Pensioner hits out at 'exorbitant' Pembrokeshire day care charges increase

UTTERLY DISGUSTED: 89-year-old Sylvia Fewery, pictured here with her daughter Jackie Williamson, said she was

UTTERLY DISGUSTED: 89-year-old Sylvia Fewery, pictured here with her daughter Jackie Williamson, said she was "disgusted" at 500% hikes in day care charges. PIC: Western Telegraph

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PEMBROKESHIRE County Council’s plans to increase the cost of day care by more than 400% have been condemned as exorbitant and ageist by an 89-year-old Pembrokeshire resident.

From the beginning of next month the council is increasing the cost for elderly and disabled adults attending day care services from £4.60 to £16.50 a day. From April 1 next year the cost will further increase to £23.70.

Sylvia Fewery, has been going to the Wintern Day Centre for the last four years. For the 89-year-old, who lives on her own and is unable to get out independently, the centre has become a lifeline. She has started domino and card clubs and enjoys companionship, care and entertainment as well as a hot meal and transport to and from the centre.

“When I go to the day centre I’m a person again,” she said. “It’s the companionship and it’s something to look forward to.

“The staff there are wonderful. They really do everything for you.”

The council have asked Mrs Fewery to complete a means form to see if she is eligible for a discounted daily fee. However this is something she is not prepared to do, saying it is her own private business. Her family say that many others also refused to disclose their finances during the council’s consultation process and are questioning its validity.

Mrs Fewery says she is not prepared to pay such a massively increased daily fee.

“I feel that leap was far too much,” she said. “I’m utterly disgusted by the increase. If I had all the money in the world I wouldn’t pay it. It’s the principle “I feel that they are getting at old people. It’s people like me that don’t have a voice they are getting at.”

Mrs Fewery’s daughter Jackie is her mother’s carer and fears there will be a knock on effect for carers.

"Without the Wintern Centre, my mother will spend those two days, which she currently enjoys very much, sitting at home on her own with no-one to talk to," she said. "I am very concerned that when she stops going to the Wintern Centre she will become extremely isolated and totally dependent on me for her social life.

“When she’s at the Wintern Centre those two days a week I know she’s being collected and cared for and brought home again. I know she is having a lovely time.”

A spokesman for Pembrokeshire County Council said that as a result of the reduction in funding by the Welsh Government, the county cCouncil is required to deliver significant efficiency savings over the next three years.

"In the case of charging for day care services, these have been historically delivered free of charge in Pembrokeshire despite local authorities in Wales being able to charge for these services since April 2004.

To continue to provide day care services the council is seeking to recover the actual cost of providing the service. Cabinet however agreed to a phased introduction of these charges i.e. £16.50 from the 1st September 2014 and £23.70 from 1st April 2015.

"However, before any charges are made, all customers will be invited to apply for a financial test of resources to assess their ability to pay.

"Low income households without savings would not be expected to incur charges. In addition the maximum that a customer can be charged for non-residential social services e.g. home care and day care fees, is capped to a maximum of £55 weekly.

"The Council’s scheme for this financial year also provides an additional income protection of £12.50 weekly in excess of the Welsh Government’s prescribed scheme."

Editor's note: This article has been edited to reflect that while the rate from April will be five times what it is now, the rise is 400%.

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12:28pm Wed 13 Aug 14

MrAphid says...

'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.
'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent. MrAphid
  • Score: -9

3:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

It is absolutely disgusting what our council is doing. They are cutting services and jobs right left and centre and increasing the cost of other services whilst they award themselves pay rises on top of their already staggeringly high salaries and benefits. Apparently our council has to save £20 million over the next 3 years, yet they award themselves pay rises and approve the CEO's perk of an extra £20,500 per year car allowance and his new £89,500 council car, which the arrogant SOB had the audacity to go out and buy a Porsche of all cars and then loan it to his young son to drive around in. To top it all off our councillors even approved to pay for his son's incredibly high car insurance in the form of a family car insurance policy.

Many are calling it corruption, others are calling it abuse of power, whatever it is in my view it is simply greed and the mismanagement of council tax money. We need to STOP THESE PEOPLE NOW before they do even more damage to our county and vulnerable residents.

Help end the corruption in PCC by signing the petition and sending it to all your friends. 2507 Pembrokeshire people have so far signed, lets get it past the 3000 mark, Facebook and Twitter the link to all your family and friends : https://you.38degree
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It is absolutely disgusting what our council is doing. They are cutting services and jobs right left and centre and increasing the cost of other services whilst they award themselves pay rises on top of their already staggeringly high salaries and benefits. Apparently our council has to save £20 million over the next 3 years, yet they award themselves pay rises and approve the CEO's perk of an extra £20,500 per year car allowance and his new £89,500 council car, which the arrogant SOB had the audacity to go out and buy a Porsche of all cars and then loan it to his young son to drive around in. To top it all off our councillors even approved to pay for his son's incredibly high car insurance in the form of a family car insurance policy. Many are calling it corruption, others are calling it abuse of power, whatever it is in my view it is simply greed and the mismanagement of council tax money. We need to STOP THESE PEOPLE NOW before they do even more damage to our county and vulnerable residents. Help end the corruption in PCC by signing the petition and sending it to all your friends. 2507 Pembrokeshire people have so far signed, lets get it past the 3000 mark, Facebook and Twitter the link to all your family and friends : https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/e nd-corruption-in-pem brokeshire-county-co uncil Bilbo101
  • Score: 14

6:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Does Bryn get free petrol for his car as part of his package?
Does that mean we're paying for Bryn junior to get to work or does he pay that himself - I'm sure whatever the answer is Jamie will still insist it's only a very small amount of money in the great scheme of things and If we didn't do this Bryn would lave to get a much more highly paid job with err .... um ... someone
Does Bryn get free petrol for his car as part of his package? Does that mean we're paying for Bryn junior to get to work or does he pay that himself - I'm sure whatever the answer is Jamie will still insist it's only a very small amount of money in the great scheme of things and If we didn't do this Bryn would lave to get a much more highly paid job with err .... um ... someone Tttoommy
  • Score: -1

7:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

MrAphid wrote:
'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.
they are exhorbitent these centres are a lifeline, the savings to be made should be removal of all the highly paid officers at the ce ouncil, and the money accumulated used for social services.
[quote][p][bold]MrAphid[/bold] wrote: 'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.[/p][/quote]they are exhorbitent these centres are a lifeline, the savings to be made should be removal of all the highly paid officers at the ce ouncil, and the money accumulated used for social services. seaveiw
  • Score: -2

9:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

MrAphid wrote:
'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.
All you people that have voted this down have the backbone to put your views then I might understand until then your comments are worthless and pointless.
[quote][p][bold]MrAphid[/bold] wrote: 'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.[/p][/quote]All you people that have voted this down have the backbone to put your views then I might understand until then your comments are worthless and pointless. Welshman23
  • Score: -4

9:39pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

If you have a relative using these day centres, please help them by getting involved with the various blogs that are available. You must complain and it's easier to complain must authorities use e mail.
If you have a relative using these day centres, please help them by getting involved with the various blogs that are available. You must complain and it's easier to complain must authorities use e mail. Welshman23
  • Score: -1

8:44am Thu 14 Aug 14

Andrew Lye says...

The Council is having to make very difficult decisions because of the financial settlement from the Welsh Assembly.
It does seem that the answer does lie in the lady's hands. She could fill in the forms to see if she can get it for a discounted rate.
She has chosen not to.
She has made her decision not to, so I do not really understand why this is a story. If she doesn't have the savings/income, I can only assume she can afford the higher rate.
We are living in VERY tough times. I respect her decision not to apply for the reduced rate, but £4.60 for a day at the Day Centre does seem incredibly cheap.
The Council is having to make very difficult decisions because of the financial settlement from the Welsh Assembly. It does seem that the answer does lie in the lady's hands. She could fill in the forms to see if she can get it for a discounted rate. She has chosen not to. She has made her decision not to, so I do not really understand why this is a story. If she doesn't have the savings/income, I can only assume she can afford the higher rate. We are living in VERY tough times. I respect her decision not to apply for the reduced rate, but £4.60 for a day at the Day Centre does seem incredibly cheap. Andrew Lye
  • Score: 2

9:11am Thu 14 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Welshman23 wrote:
MrAphid wrote:
'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.
All you people that have voted this down have the backbone to put your views then I might understand until then your comments are worthless and pointless.
I think the comment,s voted down as it's pretty pedantic and petty - the rest of us are discussing the principle whilst you're doing "sums"

Does that sound harsh?
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrAphid[/bold] wrote: 'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.[/p][/quote]All you people that have voted this down have the backbone to put your views then I might understand until then your comments are worthless and pointless.[/p][/quote]I think the comment,s voted down as it's pretty pedantic and petty - the rest of us are discussing the principle whilst you're doing "sums" Does that sound harsh? Tttoommy
  • Score: -6

9:43am Thu 14 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

seaveiw wrote:
MrAphid wrote:
'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.
they are exhorbitent these centres are a lifeline, the savings to be made should be removal of all the highly paid officers at the ce ouncil, and the money accumulated used for social services.
i am appalled at the number of minus votes to any critisisms of the council. we all know cuts have to be made. P.C.C. shoild have thought more carefully before rushing into maling decision,instead of grabbing all they could in allowances etc. and agreeing to allowing the chief executive to spend money on a whim. They new the cuts were coming and should have been more prudent with expenditure over the past few years, a freeze on salaries and expenses would have helped to continue providing social and public services. I EXPECT TO SEE MINUS VOTES ON THESE COMMENTS,the truth hurts.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrAphid[/bold] wrote: 'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.[/p][/quote]they are exhorbitent these centres are a lifeline, the savings to be made should be removal of all the highly paid officers at the ce ouncil, and the money accumulated used for social services.[/p][/quote]i am appalled at the number of minus votes to any critisisms of the council. we all know cuts have to be made. P.C.C. shoild have thought more carefully before rushing into maling decision,instead of grabbing all they could in allowances etc. and agreeing to allowing the chief executive to spend money on a whim. They new the cuts were coming and should have been more prudent with expenditure over the past few years, a freeze on salaries and expenses would have helped to continue providing social and public services. I EXPECT TO SEE MINUS VOTES ON THESE COMMENTS,the truth hurts. seaveiw
  • Score: -7

9:56am Thu 14 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Andrew Lye wrote:
The Council is having to make very difficult decisions because of the financial settlement from the Welsh Assembly.
It does seem that the answer does lie in the lady's hands. She could fill in the forms to see if she can get it for a discounted rate.
She has chosen not to.
She has made her decision not to, so I do not really understand why this is a story. If she doesn't have the savings/income, I can only assume she can afford the higher rate.
We are living in VERY tough times. I respect her decision not to apply for the reduced rate, but £4.60 for a day at the Day Centre does seem incredibly cheap.
Who are you sounds to me you are working fot those who were responsible for making the decision, a small increase may be acceptable, these people need the day centre,we know times are TOUGH no one thought about that on council when they gave themselves this a rise in their allowances, or gave one of the go ahead to purchase a very expensive car,This authority is lick a tin pot republic, public money is and has been sqaundered for many years.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew Lye[/bold] wrote: The Council is having to make very difficult decisions because of the financial settlement from the Welsh Assembly. It does seem that the answer does lie in the lady's hands. She could fill in the forms to see if she can get it for a discounted rate. She has chosen not to. She has made her decision not to, so I do not really understand why this is a story. If she doesn't have the savings/income, I can only assume she can afford the higher rate. We are living in VERY tough times. I respect her decision not to apply for the reduced rate, but £4.60 for a day at the Day Centre does seem incredibly cheap.[/p][/quote]Who are you sounds to me you are working fot those who were responsible for making the decision, a small increase may be acceptable, these people need the day centre,we know times are TOUGH no one thought about that on council when they gave themselves this a rise in their allowances, or gave one of the go ahead to purchase a very expensive car,This authority is lick a tin pot republic, public money is and has been sqaundered for many years. seaveiw
  • Score: -2

11:45am Thu 14 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Cabinet determined to recommend the increase and introduction of new Adult Service charges on the basis of full cost recovery. It was advised that an £800,000p.a. "saving" would accrue to the Council by putting charges , or the cost to users up. This "saving was built into the 2014/15 Budget.
In the event the Adult Services O&S Committee considered that the day care charges as proposed by Cabinet should be reduced.
In its turn Cabinet decided that an increased charge should be introduced.
The Council is not legally obliged to recover its costs in providing these services, and in the Judicial review of Care Home fees, it was found that the Council's overall financial situation could not be the only relevant consideration.
The original fee setting at full cost recovery, the subsequent proposed reduced fees by O&S and the final compromise Cabinet decision have not been set on the grounds of any reasoned argument or consideration. All these rates have been "plucked out of the air".

The councils 2014/15 budget is in deficit due to the shortfall of income due to delay in implementation and the setting of charges below full cost recovery. The estimated deficit has not been quantified.
Cabinet determined to recommend the increase and introduction of new Adult Service charges on the basis of full cost recovery. It was advised that an £800,000p.a. "saving" would accrue to the Council by putting charges , or the cost to users up. This "saving was built into the 2014/15 Budget. In the event the Adult Services O&S Committee considered that the day care charges as proposed by Cabinet should be reduced. In its turn Cabinet decided that an increased charge should be introduced. The Council is not legally obliged to recover its costs in providing these services, and in the Judicial review of Care Home fees, it was found that the Council's overall financial situation could not be the only relevant consideration. The original fee setting at full cost recovery, the subsequent proposed reduced fees by O&S and the final compromise Cabinet decision have not been set on the grounds of any reasoned argument or consideration. All these rates have been "plucked out of the air". The councils 2014/15 budget is in deficit due to the shortfall of income due to delay in implementation and the setting of charges below full cost recovery. The estimated deficit has not been quantified. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: -6

11:58am Thu 14 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

seaveiw wrote:
Andrew Lye wrote:
The Council is having to make very difficult decisions because of the financial settlement from the Welsh Assembly.
It does seem that the answer does lie in the lady's hands. She could fill in the forms to see if she can get it for a discounted rate.
She has chosen not to.
She has made her decision not to, so I do not really understand why this is a story. If she doesn't have the savings/income, I can only assume she can afford the higher rate.
We are living in VERY tough times. I respect her decision not to apply for the reduced rate, but £4.60 for a day at the Day Centre does seem incredibly cheap.
Who are you sounds to me you are working fot those who were responsible for making the decision, a small increase may be acceptable, these people need the day centre,we know times are TOUGH no one thought about that on council when they gave themselves this a rise in their allowances, or gave one of the go ahead to purchase a very expensive car,This authority is lick a tin pot republic, public money is and has been sqaundered for many years.
Hi Seaview, No Andrew Lye does not work for the council but his chosen profession is that of debt collector, which figures. He makes his money from banging on doors and putting pressure on those in financial hardship who have fallen behind on their repayments, says a lot about the type of person and ethics that he has and is in my view reflected in his comments. Interestingly I have seen a lot of posts by Andrew on a range of forums but I have not seen one post in support of the campaign to end corruption in County Hall. I think I know which side of the fence he sits on.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew Lye[/bold] wrote: The Council is having to make very difficult decisions because of the financial settlement from the Welsh Assembly. It does seem that the answer does lie in the lady's hands. She could fill in the forms to see if she can get it for a discounted rate. She has chosen not to. She has made her decision not to, so I do not really understand why this is a story. If she doesn't have the savings/income, I can only assume she can afford the higher rate. We are living in VERY tough times. I respect her decision not to apply for the reduced rate, but £4.60 for a day at the Day Centre does seem incredibly cheap.[/p][/quote]Who are you sounds to me you are working fot those who were responsible for making the decision, a small increase may be acceptable, these people need the day centre,we know times are TOUGH no one thought about that on council when they gave themselves this a rise in their allowances, or gave one of the go ahead to purchase a very expensive car,This authority is lick a tin pot republic, public money is and has been sqaundered for many years.[/p][/quote]Hi Seaview, No Andrew Lye does not work for the council but his chosen profession is that of debt collector, which figures. He makes his money from banging on doors and putting pressure on those in financial hardship who have fallen behind on their repayments, says a lot about the type of person and ethics that he has and is in my view reflected in his comments. Interestingly I have seen a lot of posts by Andrew on a range of forums but I have not seen one post in support of the campaign to end corruption in County Hall. I think I know which side of the fence he sits on. Bilbo101
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

MrAphid says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
MrAphid wrote:
'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.
All you people that have voted this down have the backbone to put your views then I might understand until then your comments are worthless and pointless.
I think the comment,s voted down as it's pretty pedantic and petty - the rest of us are discussing the principle whilst you're doing "sums"

Does that sound harsh?
You might find it 'pedantic and petty'. I don't. The point is that the Western Telegraph has a duty to report the facts accurately. Does that sound harsh?
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrAphid[/bold] wrote: 'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.[/p][/quote]All you people that have voted this down have the backbone to put your views then I might understand until then your comments are worthless and pointless.[/p][/quote]I think the comment,s voted down as it's pretty pedantic and petty - the rest of us are discussing the principle whilst you're doing "sums" Does that sound harsh?[/p][/quote]You might find it 'pedantic and petty'. I don't. The point is that the Western Telegraph has a duty to report the facts accurately. Does that sound harsh? MrAphid
  • Score: -1

11:02pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

aphid? green fly alert!
aphid? green fly alert! Tttoommy
  • Score: -2

11:42pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
aphid? green fly alert!
Give the guy a break, he only corrected a miscalculation in the article which the WT acknowledged and updated the story. MrAphid appears to be a new contributor and we don't want to be putting off new people by giving them a rough ride, so be nice MrTttoomy please :-)
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: aphid? green fly alert![/p][/quote]Give the guy a break, he only corrected a miscalculation in the article which the WT acknowledged and updated the story. MrAphid appears to be a new contributor and we don't want to be putting off new people by giving them a rough ride, so be nice MrTttoomy please :-) Bilbo101
  • Score: 2

10:02am Fri 15 Aug 14

Gogledd says...

Welshman23 wrote:
MrAphid wrote:
'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.
All you people that have voted this down have the backbone to put your views then I might understand until then your comments are worthless and pointless.
Yes,I find it interesting that some people are voting it down. I would like to know who too. I think its some sad person with nothing else better to do.

I also think that this price rise is rediculous. I am just amazed at this massive price hike and I just cannot see how it can be justified. I suppose the answer will be on cost. It would be interesting to know how much other councils in Wales charge for similar services.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrAphid[/bold] wrote: 'Exorbitant' the increases might or might not be, but they are not more than 500 per cent. The new rate for September increases the current rate by 258 per cent; the full rate from April 2015 increases the current rate of £4.60 by around 400 per cent, not 500 per cent.[/p][/quote]All you people that have voted this down have the backbone to put your views then I might understand until then your comments are worthless and pointless.[/p][/quote]Yes,I find it interesting that some people are voting it down. I would like to know who too. I think its some sad person with nothing else better to do. I also think that this price rise is rediculous. I am just amazed at this massive price hike and I just cannot see how it can be justified. I suppose the answer will be on cost. It would be interesting to know how much other councils in Wales charge for similar services. Gogledd
  • Score: -1

6:06pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Tttoommy wrote:
aphid? green fly alert!
Give the guy a break, he only corrected a miscalculation in the article which the WT acknowledged and updated the story. MrAphid appears to be a new contributor and we don't want to be putting off new people by giving them a rough ride, so be nice MrTttoomy please :-)
You're quite right.

pedantry is one of my pet hates so sorry
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: aphid? green fly alert![/p][/quote]Give the guy a break, he only corrected a miscalculation in the article which the WT acknowledged and updated the story. MrAphid appears to be a new contributor and we don't want to be putting off new people by giving them a rough ride, so be nice MrTttoomy please :-)[/p][/quote]You're quite right. pedantry is one of my pet hates so sorry Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

11:02am Mon 18 Aug 14

Rockface says...

For older people get in touch with Age Cymru Pembrokeshire 01457 767992
For older people get in touch with Age Cymru Pembrokeshire 01457 767992 Rockface
  • Score: 1

11:04am Mon 18 Aug 14

Rockface says...

Rockface wrote:
For older people get in touch with Age Cymru Pembrokeshire 01457 767992
Sorry the number is 01437 767992
[quote][p][bold]Rockface[/bold] wrote: For older people get in touch with Age Cymru Pembrokeshire 01457 767992[/p][/quote]Sorry the number is 01437 767992 Rockface
  • Score: 1

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