Motion of no confidence in Pembrokeshire County Council chief exec Bryn Parry-Jones to go before full council

A BID to once again question the position of Pembrokeshire County Council’s chief executive is due to be debated at next week’s Full Council meeting.

The Pembrokeshire Alliance Group has submitted a Notice of Motion which states: “That this Council has no confidence in the Chief Executive Officer Mr Bryn Parry-Jones.”

The same notice has been submitted by a number of other opposition councillors including Cllr Paul Miller, leader of the Labour group, non affiliated Cllr Viv Stoddart and Cllr David Bryan of the Conservative group.

Plaid Cymru leader in County Hall Cllr Michael Williams said that the group was ‘fully supportive’ of the notice.

At a meeting on February 14 to discuss controversial pension arrangements taken up by the chief executive and another senior officer, a Notice of Motion calling for the suspension of Mr Parry-Jones while investigations into the matter are carried out by Gloucestershire Police was withdrawn.

Discussion of the notice was curtailed following advice by Timothy Kerr QC who advised councillors who had expressed a negative opinion in the press that they may be at risk of having predetermined their position.

Cllr Bob Kilmister, of Pembrokeshire Alliance, said the group was ‘determined to bring about a real democratic transformation to our county’.

“Those currently in charge are bringing the name of the county into disrepute with Welsh Government now openly referring to us as the ‘Wild West’. There is a real threat that unless we put our house in order quickly those who want to see Pembrokeshire disappear will have every excuse for doing so,” he added.

A number of questions relating to the pensions policy, which has now been rescinded following its declaration of ‘unlawful’ by the Wales Audit Office, have also been submitted by Pembrokeshire Alliance.

These included: “Will the leader tell all members when they can expect to be able to view all the documents relating to the recent Wales Audit Office public interest report?

“Is the leader going to apologise to the public of Pembrokeshire for incurring additional costs, and bringing the name of this council into disrepute by defending the indefensible over the decisions taken by the Senior Staff Committee on 28/09/11?

“Did the cabinet meet with the Monitoring Officer to discuss the Extraordinary Council in advance of that meeting? If so, where and when, and are minutes available for inspection?”

And: “Does the leader agree with me that his council has never been held in lower regard by the residents of Pembrokeshire than at this point?”

The Full Council meeting will be held at County Hall next Thursday, March 6, at 10am and is open to the public.

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9:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Seymour Clearly says...

As he has already sworn his allegiance to Bryn Parry Jones,the council leader,Jamie Adams cannot vote on any issue regarding the chief executive.
And as he has also stated what a wonderful job the pair of them are doing for the people of Pembrokeshire,he is not likely to be doing any apologising.

He did thank the workforce of pcc for their hard work during the recent storms.This work was undertaken by a lot of dedicated caring professionals,many have whom who have had pay cuts forced upon them,by the money grabbing council leadership. ,But because of their morals ,they didn't let that affect their honest commitment to the people they serve
You could certainly learn from them,Mr Jamie Adams and Co.
THESE EMPLOYEES COULD MANAGE WITHOUT YOU,BUT YOU COULD NOT MANAGE WITHOUT THEM.
As he has already sworn his allegiance to Bryn Parry Jones,the council leader,Jamie Adams cannot vote on any issue regarding the chief executive. And as he has also stated what a wonderful job the pair of them are doing for the people of Pembrokeshire,he is not likely to be doing any apologising. He did thank the workforce of pcc for their hard work during the recent storms.This work was undertaken by a lot of dedicated caring professionals,many have whom who have had pay cuts forced upon them,by the money grabbing council leadership. ,But because of their morals ,they didn't let that affect their honest commitment to the people they serve You could certainly learn from them,Mr Jamie Adams and Co. THESE EMPLOYEES COULD MANAGE WITHOUT YOU,BUT YOU COULD NOT MANAGE WITHOUT THEM. Seymour Clearly
  • Score: 37

10:39pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Welshman23 says...

Well done WT on publishing this totally agree Jamie Adams has gone to print for his support of BPJ so he should not be able to vote or any other member supporting their views in public.
Jamie when you forgot to claim your expenses for four years, didn't see BPJ commenting in the a Telegraph he supported you 100%, so why the hell have you done a stupid thing by supporting a person who is under police investigation for a pension scam silly Jamie.
Will a vote of no confidence be taken about Jamie Adams I hope so then it will show how many of his party support him.
Well done WT on publishing this totally agree Jamie Adams has gone to print for his support of BPJ so he should not be able to vote or any other member supporting their views in public. Jamie when you forgot to claim your expenses for four years, didn't see BPJ commenting in the a Telegraph he supported you 100%, so why the hell have you done a stupid thing by supporting a person who is under police investigation for a pension scam silly Jamie. Will a vote of no confidence be taken about Jamie Adams I hope so then it will show how many of his party support him. Welshman23
  • Score: 20

3:29am Tue 25 Feb 14

Flashbang says...

Are we going to be treated to another episode of Alice in Wonderland or are these councillors going to take their responsibilities to the electorate seriously this time around? My guess is certain people have got the dirt on other people as they don't seem to do what is right for the electorate, can anyone enlighten me or prove me wrong?
Are we going to be treated to another episode of Alice in Wonderland or are these councillors going to take their responsibilities to the electorate seriously this time around? My guess is certain people have got the dirt on other people as they don't seem to do what is right for the electorate, can anyone enlighten me or prove me wrong? Flashbang
  • Score: 12

7:24am Tue 25 Feb 14

Electra1 says...

Here we go again.
Here we go again. Electra1
  • Score: 11

8:24am Tue 25 Feb 14

Tttoommy says...

I'm sure we'll see decent and honest IPPG members rebel against Bryn Jones and Jamie (those who believe being a councillor is a vocation to help the people in their constituency and all of us in Pembrokeshire - they must be ashamed after all about what has been done in their names, I bet many only knew what had been done in secret meetings after reading about it in the press, and as for envelopes dropped on the back seat of chaffeur driven cars to bully the democratic process ..... :(
I'm sure we'll see decent and honest IPPG members rebel against Bryn Jones and Jamie (those who believe being a councillor is a vocation to help the people in their constituency and all of us in Pembrokeshire - they must be ashamed after all about what has been done in their names, I bet many only knew what had been done in secret meetings after reading about it in the press, and as for envelopes dropped on the back seat of chaffeur driven cars to bully the democratic process ..... :( Tttoommy
  • Score: 14

9:17am Tue 25 Feb 14

hardcheese says...

"Motion of no confidence in Pembrokeshire County Council chief exec Bryn Parry-Jones to go before full council"
I wonder if this is anything to do with the unbeliavable amount of positive comments posted on this site?
Lets hope Bryn Parry-Jones will soon be gone !!!! WE DON"T WANT HIM IN PEMBROKESHIRE
"Motion of no confidence in Pembrokeshire County Council chief exec Bryn Parry-Jones to go before full council" I wonder if this is anything to do with the unbeliavable amount of positive comments posted on this site? Lets hope Bryn Parry-Jones will soon be gone !!!! WE DON"T WANT HIM IN PEMBROKESHIRE hardcheese
  • Score: 18

9:23am Tue 25 Feb 14

KeanJo says...

Tttoommy, if there are any decent and honest men in the IPPG, this motion will be carried and the group will be finished. We can only hope!r
Tttoommy, if there are any decent and honest men in the IPPG, this motion will be carried and the group will be finished. We can only hope!r KeanJo
  • Score: 16

9:59am Tue 25 Feb 14

Eckysense says...

It should be a great show. Where else would you see the characters of "The Pied Piper Of Kremlin" and "Uriah Heep" appear on the same stage.
It should be a great show. Where else would you see the characters of "The Pied Piper Of Kremlin" and "Uriah Heep" appear on the same stage. Eckysense
  • Score: 5

10:20am Tue 25 Feb 14

seaveiw says...

hardcheese wrote:
"Motion of no confidence in Pembrokeshire County Council chief exec Bryn Parry-Jones to go before full council"
I wonder if this is anything to do with the unbeliavable amount of positive comments posted on this site?
Lets hope Bryn Parry-Jones will soon be gone !!!! WE DON"T WANT HIM IN PEMBROKESHIRE
The motion should also include all involved in this saga, or are they hopefully going to resign when the motion is passed.
[quote][p][bold]hardcheese[/bold] wrote: "Motion of no confidence in Pembrokeshire County Council chief exec Bryn Parry-Jones to go before full council" I wonder if this is anything to do with the unbeliavable amount of positive comments posted on this site? Lets hope Bryn Parry-Jones will soon be gone !!!! WE DON"T WANT HIM IN PEMBROKESHIRE[/p][/quote]The motion should also include all involved in this saga, or are they hopefully going to resign when the motion is passed. seaveiw
  • Score: 11

11:10am Tue 25 Feb 14

Justiceforall says...

There should be a motion of no confidence in the whole cabinet of Pembrokeshire County Council.. Lets get some councillors in that really wont to serve the people instead of themselves. No councillor should become richer except in knowledge, as a result of serving as a councillor.

There is a need for an independent free serving panel, made up of intelligent Pembrokeshire people, with more powers than the Council to keep them inline and make sure they are doing their elected job, "serving the people"...
There should be a motion of no confidence in the whole cabinet of Pembrokeshire County Council.. Lets get some councillors in that really wont to serve the people instead of themselves. No councillor should become richer except in knowledge, as a result of serving as a councillor. There is a need for an independent free serving panel, made up of intelligent Pembrokeshire people, with more powers than the Council to keep them inline and make sure they are doing their elected job, "serving the people"... Justiceforall
  • Score: 12

3:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Theodore1 says...

Now I trust the dear leader will cover the legal cost of this stupid farrargo!
Now I trust the dear leader will cover the legal cost of this stupid farrargo! Theodore1
  • Score: 9

3:58pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Gogledd says...

Eckysense wrote:
It should be a great show. Where else would you see the characters of "The Pied Piper Of Kremlin" and "Uriah Heep" appear on the same stage.
lol..my thoughts exactly...
[quote][p][bold]Eckysense[/bold] wrote: It should be a great show. Where else would you see the characters of "The Pied Piper Of Kremlin" and "Uriah Heep" appear on the same stage.[/p][/quote]lol..my thoughts exactly... Gogledd
  • Score: 4

8:00pm Tue 25 Feb 14

malcolm calver says...

So Bob Kilmister says he is ‘determined to bring about a real democratic transformation to our county’.. I presume that is why he became a founder member of the Pembrokeshire Alliance Party. Surely he stood as a Liberal candidate at the election and therefore should have remained as a Liberal member His mate in the Alliance Party Cllr Peter Stock should have also remained an Independent as that is what he informed his electorate he would be. I do believe I read somewhere that Cllr Peter Stock was actually
encouraging new members to join the Independent Plus Party, I wonder what went wrong? I do believe for many years he was a leading light in the IP Party with a matching SPR allowance.
Like it or not we have elected county councillors in a democratic manner to represent us, surely they have the gumption to examine all the facts and vote accordingly.
I note that the Western Telegraph has an exclusive interview with Angela Burns AM on this issue but they have failed again to allow the public to comment on her remarks, surely members of the public should be allowed to comment.
. `
So Bob Kilmister says he is ‘determined to bring about a real democratic transformation to our county’.. I presume that is why he became a founder member of the Pembrokeshire Alliance Party. Surely he stood as a Liberal candidate at the election and therefore should have remained as a Liberal member His mate in the Alliance Party Cllr Peter Stock should have also remained an Independent as that is what he informed his electorate he would be. I do believe I read somewhere that Cllr Peter Stock was actually encouraging new members to join the Independent Plus Party, I wonder what went wrong? I do believe for many years he was a leading light in the IP Party with a matching SPR allowance. Like it or not we have elected county councillors in a democratic manner to represent us, surely they have the gumption to examine all the facts and vote accordingly. I note that the Western Telegraph has an exclusive interview with Angela Burns AM on this issue but they have failed again to allow the public to comment on her remarks, surely members of the public should be allowed to comment. . ` malcolm calver
  • Score: 0

8:08pm Tue 25 Feb 14

malcolm calver says...

The Pembrokeshire electorate have a right to know how their county couincillor votes on the motion, it is crucial therefore that a recorded vote is called for.
The Pembrokeshire electorate have a right to know how their county couincillor votes on the motion, it is crucial therefore that a recorded vote is called for. malcolm calver
  • Score: 7

11:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Sail-taffy says...

Our Precious County Council.

The lack of transparency within the hierarchy of Pembrokeshire County Concil was clearly demonstrated in the video of the recent Extraordinary Council Meeting. The Valentine’s Day debacle was the latest, most embarrassing, and hopefully the last demonstration of their desperate attempts to retain their exalted positions and bloated salaries and expenses.

The vain efforts, made by the Leader - “In terms of this and that” - to justify their actions in 2011 in respect to the Chief-Executive Officer’s extraordinary pension pot, brings nothing but shame upon all those individuals involved. His article in the Western Telegraph ull of self praise “carries no water” – particularly with his “front line’ workers.

The futile attempt by the previous Chairman of the Council to support the Leader’s case shows his approval and complicity in the irresponsible control of the Public Purse and has rightly served to further tarnish the already negative image he has continually presented to Pembrokeshire constituents.

Then to recruit the assistance of a Queens Counsel from London - a further step taken by those at the top to defend themselves at public expense- only resulted in complete failure. Council members were denied access to the QC’s report and now must wait for a ‘redacted’ version. The entire session was a farce and served only to heap more shame on the ‘Cabinet’ and huge embarrassment for Mr. Kerr (pronounced ‘Car”), the QC. For us who are unfamiliar with the term ‘redacted’, I have taken this from Wikipedia).

"To redact" came to be used in the sense of selecting from or adapting (as by obscuring or removing sensitive information) a document prior to publication or release. On occasion, the persons performing the redaction (the redactors) add brief elements of their own. The reasons for doing so are varied and can include the addition of elements to adjust the underlying conclusions of the text to suit the redactor's opinion.”

The Council’s Monitoring Officer, Laurence Harding - plunging the hierarchy further into the depths of despair - had to confess to slipping selected newspaper cuttings into an envelope and leaving it on the back seat of the car that was used to collect QC Kerr from Port Talbot. These are dirty tactics and worthy of a criminal mindset. The fact that the only cuttings that were in the envelope were of those Councilors who had commented to a Newspaper of their opposition to the Chief Executive’s questionable pension arrangements. That was nothing but a despicable and cowardly act clearly designed to jeopardize any chance of a vote on the Agenda’s main issue.

I would like to share with you a few unsavory ‘definitions’ that for one reason or another have come to mind, although there is no suggestion that any of them apply to our beloved County Council.

Political corruption - is the use of power by government officials for illegitimate private gain. An illegal act by an officeholder constitutes political corruption only if the act is directly related to their official duties, is done under color of law or involves trading in influence.

Trading in influence - or influence peddling, refers to a person selling his/her influence over the decision making process to benefit a third party (person or institution).
Trading in influence involves the use of "improper influence", as in article 12 of the Criminal Law Convention on Corruption (ETS 173) of the Council of Europe.

Embezzlement - is theft of entrusted funds. It is political when it involves public money taken by a public official for use by anyone not specified by the public. A common type of embezzlement is that of personal use of entrusted government resources; for example, when an official assigns public employees to renovate his own house.

Kickbacks - A kickback is an official's share of misappropriated funds allocated from his or her organization to an organization involved in corrupt bidding. For example, suppose that a politician is in charge of choosing how to spend some public funds. He can give a contract to a company that is not the best bidder, or allocate more than they deserve. In this case, the company benefits, and in exchange for betraying the public, the official receives a kickback payment, which is a portion of the sum the company received.

Nepotism and cronyism - favouring personal friends of an official is a form of illegitimate private gain. A milder form of cronyism is an "old boy network", in which appointees to official positions are selected only from a closed and exclusive social network – instead of appointing the most competent candidate.

Patronage - refers to favoring supporters, for example with government employment. It can be seen as corruption if this means that incompetent persons, as a payment for supporting the regime, are selected before more able ones.

I suppose there is one consolation in that Wayne Rooney is unlikely to sign up to the Council in the near future. His £300,000 a week makes Parry-Jones’s package of £194,000/year a mere pittance. The planned £1,800,000 retirement cheque for P-J will almost place him on Benefit Street….poor chap. I’m surprised that our Council Workers – condescendingly described by Jamie Adams as “those on the front line” – are not donating their offered 1%
Our Precious County Council. The lack of transparency within the hierarchy of Pembrokeshire County Concil was clearly demonstrated in the video of the recent Extraordinary Council Meeting. The Valentine’s Day debacle was the latest, most embarrassing, and hopefully the last demonstration of their desperate attempts to retain their exalted positions and bloated salaries and expenses. The vain efforts, made by the Leader - “In terms of this and that” - to justify their actions in 2011 in respect to the Chief-Executive Officer’s extraordinary pension pot, brings nothing but shame upon all those individuals involved. His article in the Western Telegraph ull of self praise “carries no water” – particularly with his “front line’ workers. The futile attempt by the previous Chairman of the Council to support the Leader’s case shows his approval and complicity in the irresponsible control of the Public Purse and has rightly served to further tarnish the already negative image he has continually presented to Pembrokeshire constituents. Then to recruit the assistance of a Queens Counsel from London - a further step taken by those at the top to defend themselves at public expense- only resulted in complete failure. Council members were denied access to the QC’s report and now must wait for a ‘redacted’ version. The entire session was a farce and served only to heap more shame on the ‘Cabinet’ and huge embarrassment for Mr. Kerr (pronounced ‘Car”), the QC. For us who are unfamiliar with the term ‘redacted’, I have taken this from Wikipedia). "To redact" came to be used in the sense of selecting from or adapting (as by obscuring or removing sensitive information) a document prior to publication or release. On occasion, the persons performing the redaction (the redactors) add brief elements of their own. The reasons for doing so are varied and can include the addition of elements to adjust the underlying conclusions of the text to suit the redactor's opinion.” The Council’s Monitoring Officer, Laurence Harding - plunging the hierarchy further into the depths of despair - had to confess to slipping selected newspaper cuttings into an envelope and leaving it on the back seat of the car that was used to collect QC Kerr from Port Talbot. These are dirty tactics and worthy of a criminal mindset. The fact that the only cuttings that were in the envelope were of those Councilors who had commented to a Newspaper of their opposition to the Chief Executive’s questionable pension arrangements. That was nothing but a despicable and cowardly act clearly designed to jeopardize any chance of a vote on the Agenda’s main issue. I would like to share with you a few unsavory ‘definitions’ that for one reason or another have come to mind, although there is no suggestion that any of them apply to our beloved County Council. Political corruption - is the use of power by government officials for illegitimate private gain. An illegal act by an officeholder constitutes political corruption only if the act is directly related to their official duties, is done under color of law or involves trading in influence. Trading in influence - or influence peddling, refers to a person selling his/her influence over the decision making process to benefit a third party (person or institution). Trading in influence involves the use of "improper influence", as in article 12 of the Criminal Law Convention on Corruption (ETS 173)[14] of the Council of Europe. Embezzlement - is theft of entrusted funds. It is political when it involves public money taken by a public official for use by anyone not specified by the public. A common type of embezzlement is that of personal use of entrusted government resources; for example, when an official assigns public employees to renovate his own house. Kickbacks - A kickback is an official's share of misappropriated funds allocated from his or her organization to an organization involved in corrupt bidding. For example, suppose that a politician is in charge of choosing how to spend some public funds. He can give a contract to a company that is not the best bidder, or allocate more than they deserve. In this case, the company benefits, and in exchange for betraying the public, the official receives a kickback payment, which is a portion of the sum the company received. Nepotism and cronyism - favouring personal friends of an official is a form of illegitimate private gain. A milder form of cronyism is an "old boy network", in which appointees to official positions are selected only from a closed and exclusive social network – instead of appointing the most competent candidate. Patronage - refers to favoring supporters, for example with government employment. It can be seen as corruption if this means that incompetent persons, as a payment for supporting the regime, are selected before more able ones. I suppose there is one consolation in that Wayne Rooney is unlikely to sign up to the Council in the near future. His £300,000 a week makes Parry-Jones’s package of £194,000/year a mere pittance. The planned £1,800,000 retirement cheque for P-J will almost place him on Benefit Street….poor chap. I’m surprised that our Council Workers – condescendingly described by Jamie Adams as “those on the front line” – are not donating their offered 1% Sail-taffy
  • Score: 20

1:40am Wed 26 Feb 14

Flashbang says...

Sail-taffy
You have nailed down all the salient points perfectly, pity this wasn't posted months ago. Please keep adding it to all the coming articles wherever JA and BPJ's names turn up.
Sail-taffy You have nailed down all the salient points perfectly, pity this wasn't posted months ago. Please keep adding it to all the coming articles wherever JA and BPJ's names turn up. Flashbang
  • Score: 7

8:38am Wed 26 Feb 14

Tttoommy says...

Flashbang wrote:
Sail-taffy
You have nailed down all the salient points perfectly, pity this wasn't posted months ago. Please keep adding it to all the coming articles wherever JA and BPJ's names turn up.
I see Bryn and Jamie or their family are looking at these comments as there are minuses are against some comments - pity you didn't ask them to realise working for the council was a vocation, to help your fellow man NOT a chance to help themselves at the trough despite being so ruddy useless you couldn't even get a job as a street sweeper in your own council - oink, oink,oink
[quote][p][bold]Flashbang[/bold] wrote: Sail-taffy You have nailed down all the salient points perfectly, pity this wasn't posted months ago. Please keep adding it to all the coming articles wherever JA and BPJ's names turn up.[/p][/quote]I see Bryn and Jamie or their family are looking at these comments as there are minuses are against some comments - pity you didn't ask them to realise working for the council was a vocation, to help your fellow man NOT a chance to help themselves at the trough despite being so ruddy useless you couldn't even get a job as a street sweeper in your own council - oink, oink,oink Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

8:54am Wed 26 Feb 14

KeanJo says...

Giving a minus to Wikipedia. They must be getting desperate.
Giving a minus to Wikipedia. They must be getting desperate. KeanJo
  • Score: -1

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