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Should Hall step down?
Following Councillor Brian Hall' s appearance before standards committee earlier this month, his fellow county councillors are now calling for the member for transport and the environment to be removed from cabinet.
The committee met to consider an ombudsman's report which concluded that, by making threats against a BBC journalist, Cllr Hall had been in breach of the council's code of conduct.
The threats were made at a BBC reception in 2005, that Cllr Hall maintained he had not attended in an official capacity despite claiming travelling expenses.
During the function Cllr Hall was overheard saying that if the journalist ever went to Ireland he would not be coming back and that he had friends in Ireland who could break the reporter's arms and legs.
Cllr Hall has always admitted to making the comments but said that they were said in jest.
Cllr Hall was represented in front of the standards committee by top London lawyer, Tony Child. Mr Child hasn't lost a case in 20 years and is rumoured to cost £2,000 a day.
He famously represented Ken Livingston in the High court, when Justice Collins overturned the Adjudication Panel for England's verdict that the Mayor of London had brought his office into disrepute by likening a Jewish journalist to a Nazi camp guard.
Mr Child argued that the Hall case was making "much ado about very little" and that Cllr Hall was simply excessing his right to freedom of speech which is the "foundation of our freedom" and the "lifeblood of democracy".
After hours of deliberation the standards committee decided that, although Cllr Hall's behaviour was "very reprehensible" they were not satisfied that the actions were those of Brian Hall the councillor, rather than Brian Hall the man and therefore were not convinced that it had bought his office into repute.
Last Friday leaders of the county council's three main political parties - Labour's Sue Perkins, Plaid Cymru's Mike Williams and Lib Dem's Toiny Brinsden signed a notice of motion calling for Cllr hall to be removed from cabinet and other outside bodies.
The notice of motion will now be put before the full council on March 1st and several questions concerning Cllr Hall's claim of expenses to attend a function as a private individual are also expected to be submitted.
"The standards committee described his behaviour as reprehensible," said Cllr Perkins. "And I think his conduct in the past has proven beyond doubt that he should not be a cabinet member and should not represent Pembrokeshire County Council on outside bodies - namely the Mid and West Wales Fire Authority.
"It was stated that he attended the BBC function in a private capacity, yet he claimed expenses, and it was to my knowledge that I cannot claim expenses for private functions."
Cllr Perkins added that she hoped that other councillors would back the notice of motion at the meeting.
Do you think Cllr Hall should resign or be removed from cabinet? Should an elected representative's right to freedom of speech extend to their being able to make threats against someone's physical safety?
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4:09pm Tuesday 13th February 2007
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CommentPosted by: Beryl Davies, Milford Haven on 10:54pm Tue 13 Feb 07
The behaviour of this cabinet member is appalling, It has damaged the reputation of the Council and of Pembrokeshire. He should not be allowed to represent us and to make decisions. If I had made a threat to someone in public or had discrepancies in my mileage claims I am sure the Police would be knocking on my door. He should definitely be made to step down.
The behaviour of this cabinet member is appalling, It has damaged the reputation of the Council and of Pembrokeshire. He should not be allowed to represent us and to make decisions. If I had made a threat to someone in public or had discrepancies in my mileage claims I am sure the Police would be knocking on my door. He should definitely be made to step down.
Posted by: Andrew Mullis, Solva on 12:06pm Wed 14 Feb 07
It seems to me that whatever happens to Hall - and I would fully support his removal - the standards committee should be re-staffed. Did "Hall the councillor" or "Hall the man" submit an expenses claim for a function he attended as Hall the man (ie "in a private capacity")? If this issue is too confusing for the committee then find some people who are not so easily bamboozled.
It seems to me that whatever happens to Hall - and I would fully support his removal - the standards committee should be re-staffed. Did "Hall the councillor" or "Hall the man" submit an expenses claim for a function he attended as Hall the man (ie "in a private capacity")? If this issue is too confusing for the committee then find some people who are not so easily bamboozled.
Posted by: Martin Lewis, Neyland on 12:10pm Wed 14 Feb 07
[bold]This man is a disgrace to the Council, the people he represents and his family. He has stolen from the people of this county via his fraudulent expenses claims which the council refuse to act upon even though there is substantial tangible evidence making those protecting him as corrupt as him. He is responsible for the cutting of fire fighting cover in our county at a time when risks are escalated due to the construction of the LNG site. The man has far too much power for a Councillor whom only just over 300 people cast a vote for in the last election and who has proven time and time again not to be acting in the best interests of the people of this county, indeed, treating the very people he is supposed to be acting on behalf of with utter contempt. This from the man so unpopular in his own home ward in Pennar that he had to stand for election in another Ward, Pembroke Dock Market.[/bold]
This man is a disgrace to the Council, the people he represents and his family. He has stolen from the people of this county via his fraudulent expenses claims which the council refuse to act upon even though there is substantial tangible evidence making those protecting him as corrupt as him. He is responsible for the cutting of fire fighting cover in our county at a time when risks are escalated due to the construction of the LNG site. The man has far too much power for a Councillor whom only just over 300 people cast a vote for in the last election and who has proven time and time again not to be acting in the best interests of the people of this county, indeed, treating the very people he is supposed to be acting on behalf of with utter contempt. This from the man so unpopular in his own home ward in Pennar that he had to stand for election in another Ward, Pembroke Dock Market. Posted by: Martin Lewis, Neyland on 12:18pm Wed 14 Feb 07
How utterly contemptible that his expensive defense lawyer (alledgedly funded by a 3rd party) can literally frighten the standards committee into arriving at such a [bold]gutless[/bold] decision. He WAS there in the capacity of Councillor and therefore his remarks were made in the same capacity. How dare the Council expect the people of this county to believe any different. To say his comments were only a joke is unbelieveable in the extreme. Brian Hall is the joke and the butt of the joke are the people of this county who have to suffer his lies, deceit contempt and fraudulent expenses claims.
How utterly contemptible that his expensive defense lawyer (alledgedly funded by a 3rd party) can literally frighten the standards committee into arriving at such a
gutless decision. He WAS there in the capacity of Councillor and therefore his remarks were made in the same capacity. How dare the Council expect the people of this county to believe any different. To say his comments were only a joke is unbelieveable in the extreme. Brian Hall is the joke and the butt of the joke are the people of this county who have to suffer his lies, deceit contempt and fraudulent expenses claims.
Posted by: K.Forster., haverfordwest on 1:37pm Wed 14 Feb 07
Yes he should step down he is a nasty piece of work,if he had been threatened by anyone he would run like a little boy to the police, a bully like a leopard dont lose his spots even after being rained upon.
Yes he should step down he is a nasty piece of work,if he had been threatened by anyone he would run like a little boy to the police, a bully like a leopard dont lose his spots even after being rained upon.
Posted by: cecil, pennar on 1:37pm Wed 14 Feb 07
councillor hall should be left alone.
councillor hall should be left alone.
Posted by: Martin Lewis, Neyland on 1:48pm Wed 14 Feb 07
Yes, I agree Cecil, left alone.....on a melting ice cap :-)
Yes, I agree Cecil, left alone.....on a melting ice cap :-)
Posted by: cecil on 1:52pm Wed 14 Feb 07
he has been cleared by the council so that should be an end to it.
he has been cleared by the council so that should be an end to it.
Posted by: Martin Lewis, Neyland on 2:31pm Wed 14 Feb 07
Oh no is shouldn't. There are too many other cases to be answered by him such as fraudulent expenses claims for a start!
Oh no is shouldn't. There are too many other cases to be answered by him such as fraudulent expenses claims for a start!
Posted by: Janet Jenkins, Fishguard on 3:24pm Wed 14 Feb 07
Cllr Hall is a bully and showed his colours as far back as 1997, when he slapped a leaflet into the face of an O.A P.and pushed her hard against the door of Cambria house (whilst a protest against the closure of Hillside was going on)It was reported in the press, and further action should have been taken then.
Cllr Hall is a bully and showed his colours as far back as 1997, when he slapped a leaflet into the face of an O.A P.and pushed her hard against the door of Cambria house (whilst a protest against the closure of Hillside was going on)It was reported in the press, and further action should have been taken then.
Posted by: tim mcmahon, pennar on 4:13pm Wed 14 Feb 07
Councillor Hall(hopefully soon to be mister not councillor) has let his position,the county,voters and paramountly himself down.There again he is so immersed in his own importance that he probably cannot see the wood for the trees!This is not a one-off scenario of bully-boy tactics by this 'man'.Democracy is a powerful personal right and Mr.Hall betrayed this conception as well.Go before you are pushed(and that is a threat) I leave them up to this unbeleivable hypocrite.
Councillor Hall(hopefully soon to be mister not councillor) has let his position,the county,voters and paramountly himself down.There again he is so immersed in his own importance that he probably cannot see the wood for the trees!This is not a one-off scenario of bully-boy tactics by this 'man'.Democracy is a powerful personal right and Mr.Hall betrayed this conception as well.Go before you are pushed(and that is a threat) I leave them up to this unbeleivable hypocrite.
Posted by: tim mcmahon on 4:19pm Wed 14 Feb 07
My message of 4-13pm today omitted the word "not" after 'and that is(not) a threat,Iam not into threatening people like others!
My message of 4-13pm today omitted the word "not" after 'and that is(not) a threat,Iam not into threatening people like others!
Posted by: al, Kilgetty on 6:52pm Wed 14 Feb 07
I finf it quite staggering that John Davies who stated " I will ensure the highest ethical standards" continues to allow this thug in his cabinet. Hall is a disgrace to the county, and outsiders wonder how on earth we allow this disgraceful man to continue representing us Wales wide.He is not alone, the leader himself was guilty of the most blatent abuse of his position over his recent planning application All of these so called independents are the same as Hall, but he is the ultimate coward.
I finf it quite staggering that John Davies who stated " I will ensure the highest ethical standards" continues to allow this thug in his cabinet. Hall is a disgrace to the county, and outsiders wonder how on earth we allow this disgraceful man to continue representing us Wales wide.He is not alone, the leader himself was guilty of the most blatent abuse of his position over his recent planning application All of these so called independents are the same as Hall, but he is the ultimate coward.
Posted by: Brendan Loughnane, Camrose on 7:15pm Wed 14 Feb 07
nt not before time!).
Posted by: Peter Fowler, Pembroke Dock (Market Ward) on 8:19pm Wed 14 Feb 07
Surely Old Grumpy was right all along! I think Old Man Stoddart deserves a formal apology in open Council for the contemptable manner with which they have tried to discredit him. At last Olg Grumpy's claims WILL be upheld.
Good on ya Mike. This bully has abused his position here once too often.
Surely Old Grumpy was right all along! I think Old Man Stoddart deserves a formal apology in open Council for the contemptable manner with which they have tried to discredit him. At last Olg Grumpy's claims WILL be upheld.
Good on ya Mike. This bully has abused his position here once too often.
Posted by: Martin Lewis, Neyland on 8:34pm Wed 14 Feb 07
Hear hear!! Old Grumpy deserves a knighthood for his 'silent' services to outing the hypocrites' fraudulent expenses claims et al! Anyone who is in any doubt should visit [bold]www.oldgrumpy.co.uk[/bold] the website they tried several times to take off the internet in a most cowardly way!
Hear hear!! Old Grumpy deserves a knighthood for his 'silent' services to outing the hypocrites' fraudulent expenses claims et al! Anyone who is in any doubt should visit
www.oldgrumpy.co.uk the website they tried several times to take off the internet in a most cowardly way!
Posted by: daniel gillespie, fishguard in pembrokeshire on 11:09am Thu 15 Feb 07
janet jenkins is 100% right. cllr hall has proved time and again he is a bully and acts only in his own interests not in the interests of the people of this county. i have signed a petition calling for his resignation. VISIT :
WWW.PETITIONONLINE.COM/BRIANHAL/PETITION.HTML
to sign this petition calling for his resignation or sacking.
janet jenkins is 100% right. cllr hall has proved time and again he is a bully and acts only in his own interests not in the interests of the people of this county. i have signed a petition calling for his resignation. VISIT :
WWW.PETITIONONLINE.COM/BRIANHAL/PETITION.HTML
to sign this petition calling for his resignation or sacking.
Posted by: Gill, Saundersfoot on 11:18am Thu 15 Feb 07
I would like to register my support for Mr Hall, he supported the Tenby Scouts and Guides in getting planning for a new hall after years of fundraising and applications for grants failed. Unlike their local councillor who came forward only to object to the planning and suggest a grant route at the eleventh hour. Mr Hall may have a brusque manner but his heart is in the right place he works for the people of Pembrokeshire not to further his own political agenda.We need more councillors like him.
I would like to register my support for Mr Hall, he supported the Tenby Scouts and Guides in getting planning for a new hall after years of fundraising and applications for grants failed. Unlike their local councillor who came forward only to object to the planning and suggest a grant route at the eleventh hour. Mr Hall may have a brusque manner but his heart is in the right place he works for the people of Pembrokeshire not to further his own political agenda.We need more councillors like him.
Posted by: daniel gillespie, fishguard on 11:19am Thu 15 Feb 07
the address for the petition is:
http://www.petitiononline.com/brianhal/petition.html
it doesn't work in capital letters apparently. please spread the word to your friends and families.
danny
the address for the petition is:
http://www.petitiononline.com/brianhal/petition.html
it doesn't work in capital letters apparently. please spread the word to your friends and families.
danny
Posted by: ian campbell, pembroke on 11:41am Thu 15 Feb 07
Over the years I have been told of other alleged assaults by Hall on people at planning meetings after the session, once before to induce another councilor to with draw his objections. He operates by bluster and bullying which have no place in local government. He must go.
Over the years I have been told of other alleged assaults by Hall on people at planning meetings after the session, once before to induce another councilor to with draw his objections. He operates by bluster and bullying which have no place in local government. He must go.
Posted by: Mike, Pembroke on 12:31pm Thu 15 Feb 07
Brian Hall has always gone out of his way to help the ordinary people of Pembrokeshire when after "hours of deliberation" people with the full facts found that he had not brought his office into disrepute then that should be an end of it. Get back to constructive work for the county councillors and leave this man alone. This protest smacks of an orchestrated attack by political enemies not for the benefit of the majority of the population of Pembrokeshire
Brian Hall has always gone out of his way to help the ordinary people of Pembrokeshire when after "hours of deliberation" people with the full facts found that he had not brought his office into disrepute then that should be an end of it. Get back to constructive work for the county councillors and leave this man alone. This protest smacks of an orchestrated attack by political enemies not for the benefit of the majority of the population of Pembrokeshire
Posted by: anon, fishguard on 1:42pm Thu 15 Feb 07
he didn't bring his office into disrepute because he was there as an individual????
he claimed expenses from PCC to BE THERE. that makes him there in an official capacity to people with a normal working brain. either that or he's claimed the expenses fraudulently and should be sacked anyway!
pea brain.
he didn't bring his office into disrepute because he was there as an individual????
he claimed expenses from PCC to BE THERE. that makes him there in an official capacity to people with a normal working brain. either that or he's claimed the expenses fraudulently and should be sacked anyway!
pea brain.
Posted by: Mrs M Barker, Johnston on 2:50pm Thu 15 Feb 07
Cllr. Hall has shown himself to be unfit to be a Council member, let alone be a Cabinet Member and representative on external committees. If he had any sense of honour, he would resign his seat on the council.(Fat chance!). If John Davies lacks the courage to sack Cllr. Hall, he is not fit to be Leader.
Cllr. Hall has shown himself to be unfit to be a Council member, let alone be a Cabinet Member and representative on external committees. If he had any sense of honour, he would resign his seat on the council.(Fat chance!). If John Davies lacks the courage to sack Cllr. Hall, he is not fit to be Leader.
Posted by: d morgan, pembroke on 3:07pm Thu 15 Feb 07
i have lived in pembroke and p. dock all my life ive always known him to be a bully i was surprised he got to be a councillor and as for his expenses they have been called into question before i think they should all be looked at he was the second highest claimed last year and as for his explanation that it was said in jest is an insult to my intelligence i would like to see an investigation of all his expenses.
i have lived in pembroke and p. dock all my life ive always known him to be a bully i was surprised he got to be a councillor and as for his expenses they have been called into question before i think they should all be looked at he was the second highest claimed last year and as for his explanation that it was said in jest is an insult to my intelligence i would like to see an investigation of all his expenses.
Posted by: Conrad Bryant, Neyland on 3:26pm Thu 15 Feb 07
Cllr. Hal is a senior representative of the Pembrokeshire County Council and all of the residents living in Pembrokeshire. He does our reputation much harm. Certainly he should be removed from the council cabinet and if he had honour he would stand down and fight a bye election.
As a former Council Treasurer I can assure people that in the past councilors were not allowed to claim expenses for private visits. Then it was a very serious offence. If it is no longer an offence then standards have dropped that low that all councils should be abolished.
Conrad Bryant
Cllr. Hal is a senior representative of the Pembrokeshire County Council and all of the residents living in Pembrokeshire. He does our reputation much harm. Certainly he should be removed from the council cabinet and if he had honour he would stand down and fight a bye election.
As a former Council Treasurer I can assure people that in the past councilors were not allowed to claim expenses for private visits. Then it was a very serious offence. If it is no longer an offence then standards have dropped that low that all councils should be abolished.
Conrad Bryant
Posted by: Richard Harris, Milford on 5:09pm Thu 15 Feb 07
Where is John Davies? Why is he being allowed to say nothing? As leader, he has to back Hall and say why, or get rid of him (if, in reality, he has the power). The prime responsibility for responding to public anger at Brian Hall's antics lies with John Davies. By choosing to say and do nothing, he is effectively condoning Cllr Hall's behaviour, and if Cllr Hall is allowed to get away with threatening to have people killed, what does he have to do before someone (ie, Bryn) finally reins him in?
Where is John Davies? Why is he being allowed to say nothing? As leader, he has to back Hall and say why, or get rid of him (if, in reality, he has the power). The prime responsibility for responding to public anger at Brian Hall's antics lies with John Davies. By choosing to say and do nothing, he is effectively condoning Cllr Hall's behaviour, and if Cllr Hall is allowed to get away with threatening to have people killed, what does he have to do before someone (ie, Bryn) finally reins him in?
Posted by: nicky miller, north pembs on 6:01pm Thu 15 Feb 07
Pembrokeshire people deserve better from the council. Not greedy small-mindedness but truthful responsibility for the world, local and global. From what I have read Brian Hall is a leading example of the former, not what we need.
Pembrokeshire people deserve better from the council. Not greedy small-mindedness but truthful responsibility for the world, local and global. From what I have read Brian Hall is a leading example of the former, not what we need.
Posted by: David Williams, Pembroke Dock on 7:55pm Thu 15 Feb 07
NO HE SHOULD NOT STAND DOWN. Councillor Hall has been cleared by the standards committee. Councillor Hall is a Pembrokeshire man and has always fought for it's best interests. It is time for all who are in office as councillors representing the people of Pembrokeshire to get on with what they were elected for and stop the in fighting.
NO HE SHOULD NOT STAND DOWN. Councillor Hall has been cleared by the standards committee. Councillor Hall is a Pembrokeshire man and has always fought for it's best interests. It is time for all who are in office as councillors representing the people of Pembrokeshire to get on with what they were elected for and stop the in fighting.
Posted by: mike cook, pennar on 9:33pm Thu 15 Feb 07
In Pennar we had the right idea voting Hall out of office. His fraudulent expense claims should be thoroughly investigated. Bryn Parry Jones should make a statement about his friend Hall to say why he thinks he should stay in office after he's bullied people, used threatening behaviour and defrauded the Pembrokeshire taxpayer. Let's hope sense prevails and he's kicked out at the next council election, he's bringing Pembrokeshire into disrepute. We all deserve better!
In Pennar we had the right idea voting Hall out of office. His fraudulent expense claims should be thoroughly investigated. Bryn Parry Jones should make a statement about his friend Hall to say why he thinks he should stay in office after he's bullied people, used threatening behaviour and defrauded the Pembrokeshire taxpayer. Let's hope sense prevails and he's kicked out at the next council election, he's bringing Pembrokeshire into disrepute. We all deserve better!
Posted by: Mr Treowen, pennar on 9:44pm Thu 15 Feb 07
I'm a concerned residunt of Pennar and I think people should be very warey of Mr Hall, after all he knows some very nasty people who can break your arms and legs! I think Mr Hall has a democratik rite to threatun people as his solicitor said 'it's his human rite and freedom of speech'. If he wants to make false travel claims good on him, those fancy london solicitors don't come cheep!he needs all the financial help he can get!
I'm a concerned residunt of Pennar and I think people should be very warey of Mr Hall, after all he knows some very nasty people who can break your arms and legs! I think Mr Hall has a democratik rite to threatun people as his solicitor said 'it's his human rite and freedom of speech'. If he wants to make false travel claims good on him, those fancy london solicitors don't come cheep!he needs all the financial help he can get!
Posted by: Legal Eagle, Pennar on 8:56am Fri 16 Feb 07
BEFORE posting on this subject I would urge you all to visit this website. It is all true, if not why hasn't Hall's flashy, overpriced Solicitor sued Mike Stoddart? Make up your own minds. Hall is guilty as sin and he knows his days are numbered in office.
[bold]http://www.oldgrumpy.co.uk/[/bold]
BEFORE posting on this subject I would urge you all to visit this website. It is all true, if not why hasn't Hall's flashy, overpriced Solicitor sued Mike Stoddart? Make up your own minds. Hall is guilty as sin and he knows his days are numbered in office.
http://www.oldgrumpy.co.uk/ Posted by: Incredulous, Fishguard on 5:21pm Fri 16 Feb 07
It may be necessary to remove him from office but that would be such a shame.
An honourable man would have RESIGNED long ago.
The office of County Councillor is not commended by the actions of either Mr. Hall or his colleagues in the 'Independent Party'.[bold]bold[/bold] [italic]italic[/italic]
It may be necessary to remove him from office but that would be such a shame.
An honourable man would have RESIGNED long ago.
The office of County Councillor is not commended by the actions of either Mr. Hall or his colleagues in the 'Independent Party'.
Posted by: Tony Wales, Manorbier on 8:30pm Fri 16 Feb 07
If I, as a local Community Councillor acted in a similar manner as Cllr Brian Hall and made threats to psychically cause harm to someone and therefore subsequently found myself having to appear in front of the Standards Committee would I be treated in the same way as Cllr Hall - I doubt it.
What I find so extraordinary is the role of Pembrokeshire County Council's own Standards Committee in relation to this matter - according to the Council's own Constitution the Standards Committee function is "To promote and maintain high standards of conduct by members and co-opted members of the County Council and members of all Community Councils in Pembrokeshire"
I would have call into question the integrity of the members of the Standards Committee, were they influenced or pressurised by someone?
I personally think the Standards Committee decision has made a mockery of the Code of Conduct. It's now down to John Davies as Leader of the Council to take action - but I wouldn't hold your breath.
If I, as a local Community Councillor acted in a similar manner as Cllr Brian Hall and made threats to psychically cause harm to someone and therefore subsequently found myself having to appear in front of the Standards Committee would I be treated in the same way as Cllr Hall - I doubt it.
What I find so extraordinary is the role of Pembrokeshire County Council's own Standards Committee in relation to this matter - according to the Council's own Constitution the Standards Committee function is "To promote and maintain high standards of conduct by members and co-opted members of the County Council and members of all Community Councils in Pembrokeshire"
I would have call into question the integrity of the members of the Standards Committee, were they influenced or pressurised by someone?
I personally think the Standards Committee decision has made a mockery of the Code of Conduct. It's now down to John Davies as Leader of the Council to take action - but I wouldn't hold your breath.
Posted by: Mr Heath, Pennar on 7:44pm Sat 17 Feb 07
I wonder why Hall didn't use his heavyweight London Solicitor to stifle Old Grumpy Mike Stoddart himself? Could it be like a true bully, he didn't pick a fight with someone he knew would beat him easily? Don't shoot the messenger. I merely make the point. C'mon Brian, lets see some of that "fighting" spirit you are renowned for and fight back!! I think your days in office are very limited......
I wonder why Hall didn't use his heavyweight London Solicitor to stifle Old Grumpy Mike Stoddart himself? Could it be like a true bully, he didn't pick a fight with someone he knew would beat him easily? Don't shoot the messenger. I merely make the point. C'mon Brian, lets see some of that "fighting" spirit you are renowned for and fight back!! I think your days in office are very limited......
Posted by: Ann Dassen, Penally on 11:53am Sun 18 Feb 07
As a member of Penally Community Council, I have attended many meetings of The Planning and Rights of Way Committee discussing the application for a Tetra Mast 50m away from a Harriet Davis Trust property for severely disabled children. On every occasion Cllr Brian Hall has stood up and introduced inappropriate and badly researched discussion regarding costs of a different application designed to immediately sway fellow Committee Members to approve the application.I have to say that at no time was there any attempt to stop him from those who are either paid or approved to know better. This time his tactics may have backfired on him..so sure was he that fellow councillors "hang on his every word" he called for a recorded vote on the application in June 2006 where the motion to approve the application was lost by 15-5.
Further action suggested by Roger Barrett-Evans (even though decision-making had already passed to The Planning Inspectorate)led to inclusion of this matter in the October meeting. Yet again Brian Hall popped up and had a grand old discussion with Roger Barrett-Evans about the costs of a different case! I suggest that both men knew exactly what they were doing. There followed a highly dubious vote which has resulted in the County paying for a Barrister to sit and say nothing at a Local Public Inquiry, whilst a tiny local charity pays to defend it's very existence.
The whole matter is now being investigated by The Public Services Ombudsman!!
I doubt that Cllr Hall will do the "honourable" thing and resign and I wonder, as a County Councillor, whether he will have to declare who is paying for his London Solicitor???
I truly hope that Cllr. Hall is removed from Cabinet by his fellow Councillors and that they use the "recorded vote" he is so fond of to show the honourable citizens of Pembrokeshire how your County Councillors have voted. There would seem to be a clique amongst both paid Public Servants and a few County Councillors who adapt the rules to suit themselves..the sooner they are rooted out, exposed and removed, the better for democracy and the reputation of our wonderful county!.
As a member of Penally Community Council, I have attended many meetings of The Planning and Rights of Way Committee discussing the application for a Tetra Mast 50m away from a Harriet Davis Trust property for severely disabled children. On every occasion Cllr Brian Hall has stood up and introduced inappropriate and badly researched discussion regarding costs of a different application designed to immediately sway fellow Committee Members to approve the application.I have to say that at no time was there any attempt to stop him from those who are either paid or approved to know better. This time his tactics may have backfired on him..so sure was he that fellow councillors "hang on his every word" he called for a recorded vote on the application in June 2006 where the motion to approve the application was lost by 15-5.
Further action suggested by Roger Barrett-Evans (even though decision-making had already passed to The Planning Inspectorate)led to inclusion of this matter in the October meeting. Yet again Brian Hall popped up and had a grand old discussion with Roger Barrett-Evans about the costs of a different case! I suggest that both men knew exactly what they were doing. There followed a highly dubious vote which has resulted in the County paying for a Barrister to sit and say nothing at a Local Public Inquiry, whilst a tiny local charity pays to defend it's very existence.
The whole matter is now being investigated by The Public Services Ombudsman!!
I doubt that Cllr Hall will do the "honourable" thing and resign and I wonder, as a County Councillor, whether he will have to declare who is paying for his London Solicitor???
I truly hope that Cllr. Hall is removed from Cabinet by his fellow Councillors and that they use the "recorded vote" he is so fond of to show the honourable citizens of Pembrokeshire how your County Councillors have voted. There would seem to be a clique amongst both paid Public Servants and a few County Councillors who adapt the rules to suit themselves..the sooner they are rooted out, exposed and removed, the better for democracy and the reputation of our wonderful county!.
Posted by: TUBAL CAIN, Milford Haven on 3:13pm Sun 18 Feb 07
Could this be the work of the Great Aarchitect of The Universe? Probably not...Hall is not a Freemason. Even they won't have him after this I'm certain. Long live Shibboleth
Could this be the work of the Great Aarchitect of The Universe? Probably not...Hall is not a Freemason. Even they won't have him after this I'm certain. Long live Shibboleth
Posted by: Maureen Christina Powell, Llanion on 3:25pm Sun 18 Feb 07
YES I agree that this man should step down immediately.
He should not be representing the majority of the well-meaning Pembrokeshire folk.
YES I agree that this man should step down immediately.
He should not be representing the majority of the well-meaning Pembrokeshire folk.
Posted by: Tony Wales, Manorbier on 3:46pm Sun 18 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Ann Dassen[/bold] wrote:
As a member of Penally Community Council, I have attended many meetings of The Planning and Rights of Way Committee discussing the application for a Tetra Mast 50m away from a Harriet Davis Trust property for severely disabled children. On every occasion Cllr Brian Hall has stood up and introduced inappropriate and badly researched discussion regarding costs of a different application designed to immediately sway fellow Committee Members to approve the application.I have to say that at no time was there any attempt to stop him from those who are either paid or approved to know better. This time his tactics may have backfired on him..so sure was he that fellow councillors \"hang on his every word\" he called for a recorded vote on the application in June 2006 where the motion to approve the application was lost by 15-5. Further action suggested by Roger Barrett-Evans (even though decision-making had already passed to The Planning Inspectorate)led to inclusion of this matter in the October meeting. Yet again Brian Hall popped up and had a grand old discussion with Roger Barrett-Evans about the costs of a different case! I suggest that both men knew exactly what they were doing. There followed a highly dubious vote which has resulted in the County paying for a Barrister to sit and say nothing at a Local Public Inquiry, whilst a tiny local charity pays to defend it\'s very existence. The whole matter is now being investigated by The Public Services Ombudsman!! I doubt that Cllr Hall will do the \"honourable\" thing and resign and I wonder, as a County Councillor, whether he will have to declare who is paying for his London Solicitor??? I truly hope that Cllr. Hall is removed from Cabinet by his fellow Councillors and that they use the \"recorded vote\" he is so fond of to show the honourable citizens of Pembrokeshire how your County Councillors have voted. There would seem to be a clique amongst both paid Public Servants and a few County Councillors who adapt the rules to suit themselves..the sooner they are rooted out, exposed and removed, the better for democracy and the reputation of our wonderful county!.[/quote] Sorry Anne, There ain't no way that the so-called independent Councillors would want to put their names to a recorded vote - bar the exception of one or two members, the rest wouldn't have the backbone, nor would the leader allow them to do so - perhaps the way forward for the ruling junta is a secret vote?
Ann Dassen wrote:
As a member of Penally Community Council, I have attended many meetings of The Planning and Rights of Way Committee discussing the application for a Tetra Mast 50m away from a Harriet Davis Trust property for severely disabled children. On every occasion Cllr Brian Hall has stood up and introduced inappropriate and badly researched discussion regarding costs of a different application designed to immediately sway fellow Committee Members to approve the application.I have to say that at no time was there any attempt to stop him from those who are either paid or approved to know better. This time his tactics may have backfired on him..so sure was he that fellow councillors \"hang on his every word\" he called for a recorded vote on the application in June 2006 where the motion to approve the application was lost by 15-5. Further action suggested by Roger Barrett-Evans (even though decision-making had already passed to The Planning Inspectorate)led to inclusion of this matter in the October meeting. Yet again Brian Hall popped up and had a grand old discussion with Roger Barrett-Evans about the costs of a different case! I suggest that both men knew exactly what they were doing. There followed a highly dubious vote which has resulted in the County paying for a Barrister to sit and say nothing at a Local Public Inquiry, whilst a tiny local charity pays to defend it\'s very existence. The whole matter is now being investigated by The Public Services Ombudsman!! I doubt that Cllr Hall will do the \"honourable\" thing and resign and I wonder, as a County Councillor, whether he will have to declare who is paying for his London Solicitor??? I truly hope that Cllr. Hall is removed from Cabinet by his fellow Councillors and that they use the \"recorded vote\" he is so fond of to show the honourable citizens of Pembrokeshire how your County Councillors have voted. There would seem to be a clique amongst both paid Public Servants and a few County Councillors who adapt the rules to suit themselves..the sooner they are rooted out, exposed and removed, the better for democracy and the reputation of our wonderful county!.
Sorry Anne, There ain't no way that the so-called independent Councillors would want to put their names to a recorded vote - bar the exception of one or two members, the rest wouldn't have the backbone, nor would the leader allow them to do so - perhaps the way forward for the ruling junta is a secret vote?
Posted by: Ann Dassen, Penally on 4:53pm Sun 18 Feb 07
In response to Tony Wales 3.46 pm above.
Dear Tony,
By one Councillor asking for a recorded vote, maybe once and for all we can weed out the truly bad, the feeble followers and the decent representatives.
By getting publicity for this we can ensure that each County Councillor will have to answer every voter in their ward as to why they voted for/against Cllr Hall.
They will have to decide whether they will have to stand up to the bullies or their constituents next time they vote...I truly believe that some of the Independent Party are very honorable people as we have witnessed in our case. Lets put this to the test and push for a recorded vote. At least we can publish the findings and the voters can decide!!!
In response to Tony Wales 3.46 pm above.
Dear Tony,
By one Councillor asking for a recorded vote, maybe once and for all we can weed out the truly bad, the feeble followers and the decent representatives.
By getting publicity for this we can ensure that each County Councillor will have to answer every voter in their ward as to why they voted for/against Cllr Hall.
They will have to decide whether they will have to stand up to the bullies or their constituents next time they vote...I truly believe that some of the Independent Party are very honorable people as we have witnessed in our case. Lets put this to the test and push for a recorded vote. At least we can publish the findings and the voters can decide!!!
Posted by: Tony Wales, Manorbier on 5:47pm Sun 18 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Ann Dassen[/bold] wrote:
In response to Tony Wales 3.46 pm above. Dear Tony, By one Councillor asking for a recorded vote, maybe once and for all we can weed out the truly bad, the feeble followers and the decent representatives. By getting publicity for this we can ensure that each County Councillor will have to answer every voter in their ward as to why they voted for/against Cllr Hall. They will have to decide whether they will have to stand up to the bullies or their constituents next time they vote...I truly believe that some of the Independent Party are very honorable people as we have witnessed in our case. Lets put this to the test and push for a recorded vote. At least we can publish the findings and the voters can decide!!![/quote] Hi Anne, I do not disagree with what you say it would be a huge step forward in democracy for Pembrokeshire if the so-called Independents had the courage to stand up and ask for a recorded vote - yes your quite right when you say they could then be held accountable on the doorstep come the next election, but let get real and not Kidd ourselves - this is the ruling junta they don't do things in the true democratic way, you have surely witnessed the synronised voting at full Council meetings I will guarantee that they find away round this little problem !! you just wait and see.
Ann Dassen wrote:
In response to Tony Wales 3.46 pm above. Dear Tony, By one Councillor asking for a recorded vote, maybe once and for all we can weed out the truly bad, the feeble followers and the decent representatives. By getting publicity for this we can ensure that each County Councillor will have to answer every voter in their ward as to why they voted for/against Cllr Hall. They will have to decide whether they will have to stand up to the bullies or their constituents next time they vote...I truly believe that some of the Independent Party are very honorable people as we have witnessed in our case. Lets put this to the test and push for a recorded vote. At least we can publish the findings and the voters can decide!!!
Hi Anne, I do not disagree with what you say it would be a huge step forward in democracy for Pembrokeshire if the so-called Independents had the courage to stand up and ask for a recorded vote - yes your quite right when you say they could then be held accountable on the doorstep come the next election, but let get real and not Kidd ourselves - this is the ruling junta they don't do things in the true democratic way, you have surely witnessed the synronised voting at full Council meetings I will guarantee that they find away round this little problem !! you just wait and see.
Posted by: The Wizard of Oz, Pennar Park on 10:35pm Sun 18 Feb 07
Ding Dong the witch is dead. rub your eyes get out of bed! Dind dong the wicked witch is dead
Ding Dong the witch is dead. rub your eyes get out of bed! Dind dong the wicked witch is dead
Posted by: Ben, Pembroke Dock on 9:18am Mon 19 Feb 07
Maybe it is time that his Independant(TORY) friends Stock, Wildman andBryan disowned him. It cant be doing Mrs Burns assembly campaign any good.
As for Kim Il John Cwmbetws, aka The Great Leader, maybe he will put Hall out with the rest of the County Hall rubbish - black bag please, [bold]not for recycling[/bold] !
Maybe it is time that his Independant(TORY) friends Stock, Wildman andBryan disowned him. It cant be doing Mrs Burns assembly campaign any good.
As for Kim Il John Cwmbetws, aka The Great Leader, maybe he will put Hall out with the rest of the County Hall rubbish - black bag please,
not for recycling !
Posted by: S.Doe, Pennar on 9:44am Mon 19 Feb 07
Brian Hall isn't scared to stand up and say what he means, unlike other "yes-men" councillors who say what they think people want to hear and not what they really believe in. I think we should have more people like Brian representing our community as that is who he fights for, I find it refreshing that he isn't scared to upset people with his views. Good on you Brian, long may you carry on.
Brian Hall isn't scared to stand up and say what he means, unlike other "yes-men" councillors who say what they think people want to hear and not what they really believe in. I think we should have more people like Brian representing our community as that is who he fights for, I find it refreshing that he isn't scared to upset people with his views. Good on you Brian, long may you carry on.
Posted by: John Doe on 11:21pm Mon 19 Feb 07
As a community of council tax payers we couldn't afford EVERY councillor to be as crooked with their travelling expenses claims as Brian Hall is. Why does he stand for Pembroke Dock Market when his home ward is Pennar? Because so many of us people in Pennar hate him and his family so much he couldn't even win a local council vote!!! I live in Pennar and know Hall and his family and they are all as arrogant and pig headed as the man himself. He is in local council for his own ambitions and ego only. Brian Hall IS a YES MAN!!! YES...I'll claim expenses for meetings I don't even attend, YES...I'll claim expenses for travelling to/from places I could not physically have been to/come from YES...I only polled just over 300 votes yet I get special allowances to serve on groupls representing the whole of Pembrokeshire and make dangerous cuts to our county's fire services. The guy is going to go by hook or by crook and I will raise a glass on the day it happens and put a pint or two behind the bar for Mike Stoddart. HE'S the kind of Councillor that we need more of, not the likes of cheats (fraudulent travel expenses claims), liars (cuts in fire service served up as intelligence insulting improvements) and hypocrites (ensuring the council business is run to the highest ethical standards) like Brian Hall, John Davies et al.
As a community of council tax payers we couldn't afford EVERY councillor to be as crooked with their travelling expenses claims as Brian Hall is. Why does he stand for Pembroke Dock Market when his home ward is Pennar? Because so many of us people in Pennar hate him and his family so much he couldn't even win a local council vote!!! I live in Pennar and know Hall and his family and they are all as arrogant and pig headed as the man himself. He is in local council for his own ambitions and ego only. Brian Hall IS a YES MAN!!! YES...I'll claim expenses for meetings I don't even attend, YES...I'll claim expenses for travelling to/from places I could not physically have been to/come from YES...I only polled just over 300 votes yet I get special allowances to serve on groupls representing the whole of Pembrokeshire and make dangerous cuts to our county's fire services. The guy is going to go by hook or by crook and I will raise a glass on the day it happens and put a pint or two behind the bar for Mike Stoddart. HE'S the kind of Councillor that we need more of, not the likes of cheats (fraudulent travel expenses claims), liars (cuts in fire service served up as intelligence insulting improvements) and hypocrites (ensuring the council business is run to the highest ethical standards) like Brian Hall, John Davies et al.
Posted by: Gerry Admas, West Belfast on 7:51am Tue 20 Feb 07
Brian
I am appalled that these people are treating you like this! Lets hope none of them ever come across here to Ireland, or Manchester come to think of it especially with your connections. Oh by the way, are we ok to release Dr Ryan from hiding yet? Please advise.
Yours Gerry & the boys
Brian
I am appalled that these people are treating you like this! Lets hope none of them ever come across here to Ireland, or Manchester come to think of it especially with your connections. Oh by the way, are we ok to release Dr Ryan from hiding yet? Please advise.
Yours Gerry & the boys
Posted by: S.Doe, Pennar, Pennar on 9:15am Tue 20 Feb 07
Mike Stoddart wouldn't have the time, he would be far too busy checking everybody elses expense claims. I have lived in Pennar most of my ilfe and I don't hate Brian or his family. Maybe you should do some research of your own before you jump on the bandwagon and join in the witch hunt and see what he has REALLY done for the community. Things that people don't take the time to find out because they are too busy with their own bully friends. Shame on you.
Mike Stoddart wouldn't have the time, he would be far too busy checking everybody elses expense claims. I have lived in Pennar most of my ilfe and I don't hate Brian or his family. Maybe you should do some research of your own before you jump on the bandwagon and join in the witch hunt and see what he has REALLY done for the community. Things that people don't take the time to find out because they are too busy with their own bully friends. Shame on you.
Posted by: Jack Howard, Pennar on 9:46am Tue 20 Feb 07
In answer to S.Does of Pennar (See above) if Hall has done all of the wondrous works that you expouse answer this.....WHY DID THE PEOPLE OF PENNAR VOTE HIM OUT??? When a politcian becomes the story, its time to go!!
In answer to S.Does of Pennar (See above) if Hall has done all of the wondrous works that you expouse answer this.....WHY DID THE PEOPLE OF PENNAR VOTE HIM OUT??? When a politcian becomes the story, its time to go!!
Posted by: Dot Cotton, Eastend of Pennar on 10:21am Tue 20 Feb 07
He kept Pennar in launderettes for a good few years!
He kept Pennar in launderettes for a good few years!
Posted by: Dawn, Wool Shop on 10:31am Tue 20 Feb 07
And he was always welcome in my shop when he came in for a 10p mix.
And he was always welcome in my shop when he came in for a 10p mix.
Posted by: John Doe, Pennar on 12:07pm Tue 20 Feb 07
dawn, i bet he used to ask you for a receipt!!!
gerry and the boys - NO SURRENDER! good to see you put away your guns and surrendered before the going got too tough for you!
dawn, i bet he used to ask you for a receipt!!!
gerry and the boys - NO SURRENDER! good to see you put away your guns and surrendered before the going got too tough for you!
Posted by: Tom, Pembroke Dock on 12:52pm Tue 20 Feb 07
Mr Hall is doing a fine job. why cant everyone just move on and leave him to carry on his good work for the community.
Mr Hall is doing a fine job. why cant everyone just move on and leave him to carry on his good work for the community.
Posted by: John Doe, Pennar on 1:46pm Tue 20 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Tom[/bold] wrote:
Mr Hall is doing a fine job. why cant everyone just move on and leave him to carry on his good work for the community.[/quote] In answer to your question Tom.....Because he is morally unfit to be a Councillor, makes physical threats against people and costs us too much in fraudulent expenses claims.
Next question????
Tom wrote:
Mr Hall is doing a fine job. why cant everyone just move on and leave him to carry on his good work for the community.
In answer to your question Tom.....Because he is morally unfit to be a Councillor, makes physical threats against people and costs us too much in fraudulent expenses claims.
Next question????
Posted by: Tom, Pembroke Dock on 2:00pm Tue 20 Feb 07
John Doe
Havent you got anything better to do
John Doe
Havent you got anything better to do
Posted by: John Doe, Pennar on 3:42pm Tue 20 Feb 07
No, not much, how about you?
No, not much, how about you?
Posted by: mr roberts on 6:15pm Tue 20 Feb 07
mr hall has done a great deal to help pembroke dock and should be left alone now. as the quote goes " good news does,nt sell papers" and all his efforts are forgotten.
mr hall has done a great deal to help pembroke dock and should be left alone now. as the quote goes " good news does,nt sell papers" and all his efforts are forgotten.
Posted by: r. williams, pembroke on 6:25pm Tue 20 Feb 07
people moan about brussels running our country and when we have a man from our town talking our corner they have to moan about that too. GET A LIFE! leave brian hall alone. its a thankless job with nothing but grief from the folk he is trying to help
people moan about brussels running our country and when we have a man from our town talking our corner they have to moan about that too. GET A LIFE! leave brian hall alone. its a thankless job with nothing but grief from the folk he is trying to help
Posted by: S. Doe, Pennar on 6:28pm Tue 20 Feb 07
Hear hear Mr Roberts. I appreciate everything Mr Hall has done for the community and individuals who approach him asking for help, he isn't scared to voice his opinions and stand up and be counted. There are plenty more that agree with me as well.
Hear hear Mr Roberts. I appreciate everything Mr Hall has done for the community and individuals who approach him asking for help, he isn't scared to voice his opinions and stand up and be counted. There are plenty more that agree with me as well.
Posted by: mr davies, pennar on 7:21pm Tue 20 Feb 07
[bold]bold[/bold] [italic]italic[/italic] while on the subject of councillors reprehensible behaviour having recently had experience with another councillor(labour) where the councillor used his position to rally unfounded fear into locals(forgetting to mention he worked for a rival company and a relative of his is married to the son of another rival company owner) without giving myself any opportunity to mitigate i think you should look at your own party representatives and dont throw stones while your standing in a greenhouse.
while on the subject of councillors reprehensible behaviour having recently had experience with another councillor(labour) where the councillor used his position to rally unfounded fear into locals(forgetting to mention he worked for a rival company and a relative of his is married to the son of another rival company owner) without giving myself any opportunity to mitigate i think you should look at your own party representatives and dont throw stones while your standing in a greenhouse.
Posted by: shaun, Pembroke Dock on 8:03pm Tue 20 Feb 07
Without Brian Hall. Pembroke Dock would not exist, over the last 25 years he has served Pembroke Dock Well.
Without Brian Hall. Pembroke Dock would not exist, over the last 25 years he has served Pembroke Dock Well.
Posted by: Peter, Pembroke Dock on 8:10pm Tue 20 Feb 07
Thank God Brian Hall Supports the Local People of Pembroke Dock.
Thank God Brian Hall Supports the Local People of Pembroke Dock.
Posted by: Gary, Pembroke Dock on 8:13pm Tue 20 Feb 07
Local Boy looking after local interests. Keep up the good work Brian
Local Boy looking after local interests. Keep up the good work Brian
Posted by: Pam, Pembroke Dock on 8:16pm Tue 20 Feb 07
Leave Brian alone to do his job, he does well for the people of Pembrokeshire
Leave Brian alone to do his job, he does well for the people of Pembrokeshire
Posted by: Austin, Pembroke Dock on 8:20pm Tue 20 Feb 07
I've lived in Pembroke Dock many many Years and found Clr Hall always approachable and very helpful
I've lived in Pembroke Dock many many Years and found Clr Hall always approachable and very helpful
Posted by: Emma, Pembroke Dock on 8:45pm Tue 20 Feb 07
I have known Brian all of my life and consider him to be a solid dependable person who can be approached on any matter and who will do his utmost to help others. I think he should be left alone to continue his good work within the community.
I have known Brian all of my life and consider him to be a solid dependable person who can be approached on any matter and who will do his utmost to help others. I think he should be left alone to continue his good work within the community.
Posted by: John Doe, Pennar on 11:08pm Tue 20 Feb 07
God, I wonder how long it took Brian to figure out he could make up all those names and post all of those nice comments aboutt himself!!!!!
He's responsible for cutting fire fighting cover in Haverfordwest, the LAST station in the county with 24 hour ready to go cover, in the light of an LNG site being constructed on the haven........Jesus, if that's an example of how he's helping the people of this county then God help us all!!!!!!!
He's a bully boy looking after his own interests first and ripping off the taxpayers of this county : www.oldgrumpy.co.uk for yet more details of his scams this week.
He's indefensible and you people defending him are a joke!
RESIGN RESIGN RESIGN!!!
God, I wonder how long it took Brian to figure out he could make up all those names and post all of those nice comments aboutt himself!!!!!
He's responsible for cutting fire fighting cover in Haverfordwest, the LAST station in the county with 24 hour ready to go cover, in the light of an LNG site being constructed on the haven........Jesus, if that's an example of how he's helping the people of this county then God help us all!!!!!!!
He's a bully boy looking after his own interests first and ripping off the taxpayers of this county : www.oldgrumpy.co.uk for yet more details of his scams this week.
He's indefensible and you people defending him are a joke!
RESIGN RESIGN RESIGN!!!
Posted by: Emma, Pembrokeshire on 11:06am Wed 21 Feb 07
Get off the bandwagon. You're boring me now.
Get off the bandwagon. You're boring me now.
Posted by: Jack Howard, Pennar on 11:30am Wed 21 Feb 07
THE TRUTH HURTS EMMA!!!
Posted by: Emma, Pembroke Dock on 12:04pm Wed 21 Feb 07
Why doesn't everybody just mind their own buisness and get on with their own lives. Maybe you should all take up a hobby and get out a little more often instead of involving yourselves with other peoples buisness. Do you not think that all these personal comments about Brian is bullying? The same thing that most of you are moaning and groaning that Brian supposedly has done. It's a lovely sunny day, go out and get some fresh air to clear you're heads maybe it will give you something else to think about. Instead of involving yourselves in other peoples problems. Here, here Martin Heneghan, I think we should add Jack Howard to the list aswell.
Why doesn't everybody just mind their own buisness and get on with their own lives. Maybe you should all take up a hobby and get out a little more often instead of involving yourselves with other peoples buisness. Do you not think that all these personal comments about Brian is bullying? The same thing that most of you are moaning and groaning that Brian supposedly has done. It's a lovely sunny day, go out and get some fresh air to clear you're heads maybe it will give you something else to think about. Instead of involving yourselves in other peoples problems. Here, here Martin Heneghan, I think we should add Jack Howard to the list aswell.
Posted by: Maud on 12:22pm Wed 21 Feb 07
I really cannot understand some of the above post from people who almost make out that Brian Hall should be canonised. Do these people not read the Mercury (the Telegraph usually stay silent on any of Mr Halls bad behaviour) and Old Grumpy.co.uk? Did you not watch Dragon Eye?
Mr Halls behaviour looks bad for all of us. What must other people in the county think of us to keep voting this man in? OK I have heard people say that they will ask Brian Hall if they want something done but at what expense?
Before some of you post any more messages take a look at Old Grumpys website it is an eye opener.
I really cannot understand some of the above post from people who almost make out that Brian Hall should be canonised. Do these people not read the Mercury (the Telegraph usually stay silent on any of Mr Halls bad behaviour) and Old Grumpy.co.uk? Did you not watch Dragon Eye?
Mr Halls behaviour looks bad for all of us. What must other people in the county think of us to keep voting this man in? OK I have heard people say that they will ask Brian Hall if they want something done but at what expense?
Before some of you post any more messages take a look at Old Grumpys website it is an eye opener.
Posted by: Maud on 12:24pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Mike[/bold] wrote:
Brian Hall has always gone out of his way to help the ordinary people of Pembrokeshire when after \"hours of deliberation\" people with the full facts found that he had not brought his office into disrepute then that should be an end of it. Get back to constructive work for the county councillors and leave this man alone. This protest smacks of an orchestrated attack by political enemies not for the benefit of the majority of the population of Pembrokeshire [/quote] Read Old Grumpy please
Mike wrote:
Brian Hall has always gone out of his way to help the ordinary people of Pembrokeshire when after \"hours of deliberation\" people with the full facts found that he had not brought his office into disrepute then that should be an end of it. Get back to constructive work for the county councillors and leave this man alone. This protest smacks of an orchestrated attack by political enemies not for the benefit of the majority of the population of Pembrokeshire
Read Old Grumpy please
Posted by: Maud on 12:28pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Gary[/bold] wrote:
Local Boy looking after local interests. Keep up the good work Brian[/quote] Or should that read Local Boy looking after his own interests?
Gary wrote:
Local Boy looking after local interests. Keep up the good work Brian
Or should that read Local Boy looking after his own interests?
Posted by: S.W, Ex Pennar on 12:31pm Wed 21 Feb 07
Go Brian! Go Brian! AND He won the Quins carnival every year!
Go Brian! Go Brian! AND He won the Quins carnival every year!
Posted by: dai, pembroke on 12:34pm Wed 21 Feb 07
Maud, just looked at old grumpys website at your request and it appears just to be the ramblings of a deranged old man who freely admits smoking drugs in his column.
Maud, just looked at old grumpys website at your request and it appears just to be the ramblings of a deranged old man who freely admits smoking drugs in his column.
Posted by: Maud on 12:41pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]dai[/bold] wrote:
Maud, just looked at old grumpys website at your request and it appears just to be the ramblings of a deranged old man who freely admits smoking drugs in his column. [/quote] Ahh, but there's no smoke without fire!!!!!
dai wrote:
Maud, just looked at old grumpys website at your request and it appears just to be the ramblings of a deranged old man who freely admits smoking drugs in his column.
Ahh, but there's no smoke without fire!!!!!
Posted by: S.W, Ex Pennar on 12:47pm Wed 21 Feb 07
Shouldn't you be out walking Maud?
Shouldn't you be out walking Maud?
Posted by: Al, hakin on 1:07pm Wed 21 Feb 07
Forget him pocketing our cash with his "imaginative" expense claims. Forget him threatening violence against anyone who gets in his way. [bold]Cllr Hall physically assaulted an elderly, disabled woman on the steps of Cambria House[/bold] . How can anyone defend a man who does that?
Forget him pocketing our cash with his "imaginative" expense claims. Forget him threatening violence against anyone who gets in his way.
Cllr Hall physically assaulted an elderly, disabled woman on the steps of Cambria House . How can anyone defend a man who does that?
Posted by: Mr H Griffiths, Pembroke Dock on 2:21pm Wed 21 Feb 07
I can't belive that the opposition councilors are jumping on the band wagon and wasting tax payers money on this wich hunt for Cllr Hall, if they spent more time helping there constituents and local area's, then they just might get elected as many time's as B hall. Keep up the good work you will still get my vote, as you will many many other I have spoke with in Pembroke Dock.
I can't belive that the opposition councilors are jumping on the band wagon and wasting tax payers money on this wich hunt for Cllr Hall, if they spent more time helping there constituents and local area's, then they just might get elected as many time's as B hall. Keep up the good work you will still get my vote, as you will many many other I have spoke with in Pembroke Dock.
Posted by: Susan on 2:38pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Mr H Griffiths[/bold] wrote:
I can't belive that the opposition councilors are jumping on the band wagon and wasting tax payers money on this wich hunt for Cllr Hall, if they spent more time helping there constituents and local area's, then they just might get elected as many time's as B hall. Keep up the good work you will still get my vote, as you will many many other I have spoke with in Pembroke Dock.[/quote] Could I ask you what good work you are on about?
Mr H Griffiths wrote:
I can't belive that the opposition councilors are jumping on the band wagon and wasting tax payers money on this wich hunt for Cllr Hall, if they spent more time helping there constituents and local area's, then they just might get elected as many time's as B hall. Keep up the good work you will still get my vote, as you will many many other I have spoke with in Pembroke Dock.
Could I ask you what good work you are on about?
Posted by: Al, Hakin on 3:04pm Wed 21 Feb 07
People are expressing their anger that a county councillor, who goes round the UK representing the people of Pembrokeshire, indulges in all manner of disgraceful behaviour, including threatening to have people killed. That is not a witch hunt.
People are expressing their anger that a county councillor, who goes round the UK representing the people of Pembrokeshire, indulges in all manner of disgraceful behaviour, including threatening to have people killed. That is not a witch hunt.
Posted by: Susan on 3:49pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]Jack Howard[/bold] wrote:
THE TRUTH HURTS EMMA!!![/quote] Some people are blind when it comes to the truth.
Jack Howard wrote:
THE TRUTH HURTS EMMA!!!
Some people are blind when it comes to the truth.
Posted by: Susan on 5:05pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]S.Doe, Pennar[/bold] wrote:
Mike Stoddart wouldn't have the time, he would be far too busy checking everybody elses expense claims. I have lived in Pennar most of my ilfe and I don't hate Brian or his family. Maybe you should do some research of your own before you jump on the bandwagon and join in the witch hunt and see what he has REALLY done for the community. Things that people don't take the time to find out because they are too busy with their own bully friends. Shame on you.[/quote] [bold]BUT WHAT HAS HE DONE ?[/bold]
S.Doe, Pennar wrote:
Mike Stoddart wouldn't have the time, he would be far too busy checking everybody elses expense claims. I have lived in Pennar most of my ilfe and I don't hate Brian or his family. Maybe you should do some research of your own before you jump on the bandwagon and join in the witch hunt and see what he has REALLY done for the community. Things that people don't take the time to find out because they are too busy with their own bully friends. Shame on you.
BUT WHAT HAS HE DONE ? Posted by: kiki, pennar on 5:59pm Wed 21 Feb 07
councilor hall has always been a bully and is still trying to bully his way through this problem of expenses and time warp which he used to get from london to pembroke dock to haverfordwest and so to swansea all in 4 hours he should be ceremoniously kicked out of the council and sent to jail for the frauidulent claiming of expences
councilor hall has always been a bully and is still trying to bully his way through this problem of expenses and time warp which he used to get from london to pembroke dock to haverfordwest and so to swansea all in 4 hours he should be ceremoniously kicked out of the council and sent to jail for the frauidulent claiming of expences
Posted by: Mr O. Bin Laden, Afghanistan (maybe) on 7:32pm Wed 21 Feb 07
I know what it's like to be vilified in the media for trying your best in your chosen field. Good on you Bri - if you ever need any support, drop me a line.
I know what it's like to be vilified in the media for trying your best in your chosen field. Good on you Bri - if you ever need any support, drop me a line.
Posted by: Mrs S Davies, Pennar on 7:36pm Wed 21 Feb 07
I live in Pennar and you can ask Brian Hall for any help and he will do all he can,thats we why we vote for him not like all the others . have anybody else not had words with other people and said bad things after.all out of proposion maddness.
I live in Pennar and you can ask Brian Hall for any help and he will do all he can,thats we why we vote for him not like all the others . have anybody else not had words with other people and said bad things after.all out of proposion maddness.
Posted by: Reg, Milford on 7:42pm Wed 21 Feb 07
Clr. Hall should obviously resign after reading the report above. Where are the council chief finance officer and auditors who should scrutinize these expenses claims. Perhaps they should all be investigated to see that they are caring out their duties correctly.
Clr. Hall should obviously resign after reading the report above. Where are the council chief finance officer and auditors who should scrutinize these expenses claims. Perhaps they should all be investigated to see that they are caring out their duties correctly.
Posted by: Mr H Griffiths, PembrokeDock on 7:55pm Wed 21 Feb 07
I find the comments that are made in reply to support for Mr Hall crazy,whats Cllr Soddart done for Milford, all you read is how bad a deal Milford gets and i agree,but you need a Mr Hall for your town to fight for you,so don,t get rid of our's just because yours won,t do anything.millions of pounds of investment to a chipped pavement well done Cllr Hall well done
I find the comments that are made in reply to support for Mr Hall crazy,whats Cllr Soddart done for Milford, all you read is how bad a deal Milford gets and i agree,but you need a Mr Hall for your town to fight for you,so don,t get rid of our's just because yours won,t do anything.millions of pounds of investment to a chipped pavement well done Cllr Hall well done
Posted by: John Doe, Pennar on 8:44pm Wed 21 Feb 07
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EACH OF THE PEOPLE VOICING SUPPORT FOR BRIAN HALL THESE QUESTIONS :
DO YOU CONDONE HIS FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIMS?
DO YOU CONDONE HIS THREATS OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THE DRAGON'S EYE REPORTER?
DO YOU CONDONE HIS PHYSICAL ABUSE OF THE ELDERLY LADY OUTSIDE CAMBRIA HOUSE?
ALSO, MIKE STODDART IS A FINE COUNCILLOR. NOT ONLY HAS HE FOUGHT HARD FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN MILFORD HAVEN, NOT ONLY THAT BUT HE'S VERY VERY CLOSE TO ACHIEVING A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE PEOPLE OF PEMBROKE DOCK....THE REMOVAL OF BRIAN HALL FROM THE COUNCIL.
BRIAN HALL IS SO POPULAR IN PENNAR HE WAS VOTED ***OUT*** AND HAD TO GET ELECTED INTO A DIFFERENT WARD WHERE HE WASN'T SO WELL KNOWN. I VENTURE TO PREDICT IF HE HASN'T BEEN FIRED BY THE NEXT ELECTION THEN HE WILL DEFINATELY LOSE HIS SEAT ANYWAY AND QUITE RIGHTLY SO.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE PEOPLE'S RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS POSED ABOVE, IT MAY WELL TELL US A LOT ABOUT THE CALIBRE OF PERSON THAT VOTES FOR THIS THUG.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EACH OF THE PEOPLE VOICING SUPPORT FOR BRIAN HALL THESE QUESTIONS :
DO YOU CONDONE HIS FRAUDULENT EXPENSES CLAIMS?
DO YOU CONDONE HIS THREATS OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THE DRAGON'S EYE REPORTER?
DO YOU CONDONE HIS PHYSICAL ABUSE OF THE ELDERLY LADY OUTSIDE CAMBRIA HOUSE?
ALSO, MIKE STODDART IS A FINE COUNCILLOR. NOT ONLY HAS HE FOUGHT HARD FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN MILFORD HAVEN, NOT ONLY THAT BUT HE'S VERY VERY CLOSE TO ACHIEVING A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE PEOPLE OF PEMBROKE DOCK....THE REMOVAL OF BRIAN HALL FROM THE COUNCIL.
BRIAN HALL IS SO POPULAR IN PENNAR HE WAS VOTED ***OUT*** AND HAD TO GET ELECTED INTO A DIFFERENT WARD WHERE HE WASN'T SO WELL KNOWN. I VENTURE TO PREDICT IF HE HASN'T BEEN FIRED BY THE NEXT ELECTION THEN HE WILL DEFINATELY LOSE HIS SEAT ANYWAY AND QUITE RIGHTLY SO.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE PEOPLE'S RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS POSED ABOVE, IT MAY WELL TELL US A LOT ABOUT THE CALIBRE OF PERSON THAT VOTES FOR THIS THUG.
Posted by: S.Doe, Pennar on 8:50pm Wed 21 Feb 07
Everyone keeps harping on about Brian Hall's so-called "fraudulent" expense claims - has it not occured to anyone to have faith in their own Council and realise that it HAS been investigated and he has been fully cleared. Or will we get everyone asking the entire council to resign next as well just because of some mad OLD GRUMPY man's rambling who OBVIOUSLY has a bee in his bonnet and other people who listen to him as they have no opinion of their own.
Everyone keeps harping on about Brian Hall's so-called "fraudulent" expense claims - has it not occured to anyone to have faith in their own Council and realise that it HAS been investigated and he has been fully cleared. Or will we get everyone asking the entire council to resign next as well just because of some mad OLD GRUMPY man's rambling who OBVIOUSLY has a bee in his bonnet and other people who listen to him as they have no opinion of their own.
Posted by: John Doe, Pennar on 9:10pm Wed 21 Feb 07
Jesus Christ Almighty! There is tangible (that means real, physical, put hands on-able) evidence available PROVING that the guy has fiddled his expenses hence Old Grumpy has not been sued by the Super Lawyer!!! You must be so dumb and obviously not read the old grumpy website!!!!
Faith in the council - ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY **** OFF!
Jesus Christ Almighty! There is tangible (that means real, physical, put hands on-able) evidence available PROVING that the guy has fiddled his expenses hence Old Grumpy has not been sued by the Super Lawyer!!! You must be so dumb and obviously not read the old grumpy website!!!!
Faith in the council - ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY **** OFF!
Posted by: John Doe, STODDART THE SHARK on 9:11pm Wed 21 Feb 07
hahahahahahaha
http://www.angelfire.com/punk/brianthebus/stoddart-the-shark.jpg
hahahahahahaha
http://www.angelfire.com/punk/brianthebus/stoddart-the-shark.jpg
Posted by: jojo dodo, Kremlin on 9:15pm Wed 21 Feb 07
hahahaha
i've just forwarded this petition link to EVERYONE in the Pembs County Council email address book, i wonder if it will get through their filters lol i'm just off to sign it right now you should all do the same.
http://www.petitiononline.com/brianhal/petition.html
hahahaha
i've just forwarded this petition link to EVERYONE in the Pembs County Council email address book, i wonder if it will get through their filters lol i'm just off to sign it right now you should all do the same.
http://www.petitiononline.com/brianhal/petition.html
Posted by: susan on 9:21pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]S.Doe[/bold] wrote:
Everyone keeps harping on about Brian Hall\'s so-called \"fraudulent\" expense claims - has it not occured to anyone to have faith in their own Council and realise that it HAS been investigated and he has been fully cleared. Or will we get everyone asking the entire council to resign next as well just because of some mad OLD GRUMPY man\'s rambling who OBVIOUSLY has a bee in his bonnet and other people who listen to him as they have no opinion of their own.[/quote] Perhaps if you were to look on Old Grumpys site you will actually see copies of the claim forms B Hall submitted to the council.
Lets be honest he put in a claim form for his 'outing' to St Davids where the altercation took place. He then went on to say later, that he wasn't on council business. If not why submit an expenses claim form?
I have an opinion of my own. In my opinion Mr Hall should not be voted back in the next time.
S.Doe wrote:
Everyone keeps harping on about Brian Hall\'s so-called \"fraudulent\" expense claims - has it not occured to anyone to have faith in their own Council and realise that it HAS been investigated and he has been fully cleared. Or will we get everyone asking the entire council to resign next as well just because of some mad OLD GRUMPY man\'s rambling who OBVIOUSLY has a bee in his bonnet and other people who listen to him as they have no opinion of their own.
Perhaps if you were to look on Old Grumpys site you will actually see copies of the claim forms B Hall submitted to the council.
Lets be honest he put in a claim form for his 'outing' to St Davids where the altercation took place. He then went on to say later, that he wasn't on council business. If not why submit an expenses claim form?
I have an opinion of my own. In my opinion Mr Hall should not be voted back in the next time.
Posted by: John Doe, Pennar on 9:24pm Wed 21 Feb 07
SO WHY HAVEN'T ANY OF YOU HALL SUPPORTERS ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS YET THEN??????
SO WHY HAVEN'T ANY OF YOU HALL SUPPORTERS ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS YET THEN??????
Posted by: Emma, Pembroke Dock on 9:32pm Wed 21 Feb 07
What calibre of person??? John Doe you decide who you vote for I will decide who I vote for. Just because I am not agreeing with you this doesn't mean that I'm at a lower level than you. Oh how I apologise for not jumping on the paranoid bandwagon - NOT!
What calibre of person??? John Doe you decide who you vote for I will decide who I vote for. Just because I am not agreeing with you this doesn't mean that I'm at a lower level than you. Oh how I apologise for not jumping on the paranoid bandwagon - NOT!
Posted by: Susan on 9:42pm Wed 21 Feb 07
I wonder what he 'earns' a in a year? It must bean awful lot to be able to afford that barrister.
I wonder what he 'earns' a in a year? It must bean awful lot to be able to afford that barrister.
Posted by: Smoke Bomb Victim, Oxygen Tent on 10:19pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]S.W[/bold] wrote:
Go Brian! Go Brian! AND He won the Quins carnival every year! [/quote] Yeah....don't I know it...!
S.W wrote:
Go Brian! Go Brian! AND He won the Quins carnival every year!
Yeah....don't I know it...!
Posted by: Mr H Griffiths, PembrokeDock on 10:44pm Wed 21 Feb 07
[quote][bold]John Doe[/bold] wrote:
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EACH OF THE PEOPLE VOICING SUPPORT FOR BRIAN HALL THESE QUESTIONS : DO YOU CONDONE HIS FRAUD
