Fines for taking kids out of Pembrokeshire schools to go on holiday to be introduced in September

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PEMBROKESHIRE parents who take their children off school to go on holiday could soon face fines of up to £120.

The controversial fines are due to come into force at the end of the current academic year.

Parents could have to pay £60 if they take a holiday during term time which is not authorised by their child’s school. The fine will increase to £120 if not paid within four weeks.

Pembrokeshire County Council said the penalty notice, if issued, will be for the offence of failing to secure the child’s regular attendance at school, rather than a fine per day of school missed.

The council said it is introducing the fines in accordance with Welsh Government guidance.

“In Pembrokeshire, we have taken the recommendation from the Welsh Government to maintain a consistent approach as with current recommendations to schools regarding not authorising holidays in term time,” said a spokesman.

“Penalty notices are being introduced across Wales in September 2014 as the Welsh Government has directed all local authorities to have a local code of conduct in place by the end of the academic year 2013-14.”

The council added that parents of under-fives would not be fined but that parents or carers with children of compulsory school age would be eligible for the fines.

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5:45pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Welshman23 says...

Lunatics taking over hit the people that are easy targets let the hierarchy get away with everything. Where do the fines go to the local authority or the school.
Let's start charging for the people that work for parking their cars at the Kremlin this is a benefit in kind.
Are there subsidised canteen at the Kremlin.
Lunatics taking over hit the people that are easy targets let the hierarchy get away with everything. Where do the fines go to the local authority or the school. Let's start charging for the people that work for parking their cars at the Kremlin this is a benefit in kind. Are there subsidised canteen at the Kremlin. Welshman23
  • Score: -14

6:09pm Thu 19 Jun 14

teifion says...

Praise Be for Bryn P Jones, he gives us the lowest "rates" (allegedly) in Wales then skins us for every penny in other ways - this is just tax raising - will parents get refunds if the teachers go on strike Or a sKool is closed as a snow flake was seen nr Oswestry?
Praise Be for Bryn P Jones, he gives us the lowest "rates" (allegedly) in Wales then skins us for every penny in other ways - this is just tax raising - will parents get refunds if the teachers go on strike Or a sKool is closed as a snow flake was seen nr Oswestry? teifion
  • Score: 5

6:10pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Justiceforall says...

A lot of people in Pembrokeshire cannot afford to take their children on holiday anytime of the year. Pembrokeshire County Council "SUCkS"
A lot of people in Pembrokeshire cannot afford to take their children on holiday anytime of the year. Pembrokeshire County Council "SUCkS" Justiceforall
  • Score: 5

6:18pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jamo1111 says...

its great so much cheaper to pay £60 than the £100s its cost more to go in school hoildays. plus it would be nice if the parents could fine the councel when at 9 years old there child still can read. as there is 28 kids and 1 teacher in there class . or the whole month befor christmas when thay watch dvds everyday instead of doing school work .and then the whole months of june and july thay run around a sports field doing very little work just for practicing for a 1 day race . that means nothing really .
its great so much cheaper to pay £60 than the £100s its cost more to go in school hoildays. plus it would be nice if the parents could fine the councel when at 9 years old there child still can read. as there is 28 kids and 1 teacher in there class . or the whole month befor christmas when thay watch dvds everyday instead of doing school work .and then the whole months of june and july thay run around a sports field doing very little work just for practicing for a 1 day race . that means nothing really . jamo1111
  • Score: 5

6:22pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Welshman23 says...

Interesting facts about the recent Gloucestershire police investigation regarding pension payments to the head of Carmarthenshire Council, the FOI response from the police is on this link.

http://carmarthenpla
nning.blogspot.co.uk
/2014/06/unlawful-pa
yments-police-foi-re
sponse.html
Interesting facts about the recent Gloucestershire police investigation regarding pension payments to the head of Carmarthenshire Council, the FOI response from the police is on this link. http://carmarthenpla nning.blogspot.co.uk /2014/06/unlawful-pa yments-police-foi-re sponse.html Welshman23
  • Score: -2

7:18pm Thu 19 Jun 14

sarah7776 says...

jamo1111 wrote:
its great so much cheaper to pay £60 than the £100s its cost more to go in school hoildays. plus it would be nice if the parents could fine the councel when at 9 years old there child still can read. as there is 28 kids and 1 teacher in there class . or the whole month befor christmas when thay watch dvds everyday instead of doing school work .and then the whole months of june and july thay run around a sports field doing very little work just for practicing for a 1 day race . that means nothing really .
Jamo1111, I don't know how old you are, or which school you went to way-back-when, but due to the pressure on schools to show 'value added' and high test scores, they don't get the option to show DVDs, even on the last day of term. And in response to your quote regarding '28 children and 1 teacher', all Foundation Phase (or Infant) classes have a minimum number of staff per number of pupils in the class, so all of these classes will have a teacher plus at least 1 Classroom Assistant, depending on how big the class is. I agree that it is cheaper to take your child away during term time, but there are plenty of people who work in schools, who cannot afford to take holidays away, either foreign or within Britain. The 'long summer holiday' is a double edged sword.

This is not down to PCC (for all you anti-Local-Authority people out there!) but essentially down to the greed of travel companies who cash in on the high demand for holidays during school holidays, and the decision to fine parents is, again, not down to PCC but WAG in Cardiff.
[quote][p][bold]jamo1111[/bold] wrote: its great so much cheaper to pay £60 than the £100s its cost more to go in school hoildays. plus it would be nice if the parents could fine the councel when at 9 years old there child still can read. as there is 28 kids and 1 teacher in there class . or the whole month befor christmas when thay watch dvds everyday instead of doing school work .and then the whole months of june and july thay run around a sports field doing very little work just for practicing for a 1 day race . that means nothing really .[/p][/quote]Jamo1111, I don't know how old you are, or which school you went to way-back-when, but due to the pressure on schools to show 'value added' and high test scores, they don't get the option to show DVDs, even on the last day of term. And in response to your quote regarding '28 children and 1 teacher', all Foundation Phase (or Infant) classes have a minimum number of staff per number of pupils in the class, so all of these classes will have a teacher plus at least 1 Classroom Assistant, depending on how big the class is. I agree that it is cheaper to take your child away during term time, but there are plenty of people who work in schools, who cannot afford to take holidays away, either foreign or within Britain. The 'long summer holiday' is a double edged sword. This is not down to PCC (for all you anti-Local-Authority people out there!) but essentially down to the greed of travel companies who cash in on the high demand for holidays during school holidays, and the decision to fine parents is, again, not down to PCC but WAG in Cardiff. sarah7776
  • Score: 18

7:37pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jamo1111 says...

sarah7776 wrote:
jamo1111 wrote:
its great so much cheaper to pay £60 than the £100s its cost more to go in school hoildays. plus it would be nice if the parents could fine the councel when at 9 years old there child still can read. as there is 28 kids and 1 teacher in there class . or the whole month befor christmas when thay watch dvds everyday instead of doing school work .and then the whole months of june and july thay run around a sports field doing very little work just for practicing for a 1 day race . that means nothing really .
Jamo1111, I don't know how old you are, or which school you went to way-back-when, but due to the pressure on schools to show 'value added' and high test scores, they don't get the option to show DVDs, even on the last day of term. And in response to your quote regarding '28 children and 1 teacher', all Foundation Phase (or Infant) classes have a minimum number of staff per number of pupils in the class, so all of these classes will have a teacher plus at least 1 Classroom Assistant, depending on how big the class is. I agree that it is cheaper to take your child away during term time, but there are plenty of people who work in schools, who cannot afford to take holidays away, either foreign or within Britain. The 'long summer holiday' is a double edged sword.

This is not down to PCC (for all you anti-Local-Authority people out there!) but essentially down to the greed of travel companies who cash in on the high demand for holidays during school holidays, and the decision to fine parents is, again, not down to PCC but WAG in Cardiff.
my child is in a school in pembrokeshire class 3 and everything i said was true ,there is 1 tearcher in a class of 28 kids thay do watch dvds for weeks before christmas . and i no thay dont do that much in june and july as thay do loads of sports. which is fine but i think math english is more important. i proved it wasnt my child with learning problem as i sent him for english after school lessons and he learnt to read 100% better in a few weeks . i would never let my child off school unless there was good reson. i dont think a week away with family is harmfull to a child education .
[quote][p][bold]sarah7776[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamo1111[/bold] wrote: its great so much cheaper to pay £60 than the £100s its cost more to go in school hoildays. plus it would be nice if the parents could fine the councel when at 9 years old there child still can read. as there is 28 kids and 1 teacher in there class . or the whole month befor christmas when thay watch dvds everyday instead of doing school work .and then the whole months of june and july thay run around a sports field doing very little work just for practicing for a 1 day race . that means nothing really .[/p][/quote]Jamo1111, I don't know how old you are, or which school you went to way-back-when, but due to the pressure on schools to show 'value added' and high test scores, they don't get the option to show DVDs, even on the last day of term. And in response to your quote regarding '28 children and 1 teacher', all Foundation Phase (or Infant) classes have a minimum number of staff per number of pupils in the class, so all of these classes will have a teacher plus at least 1 Classroom Assistant, depending on how big the class is. I agree that it is cheaper to take your child away during term time, but there are plenty of people who work in schools, who cannot afford to take holidays away, either foreign or within Britain. The 'long summer holiday' is a double edged sword. This is not down to PCC (for all you anti-Local-Authority people out there!) but essentially down to the greed of travel companies who cash in on the high demand for holidays during school holidays, and the decision to fine parents is, again, not down to PCC but WAG in Cardiff.[/p][/quote]my child is in a school in pembrokeshire class 3 and everything i said was true ,there is 1 tearcher in a class of 28 kids thay do watch dvds for weeks before christmas . and i no thay dont do that much in june and july as thay do loads of sports. which is fine but i think math english is more important. i proved it wasnt my child with learning problem as i sent him for english after school lessons and he learnt to read 100% better in a few weeks . i would never let my child off school unless there was good reson. i dont think a week away with family is harmfull to a child education . jamo1111
  • Score: -2

9:00pm Thu 19 Jun 14

sarah7776 says...

Jamo1111, your comment is based on the education provided in 1 school. I agree that time with the family is invaluable, and the fact that you are willing to support your child's education is brilliant, however any lost education is detrimental to their long-term potential.

If what you are saying is true then you need to put a complaint in to the Governing Body of your child's school, as the school is obviously letting the children down. In Key Stage 2 there is only a requirement for 1 teacher per class, but most schools I have experience of will have part-time classroom support during the week.

And before anyone asks - no, I am not a teacher.
Jamo1111, your comment is based on the education provided in 1 school. I agree that time with the family is invaluable, and the fact that you are willing to support your child's education is brilliant, however any lost education is detrimental to their long-term potential. If what you are saying is true then you need to put a complaint in to the Governing Body of your child's school, as the school is obviously letting the children down. In Key Stage 2 there is only a requirement for 1 teacher per class, but most schools I have experience of will have part-time classroom support during the week. And before anyone asks - no, I am not a teacher. sarah7776
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Thu 19 Jun 14

teifion says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Interesting facts about the recent Gloucestershire police investigation regarding pension payments to the head of Carmarthenshire Council, the FOI response from the police is on this link.

http://carmarthenpla

nning.blogspot.co.uk

/2014/06/unlawful-pa

yments-police-foi-re

sponse.html
amazing - actually f****** amazing that your comment is voted down, it basically says that corruptable police or at least that police who investigate corruption shouldn't ask no one nuffink! is GOOD which says a great deal about the councillors of Carms and Pembs CC, also ppl who vote here but don't comment -

May I call them S C U M who only care about their special responsibility allowance i.e pocket money and don't give a **** about the ppl they supposedly response

sorry BLUErinse but no one seems to be following the narrow wotsits of the story ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Interesting facts about the recent Gloucestershire police investigation regarding pension payments to the head of Carmarthenshire Council, the FOI response from the police is on this link. http://carmarthenpla nning.blogspot.co.uk /2014/06/unlawful-pa yments-police-foi-re sponse.html[/p][/quote]amazing - actually f****** amazing that your comment is voted down, it basically says that corruptable police or at least that police who investigate corruption shouldn't ask no one nuffink! is GOOD which says a great deal about the councillors of Carms and Pembs CC, also ppl who vote here but don't comment - May I call them S C U M who only care about their special responsibility allowance i.e pocket money and don't give a **** about the ppl they supposedly response sorry BLUErinse but no one seems to be following the narrow wotsits of the story ;-) teifion
  • Score: -9

8:29am Fri 20 Jun 14

teifion says...

sarah7776 wrote:
jamo1111 wrote:
its great so much cheaper to pay £60 than the £100s its cost more to go in school hoildays. plus it would be nice if the parents could fine the councel when at 9 years old there child still can read. as there is 28 kids and 1 teacher in there class . or the whole month befor christmas when thay watch dvds everyday instead of doing school work .and then the whole months of june and july thay run around a sports field doing very little work just for practicing for a 1 day race . that means nothing really .
Jamo1111, I don't know how old you are, or which school you went to way-back-when, but due to the pressure on schools to show 'value added' and high test scores, they don't get the option to show DVDs, even on the last day of term. And in response to your quote regarding '28 children and 1 teacher', all Foundation Phase (or Infant) classes have a minimum number of staff per number of pupils in the class, so all of these classes will have a teacher plus at least 1 Classroom Assistant, depending on how big the class is. I agree that it is cheaper to take your child away during term time, but there are plenty of people who work in schools, who cannot afford to take holidays away, either foreign or within Britain. The 'long summer holiday' is a double edged sword.

This is not down to PCC (for all you anti-Local-Authority people out there!) but essentially down to the greed of travel companies who cash in on the high demand for holidays during school holidays, and the decision to fine parents is, again, not down to PCC but WAG in Cardiff.
Higher prices during sKool holidays are unfortunately down to supply and demand, I guess you don't teach Economics then ? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]sarah7776[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamo1111[/bold] wrote: its great so much cheaper to pay £60 than the £100s its cost more to go in school hoildays. plus it would be nice if the parents could fine the councel when at 9 years old there child still can read. as there is 28 kids and 1 teacher in there class . or the whole month befor christmas when thay watch dvds everyday instead of doing school work .and then the whole months of june and july thay run around a sports field doing very little work just for practicing for a 1 day race . that means nothing really .[/p][/quote]Jamo1111, I don't know how old you are, or which school you went to way-back-when, but due to the pressure on schools to show 'value added' and high test scores, they don't get the option to show DVDs, even on the last day of term. And in response to your quote regarding '28 children and 1 teacher', all Foundation Phase (or Infant) classes have a minimum number of staff per number of pupils in the class, so all of these classes will have a teacher plus at least 1 Classroom Assistant, depending on how big the class is. I agree that it is cheaper to take your child away during term time, but there are plenty of people who work in schools, who cannot afford to take holidays away, either foreign or within Britain. The 'long summer holiday' is a double edged sword. This is not down to PCC (for all you anti-Local-Authority people out there!) but essentially down to the greed of travel companies who cash in on the high demand for holidays during school holidays, and the decision to fine parents is, again, not down to PCC but WAG in Cardiff.[/p][/quote]Higher prices during sKool holidays are unfortunately down to supply and demand, I guess you don't teach Economics then ? ;-) teifion
  • Score: -1

11:06am Fri 20 Jun 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

If there is no legal requirement to have your child educated at a school (Many people adopt a home schooling regime) how can the authority fine you for taking a child out for what ever reason? as for Sarah7776, the travel companies are not cashing in but just charging the real rate. The rest of the year the rate is discounted and often sold at a loss
If there is no legal requirement to have your child educated at a school (Many people adopt a home schooling regime) how can the authority fine you for taking a child out for what ever reason? as for Sarah7776, the travel companies are not cashing in but just charging the real rate. The rest of the year the rate is discounted and often sold at a loss JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: 5

11:14am Fri 20 Jun 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

Funny add next to this story, "declare bankruptcy in 3 easy steps" there's the answer!
Funny add next to this story, "declare bankruptcy in 3 easy steps" there's the answer! JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: -2

3:39pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Get a grip says...

Perhaps some of this money could be spent on capital letters and paragraphs.

From the comments it looks as there is a supply shortage.

Just an observation.
Perhaps some of this money could be spent on capital letters and paragraphs. From the comments it looks as there is a supply shortage. Just an observation. Get a grip
  • Score: 0

6:17pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Welshman23 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Lunatics taking over hit the people that are easy targets let the hierarchy get away with everything. Where do the fines go to the local authority or the school.
Let's start charging for the people that work for parking their cars at the Kremlin this is a benefit in kind.
Are there subsidised canteen at the Kremlin.
Will the people who have expressed their opinions have the balls to contribute. Put up or shut up.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Lunatics taking over hit the people that are easy targets let the hierarchy get away with everything. Where do the fines go to the local authority or the school. Let's start charging for the people that work for parking their cars at the Kremlin this is a benefit in kind. Are there subsidised canteen at the Kremlin.[/p][/quote]Will the people who have expressed their opinions have the balls to contribute. Put up or shut up. Welshman23
  • Score: -6

7:35pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Get a grip says...

I see I have two negative votes.

Please note the correct use of capital letters.

No charge.
I see I have two negative votes. Please note the correct use of capital letters. No charge. Get a grip
  • Score: 6

7:20am Tue 24 Jun 14

sarah7776 says...

JonnyBlueJeans wrote:
If there is no legal requirement to have your child educated at a school (Many people adopt a home schooling regime) how can the authority fine you for taking a child out for what ever reason? as for Sarah7776, the travel companies are not cashing in but just charging the real rate. The rest of the year the rate is discounted and often sold at a loss
JonnyBlueJeans, you are correct that you can home school your children, providing that you are giving them a balanced curriculum and they would achieve required qualifications at specified times, however if your child is enrolled in a school there is a legal requirement for them to attend. With regard to travel companies, they do 'cash in' during school holidays and dangle the carrot for families by offering cheaper holidays during term time, whether at a loss or not. They are, inarguably, a part of an issue that has a number of remedies that could and should be investigated.
[quote][p][bold]JonnyBlueJeans[/bold] wrote: If there is no legal requirement to have your child educated at a school (Many people adopt a home schooling regime) how can the authority fine you for taking a child out for what ever reason? as for Sarah7776, the travel companies are not cashing in but just charging the real rate. The rest of the year the rate is discounted and often sold at a loss[/p][/quote]JonnyBlueJeans, you are correct that you can home school your children, providing that you are giving them a balanced curriculum and they would achieve required qualifications at specified times, however if your child is enrolled in a school there is a legal requirement for them to attend. With regard to travel companies, they do 'cash in' during school holidays and dangle the carrot for families by offering cheaper holidays during term time, whether at a loss or not. They are, inarguably, a part of an issue that has a number of remedies that could and should be investigated. sarah7776
  • Score: -2

12:05pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Ian_snelly says...

sarah7776 wrote:
JonnyBlueJeans wrote:
If there is no legal requirement to have your child educated at a school (Many people adopt a home schooling regime) how can the authority fine you for taking a child out for what ever reason? as for Sarah7776, the travel companies are not cashing in but just charging the real rate. The rest of the year the rate is discounted and often sold at a loss
JonnyBlueJeans, you are correct that you can home school your children, providing that you are giving them a balanced curriculum and they would achieve required qualifications at specified times, however if your child is enrolled in a school there is a legal requirement for them to attend. With regard to travel companies, they do 'cash in' during school holidays and dangle the carrot for families by offering cheaper holidays during term time, whether at a loss or not. They are, inarguably, a part of an issue that has a number of remedies that could and should be investigated.
Sarah, blaming the holiday companies is I believe wrong - it's the same as fat lazy ppl blaming MacDonalds for instance for their issues.

It's never ever anyones fault, we always as a society try to find some one else too blame
[quote][p][bold]sarah7776[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JonnyBlueJeans[/bold] wrote: If there is no legal requirement to have your child educated at a school (Many people adopt a home schooling regime) how can the authority fine you for taking a child out for what ever reason? as for Sarah7776, the travel companies are not cashing in but just charging the real rate. The rest of the year the rate is discounted and often sold at a loss[/p][/quote]JonnyBlueJeans, you are correct that you can home school your children, providing that you are giving them a balanced curriculum and they would achieve required qualifications at specified times, however if your child is enrolled in a school there is a legal requirement for them to attend. With regard to travel companies, they do 'cash in' during school holidays and dangle the carrot for families by offering cheaper holidays during term time, whether at a loss or not. They are, inarguably, a part of an issue that has a number of remedies that could and should be investigated.[/p][/quote]Sarah, blaming the holiday companies is I believe wrong - it's the same as fat lazy ppl blaming MacDonalds for instance for their issues. It's never ever anyones fault, we always as a society try to find some one else too blame Ian_snelly
  • Score: 4

3:10am Wed 25 Jun 14

mikeeee says...

sarah7776 wrote:
JonnyBlueJeans wrote:
If there is no legal requirement to have your child educated at a school (Many people adopt a home schooling regime) how can the authority fine you for taking a child out for what ever reason? as for Sarah7776, the travel companies are not cashing in but just charging the real rate. The rest of the year the rate is discounted and often sold at a loss
JonnyBlueJeans, you are correct that you can home school your children, providing that you are giving them a balanced curriculum and they would achieve required qualifications at specified times, however if your child is enrolled in a school there is a legal requirement for them to attend. With regard to travel companies, they do 'cash in' during school holidays and dangle the carrot for families by offering cheaper holidays during term time, whether at a loss or not. They are, inarguably, a part of an issue that has a number of remedies that could and should be investigated.
as far as im aware there isnt any curriculum set for home tutoring its down to the parent what they want to teach the child hence home schooling
[quote][p][bold]sarah7776[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JonnyBlueJeans[/bold] wrote: If there is no legal requirement to have your child educated at a school (Many people adopt a home schooling regime) how can the authority fine you for taking a child out for what ever reason? as for Sarah7776, the travel companies are not cashing in but just charging the real rate. The rest of the year the rate is discounted and often sold at a loss[/p][/quote]JonnyBlueJeans, you are correct that you can home school your children, providing that you are giving them a balanced curriculum and they would achieve required qualifications at specified times, however if your child is enrolled in a school there is a legal requirement for them to attend. With regard to travel companies, they do 'cash in' during school holidays and dangle the carrot for families by offering cheaper holidays during term time, whether at a loss or not. They are, inarguably, a part of an issue that has a number of remedies that could and should be investigated.[/p][/quote]as far as im aware there isnt any curriculum set for home tutoring its down to the parent what they want to teach the child hence home schooling mikeeee
  • Score: 0

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