Call for Pembrokeshire County Council management to consider their positions over unlawful pension payment scandal

The leadership of Pembrokeshire County Council must consider their positions after unlawful pension opt out payments, Plaid Cymru have said this morning (Thursday).

Plaid Cymru representatives for Pembrokeshire have called on the leadership of the council to consider their position following a damning report by the Wales Audit Office report on ‘unlawful’ pensions opt out payments at the council.

Mid and West AM Simon Thomas, Shadow Education Minister for Plaid Cymru commented: “Over £50,000 has been paid to the Chief Executive of Pembrokeshire Council and one other senior officer. My Plaid Cymru colleague Rhodri Glyn Thomas and his team have worked to strengthen accountability over the remuneration packages of local authority chief executives, and have been successful in seeing changes to salaries being scrutinised by the independent remuneration board.”

“The Wales Audit Office is clear that the pension opt out payments at Pembrokeshire Council was ‘unlawful’. In light of this report the leadership of Pembrokeshire Council should consider their position. Pembrokeshire taxpayers will want the council to revoke the decision on pension pay-outs and halt any further payments to senior officers.”

The Leader of Plaid Cymru on the council, Councillor Michael Williams, who sat on the council’s audit committee added: “I questioned the legality of these payments at the time. I’m sad that the Wales Audit Office has ruled that Pembrokeshire Council has acted illegally.

“We have one of the highest paid senior management yet we stumble from one crisis to another. Pembrokeshire Council has failed our young people on education and let our most vulnerable down on social care.

“Pembrokeshire Council was on the cusp of being put into special measures and we were only redeemed by the intervention and assistance of the Ministerial Board.

“It is time for the leadership of the council, the officer concerned and the political leadership to consider their position. The chicken that has not come home to roost is the legal cost incurred by the authority in contesting the initial Wales Audit Office opinion.”

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9:24am Thu 30 Jan 14

teifion says...

I remember one justification for this payment was to KEEP BPJ - to ensure he didn't go somewhere else as his remuneration package was no longer competitive (£200k not competitive ? what planet are they on?) SO I assume we'll see the back of BPJ as he will be resigning and getting that better paid job - Of course he could just RESIGN in SHAME along with some of the IPPG leaders and ex-leaders
I remember one justification for this payment was to KEEP BPJ - to ensure he didn't go somewhere else as his remuneration package was no longer competitive (£200k not competitive ? what planet are they on?) SO I assume we'll see the back of BPJ as he will be resigning and getting that better paid job - Of course he could just RESIGN in SHAME along with some of the IPPG leaders and ex-leaders teifion

10:06am Thu 30 Jan 14

ladybench says...

If these payments are unlawful then surely the police must take action?
If these payments are unlawful then surely the police must take action? ladybench

10:27am Thu 30 Jan 14

Electra1 says...

teifion wrote:
I remember one justification for this payment was to KEEP BPJ - to ensure he didn't go somewhere else as his remuneration package was no longer competitive (£200k not competitive ? what planet are they on?) SO I assume we'll see the back of BPJ as he will be resigning and getting that better paid job - Of course he could just RESIGN in SHAME along with some of the IPPG leaders and ex-leaders
He won't go anywhere, he will just hang on for grim death unless he is forced out, then we will see how popular he is in the work place.
[quote][p][bold]teifion[/bold] wrote: I remember one justification for this payment was to KEEP BPJ - to ensure he didn't go somewhere else as his remuneration package was no longer competitive (£200k not competitive ? what planet are they on?) SO I assume we'll see the back of BPJ as he will be resigning and getting that better paid job - Of course he could just RESIGN in SHAME along with some of the IPPG leaders and ex-leaders[/p][/quote]He won't go anywhere, he will just hang on for grim death unless he is forced out, then we will see how popular he is in the work place. Electra1

10:40am Thu 30 Jan 14

Welshman23 says...

Now please listen to the Pembrokeshire people we have been saying for. A long time that things were not right at the Kremlin you didn't need an audit to find this out. All the effected parties you reap what you sow. Now let the fraud squad investigate and prosecute all the guilty parties. If convicted sent to jail.
Now please listen to the Pembrokeshire people we have been saying for. A long time that things were not right at the Kremlin you didn't need an audit to find this out. All the effected parties you reap what you sow. Now let the fraud squad investigate and prosecute all the guilty parties. If convicted sent to jail. Welshman23

10:41am Thu 30 Jan 14

Welshman23 says...

Who is the other senior officer.
Who is the other senior officer. Welshman23

11:13am Thu 30 Jan 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Shameless pilferers.

Repay (with interest)

Apologise

Resign
Shameless pilferers. Repay (with interest) Apologise Resign PembrokeshireMan

12:59pm Thu 30 Jan 14

teifion says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
Shameless pilferers.

Repay (with interest)

Apologise

Resign
surprised we've not seen some comments marked down or are those voters too ashamed to go into their offices in the Kremlin today?
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: Shameless pilferers. Repay (with interest) Apologise Resign[/p][/quote]surprised we've not seen some comments marked down or are those voters too ashamed to go into their offices in the Kremlin today? teifion

1:50pm Thu 30 Jan 14

quentin says...

If I did something "unlawful" the police would be knocking on my door before you could say BPJ. Why the different approach?
If I did something "unlawful" the police would be knocking on my door before you could say BPJ. Why the different approach? quentin

2:54pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Tttoommy says...

I wonder If BPJ , Mr adams and a few others from the now discredited IPPG are in a "public meeting" today to see If they can put on a unified front?
I doubt it - even Mr Adams must realise that BPJ is NOT God, he may have acted in an omnipitent manner BUT he's been caught out by the Law and despite the scraps from BPJs table in the past Adams MUST turn against him now (we were misled, we took advice from BPJ who was a solocitor(?) etc) but we believe that in the best interests of the council Jones HAS to go i.e be sacked for misconduct rather than be allowed to resign or take "early retirement" - I hope so for the sake of decency and democracy
I wonder If BPJ , Mr adams and a few others from the now discredited IPPG are in a "public meeting" today to see If they can put on a unified front? I doubt it - even Mr Adams must realise that BPJ is NOT God, he may have acted in an omnipitent manner BUT he's been caught out by the Law and despite the scraps from BPJs table in the past Adams MUST turn against him now (we were misled, we took advice from BPJ who was a solocitor(?) etc) but we believe that in the best interests of the council Jones HAS to go i.e be sacked for misconduct rather than be allowed to resign or take "early retirement" - I hope so for the sake of decency and democracy Tttoommy

3:11pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Welshman23 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
I wonder If BPJ , Mr adams and a few others from the now discredited IPPG are in a "public meeting" today to see If they can put on a unified front?
I doubt it - even Mr Adams must realise that BPJ is NOT God, he may have acted in an omnipitent manner BUT he's been caught out by the Law and despite the scraps from BPJs table in the past Adams MUST turn against him now (we were misled, we took advice from BPJ who was a solocitor(?) etc) but we believe that in the best interests of the council Jones HAS to go i.e be sacked for misconduct rather than be allowed to resign or take "early retirement" - I hope so for the sake of decency and democracy
BPJ or Adams has given the thumbs down
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: I wonder If BPJ , Mr adams and a few others from the now discredited IPPG are in a "public meeting" today to see If they can put on a unified front? I doubt it - even Mr Adams must realise that BPJ is NOT God, he may have acted in an omnipitent manner BUT he's been caught out by the Law and despite the scraps from BPJs table in the past Adams MUST turn against him now (we were misled, we took advice from BPJ who was a solocitor(?) etc) but we believe that in the best interests of the council Jones HAS to go i.e be sacked for misconduct rather than be allowed to resign or take "early retirement" - I hope so for the sake of decency and democracy[/p][/quote]BPJ or Adams has given the thumbs down Welshman23

3:11pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

One of the Deputy IPPG Leaders is even now reported as referring to this matter as being procedural.
I wonder how the majority of IPPG members feel about this state of affairs?
Will they still support a Cabinet appointed by the Leader, advised by the Chief Executive, The Head ofLlegal Services,the Monitoring officer and the Director of Finance.
How can all of these officers have got it so wrong?.
Even if these payments were to be legal, it does not make them right.
One of the Deputy IPPG Leaders is even now reported as referring to this matter as being procedural. I wonder how the majority of IPPG members feel about this state of affairs? Will they still support a Cabinet appointed by the Leader, advised by the Chief Executive, The Head ofLlegal Services,the Monitoring officer and the Director of Finance. How can all of these officers have got it so wrong?. Even if these payments were to be legal, it does not make them right. Indeview J Hudson

7:23pm Thu 30 Jan 14

KeanJo says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Who is the other senior officer.
I share your curiosity and cannot understand why he has not been named.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Who is the other senior officer.[/p][/quote]I share your curiosity and cannot understand why he has not been named. KeanJo

3:07am Fri 31 Jan 14

Flashbang says...

The Leader of Plaid Cymru on the council, Councillor Michael Williams, who sat on the council’s audit committee added: “I questioned the legality of these payments at the time. I’m sad that the Wales Audit Office has ruled that Pembrokeshire Council has acted illegally.
Wake up Michael, PCC has been very shady and has been finally caught. You are supposed to be representing the people of Pembrokeshire not the carpetbaggers plundering the treasury.
The Leader of Plaid Cymru on the council, Councillor Michael Williams, who sat on the council’s audit committee added: “I questioned the legality of these payments at the time. I’m sad that the Wales Audit Office has ruled that Pembrokeshire Council has acted illegally. Wake up Michael, PCC has been very shady and has been finally caught. You are supposed to be representing the people of Pembrokeshire not the carpetbaggers plundering the treasury. Flashbang

10:31am Fri 31 Jan 14

great gran says...

There appears to be "one law for us minions and another for the powers that be. Any of us would have had the law down on us for doing less than this, they can it appears get away with it. Disgusts me the way that Society can put up with all this criminality.
There appears to be "one law for us minions and another for the powers that be. Any of us would have had the law down on us for doing less than this, they can it appears get away with it. Disgusts me the way that Society can put up with all this criminality. great gran

11:20am Fri 31 Jan 14

Welshman23 says...

WT can you flush out the name of the other senior person who has benefited from this scam.
WT can you flush out the name of the other senior person who has benefited from this scam. Welshman23

1:29pm Fri 31 Jan 14

malcolm calver says...

Cllr Michael Williams { Plaid) jumps on the bandwagon again and tries to blame the powers that be at County Hall for being soley responsible for the failing standards in education..
Surely Cllr Williams must take some of the blame as I believe he has been a school governor for many years and must have seen the education of children failing over the lasy twenty years..
Parents have also failed their children with many expecting schools and the state to act as a parent, when they should be taking responsibility.for their children.
Cllr Michael Williams { Plaid) jumps on the bandwagon again and tries to blame the powers that be at County Hall for being soley responsible for the failing standards in education.. Surely Cllr Williams must take some of the blame as I believe he has been a school governor for many years and must have seen the education of children failing over the lasy twenty years.. Parents have also failed their children with many expecting schools and the state to act as a parent, when they should be taking responsibility.for their children. malcolm calver

2:56pm Fri 31 Jan 14

KeanJo says...

Welshman23, I've just read the Herald . They didn't name the other senior officer but reported that he was present at the now infamous meeting in the CEs office so he should be in the firing line with the CE.
Welshman23, I've just read the Herald . They didn't name the other senior officer but reported that he was present at the now infamous meeting in the CEs office so he should be in the firing line with the CE. KeanJo

12:58am Sat 1 Feb 14

KeanJo says...

Correction to my last comment: - the Herald article refers to th meeting of theSenior Staff meeting in the CE office meeting
Correction to my last comment: - the Herald article refers to th meeting of theSenior Staff meeting in the CE office meeting KeanJo

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