'No redundancies if Narberth residential home closes'

Western Telegraph: CONSULTATION: The future of Sunnybank is under consultation.  (3605837) CONSULTATION: The future of Sunnybank is under consultation. (3605837)

REDUNDANCIES are not an option if a Narberth residential home closes, councillors have been told.

The future of Narberth’s Sunnybank Residential Home was discussed by members of the older persons scrutiny committee on Tuesday, January 21.

Angela Watwood, Pembrokeshire County Council’s head of community health and social services, gave a presentation.

Sunnybank is currently part of a consultation which asks interested parties: Why is it important? What concerns would you have if it closed? What are your ideas for its future?

The consultation began in November and is due to end on Friday, January 31.

Ms Watwood told the committee that 89 responses had been received so far, including those from residents, their families, staff, voluntary organisations and the health board.

Some of the main concerns raised were: Where would the residents go? Would the staff lose their jobs? Where would people go to receive respite care? Who would provide meals on wheels?

There were also concerns about the building should the home close, with many fearing it would be boarded up like the old school and become a blot on the landscape.

Ms Watwood said: “All of the residents and families have had one to one meetings with social workers during the consultation."

She also allayed fears about job losses should the home close. She said: “We would make every effort to redeploy staff, with redundancies not an option.”

She added: “Should the decision be to close there are formal processes to enter into, and we’ve been advised that it should not take more than three months.”

The home, which is owned and managed by the council, was built in the 1960’s and needs an estimated £2.6m worth of work to bring it up to standard.

It currently has nine residents and two day care service users, with a further 18 people accessing respite care. The council said that each resident place is costing the authority £1,000 a week - twice the cost of a place in a privately-run home.

There is still time to give your views. You can complete the questionnaire at www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/haveyoursay or email sunnybankconsult@pembrokeshire.gov.uk or telephone 01437 776000.

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4:02pm Thu 23 Jan 14

teifion says...

Anyone believe every single claim made by PCC officials?

I know for certain that ALL IPPG party members do for a start, any one else?
Anyone believe every single claim made by PCC officials? I know for certain that ALL IPPG party members do for a start, any one else? teifion

5:59pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Rockface says...

Sounds to me the decision has already been made. Not once has there been any mention of what would happen if the home was to stay open!

“Should the decision be to close there are formal processes to enter into, and we’ve been advised that it should not take more than three months.”

Surely the residents of Sunnybank may need longer than three months? Silly woman!
Sounds to me the decision has already been made. Not once has there been any mention of what would happen if the home was to stay open! “Should the decision be to close there are formal processes to enter into, and we’ve been advised that it should not take more than three months.” Surely the residents of Sunnybank may need longer than three months? Silly woman! Rockface

10:51pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Rockface says...

If I was a resident of Sunnybank, I would certainly be quite anxious with regard to this report.
If I was a resident of Sunnybank, I would certainly be quite anxious with regard to this report. Rockface

8:24pm Tue 28 Jan 14

save sunnybank says...

Sunnybank would be viable with more residents.
Refurbishment would help. So would moving the DAY CENTRE across the road from Bloomfield to Sunnybank. Residents would benefit from being able to join in the activities, their social life would improve having new people to talk with. THERE WOULD BE A NATURAL PROGRESSION FOR DAY CARE USERS TO EVENTUALLY BECOME RESIDENTS IN SUNNYBANK. Less stress for everyone. Much less distressing for potential residents of Sunnybank who are already familiar with the place & people thru attending the DAY CENTRE. IF YOU AGREE PLEASE EMAIL sunnybankconsult@pem
brokeshire.gov.uk
cc hayley@acpembs.org.u
k (independent advocate Age Concern)
Sunnybank would be viable with more residents. Refurbishment would help. So would moving the DAY CENTRE across the road from Bloomfield to Sunnybank. Residents would benefit from being able to join in the activities, their social life would improve having new people to talk with. THERE WOULD BE A NATURAL PROGRESSION FOR DAY CARE USERS TO EVENTUALLY BECOME RESIDENTS IN SUNNYBANK. Less stress for everyone. Much less distressing for potential residents of Sunnybank who are already familiar with the place & people thru attending the DAY CENTRE. IF YOU AGREE PLEASE EMAIL sunnybankconsult@pem brokeshire.gov.uk cc hayley@acpembs.org.u k (independent advocate Age Concern) save sunnybank

8:27pm Tue 28 Jan 14

save sunnybank says...

YOU CANNOT HAVE A CONSULTATION IF THE DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.
A CONSULTATION HAS TO BE FAIR & REASONABLE TO BE LEGAL.

WHY didn't the Consultation begin at the formative stage?
WHY wasn't Sunnybank allowed to have a 50th anniversary party?
WHY didn't the Council want the publicity for Sunnybank?
WHY has the Council been sending out lists of job vacancies to Sunnybank staff?
WHY have the Council changed their invoicing for residents from 3 monthly to monthly?
WHY have there been brochures for Extra Care Housing Schemes in the Consultation Room in Sunnybank?
WHY hasn't there been a request for European Funding?

HAVE YOUR SAY sunnybankconsult@pem
brokeshire.gov.uk
cc hayley@acpembs.org.u
k (independent advocate Age Concern)
YOU CANNOT HAVE A CONSULTATION IF THE DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE. A CONSULTATION HAS TO BE FAIR & REASONABLE TO BE LEGAL. WHY didn't the Consultation begin at the formative stage? WHY wasn't Sunnybank allowed to have a 50th anniversary party? WHY didn't the Council want the publicity for Sunnybank? WHY has the Council been sending out lists of job vacancies to Sunnybank staff? WHY have the Council changed their invoicing for residents from 3 monthly to monthly? WHY have there been brochures for Extra Care Housing Schemes in the Consultation Room in Sunnybank? WHY hasn't there been a request for European Funding? HAVE YOUR SAY sunnybankconsult@pem brokeshire.gov.uk cc hayley@acpembs.org.u k (independent advocate Age Concern) save sunnybank

8:28pm Tue 28 Jan 14

save sunnybank says...

we want local people looking after local people.
we want welsh thinkers to be spoken to in welsh.
we want friendly carers with genuine smiles.
we want the elderly to be treated with respect.
we want to walk into a welcoming, calm atmosphere.
we want to be sure our loved ones are well cared for.
OH YEAH WE'VE GOT ALL THAT AT SUNNYBANK.....
we want local people looking after local people. we want welsh thinkers to be spoken to in welsh. we want friendly carers with genuine smiles. we want the elderly to be treated with respect. we want to walk into a welcoming, calm atmosphere. we want to be sure our loved ones are well cared for. OH YEAH WE'VE GOT ALL THAT AT SUNNYBANK..... save sunnybank

8:14am Wed 29 Jan 14

save sunnybank says...

LOOOOOOOOOOOOK GOOOOOOOOOD NEWS
Had meeting at County Hall yesterday. WE HAVE AN EXTENSION ON DECISION DAY NOW. CABINET MEETING TO MAKE DECISION WILL BE MARCH INSTEAD OF FEBRUARY !!!! This is because they have so much more to consider than they thought they would. The plans are causing them a huge problem.They don't know what the brief was for these plans, so now they have to try to convince us they make sense! We need to know why are resident's rooms on first floor only? What would happen if there was a fire? Why are there 15 offices downstairs? Why are there 3 bathrooms downstairs? The plans are up in the Consutation Room at Sunnybank GO AND HAVE A LOOK. Ask WHAT WAS THE BRIEF FOR THESE PLANS? Why does it say Day Care in lounges downstairs, does this mean Day Care moving from Bloomfield, WHAT A GOOD IDEA! They are supposed to be looking into why there are no en-suite rooms downstairs. YOU MUST ASK QUESTIONS. Keep emailing, writing, phoning.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOK GOOOOOOOOOD NEWS Had meeting at County Hall yesterday. WE HAVE AN EXTENSION ON DECISION DAY NOW. CABINET MEETING TO MAKE DECISION WILL BE MARCH INSTEAD OF FEBRUARY !!!! This is because they have so much more to consider than they thought they would. The plans are causing them a huge problem.They don't know what the brief was for these plans, so now they have to try to convince us they make sense! We need to know why are resident's rooms on first floor only? What would happen if there was a fire? Why are there 15 offices downstairs? Why are there 3 bathrooms downstairs? The plans are up in the Consutation Room at Sunnybank GO AND HAVE A LOOK. Ask WHAT WAS THE BRIEF FOR THESE PLANS? Why does it say Day Care in lounges downstairs, does this mean Day Care moving from Bloomfield, WHAT A GOOD IDEA! They are supposed to be looking into why there are no en-suite rooms downstairs. YOU MUST ASK QUESTIONS. Keep emailing, writing, phoning. save sunnybank

9:15am Wed 29 Jan 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

The draft 2014/15 budget approved by Cabinet and considered by the Older persons O&S committee already includes a reduction of £260,000 on the assumption that Sunnybank will close.
Although councillors have asked why this home was allowed to fall into its current state, no officer has answered. Councillors are not directly involved in or even informed about the council's asset or premises (non) refurbishment programmes.
Somehow, some time, an officer's delegated decision was taken not to maintain the standard of this facility, presumably backed by the Council's unelected corporate management team.

Why are our councillors so ill informed that they are always in the position of playing catch up?
The draft 2014/15 budget approved by Cabinet and considered by the Older persons O&S committee already includes a reduction of £260,000 on the assumption that Sunnybank will close. Although councillors have asked why this home was allowed to fall into its current state, no officer has answered. Councillors are not directly involved in or even informed about the council's asset or premises (non) refurbishment programmes. Somehow, some time, an officer's delegated decision was taken not to maintain the standard of this facility, presumably backed by the Council's unelected corporate management team. Why are our councillors so ill informed that they are always in the position of playing catch up? Indeview J Hudson

10:45am Wed 29 Jan 14

malcolm calver says...

Surely if residents of Sunnybank resided in privately run residential homes twice as many could be housed for the same amount of public money.
The question needs to be asked is "how has this home been allowed to operate for so long with such high running costs`
.
Surely if residents of Sunnybank resided in privately run residential homes twice as many could be housed for the same amount of public money. The question needs to be asked is "how has this home been allowed to operate for so long with such high running costs` . malcolm calver

11:24am Wed 29 Jan 14

save sunnybank says...

malcolm calver wrote:
Surely if residents of Sunnybank resided in privately run residential homes twice as many could be housed for the same amount of public money.
The question needs to be asked is "how has this home been allowed to operate for so long with such high running costs`
.
If the council had maintained Sunnybank over the years,, it would not have such high overheads and would probably be fully occupied.
How much money has been saved by letting this building deteriorate?
Sunnybank has a heart you will not find anywhere else.
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: Surely if residents of Sunnybank resided in privately run residential homes twice as many could be housed for the same amount of public money. The question needs to be asked is "how has this home been allowed to operate for so long with such high running costs` .[/p][/quote]If the council had maintained Sunnybank over the years,, it would not have such high overheads and would probably be fully occupied. How much money has been saved by letting this building deteriorate? Sunnybank has a heart you will not find anywhere else. save sunnybank

5:02pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Generally council's have moved out of providing council run residential care homes because of the high running costs incurred.
It has been more cost effective to buy in places at privately run care homes. at placement costs which are usually less than the costs charged to customers who elect, having no option for a number of reasons, to arrange their own accommodation privately.
It is becoming increasingly difficult to be placed in a residential setting by a local authority, as it is preferred to look after and support people in the community
PCC is currently looking at increasing certain charges for elements of such community care and introducing other charges. These charges will be outside the Government imposed £50 per week cap. Which is another reason why clients/customers now prefer to elect to be looked after at home.
Why do council's calculate that their placements in privately run homes cost less than. the prices homes charge their directly recruited residents?
If councils reduce the number of their placement, private homes will have to increase charges to their private clients or close. Where will the poor unfortunates who need residential care go then.
How then will councils meet their statutory obligation of care? Possibly by lowering their assessment of care criteria so no one qualifies for such care..
Generally council's have moved out of providing council run residential care homes because of the high running costs incurred. It has been more cost effective to buy in places at privately run care homes. at placement costs which are usually less than the costs charged to customers who elect, having no option for a number of reasons, to arrange their own accommodation privately. It is becoming increasingly difficult to be placed in a residential setting by a local authority, as it is preferred to look after and support people in the community PCC is currently looking at increasing certain charges for elements of such community care and introducing other charges. These charges will be outside the Government imposed £50 per week cap. Which is another reason why clients/customers now prefer to elect to be looked after at home. Why do council's calculate that their placements in privately run homes cost less than. the prices homes charge their directly recruited residents? If councils reduce the number of their placement, private homes will have to increase charges to their private clients or close. Where will the poor unfortunates who need residential care go then. How then will councils meet their statutory obligation of care? Possibly by lowering their assessment of care criteria so no one qualifies for such care.. Indeview J Hudson

6:41pm Fri 31 Jan 14

save sunnybank says...

THE CONSULTATION DEADLINE HAS BEEN EXTENDED FROM 31st JAN to 21st FEB.
DO YOU KNOW.... A Consultation has never been extended before! We have more time to let the Council know what is important to us, what concerns we have and suggestions for the future of Sunnybank. sunnybankconsult@pem
brokeshire.gov.uk
THE CONSULTATION DEADLINE HAS BEEN EXTENDED FROM 31st JAN to 21st FEB. DO YOU KNOW.... A Consultation has never been extended before! We have more time to let the Council know what is important to us, what concerns we have and suggestions for the future of Sunnybank. sunnybankconsult@pem brokeshire.gov.uk save sunnybank

11:31am Sat 1 Feb 14

save sunnybank says...

The plans for the refurbishment are in the Consultation Room in Sunnybank. We have objected to the fact that only 14 residents could be accommodated according to these plans. The whole of the ground floor is shown as offices. No-one could tell us what the intention was when these plans were drawn up 8 years ago!
I have a copy of the plans which can be seen here in Llanteg. While we are waiting for the Council architect to see how many en-suites she can fit into Sunnybank, we have calculated 23! This is leaving Mental Health Team offices in situ. Why spend money moving them?
facebook Sunnybank Narberth, Consultation
The plans for the refurbishment are in the Consultation Room in Sunnybank. We have objected to the fact that only 14 residents could be accommodated according to these plans. The whole of the ground floor is shown as offices. No-one could tell us what the intention was when these plans were drawn up 8 years ago! I have a copy of the plans which can be seen here in Llanteg. While we are waiting for the Council architect to see how many en-suites she can fit into Sunnybank, we have calculated 23! This is leaving Mental Health Team offices in situ. Why spend money moving them? facebook Sunnybank Narberth, Consultation save sunnybank

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