Mr Malcolm Calver is nothing but a downright liar. He has not in any shape or form kept the Community council aware of any of the proposed developments both on this estate or our sister estate on Wheelers Way/Windy ridge.
I have attended most Community Council meetings over the last few years and never once has this Councillor uttered a word about the sale of the land or the intended developments. I challenge Councillor Calver to prove the truth at the next community council meeting if he decides to show up, he has missed quit a few in recent months.
If the Councillor is so concerned about the shortage of affordable housing then perhaps he may like to rent out the holiday properties he and his family own as they are only occupied 10 weeks of the year, at an affordable rent of course, and help to reduce the shortfall in affordable housing.
I agree there is a need for more affordable housing, but Skrinkle has more than its fair share of social housing, there are other suitable sites in the Councillors ward but perhaps being a developer he would prefer to save these for more lucrative housing developments where his services may be required, and as he once told me and others “to hell with the people of Skrinkle they create their own problems”.
Nice to know how our elected member feels about his electorate.

It's most gratifying to see Cllr Malcolm Calver's real concerns regarding the serious shortage of housing in his ward, if he is so genuinely concerned about this problem perhaps then he should consider making available the multiply holiday homes that Cllr Calver and his family own in and around the Manorbier area. Surly he has a real opportunity to help the the very people he so concerned about, I would suggest that instead letting his holiday homes to visitor's for short periods of the summer and then leaving these homes standing empty for the rest of the year it would be more socially and morally acceptable to rent his property's at affordable rents to the local people of the ward he represents - or better still he might even consider selling these holiday homes to local people at affordable prices, in fact it might help Cllr Calver if I were to remind him what he said in his own letter "Elected representatives have to make decision's based on the good of the community as a whole"
Cllr Tony Wales

How strange, how odd. I have just read a reply to the above comments to Councillor Calver’s letter, but not on this website as one would expect, but on a blog which can be found via the google blog search engine, just type in manorbier in the search bar, sort by date and up comes the reply by the manorbier junta which starts making personal attacks on the writers of the above comments. Of course most of it is pure fiction just as the comments on manorbier.com, County Councillor Calver’s personal website, but when you read the manorbier blog, one can see the startling resemblances to the author of manorbier.com. ie Councillor Calver. Far be it from me to suggest County Councillor Calver would stoop so low and get so personal, as he so often has in the past, but, well, knowing what a fine upstanding member of our community he purports to be, surely he wouldn’t tell lies and get personal would he? If he is so well respected, (his opinion of himself, not mine) why would members of St Florence Community Council advocate to the Community not to believe what you read on manorbier.com.
Of course if Councillor Calver stuck to facts and not fantasy, then perhaps people might take him seriously, but then if he did that, he would have to write nasty things about himself wouldn’t he. Bet you have this removed on Monday Councillor Calver or are you going to threaten to sue the telegraph again.

You are a sad man Cochrane.
Anything and everything that you disagree with, you blame others for.
The article which Cochrane refers to is here -
http://www.themanorb
ierjunta.blogspot.co
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You really do need to get a life. You get so wrapped up in your own meaningless little life, that you spend your days chasing your tail, wondering how you can get at someone, which turns out to be mostly Calver.
You have such a big chip on your shoulder. It is no-one else's fault that you have nothing today, but you constantly look for someone to blame. Stop looking, you are your own worst enemy and you have no-one to blame except yourself.
If you spent as much time and energy trying to make your life better as you do trawling the internet and writing nonsense, perhaps you wouldn't be such a bum. Pull yourself together and stop relying on free state handouts.
There's a world out there. Go and see some of it. Then perhaps you will understand that all the nonsense and pettiness that you thrive on at the moment is really so insignificant on the grand scale of things, that you are just wasting your life.
One foot in the grave Cochrane, don't make it two before you have enjoyed a taste of real life outside of Manorbier.
Stop being a loser, get a life.

Not wishing to feed oxygen into the private wars that now, and sadly, seem typical of their area, the debate on accommodation has a broader impact upon us all. Events resulting from a letter in the Telegraph and consequential comments given here have raised some points of interest for the tourism sector which would seem to be unacceptable to those in that industry. Since they come from an aspiring and politically motivate labour man, or men, it makes one ask just what is their policy on land use for affordable housing and why do their expressed views contradict the Welsh Assembly Governmental edict and the National Westminster Governments declared policy.


The JUDP was discussed by our town council some six, or seven, years ago. The plans can now be seen on the Pembrokeshire County Council website. There is a national housing shortage and Wales has problems as well. As areas under the JUDP were designated for building the two planning authorities here can only allow development in those specified areas. Councillor Calver raises a good point in saying that additional areas should now be considered over and above the present allocations such are the pressures on providing homes. This aspect was cut from the original letter by the editorial staff but the original can however be seen on the website manorbier.com

To say the holiday industry, for that's what it is, should be sold off or rented at affordable rents would mean disaster for Pembrokeshire. Tourism is now a major element in the viability of the area, it provides work, incomes and helps pay the ever increasing labour tax burdens. So because of the present restraints on available land in their area the comments are, (1) we never knew about it and, (2) sell off your property or rent out at affordable rents.

Now as labour luvies they have to be aware of the Westminster Government, labour, have requested all councils who hold land to release it for affordable housing. They will also appreciate that the Wales Assembly Government, also labour, have echoed this policy and instructed councils in Wales to release land that is owned by councils for affordable housing. Yet here we see the selective labourites, or pick which policy you like as long as it don't effect me chums, going against there own party's policy. Maybe our local MP has something to say as one local labour chairman is marching out of step.

Tourism brings in princely sums and the accommodation aspects mean that community charges are paid, the services of , water, gas, electricity, and sewage are all also paid for. Accommodation maintenance gives rise to other service sector employment and it is essential to keep properties up to acceptable standards within the tourist sector. This is not a burden on the tax payer but a contributing enterprise. Perhaps the comments made reflect some other motive not related to the housing needs or even to their own party policy.

There has been no element of surprise in the statements made as the JUDP plans have been drawn up for many years and designated council owned land for potential development clearly shown. Being in the town environment we have little precious land available but in the area represented by Councillor Calver it is rural and ripe for additional build and the pressure to do so will not be going away.

What next? Hotels for the homeless!. Caravans for the social dependants!. Just what do these two armchair experts, Wales & Cochrane, get from all this complaining? What has been their contribution? What is their true reason for their attack? Sometimes the truth hurts. So now I ask, what do these two saints, who comment so freely, do for a living apart from complaining? How do they get an income? How do they pay for their taxes? Maybe they offer their accommodation out at low rentals but I very much doubt it. Do they have some other business in mind or do they really believe that events at community councils are so so important when all major planning decisions are made elsewhere by experts. Do they have some other reasons for this onslaught on their county councillor? Whatever it may be please let the tourism industry alone for without it Pembrokeshire would be worse off.

In reply to the comment above by Manorbier Junta, you call me sad, yet I use my own name here, you dont! how sad is that? Why dont you use yours? Why do you have to hide your identity, is it because of all the lies, inuendo and being so economical with the truth that you are frightened to use your real name?
In the blog you wrote, you stated Councillor Calver is the only truly elected independant Councillor on Pembrokeshire County Council, I always thought that title should and does belong to no other than Old Grumpy, Mike Stoddart, a man who does speak words of wisdom and sticks to the truth. Unlike Manorbier County Councillor Calver who lies about everything and everyone to suit his own ends and always blames others for his own shortcomings. He has lied about me on more occassions than I care to remember. Sure he slings mud at me and some sticks, but if you back down to a bully then you will become a sad and frightened person.
Manorbier Junta states I am a Labour Party activist, Wrong, check with the Labour party I never attended a meeting yet, but I did meet Nic Ainger once and a thoughly nice chap he was. Junta goes on in his blog and in the letter above that I do nothing and live on handouts, news to me, you cant go to Portugal 3 times a year on handouts! (or can you)
Enough about me, lets get back to Councillor Calvers letter which is what we are here for, He stated he has kept the Community Council fully informed about the proposed developments, I challenge him to reply under his own name (or as is his normal ploy get someone to do his dirty work for him) and state when he became aware of and informed the Manorbier Community Council of the impending developments and the proposed sale of land by the Council. Unfortuneately the Councillor wont reply because he never has informed the Council.
For the benefit of the Western Telegraph editorial team I unlike Councillor Calver will not be threatening to sue you for my name being abused here by Manorbier Junta its not your fault, but I would like to add that Councillor Calver has (in addition to threatening to sue your paper,) threatened to sue at least 4 members of the Manorbier Community (including Tony Wales) because he does not like it when they tell the truth about him. Funnily enough, like most of his statements they are just hot air and rubbish.
Have a nice day Malcolm and the Manorbier Junta, whoever you are!

In reply to Helen (sorry you did not put your surname to your comment perhaps you wish not to identify yourself) you seemed to have formed an opinion that I am against the tourism industry, well let me put the record straight for you and others who might doubt my position on tourism.
I firmly support the tourist industry in Pembrokeshire and have always done so, however I do find it quite galling when somebody like Cllr Malcolm Calver who owns multiple housing accommodation in and around the ward that he represents and then begins to lecture others such as the residents of Skrinkle estate in Manorbier for the need to cram more housing into their backyards, without at least having the courtesy of first informing the very people that he purports to represent.
I do however recognize the need for affordable housing albeit for rent or purchase, its a problem where-ever you are in Pembrokeshire and Wales and beyond. The problem of affordable housing is not new, it was a problem when I first came to Pembrokeshire over 35 years ago. I have personally experienced the problem of my own children who were born and brought up in Pembrokeshire wanting to purchase affordable housing, so I do have some experience in this area. However I do recognize their are some very challenging times ahead regarding affordable housing in Pembrokeshire. Helen, if you really want to discuss this with me in depth please feel free to telephone me at any time you will find my number in the local telephone directory.
regards,
Cllr Tony Wales

Having now spoken to my Mother, she informs me that in your area the problem is lack of designated areas for housing. She also says that within the contentious area some additional build has already been made since she remembers the 'Camp' as it was with the segregated Officers quarters and the other ranks housing forming the majority of the houses. Development from the 1930's included the present housing stock and the wooden huts have been gone now for many years following the decline of activities at Manorbier.

As the Pembrokeshire County Council now owns the ex WD/MOD residual land sites of the estate it might be incumbent on them to supply it for housing development through a housing association. That would be consistent with the now established labour government policy which all councils are having to follow.

Mr Wales appears to support a Party but not their objectives on housing. If he considers the housing density in Skrinkle to be 'packed in' he should see some other areas of the County.

Maybe he would care to the supply details of the areas where addition building could be undertaken in his patch . Perhaps he lives in a large house with plenty of land and would offer some of it for additional housing. Such good intentions might not be what he has in mind, being so close to home. But assuming he did, he would be blocked from doing so, as the area is not designated for development under the JUDP. That is the problem but planning is vested with others not he.

Given his unusual approach to enterprise, dictum on tourism and suggestions of not knowing of the potential for additional development, it would seem that he was unaware of the impact of the JUDP on his area he purports to represent. Although the general housing policy is known it is only when a planning application is made for development on the proposed land does it become public knowledge. With the designated areas having been included in the JUDP it should have been no surprise to any informed person.

Mr Wales is right on one thing - Helen remains anonymous as it could impact on my employment.

Skrinkle already has its fair share of social housing if there is apparently no other land in Calvers patch does this mean that he wants all building for social housing to be squueezed in on Skrinkle turning it into a mini Mount estate and the inherant problems that go with it.
Skrinkle has a good balance at the moment with few problems, Cramming all the social housing into one place will generate more problems than it will solve. Why has there been no consultation with tenants on these developments as per Pembrokeshire County Council policy, perhaps our Councillor will enlighten us.

Yes Helen, I thought you might remain anonymous, Cllr Calver's supporters never put their names to anything in print a bit like Cllr Calver who hasn't got the courage either. Poor excuse Helen about the impact on your employment, however my offer is still open to you Helen - that's of course if you are a Helen or perhaps you're somebody else?
regards,
Cllr Tony Wales

I agree there is a problem with the shortage of affordable housing , but that doesnt make it right to cram all the people into one tiny estate, that is how ghettos are produced and how problems of unsociable behaviour arise. The planners, the National Assembly and the Government do need to tackle it but dont place all your eggs in one basket in Skrinkle or it could have repurcussions later.
John. Local Government Officer. Pembrokeshire

I have read the above comments and I am appalled that Helen who obviously doesnt know the area should preach to the people of Skrinkle. I find it hard to believe that a person who has to phone her mother to find out about the area should make suggestions and comment on the subject. Maybe Mr Wales is right Councillor Calvers followers do not want to reveal their true identity.
Let the residents of Skrinkle make there own decisions and be consulted on the issue, it is their right, but before that can be done they have to be informed of what has and is going on, something that apparently Pembrokeshire County Council and the local representative has failed to do.

Well now Mr Wales

- My family ran a Hotel in Tenby for some years.
- I happen to work for a large employer in the County, in the Public Sector.
- I'm not a supporter of, or know, this councillor Calver you seem to be so concerned about.
- I do wish to remain anonymous and that should not prevent me from having a view point.
- I have no desire to supply "the Oxygen" to your private wars.
- From you replies I have no desire to meet with you or discuss this or any other topic.
- I do think the people of Skrinkle should have their say, be listened to and their views fully taken into consideration. I have never said otherwise.
- The situation is interesting as the PCC landowners can sell the land and the new owners will need to get planning approval from the PCNP authority. The latter welcomes local views and allows them to be voiced at their Planning Meetings. So there is an opportunity for local views to be taken on board.
- However I still remain convinced that you are out of step with my Party's policy.
- I don't wish for anything further on the matter but do offer thanks to the WT for their Comments System which has allowed ventilation of the important issue of the need for additional build for homes.
- Love, Light and Peace

How's making things up now then Cochrane. You said: "Junta goes on in his blog and in the letter above that I do nothing and live on handouts, news to me, you cant go to Portugal 3 times a year on handouts! (or can you)" Ellie reliably informs me that your mother pays because you can't afford to. Go on, call your own Sister a liar... Didn't you ask for a grant or handout from Calver in one of your blogs to go to Portugal?
Why the fascination with Portugal? When were you there last?
You are a very sick man Cochrane.

Really Mr Junta, just like Mr Calver you have difficulty in sticking to the facts. This comments page is here for people to respond to Councillor Calvers Letter not read the fairytale you keep coming up with, people are not inyterested in that.
If Councillor Calver puts in print what are without doubt a pack of lies then he should expect people to correct him. As at least 5 Community Councillors have never heard of Mr Calver keeping them informed of the new developments on Skrinkle and neither have I, then the odds are that is it Mr Calver lieing and making things up.
Now you Mr Junta are just trying to sidetrack everyone to take the heat off Calver by making personal attacks on me and my family to try to muddy the waters, just like Mr Calver does at the Community Council meetings. But then, you, you silly billy, dont use your real name, so nobody gives you credence anyway, and then, giggle giggle, you call me sad. How can I be sad when we have jokers like you keeping everyone laughing.
No Mr Junta and/or Mr Calver, it is you who makes things up. If you decide to reply again, perhaps you will reply in a positive manner, sticking to the facts regarding Mr Calvers letter and try to defend Mr Calver because he really is backpeddling on this with nowhere to go! He really does need help! My friends in County Hall are watching these pages with baited breath waiting for the Great Man himself to put in an appearance, after all, it was the Councillors composition which provoked all this response. This is the same Councillor who claims to have "sorted" County Hall out and decided to go and sort out the assembly, bless him, sadly he failed miserably and we still have to put up with him here. Surely he can sort out this argument once and for all. Did he lie? yes!!!
Be a good boy Mr Junta, print the dates (plural)that Mr Calver claims to have kept the Community Council informed and try to be a brave little man and use your real name. Its easy if you have nothing to hide!
Night night, sleep tight, hope the bed bugs dont bite!
C.Cochrane. Manorbier.

Looks like you're amusing people now Cochrane. This was the one that tickled me: "My friends in County Hall are watching these pages with baited breath..." . What friends? The only friends you have in high places are your playmates in your attic on your computer screen.
Going back to the time you ran the Glyder pub in Manorbier, you didn't even have friends then, your ex-wife certainly did though. Poor chap you walloped with that pool cue, from behind so that he didn't see you coming. What was it he was doing behind your back? He shouldn't have been a farmer, he should have been a plumber, he certainly gave that old boiler a good servicing.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Cochrane. I know you of old, I used to drink in the Glyder, I wouldn't want to raise a glass with you now, that's for sure.
You are a sad man with sad habits.

Junta, your a bloody disgrace man !!!

i know nothing of Chas Cochrane, but what you have written is bloody disgusting ! you should at least have the spine to actually name yourself so this man can meet you face to face.

I feel so sorry to the residents of Manorbier, having to put up with people such as yourselves. This web site is read by thousands of people around the world, yet you promote yourselves like this.

Get a grip.

Oh dear you are getting boring Mr Junta, is that all you are capeable of, gossip mongering? and you still call me sad?
Still afraid to use your name Mr Junta? you are just like Mr Calver a coward.
Still have'nt got anything intelligent to say Mr Junta?
Still cant defend Mr Calver Mr Junta.
Never mind, not many people can.
What a full and exciting life you believe I have led, perhaps I should write a book, people love juicy stories and with your vivid imagination perhaps we should collaborate on it. You could name all the men you allege my ex-wife serviced, but I bet that would'nt go down to well with their wives and girlfriends and children, No, that would'nt be fair to them would it!
Sorry I digressed, lets stick to what we are here for shall we, or is that to much of an intelligent thing to ask of you?
Are you going to try and defend Mr Calver or not, surely you being the knowledgeable person, you think you are, must know the dates he is supposed to have informed the community council of the proposed developments. Its just like I said though, you cant defend him can you? He cant even defend himself can he? Or he would have done so by now
NO ONE CAN. Thats the really sad thing, A County Councillor resorting to blatent lieing and getting his friends to do the dirty work for him (no pun intended) and try and deflect the attention away from him. Thats very sad for the Community he porports to represent!

To Walter
I apologise Walter, but anyone making a true factual comment about our County councillor and this almost always happens. Two Councillors on Manorbier Community Council think they can silence people by using the above tactics used by junta. They are both cowards and dont put their name to anything. They appear to get their kicks out of intimidating the elderly, vulnerable and disabled people and anyone who dares to challenge them is subjected to a barrage of abuse.
I apologise that Junta crawls out of the gutter and spoils a genuine debate but as you can see, that is all he is capable of and he is obviously a spineless coward, who has not got the courage of his convictions and refuses to name himself.
Councillor Calver often loads the gun for others to fire and ask youself why he has not replied, after all, it is his letter that all the fuss is about and you can be sure he is reading all this.
What the residents of Skrinkle are unhappy about, is that there has been no consultation with the residents about this development which according to Pembrokeshire County Council guidelines there should have been.
We ask why has County Councillor Calver not kept the community he is supposed to represent fully informed of what was proposed and why does he refuse to answer the questions
1/ When was he made aware of the proposed sell off of land for development?
2/ Why did he not inform the Community Council that this had been proposed?
The first we all knew of it was when it was announced in this paper.
Regards
C. Cochrane

Great to see people have stab at each other out in public lets have more of it......

Why hasent our grate dictator Fido Castro Calver ansered the questions. Come on fido attaboy.

Dear Western Telegraph readers it would appear that the editor is very selective in the letters that get published I sent this letter and asked for this letter set out below to be published in this weeks paper in response to Malcolm Calver's letter in last weeks WT - for some strange reason it was not published so I thought why not put on the WT web site.
Cllr Tony Wales
Council were not aware of proposals

Dear Editor,
As Chairman of Manorbier Community Council I would be obliged if you would allow me to comment on Cllr Malcolm Calver’s letter in this week’s Western Telegraph “Council were aware of proposals” I can categorically state that Manorbier Community Council have never ever been informed by Cllr Calver or Pembrokeshire County Council (PCC) or any other body of any intention to sell land at Skrinkle estate to Pembrokeshire Housing Association.

The first I and other Community Councillors knew about land being sold is when we read in the Western Telegraph on the 18th April that PCC Cabinet had recommended approval of a proposal to sell two parcels of land on the Skrinkle estate for building of new houses.
At our Council meeting held on the 3rd May a good many of the residents and children from the Skrinkle estate attended the meeting and asked why they had not been informed of the proposals to sell this land to Pembrokeshire Housing Association.
Unfortunately Cllr Calver was not in attendance at this meeting and was therefore not available to answer any questions from residents and children from Skrinkle.
It is my intention to ask Cllr Calver at our next meeting on the 7th June to produce the evidence that would confirm he has kept Manorbier Community Council fully informed at all of our previous meetings of any proposals to build on land at Skrinkle estate.

Cllr Caver states in his letter that “Elected representatives have to make decisions based on the greater good of the community as a whole” I would like to take this opportunity to remind him that he has a duty to all of the electorate not just a chosen few to keep them all informed - particularly the residents and children of Skrinkle estate who might well lose their play and amenity areas if this proposal is given a planning consent.
Cllr Tony Wales Chairman
Cllr Brian Coleman Vice Chairman
Cllr David Neads Proper Officer
Cllr Peter Kidney

North Norton
Manorbier

Cllr Tony Wales Chairman
Judging by your posts, you are nothing but a jealous fool who attacks Calver at any opportunity.
This is not productive for the council and people you are supposed to serve.
There may have been good reason for the WT not to publish your letter, not least that it is biased in your favour.
From the following observation, I suspect that you and Cochrane have some sort of alliance:
the first post by Cochrane was 8:43pm Fri 1 Jun 07. You post was at 8:52pm Fri 1 Jun 07, 9 minutes later! Saying much the same thing!
You were probably both in Cochrane's attic, plotting and spitting drivel together. Cosy.
As you wrote your letter to the WT as the Chairman of Manorbier Community Council, projecting the Council's position on this matter, did you have the authority from that Council to do so? As I don't attend your meetings, I can not be sure, but my guess would be that you have done this off your own back.
From what I have heard of you, you try to put yourself about as much as you can. Is that just trying to position yourself for the next County Council elections, due next year? Is that what this constant attacking of Calver is all about? You came third last time (out of three) you tried and it is now occuring to me that you are bitter about losing to Calver. Yes, this must be what all this sniping and backstabbing of Calver is all about. Throw as much muck at Calver as you can and maybe come next years election, you get a shot at the gravy train of County Hall.
It this notion is indeed your scheme to win next years election, and nothing more, you should be ashamed of yourself. You are dragging this chap's name through the mud at every opportunity to fulfil your ambition of political grandeur.
Chairman, Cllr, Sir, Mr Wales, or whatever other title you enjoy using, you are crazy to think that by slagging off your opponent at any and every opportunity will win the next election for you. People must like and believe in you for you to succeed in elections. Not many people do. Those that do will not think well of you when they discover all the nonsense that you come up with is just your attempt to discredit Calver.
They say politics is a dirty game and they are right, especially when there are dirty people playing the game. You are such.

In his above post, Cllr Wales said "Malcolm Calver's letter in last weeks WT - for some strange reason it was not published so I thought why not put on the WT web site".
That gave me an idea why not air dirty Manorbier laundry here. So here we go. This is a blog worth reading:

Friday, 23 March 2007
Have no fear of the Law, we don't..!.!.!
Such a surprisingly eloquent letter has been published in this week's Western Telegraph. This is somewhat surprising considering the quality of previous submissions by the same author. I have taken the trouble to copy it verbatim for the benefit of those of you fortunate enough to have missed this spectacle of literary brilliance:

Dear Editor -
In response to the article in last week's Western Telegraph; Law threat may put people off.'
As chairman of Manorbier Community Council I am in a good position to pass comment on Councillor Martin Davies' negative views.
I would in fact encourage all members of their respective communities to become involved in the issues that affect their town or village.
Providing council members act with integrity, they have nothing to fear from possible litigation.
So do not allow yourselves to be put off by a pretty unusual occurrence in Manorbier.
Please come forward, there is a great satisfaction in helping your community.
Cllr Tony Wales
North Norton, Manorbier.

A riveting word, wouldn't you agree. Integrity. What does the word Integrity mean when used in the context of the Chairman of Manorbier Community Council, Councillor Anthony Leonard Wales?

This is how the dictionary defines Integrity:
Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code
The state of being wholesome; unimpaired
The quality or condition of being complete; pure

Synonyms of Integrity are:
honesty, uprightness, rectitude, unity, wholeness, purity, goodness, probity, sincerity, virtue, decency.

Hardly a word then that should be associated with Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales then. In fact, to include the word "Integrity" with the words "Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales" on the same page, let alone in the same sentence, is an affront to people's intelligence.

Surely a strong statement to make with no substance to back it up? Well, for those of you still with me to this point, I have no intention whatsoever in disappointing you by not putting some meat on the bones for you to chew over.

This list is by no means exhaustive, but will give the uninitiated a clearer insight into the way that Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales runs Manorbier Community Council. Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales is responsible for:

o Failure to ensure that Bank statements are produced at each Council meeting
o Withholding letters from the Council for more than three months without any authority
o Withholding correspondence from fellow Councillors
o Failure to keep his word by not providing information from One Voice Wales to all Councillors
o Not revealing the information requested from One Voice Wales and approaching them without due authority
o Making statements to the press without consultations with the Council
o Violation of Council resolutions and visiting the Internal Auditor without any consent
o Withholding information about a recent court case from fellow Councillors
o Non-publication of notices for meetings of the Council
o Failure to ensure the supply of information to Councillors
o Failure to instruct the temporary clerk to reveal documents
o Failure to ensure a casual vacancy was reported to the PCC in a timely manner
o Domination of Council meeting where more than 93% of resolutions emanate from the Chairman
o Failure to allow debate on topics and severely curtailing opinions differing from his own.
o Failure in reporting to the Ombudsman two Councillors for not declaring their interests in the recent costly court case.
o For considering himself to be the unelected Council spokesman
o Failure to collect the outstanding moneys for the Newsletter after offering to do so

So, on the face of it, not a very successful tenure as Chairman, one could rightfully argue. Furthermore, where does the word "Integrity" come in relation to the above points?

But, and it is a big BUT, this is only the tip of the Iceberg. (This is where the Chairman wishes Global Warming a speedy intervention).

The issue that needs be addressed, relates to this whole charade which is contained in the final sentence of his letter to the Western Telegraph, here again reproduced to save you the bother of scrolling back up the page:

Please come forward, there is a great satisfaction in helping your community.

Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales has only one aim and that aim is for self-fulfilment of political grandeur. The mere idea of deriving "great satisfaction in helping your community" is lost in the midst of his quest to impress his political peers.

Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales delights in his intimate relationships with others to whom he aspires. So many times he has mentioned to Manorbier Council members that he has recently been communicating with "Nick" or "Chris" on this matter or that matter. "Nick" this "Chris" that. All very amicable, or so he likes to intimate.

For the benefit of those of you who are not familiar with the identities of "Nick" and "Chris" allow me to enlighten you:

"Nick" - aka - Nick Ainger MP , MP for Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire

"Chris" - aka - Christine Gwyther, Assembly Member for Carmarthen West & South Pembrokeshire.

I do however have it on fairly good authority, that the intimate relationships to which he is often heard to refer in regard to the above, extends to allowing Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales to drive the Labour Party Minibus on the election campaign trail (for a few hours). Bless him.

But come on, lets be honest about it. If it makes him feel more important about himself to name drop, using normal Politicians, should he be deprived of that little pleasure. Maybe not, but on the other hand, yes, maybe.

Let me put this suggestion forward, would Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales be bothered in trying to spread his politically insignificant name around, without the aim of trying to fulfill his own political ambitions. Perhaps Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales is a man of Integrity and worthy of political greatness. Or is he?

A single issue threw a spotlight onto his armour. It didn't take long to notice the chink. Intrigued? I was. The issue that arose, was concerning Barclays Bank. Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales was asked to supply his details to Barclays Bank so that he may be added as a signatory to the Manorbier Community Council bank account. Pretty straight forward so far, one would think. Unfortunately, not in this dark little corner of Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales' past.
Barclays Bank required Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales to provide more information than he was willing to provide. In an attempt to confuse the calamitous personal situation that Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales was found thrust, the now Proper Officer, Councillor David Neads, suggested that the bank account be moved to a different banking institution. Why was there such urgent haste to dispense with a reputable banking institution, which had served Manorbier Council very well for many years?

Interestingly enough, there turns out to be history between Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales and Barclays Bank. But what kind of history had Barclays Bank sniffing around for Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales' personal details. Also, if Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales had an interest to declare, why did he not do so?

Let me put this suggestion forward, when Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales' waste removal business activities crashed and burned, what were the circumstances surrounding the involvement between him, Barclays Bank and the completely innocent Goldsworthy's?
What indeed were the circumstances relating to this triangle of intrigue.

In the interest of fairness and to prove no malicious intent, I would perhaps like to offer Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales the opportunity to put his side of the story forward for public scrutiny before I publish the actual in's and out's of his whole dirty little affair.

But going back to the word "Integrity", do you honestly believe that Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales serves as a Councillor on Manorbier Community Council for any other reason than trying to position himself for another stab at the County Council elections due in a little more than twelve months from now, having been defeated on his last attempt.
I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this failed entrepreneur has nothing left in the tank and is desperate to ascend to the gravy train of the County Council that has provided so well for others in the not so distant past. (Check out www.oldgrumpy.co.uk)


Perhaps if Chairman Anthony Leonard Wales showed as much effort in his business life as he has in spreading his name around and positioning himself for another attempt at raising his political profile in some banal way of trying to impress his peers, he would not have ended up in the position that he finds himself in today.

We have to also consider the fact that Councillor Anthony Leonard Wales, was Chairman of Manorbier Community Council during the entire legal dispute regarding the ICT Marketing issue and remains so today. Again, for the benefit of the uninitiated, this failed defence of a County Court Summons has cost the residents of the parish of Manorbier almost £20,000 in legal fees alone. The action to defend was taken against legal advice to settle.

It would appear that Councillor Anthony Leonard Wales is quite happy and claims to be vindicated (exactly how, is somewhat of an enigma!) in wasting tens of thousands of Manorbier parish funds, despite his own personal financial position.
The question that must be asked is quite simple - being a member of the Labour Party, are you bovvered...?

Mr M Junta,
Jameston and Manorbier are beautiful little villages. What a pity they have inhabitants like you, you are obviously a spiteful jealous coward who is afraid to use your own name, you obviously have the brain of a goldfish and your one brain cell is obviously twisted and bitter. I have never ever come across such a load of trash as the words that you print. It is people like you who get the web and its users a bad name. I am not supporting Councillor Wales or Mr Cochrane I don’t know who is right in the argument against your County Councillor, but at least they have the decency to try and stick to reasonable debate. You should be ashamed of yourself you illiterate coward.
Walter is right, get a grip man, or, giving you the benefit of the doubt, I suspect you are a person crying out for attention and you are actually proud of what you write? If so I suggest you see your GP and ask for a referral to a psychiatric unit as you are obviously in serious need of professional help..

I applaud D.Watts and Walter. Airing petty personal problems on the web is without doubt childish at best. I do not know any of these people involved in this 'mud-slinging' contest but, what I and probably other people would like to know is, can Cllr Calver confirm that he kept the community council members fully informed of all aspects of this proposed development. This was, afterall, the inital rant by C. Cochrane which has slightly digressed.

You bunch of saddos. What is it with you lot in Manorbier? Are you all interbred or what?

Why wont the said Counillor answer the questions? I am told he has read what is on here so what has he got to hide. I think he loves all this attention being focused on him. What a sad man!

I CANT BELIEVE WHAT IM READING. FOR GODS SAKE GET A LIFE. DONT U REALISE PEOPLE ARENT GOING TO READ ANYTHING YOU WRITE, NO ONE IS INTERESTED!! FOR GODS SAKE GROW UP. NO WONDER THIS COUNTY IS IN SUCH A MESS WITH A GROUP OF JUMPED UP OLD MEN ARGUING OVER GOD KNOWS WHAT....

You want to see our County Councillors performences at the Manorbier Community Council meetings, he almost had one young mother in tears last thursday with his intimidating manner and callous comments about her children. Not the sort of behaviour one would expect from a representative of Pembrokeshire County Council
Still no reply to the questions I put above from County Councillor Calver yet!!! Nothing changes!

The further comments given on the topic of additional housing at Manorbier still rumbles on. Cutting through to the heart of the matter is now appears that the four authors of the letter included below were very very wrong.

The Comment
Dear Western Telegraph readers it would appear that the editor is very selective in the letters that get published I sent this letter and asked for this letter set out below to be published in this weeks paper in response to Malcolm Calver's letter in last weeks WT - for some strange reason it was not published so I thought why not put on the WT web site.
Cllr Tony Wales
Council were not aware of proposals

Dear Editor,
As Chairman of Manorbier Community Council I would be obliged if you would allow me to comment on Cllr Malcolm Calver's letter in this week's Western Telegraph "Council were aware of proposals" I can categorically state that Manorbier Community Council have never ever been informed by Cllr Calver or Pembrokeshire County Council (PCC) or any other body of any intention to sell land at Skrinkle estate to Pembrokeshire Housing Association.

The first I and other Community Councillors knew about land being sold is when we read in the Western Telegraph on the 18th April that PCC Cabinet had recommended approval of a proposal to sell two parcels of land on the Skrinkle estate for building of new houses.
At our Council meeting held on the 3rd May a good many of the residents and children from the Skrinkle estate attended the meeting and asked why they had not been informed of the proposals to sell this land to Pembrokeshire Housing Association.
Unfortunately Cllr Calver was not in attendance at this meeting and was therefore not available to answer any questions from residents and children from Skrinkle.
It is my intention to ask Cllr Calver at our next meeting on the 7th June to produce the evidence that would confirm he has kept Manorbier Community Council fully informed at all of our previous meetings of any proposals to build on land at Skrinkle estate.

Cllr Caver states in his letter that "Elected representatives have to make decisions based on the greater good of the community as a whole" I would like to take this opportunity to remind him that he has a duty to all of the electorate not just a chosen few to keep them all informed - particularly the residents and children of Skrinkle estate who might well lose their play and amenity areas if this proposal is given a planning consent.
Cllr Tony Wales Chairman
Cllr Brian Coleman Vice Chairman
Cllr David Neads Proper Officer
Cllr Peter Kidney

North Norton
Manorbier

Maybe the WT are rightly selective Mr Wales, for now it seems that other councillors at Manorbier recall the information being given by Clr Calver. Members of the public who attended the council meeting also recall fully the potential development of additional land at Skrinkle being covered in Clr Calver's comments. One well attended council meeting concerned another open space at Skrinkle and at that meeting the authors attended. The people who were applying for planning approval also fully recall Clr Calver mentioning other sites on the estate and showing a map identifying the areas. So we know that all the four councillors whose letter is above were indeed fully aware. So why the fabrication of the truth? Could it be that a campaign is underway to oust the sitting county councillor and the driver of that campaign is the earlier 2004 defeated Wales. So are the others just going along with him or are they part of a conspiracy to deceive.
The Pembrokeshire County Council have stated that Manorbier Community Council were informed of potential developments back in April 2006 which is a month or so after they dismissed their Clerk and failed to make any alternative arrangements to deal with the affairs of the council. Now one of the authors is playing at being Clerk and a councillor propagating untruths through his position.
The Manorbier community deserve better than all this. The councillors mentioned above have a history of being spendthrifts with council moneys. Following the most expensive court debacle which split the council and has since given rise to allegations of perjury and the council being stabbed in the back by the two councillors, at one meeting one member of the community stated they should all resign. Now after yet another deception being played out to the community perhaps it is long over due. All four named above should go, and go now.

I fully support Councillor Wales letters. County Councillor Malcolm Calver has never kept the Community Council updated on the new proposal for development at skrinkle. I also know the council never received half the mail that was sent to it because it was witheld or deliberately mislaid by the person receiving the mail who was not Councillor T Wales at the time in question. Now who was the receiver, the name escapes me, oh yes most items were addressed to the clerk. But then she had been dismissed, so who had access to the mail as well as the Clerk, why Community Councillor M Davies of course, the clerks husband, and loyal friend to Local Developer, Malcolm Lewis Calver, who is the Manorbier representative on Pembrokeshire County Council, who also obtained a place on the planning committee.
Mr Davies refused to hand over all correspondance to the Community Council for months, he is very childish like that. He also uses alias's such as Manorbier Community, and is he Manorbier Junta as well, Highly likely, I would put money on it he and Calver wrote the letter above.

Further to C.L.R. Davies comment posted at 8.13 today. I would like to clarify his/her comments regarding mail addressed to Manorbier Community Council - in the first instance all mail would normally be addressed to the Clerk of the Council (Mrs Pam Davies)however from mid March 06 Mrs Davies ceased to be employed as Clerk to Manorbier Council. In July 06 the Council became aware that mail destined for Manorbier Community Council was being deliberately and unlawfully withheld by Mrs Davies, a request was subsequently made to Detective Sergent Andrew Wolley of Dyfed-Powys Police Fraud Squad to recover the mail on behalf of Manorbier Community Council - thankfully D.S. Wolley was able to recover a large box of mail addressed to the Clerk of Manorbier Community Council.
Tony Wales
Chairman to Manorbier Community Council

I have in my possesion a copy of a letter obtained under the Freedom of Information Act that was addressed and sent to Councillor Malcolm Calver dated 21st April 06. This contains information that PCC were considering disposing of land on Dewing and Hounsel Avenues Skrinkle estate Manorbier for housing development. Copies were sent to Manorbier Community Council which would have been addressed at that time to the Clerk Mrs P Davies who as stated above in conjunction with her husband Councillor Martin Davies witheld all Communications addressed to the Manorbier Community Council from mid March 06 onwards for a number of months until this was retrieved by the police from Councillor Davies.
If Councillor Calver had kept the Community Council informed and updated as stated then why did he not question the Chairman as to why the contents of this letter had not been made known to the Council at the time it was sent(april 06)? If, as he states he kept the Council fully informed then why, when questioned by members of the public at the Community Council Meeting held on Thurs 7th June 07 did he state he only became aware about this proposed development 6 weeks ago. Clearly he was aware of it over 12 months ago, decided to keep quite about it and the missing letter and never mentioned it to the Council. Such an important issue yet, to him not important enough to update the council about it as he so boldly claims!!!
Still no reply in your own name then Malcolm? never mind, Councillor Davies will do your dirty work for you, but I bet as usual he wont use his real name, he prefers Junta or Charles or whatever name is flavour of the month for him!
It was announced at the same meeting that Councillor David Neads appears to have found anomolies in the finances of the Community Council prior to him taking over as proper officer, over twelve months ago.
Reminds me of the time that anomolies were found in the finances of the Manorbier Community Association Now who was looking after the finances for the Community Council prior to David Neads? Would it have been the Clerk? Councillor Davies's wife who made these anomolies, and was it not the same Clerk when anomolies were found in the Community Associations finances. I rather think it was! Appears to be more than a little coincidental doesnt it?.

To those,

including,

Councillor Calver; Councillor Cockrane; Councillor Wales; Manorbier Junta; Helen; G Johns; JP; Jenny; Walter; Jolly Jack tar; paddy; Councillors, Coleman, Neads and Kidney; D Watts; R Harries; Roger; Ben; Anon; Charles; & C L R Davies

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Let those in Manorbier who are without any finesse crawl back under their stones.

Let the Council serve the people not the politicians aspirations of grandeur.

Let your vested interests be moderated.

Let the Council decide what the cranky chairman puts into print.

Let not others be given the blame for your own shortcomings.

Let your views have lesser importance.

Let the way be with light, tolerance and understanding.

Let there be some respite from your writings, especially CC.

Let the battles stop and peace be with you all.


Go, and Go in peace, please, all of you sick barstools.

Manorbier Sam

Is there no moderator on this website? some of these comments are just way out of line, and must have undoubtably damaged the integrity of all of those who contributed both those accused and their accusers, and along with it the name of Manorbier cannot help but be damaged.

All of you have allowed almost an entire council to lower itself to playground namecalling, maybe next time there are elections the eloctorate would do better looking to the local primary school for there councillors. At least then they would expect what they get, classroom tantrums, namecalling, petty accusations

Just so that you are aware, whilst I live in Birmingham I am Pembroke Dock born and bred, and proud of that fact.

It's just a pity that some of the residents of Manorbier cannot show some pride in themselves instead of the childish antics we have seen on this link, which have in fact distracted from a simple question which has yet to be answered .

There is an answer to the original request and it appears on another papers letters section. Do please see the letters on the Tenby Observer web pages. It is there for all to see, three letters in all.


bsnellgrove@tiscali.
co.uk

May I through your page thank councillor and chairman Wales for his dedication to my cause. Following his guidance I am a reformed person. I offer apologies to anybody I have offended by my writings, by my verbal statements, by my tub thumping approach and my vilification of others. My apologies are even extended to Malcolm, well, maybe, just. For this I thank Tony, the respected and enlightened one.

Just like Tony who has carved out careers in both waste and rubbish, I shall follow in his footsteps as this rubbish will surely testify.

Tony, soon to be for King.

Me, soon to be for Gotten.

Councillor Davies has often used my name (although has trouble spelling it) to try and confuse the issue.Could this be him playing his childish pranks again above. Highly probable. As stated before he is very childish like that. But very big when it comes to wanting to have fights with people in wheelchairs! No this is not mudslinging it is fact as recorded in the Manorbier Community Council minutes. And you Councillor Calver, why do you keep inimidating people in the village especially older ladies for not agreeing with you.
No reply from Councillors Calver and Davies in their own names then! That doesnt surprise me.
Lets get back to the real issue.
Still afraid to tell the truth Malcolm or are you not capable of that, Come on put us out of our misery, just when did you update the Manorbier Community Council, You can't tell us can you because you never did. Was it a typing error when you claimed you kept the community council updated,or just one of your many lies.

Brian Snellgrove wrote:
There is an answer to the original request and it appears on another papers letters section. Do please see the letters on the Tenby Observer web pages. It is there for all to see, three letters in all. bsnellgrove@tiscali. co.uk

Brian - it looks like your comment was ignored by the above posters. I have just read the letters and it appears that Mr.Cochrane is indeed mudslinging at Mr.Calver, again.
What Mr.Cochrane doesn't realise is that Tony Wales is using him to fire as much mud at Mr.Calver as he can. The next County Councillor election is about 10 months away and the more damage Mr.Wales can do to Mr.Calver's reputation, through his mouthpiece Mr.Cochrane, the more he thinks he will win. This is clearly a smear campaign being carried out against Mr.Calver.
If Mr.Cochrane thinks there is any truth in these allegations that "Mr Malcolm Calver is nothing but a downright liar" as claimed by him in his first comment, he has clearly been shown to be wrong by the letters in the Tenby Observer.
Mr.Cochrane is being used by Mr.Wales to further his political ambitions. Mr.Cochrane can't see that he is being manipulated by Mr.Wales. Pity.

Thanks Brian, yes the answer is there, and Don I agree with you that it appears there is manipulating going on, Nice to see that there are some adults reading this site and posting constructive, informative comments.

May I through your good offices comment on this outrage conducted by the chairman of the Manorbier Community Council. It would seem that three councillors plus the current chair have each stated that nothing was said, yet the newspaper mentioned by Brian from Birmingham gives us full support that indeed information was given out. As it seems the four councillors are of the opinion that they heard nothing, can it be that they did not want to hear, that they are deaf or just playing the game outlined by Don, from Jameston, that he gives us above.

Whichever it might be, some form of apology is now long overdue. I wish I lived nearer to hear them admit to the truth. The habit of going direct to the newspapers without council approval has to be considered very poor indeed. To give false information is downright deplorable. All of the authors, or supporters of the Wales chairman, have contributed to bringing the council into disrepute.

I agree with Charles from Manorbier who called for their resignations. It's about the only honest thing left open for them all to do. I'm not a betting person but don't put money on that outcome. For the same team was reported in the Western Telegraph as costing the locals more than £22,000 in legal fees as their defence case was lost. Inspection of the website manorbier.com would suggest that the court case might be over but the infighting is still going on. The same chairman now also having stated he no longer wanted anything to do with that issue.

Sorry mate but none of this will go away. But you could.

In response to the accusations made in the three comments above:-
1/ I am not the mouth piece for anyone, including Councillor Wales, he makes his own views known using his own name.
2/ I am not mudslinging I am writing the factual truth, unlike the comments directed at me by people afraid to use their own name.
3/ I am not involved in any sinister smear campaign against Councillor Calver I don’t need to be I just stick to the facts.
4/ I always use my own name, unlike the writers to many of the comments above.
To get to the bottom of the issue I wrote to Pembrokeshire County Council and requested under the freedom of Information act, copies of all correspondence relating to the proposal for development on the Skrinkle Estate, Manorbier, it made fascinating reading and proves the fact that Councillor Calver has indeed lied, not just to Manorbier Community Council, but the residents and tenants of Skrinkle Estate who attended the Community council meeting held on June 7th and previous meetings, and the public who read his letter in this paper and the Tenby Observer and on his Self Ego website Manorbier.com.
I wrote a letter this week to the Tenby Observer and provided evidence to support my allegations. Apparently there were a number of letters on this issue and the Editor decided to write an editorial about the matter and has now drawn a line underneath it until a later date. Below is a copy of the letter I wrote which as I said is completely backed up with the information and copies of letters supplied by Pembrokeshire County Council

Dear Editor.
Talk about keeping people in the dark!
Pembrokeshire County Council did not (as stated by Councillor Huw George) write directly to Manorbier Community Council regarding the proposed building developments for Skrinkle. The truth of the matter is Pembrokeshire County Council actually wrote to Manorbier County Councillor Malcolm Calver, but Councillor George failed to mention that important fact.
I have in my possession a copy of a letter obtained under the Freedom of Information Act that was addressed and sent to Councillor Malcolm Calver dated 21st April 06. This contains information that PCC were considering disposing of land on Dewing and Hounsel Avenues, Skrinkle Estate Manorbier for housing development, this is the actual letter Councillor George refers to. It was asking County Councillor Calver for his views alone.
A Copy! was sent to Manorbier Community Council, but was never received as the mail for the Community Council was at this time being deliberately and illegally withheld, (but that is another story). Therefore PCC did not write to Manorbier Community Council, and ask for its views on the proposal, they wrote to County Councillor Calver for his which is hardly the same thing and totally misleading.
However, Thank you Councillor George, for it does prove, County Councillor Calver was fully aware of the proposals to develop land in April 06, the Community Council were not, neither were members of the Skrinkle Community.
At the Community Council Meeting held on Thursday 7th June 07, when questioned by estate residents, as to when he was first aware of the proposals for housing development on Skrinkle Estate, Councillor Calver stated categorically (after initially refusing to answer the question) he was not aware of any proposals until approximately six weeks prior to the meeting of June 07. This was obviously a deliberate lie as Councillor George’s letter demonstrates, he was fully aware of this proposal in April 06.
After receiving this letter, in April 06 why did Councillor Calver not bring to the attention of the Community Council the contents of the letter and ask why the letter copied to them had not been read out? Why did he not keep the Community Council fully informed. Why did he not keep the Community Council regularly updated as he stated so strongly he has done. What absolute lies and rubbish he writes!
Far from keeping the Community Council updated, County Councillor Calver has actually withheld information not just for 1 year, but as I will demonstrate, it is in fact 3 Years!
Also gained under the Freedom of information act, I am in possession of two emails that demonstrate it was Councillor Calver who actually put the proposals forward to develop land on Skrinkle in August 2004. The Senior Council Officer who wrote the email stated “that all residents and tenants on the estate must be consulted about the proposal especially in view of the extra traffic generated by the proposal”. No one on the Skrinkle estate has been consulted or made aware of the proposed developments. WHY WAS THIS NOT DONE?
Skrinkle over the last few years has had an additional 12 units added to it, an increase of 12% (only a couple of these have been allocated to Manorbier Parish residents), some were built on a play park, others built on what could be considered brown field sites, there was little opposition by residents as the need for housing is fully recognised. However Pembrokeshire Housing Association are now proposing to develop the assets of the estate, the green amenity play areas, played on by children of the estate since the day it was built. No consultation has taken place and Pembrokeshire Housing have not replied to concerned residents that have sent letters to them. They have been invited to attend a Community Council Meeting but so far have not taken up this invitation and I suspect will never do so, preferring to meet (as requested by Pembrokeshire Housing) with Councillors in a private session instead.
Pembrokeshire County Council, Pembrokeshire Housing Association and Manorbier County Councillor Malcolm Calver have all failed to inform, consult with, and update the residents of Skrinkle or the Manorbier Community Council.
Talk about keeping people in the dark?

Who withheld the mail?
Fact:-
The police retrieved the mail some three months later from Community Councillor Davies, husband of the ex-clerk where all Manorbier Community Council mail was addressed to at the time in question April 06. It has been stated elsewhere there was no letter or copy letter from PCC on this subject in the mail retrieved by the police.
Councillor Calver has now made Councillor George looked foolish, for the facts do not stand up in favour of Councillor George’s letter.
Mr Calver is going round the village complaining to all and sundry what is written about him on this website, he is complaining it is a smear campaign against him. He is therefore, obviously fully aware of the content of this website. Why Councillor Calver do you rely on others to try and take the heat off you.
Councillor George, Community Councillor Davies, and a few others have tried to defend you Councillor Calver, but the fact is,
No one can defend you, if you cannot defend yourself!
You are losing face in front of your fellow Councillors at County Hall and members of the public in the Parish you purport to represent, by not defending yourself Councillor!
I have asked this time and again
Why, if you have not lied and have nothing to hide do you not defend yourself?
You will not defend yourself, because you cannot defend yourself.
C. Cochrane

Don wrote:

Brian Snellgrove wrote: There is an answer to the original request and it appears on another papers letters section. Do please see the letters on the Tenby Observer web pages. It is there for all to see, three letters in all. bsnellgrove@tiscali. co.uk

Brian - it looks like your comment was ignored by the above posters. I have just read the letters and it appears that Mr.Cochrane is indeed mudslinging at Mr.Calver, again. What Mr.Cochrane doesn't realise is that Tony Wales is using him to fire as much mud at Mr.Calver as he can. The next County Councillor election is about 10 months away and the more damage Mr.Wales can do to Mr.Calver's reputation, through his mouthpiece Mr.Cochrane, the more he thinks he will win. This is clearly a smear campaign being carried out against Mr.Calver. If Mr.Cochrane thinks there is any truth in these allegations that "Mr Malcolm Calver is nothing but a downright liar" as claimed by him in his first comment, he has clearly been shown to be wrong by the letters in the Tenby Observer. Mr.Cochrane is being used by Mr.Wales to further his political ambitions. Mr.Cochrane can't see that he is being manipulated by Mr.Wales. Pity.

In reply to my friend Don's letter, I would like to point out a number of facts to this story.
The main instigator, who has gone to considerable time and trouble to participate, is Mr. Chas Cochrane.
Mr. Cochrane lives in Dewing Avenue, Manorbier.
His house name is Haven View.
He has a direct view of the sea from the front of his house.
His house is directly opposite the proposed development.
His view of the sea will be obscured if this development goes ahead.
This is absolutely clearly the reason for Mr. Cochrane creating such an issue over this proposed development - Mr. Cochrane does not was housing to be built directly in front of his own house, wreaking the outlook he has enjoyed.
I agree that this looks like a smear campaign against County Councillor Calver. Mr. Cochrane is obviously very bitter at Mr. Calver and has launched a salvo of smear in revenge.

Peter from Manorbier, another person trying to take the heat off Councillor Calver, trying to sidetrack from the actual issues! I wonder who Peter is then? No surname I notice, another person who is afraid to put forward their real name?
As for my house having a direct view of the sea number 34 and 36 Dewing avenue is directly in front of me and behind them is a hill. Hardly a direct view of the sea.
Who ever you are Peter, lets see you defend Councillor Calver then, I have provided proof at the Manorbier Community Council and to the Tenby Observer to substantiate my accusations. Comment on the issues cant you or is that beyond you
C. Cochrane

Peter wrote:

Don wrote:

Brian Snellgrove wrote: There is an answer to the original request and it appears on another papers letters section. Do please see the letters on the Tenby Observer web pages. It is there for all to see, three letters in all. bsnellgrove@tiscali. co.uk

Brian - it looks like your comment was ignored by the above posters. I have just read the letters and it appears that Mr.Cochrane is indeed mudslinging at Mr.Calver, again. What Mr.Cochrane doesn't realise is that Tony Wales is using him to fire as much mud at Mr.Calver as he can. The next County Councillor election is about 10 months away and the more damage Mr.Wales can do to Mr.Calver's reputation, through his mouthpiece Mr.Cochrane, the more he thinks he will win. This is clearly a smear campaign being carried out against Mr.Calver. If Mr.Cochrane thinks there is any truth in these allegations that "Mr Malcolm Calver is nothing but a downright liar" as claimed by him in his first comment, he has clearly been shown to be wrong by the letters in the Tenby Observer. Mr.Cochrane is being used by Mr.Wales to further his political ambitions. Mr.Cochrane can't see that he is being manipulated by Mr.Wales. Pity.

In reply to my friend Don's letter, I would like to point out a number of facts to this story.
The main instigator, who has gone to considerable time and trouble to participate, is Mr. Chas Cochrane.
Mr. Cochrane lives in Dewing Avenue, Manorbier.
His house name is Haven View.
He has a direct view of the sea from the front of his house.
His house is directly opposite the proposed development.
His view of the sea will be obscured if this development goes ahead.
This is absolutely clearly the reason for Mr. Cochrane creating such an issue over this proposed development - Mr. Cochrane does not was housing to be built directly in front of his own house, wreaking the outlook he has enjoyed.
I agree that this looks like a smear campaign against County Councillor Calver. Mr. Cochrane is obviously very bitter at Mr. Calver and has launched a salvo of smear in revenge.

Mr. Cochrane, in your reply to Peter's comment, you try to make it sound as though you have no sea view. That being the case, why do you call your house "Haven View", as Peter states? I happen to have friends in Dewing Avenue and I know which house is yours. You have every motive to wish to quash this proposed development, as it will indeed spoil your view of the sea. Trying to damage the reputation of Mr. Calver with this terrible smear campaign is not the correct way of going about things. Your motive is purely selfish. Two or more families could benefit from the housing being proposed for this site and you only want to prevent that from happening because it will spoil your view.
Selfish, so very selfish.

C. Cochrane wrote:
Peter from Manorbier, another person trying to take the heat off Councillor Calver, trying to sidetrack from the actual issues! I wonder who Peter is then? No surname I notice, another person who is afraid to put forward their real name?
As for my house having a direct view of the sea number 34 and 36 Dewing avenue is directly in front of me and behind them is a hill. Hardly a direct view of the sea.
Who ever you are Peter, lets see you defend Councillor Calver then, I have provided proof at the Manorbier Community Council and to the Tenby Observer to substantiate my accusations. Comment on the issues cant you or is that beyond you
C. Cochrane

I have no reason to take the heat off Mr. Calver and I have on reason to defend him. It would appear from this forum that you are conducting a smear campaign against him that is totally unnecessary, his defence would be to ignore the fiction and spin and to ignore you.
The real point here is clear. You don't want to have your sea view taken away by this proposed housing development.Full stop.
The other things you say are pretty meaningless in this forum. You say you have facts and evidence of this and that and everything. You have not provided this "evidence", just points put from your point of view.
You can make whatever claims you like, but without the "evidence" being published to prove your points, you have no credibility. You claim to have provided proof to Manorbier Community Council, that may or not be true, but without providing the proof here, you have fallen flat on your face.
Harry hit the nail on the head, your motives are driven by self interest.

Whether I have a sea view is irrelevant, it is not the issue, we are here to discuss Councillor Calver and his lies. Again nameless people trying to muddy the waters are now accusing me of starting up a smear campaign. Before they started on me they were accusing Tony Wales of starting up a smear campaign. They have accused me of drumming up opposition to the proposals by starting petitions. Before me, they accused Councillor Wales of starting up petitions. Then they accuse myself and Councillor Wales of collaborating. Truth is, the people who started the petitions attended Manorbier Community Council and told Councillor Calver and Councillor Davies along with the rest of Manorbier Community Council and members of the public who attended the meeting they and the children of the estate were responsible for the petitions. Both Councillor Davies and Calver were there or were they not paying attention or did their selective hearing kick in again and they did not hear the lady in question making the statement?
To those people who are afraid to use their real names, if you are so sure Councillor Calver has not lied then come forward with the evidence and use your real names, you won’t because the truth is out and you are to frightened of losing face.
I did bring and present my evidence to Manorbier Community Council, there were plenty of witness’s and I have sent copies to the Tenby Observer, why not write to the Editor there and ask him, or better still contact Pembrokehire County Council like I did, or are you now going to accuse Pembrokeshire County Council of collaborating and conspiring against the County Councillor?
County Councillor Calver has lied and tried to put the blame on others, he should for once in his life come clean and tell the truth. There is no conspiracy against him, no smear campaign, all people want is for him to admit the truth, he lied in his letter and to his fellow Councillors and members of the public.
So Councillor Calver, burying your head in the sand like an ostrich will not make the matter go away. You were quick enough to get your letter published before, now why the silence?
Either publish the truth with supporting evidence, or retract the lies and put an end to the affair.

How much power do you, Mr Cochrane, attribute to your adversary Councillor Calver?
Lets consider the facts - to quote yourself.

1. Each Councillor of the Pembrokeshire County Council is but one of many, so their individual influence is not high.

2. Your councillor is not even a Cabinet member - maybe they do have a little more power to influence.

3. Your experience of community council meeting should have shown you that one councillor alone can do very little as it always needs a majority of support for anything to be accepted, acted upon or decided. And its not allowable for one councillor to have singleton powers and all councillors have equal status.

4. If the landowner, believed here to be the PCC , is to sell then they can do so. I fail to see why they should consult with yourself.

5. Planning in our neck of the woods is vested with the National Park, which have adopted a policy of receiving representations.

6. If you consider the points raised on the outlook or view from your home maybe you should be honest and declare an interest. Isn't that what's expected?

7. You must be aware that your county councillor voiced strongly for the preservation of the grass area next to Skrinkle Cottage and Hounsell Avenue.

Not all is gloom and doom, there are some advantages for you personally.

8. The inclusion of additional properties could buffer you home from the noise coming from the army missile firing - even at night!

9. You could have new neighbours with whom you just might get on with, and

10. Your readership might increase.

Now if you were to be concerned, and dislike the website manorbier.com so much, why not counter it with your own website. It has to be accepted that if manorbier.com is provided by your adversary it would be expected to reflect his views. Your website of manorbierlife.co.uk appears dormant, outdated and very biased about night firing as its real and only topic. And don't forget the local Newsletter was stopped by your mentor, the one and only, I'm in charge, call me Tony, Councillor, Chairman and I'll do as I like, I'm the chairman of this, that and probably the other, Wales. So the chance, means and opportunity exist for you to contribute, restore a balance, and as you say you attend meetings of the Manorbier Community Council to keep us all informed objectively, without any of the political bias of your mentor and his cronies . A service that could be appreciated by us all. Now that would be constructive, could occupy your time so much better and relieve us of your rantings.

Oh and please stop digging holes, your sure to fall in at some time.

Please ask yourself, DO we really need all this public denigration of the Manorbier area.

Spin, Twist, Screw and distort. Facts are facts and turning them around does nothing to hide, what will eventually come out, the truth. So four councillors wrote to the paper from the address of the chairman of the local council. Meetings of the council in his home, do I hear you ask? Meetings of the inner cabinet group, you might ask. Why were the other eight councillors not vocal on this topic? Why was the voice of the chair once again given without formal agreement by the council? What were the views of other councillors or were they never consulted? Why the need for this self appointed inner circle of decision makers? Who said they could be group and who gave them any necessary mandate to do so? Who decides on the public ramblings of the chairman? Who is responsible for their Public Relations or press releases? There is only one answer as to why the present local county councillor is being sacrificed on the alter of the Wales fighting machine. That's simple, Wales wants the job of county councillor in May 2008. The opening shots of the election campaign have started, and its going to be nasty.

The engine of hate and the opening salvos are being fired by the man with a view to preserve and in whose name in these letters has the most vitriol attached to them.

God help those in Manorbier

Below I have pasted a copy of the letter I have obtained from PCC that Mr Calver received in April 06 I hope this helps matters along.

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Chris Richards

(01437) 776519

21st April 06

Cllr Malcolm Calver.
Gleann-Na Coille
Pembroke Road
Manorbier.
Tenby
SA70 7SX

Dear Cllr Calver

RE: Various Plots of Land at Manorbier. Tenby.

Various parcels of land as shown by solid red edging on the attached plan
has been identified as possibly surplus to the Councils requirements and
consideration is now being given to its best future use.

Historically the land was acquired under the housing acts but it has never been used for its intended purpose and has been left as grass verge or green areas for many years.

As the sites are positioned within the Draft Unitary Development Plan residential settlement limits for the village we are considering the possibility of disposing of the land for a residential purpose and I would be grateful to receive any comments you wish to make.

Please contact me on the above telephone number if you have any
queries or require any additional information and I look forward to hearing from you in due course.

Yours sincerely


Chris Richards.
Property Review Officer




CC Manorbier Community Council.

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Well done James. At last we are beginning to see the truth. So this mystical letter was sent to Councillor Calver and to the Community Council. So how come the council spokesperson says they did not know about it. What were the comments from Councillor Calver after that letter was received? How many plots were identified on the map attached to the letter. I get the impression it must run into the tens of prospective properties. If you can shed light on these aspects please do. It would help things along even further. Also as Councillor Cochrane has obtained details from the PCC via the FoI what can he now add to the saga?

If the council say it was withheld by their former Clerk what arrangements did the council make to ensure all council material was immediately safeguarded following his departure. Does the same letter you mention exist in the archives of the council? If it was never received, was it ever sent?

An OPEN LETTER to Chas Cochrane from Pearl Tew

Sir. In the last twenty months I have missed only one community council meeting, something not even each of the councillors could lay claim to.

At some of these meetings you have been present and it has not gone unnoticed that as soon as the meeting is declared closed, you run to councillor Wales and the space you occupy prevents anybody else getting near him. I found this to be the case when I tried to speak to Mr Wales after he closed one particular meeting without calling the excluded general public back into the hall. I have seldom seen anyone move so fast to get to councillor Mr Wales, I'm in no way slow but would have great pains to keep up with you. I had the opportunity to voice my disapproval at the following meeting but he did offer an apology.

Now I want to remind you of your despicable behaviour at the community council meeting of 7th June 2007. Because Councillor Davies got to councillor Wales before you, you stood shoulder and backside pushing councillor Davies towards councillor Wales's face. Hats off to councillor Davies who totally ignored you treating you with contempt. Councillor Wales walked away from the situation with a bit of clearly heard effing.

You stood only inches away from councillor Davies's face goading him. Again councillor Davies diplomatically did not react. Councillor Wales did eventually say 'pack it in you two' at which you obeyed your master.

Not being content with this outcome you retreated outside of the hall and waited, what for I know not. I spoke to you about the proposed sites to be sold off to the Pembrokeshire Housing Association. Whilst talking to you, both councillor Calver & Davies drove past on their way
home. I know you saw them. A short while later councillor Wales drove past on his way home. You then called out to some ladies talking to my husband and said 'come on they're going after Tony', with that you ran to you car and Mrs Gourley ran to your front passenger seat, what was intended is beyond me. Mrs G called to her daughter ' get the car' at which point everybody disbursed. John and I strolled to our car and duly went home.

When the meeting was reconvened on the 11th of June I was relieved that councillor Wales didn't arrive on crutches or in plaster.

In conclusion I have every sympathy with the residents of Skrinkle of the proposed loss of open grassed areas, but however I fail to understand why they hold councillor Calver responsible, he is not the Pembrokeshire County Council . One protester at that meeting yelled at councillor Calver 'its no laughing matter', I could not see councillor Calver's face, however I turned and saw the obvious delight on yours. As always when you attend meetings you tend to sit at the back of the hall in direct line to the chairman. Not wishing to be facetious you reminded me of Gotama Buddha, minus the wisdom and enlightenment.

I will sign off now accepting that I now have joined the ranks of those who need to WATCH THEIR BACKS.

At last a real name.
Indeed I do know Mrs Tew. An ardent Calver fan.
When a group of concerned residents turned up to make representations to the Council on June 7th and accused Councillor Calver of lying, promptly turned round to defend the Councillor because she did not like the truth and called them a mob and what they were doing was mob rule. But when Councillor Calver almost brought one mother to tears by his sarcastic and insensitive comments about her children she just looked at the lady and smiled. I could defend myself against her accusations but she will probably dream up more and then I would be falling into the trap of letting her muddy the waters and steering away from the issue.
Mrs Tew why dont you stick to the issue and Defend Councillor Calvers lies at that meeting.
You know he was pushed several times on the question of when he was first aware of the proposed development, he said six weeks prior to the meeting on June 7th 07 the letter to him from PCC printed above which I will be pleased to show you a copy of at the next meeting is clearly dated April 06. He lied to his fellow councillors but more importantly to the members of the public he was elected to serve.
Mrs Tew as you have attended all these meeting you will also know the Ex-clerk and/or her husband Councillor Martin Davies with held the mail addressed to Manorbier Community Council. This was from March 06 for a number of months until the police retrieved the mail, so clearly the Community Council could not have received the copied letter that was addressed to Councillor Calver. Or are you going to say I am making that up as well.
Defend Councillor Calver if you can Mrs Tew but thank you for at least having the decency to display your real name to the readers.

Now who supports who, maybe is of interest to some but for me all I need is the facts.

The goings on as outlined by the councillor Cochrane would suggest that a radical shake up is necessary in his community council. So far we have seen police involvement, claims of perjury, stabbing in the back, extravagance in the cost of failed court cases, police investigating fraud, the chairman spending his life on the case involving two councillors who had to resign and his refusal to attend a meeting on the topic and I've just been told their accounts are all shot to bits. What will come next?

If this were a normal firm or enterprise heads would have been rolling down to the beach by now, but not a thing is done. What do the regulators have to say about it all. Nothing. Who are the regulators, could it be the County Council? Shouldn't there be a body to protect the average upright citizen who goes about his business, and pays his taxes, from the horrific goings on in Manorbier. Comparison with the Village of Dibley, a comedy series on the BBC, has been made with the shambolic happenings under the current stewardships of the council but this is no laughing matter. More something to cry over, like £22,000 of local funds wasted. With no harmony, no clerk, no progress, no accounting for the spending and no direction the chairman says don't be put off from serving your community. Well I'm told there are now some new councillors, three and newly elected to serve the people, but the old school still remains and the leadership never seems to. Indeed should the word be leadership for I'm told its more of a dictatorship. Can the normally expected civilised smoother path be followed or achieved once again? Can some acceptable standards be met? It would also seem that if the public do ask questions its considered reprehensible and met with hostility. Nothing like keeping the people informed there then.

Many thanks have to be given to manorbier.com who, maybe biased, does tell us something of what's going on and peeps behind the official records to reveal more of what was actually said at the so called meeting they are supposed to have. Why should anybody wish to get involved?

Now its been said that a former chairman, the then councillor Morgan, was responsible for the JUDP outline map and plans to include land at Skrinkle for additional housing. This came from the current chairman. Was it intended to take the heat off someone?. All that has happened is the flames have had petrol thrown on to them and given rise to some considerable spleen venting on these pages.

Oh to say 'RIP Manorbier Community Council', perhaps the only real solution.


I have relatives in Manorbier and they, like myself, can't believe the goings on in this otherwise beautiful spot on Gods earth. If there is someone or a body, able to control, influence or regulate that Council and restore it to some semblance of normality do please come forward and take action and in so doing help that community.

Thanks Ashton G, I've just looked again at the website you quoted. Did you notice the item about the council and councillors at Manorbier being sued for £350,000 by the lady who runs ICT Marketing of Haverfordwest. Looks like that saga will run and run. I also watch with some regularity the oldgrumpy.co.uk website put out by a county councillor for the Milford area. Clearly he has some good insight to things as his last offering made reference to Manorbier but he restrained himself from repetition of the comments for legal reasons. Both being stabbed in the back by fellow councillors going against the defence by the council and their acting clerk going to the police with allegations of perjury have to be far stronger stuff than the fiasco over the PCC disposing of surplus land and offering it for affordable housing to a housing association.

The verbal slagging matches there could become a village sport, parochial, but unlikely to be adopted elsewhere. Maybe with big score boards as you enter the village. Calver Isolationists 1, Cochrane Cronies 2. Next Home Match, First Thursday in July at the Village Community Centre. With unauthorised commentary by sitter Wales and his three councillors. They also have a community council meeting afterwards or is it the same thing?.

Councillor Cochrane might eventually let things rest and his view might well be compromised but you can't claim a view in property law. That might blow his fuse but its a planning matter and the planners seem to do a good job.

However you might like to consider the next catastrophe their council will encounter, my money is on the Lady from ICT. If anybody out there knows otherwise lets here it.

I have spent the last half an hour reading this forum, after a neighbour told be about it. I would like to make a point.
Chas Cochrane is not a Community Councillor.
There were a few vacancies in the past month or so, but Chas did not put himself forward to become a Community Councillor for Manorbier.
Instead, he is clearly being controlled by others on the council and if he became a councillor, it would make it impossible for him the throw accusations at County Calver. Instead, he chooses not to offer his help to the community he lives in. He knows that he would have very little chance of being elected anyway, as he has burnt his bridges with most of us living here.
His constant ranting and posturing have worn us all down over the years. It's a wonder he doesn't suffer from depression, having to live with himself.

Sir

Through your pages may I make an observation. The papers carry articles on the community councils of areas, such as Saundersfoot, Penally and beyond. Here in Manorbier it seems we are not expected to know anything about our apparently totally disjointed council. At one time there was a Newsletter but its now defunct. There used to be some write up about the monthly meeting in the press but no longer. So why are we kept in the dark. What is it they wish to hide from us. It was only through word of mouth we learned of the council spending £22,000 in defending a charge of not paying a bill for £4,000. One website offers an insight to the way the council work and that tries to lift the lid off things and expose them. BUT why can't the council itself have the courtesy to let the charge payers know what is happening. In our household we consider that £22,000 spent as being ridiculous and no vote will ever be given to any of those that orchestrated those events. Just think what could have been done with that order of sum. And look at the legacy its left behind, council resignations of very long standing and dedicated councillors, accusations of perjury and of the council being stabbed in the back. There is no Clerk, nothing is ever completed and topics are raised once then never appear again, no follow ups, no actions completed. We are even told that the council and councillors could be sued for hundreds of thousands and this from the lady who undertook to work for the council, who was not paid, who produced a report the council have never discussed and overall involved in a survey project that must have cost us, the tax payers, near to £26,000 to £28,000 so far and that project still is not completed some five years after it all started.

Why not sprinkle a little tolerance around at Skrinkle.
Why not give the council some counselling.
Why not stop all these letters that demonizes people
Why not look for the good that is in everyone.
Why not?

I stumbled into this site when looking at the Western Telegraph website, found an article about a policeman and then clicked onto the wrong item. With this letter about housing my interest were roused as our children, both local in Pembrokeshire can't find reasonable accommodation and will rely on the Pembrokeshire Housing Authority to offer something. Manorbier is nice area and we fully understand the desire for local people there to have relatives nearby. The housing stock in Manorbier, or rather in the Skrinkle part of Manorbier, not the village, is mainly a legacy of the War Department but now adopted by the PCC with both council and private properties. Additional buildings have been added and the pressure to add more in the general area will not be going away. Some of the letters on this site fail to add to the discussion and I agree with the Helen lady who pointed out the contrast between the chairman of the council's views and that of his alleged party allegiance.

Housing is becoming a very grave problem in the UK and Wales has also to address the issue. Pembrokeshire has its problems and the county councillor Calver hit the nail on the head when the stated more land is needed for homes. Why the Western Telegraph decided to cut this bit of his letter away I don't understand as it's the real issue. I also agree with Brenda Davies, her comments hit the right notes.

It sounds as if councillor chairman Wales is one of the affluent socialists who can afford these ideas but excludes himself from them. Is this the same failed businessman who was Wales in the local waste business, got wasted and then got into politics. Touch of the type who worked in the coal industry and only got near to the pit head. Not real workers, never at the coal face, yet he knows it all. Socialist my Arse. Opportunist if you ask me. He supports the Tourist Industry but is down on a local accommodation provider. That smacks of jealousy. Just what is he up to? Certainly not getting votes by his current antics. Say NO to new Tony!

Sorry about that but some of us worked for a living. What does that man Wales do?
As for the Cochrane contribution, who needs anything like that?

A good read, but ever so sad for the local people.

It appears that Tony Wales hasn't changed a bit then, using others to do his bidding and costing tax payers thousands.
Running Manorbier Council, he has cost them tens of thousands in legal costs. When his waste business hit the buffers, he abandoned his yard and left the council to clean it up. The land was contaminated by his waste business activities and it cost the county council tens of thousands of pounds to clean it up. I know, because I was involved. Needless to say, he is not thought of very well in county hall.
Besides that, there is a shortage of housing that needs to be sorted out. Houses have to be built somewhere, why not on an existing housing estate with spare capacity? No one is entitled to a view, so that is not a legitimate reason for planning refusal.
Build the houses and welcome the new inhabitants into the community. By the sounds of it, Manorbier could do with some new blood.

I have read all the letters and correct me if I am wrong but where does it say Councillor Wales and C. Cochrane are against the housing. I cant find it, the issue appears to me to be about Councillor Calver lying to the paper and the public. Surely they have a right to bring it to the attention of the public who read the article if Councillor Calver is indeed lying.

Thanks Billy its good to know that at least two people are in favour of new homes for us. With these two behind the scheme perhaps nothing will go wrong. Please may they give their support to the planning people at the appropriate time.

If the county councillor has also given his blessing maybe the reason he will say little now is that his views have been given to another body and to give voice at a community level would be wrong. It would be interesting to know if he declares an interest and does not vote in that forum.

If indeed the councillors Wales and Cochrane are in favour, and the comments are from real people, both should be considered as being for the homeless irrespective of their politics.

There is clearly a pattern here. C. Cochrane posts his comments late in the evening/early hours of the morning. Here are some examples -

Posted by: C. Cochrane, manorbier on 11:44pm Mon 4 Jun 07
Posted by: C.Cochrane, manorbier on 1:02am Tue 5 Jun 07
Posted by: C.Cochrane, Manorbier on 11:51pm Fri 15 Jun 07
Posted by: C.Cochrane, manorbier on 11:19pm Mon 18 Jun 07
Posted by: C. Cochrane, manorbier on 12:55am Sat 23 Jun 07
Posted by: C. Cochrane, Manorbier on 11:20pm Sat 23 Jun 07

Now "Billy" has entered the forum, with a post designed to say that C. Cochrane and Councillor Wales do actually support the proposed development. Billy posted at -

Posted by: Billy, Manorbier on 11:06pm Sun 24 Jun 07

Nice try Mr. Cochrane. Trying to distance yourself from the issue by using an alias is poor form. Thought you said you were big enough to put your name to your comments. Billy, Billy Liar.

Village council faces £300k claim

Taken from the BBC News website.

A community council that spent more than its annual income unsuccessfully defending a court case is now facing a claim for damages of up to £300,000.
Manorbier Council in Pembrokeshire was taken to court by a local marketing firm over a £4,600 unpaid bill.
It spent around £18,000 fighting the claim but a judge ruled it must pay up.
The firm's owner claims the council has damaged her reputation and cost her business. A spokesman for the council said it was considering the matter.
Meanwhile, since the result of the court case, three of Manorbier's 10 councillors have resigned, although the council said the resignations "were not necessarily linked" to the hearing.
The council has also made a complaint of perjury to police against a number of individuals.
(The case) has resulted in considerable emotional anxiety and financial loss to me personally Debbie Garside ICT Marketing
Haverfordwest-based ICT Marketing Ltd submitted a bill in 2005 for £4,600 for a report it produced, based on a community survey.
Councillors voted to contest the bill but earlier this year a judge sitting at Haverfordwest County Court found in the marketing company's favour.
On top of the £18,000 the council spent on legal fees it was ordered to pay the £4,600 plus £700 in interest.
The company's managing director Debbie Garside has now informed the council she intends to pursue further legal action.
In a letter she said: "I will be making a claim for damages for defamation by Manorbier Community Council as a body as well as individual councillors.
"A claim will take the form of damages to both my personal reputation and that of ICT Marketing Ltd which has resulted in a considerable lack of business to ICT Marketing as well as emotional anxiety and financial loss to me personally."
She said she was considering a claim of £250,000 for loss of business and £50,000 for damage to her personal reputation.
Ms Garside added she was prepared to enter into negotiations to resolve the matter and gave the council two weeks to respond.
Council officer Clive Needs said: "At this point the council is considering the matter."

A spokeswoman for Dyfed-Powys Police said the force had received complaints of perjury against a number of individuals and the matter was being "evaluated".

All these nameless wonders calling me names and making all these accusations, and for what?
To try and sidetrack from the real issue:-
DID COUNCILLOR CALVER LIE?
THE ANSWER IS YES AND NOT ONE PERSON CAN OR HAS DEFENDED THAT STATEMENT
So lets go back to the issue, if any of the nameless wonders are capable of that, or are all the nameless wonders mainly 1 person !
Has anyone anything constructive to say to defend Councillor Calver about the lies he has told?
No I thought not, just the usual garbage from from nameless lost souls who cannot defend the lies the Councillor told.
Remember the councillor stated he kept the Community Council Council updated and used the term "at Meetings" that is plural so can we have some dates in the plural please, I doubt it!

The cost of watching sky TV £35 per month.

The cost of watching films at the cinema £40 per month.

The cost of reading a daily newspaper 12.60 per month.

For all the above you can use your credit card.

Cost of watching the tribunal for the alleged unfair dismissal of the former clerk to Manorbier Community Council.

PRICELESS!!!! free and enlightening.
Is Mr Calver guilty of more lies????