Beware huge Council Tax rises for Pembrokeshire public if local authority mergers go ahead - council leader

Pembrokeshire Council Tax payers would be forking out considerably more if potential local authority boundary changes go ahead, it was said this week.

Pembrokeshire County Council Leader, Councillor Jamie Adams, has compared the Pembrokeshire Council Tax rise of 3.4 per cent to what it have been had the council been amalgamated with neighbouring local authorities, as is proposed.

Councillor Adams said he regretted the increase of 3.4 per cent, even though it was the lowest in both cash and percentage terms in Wales.

However he stressed he was also deeply concerned that the people of Pembrokeshire should understand the financial implications of the Williams Report on local government reorganisation if it is adopted by the Welsh Government.

The report suggests two possibilities: amalgamating Pembrokeshire with Ceredigion or Pembrokeshire with Ceredigion and Carmarthenshire - the so called ‘new Dyfed’ option.

Councillor Adams said: “Had I been speaking not as the Leader of Pembrokeshire County Council but as Leader of ‘new Dyfed’, the Council Tax rise for those in Band D would not have been just 3.4 per cent but a whopping 26 per cent.

“That’s an extra £193 a year to Pembrokeshire Council Tax payers. For those in Band I it would be an eye-watering £450 increase.

“Likewise, were we to be twinned with Ceredigion, the Council Tax increase would have been 15.9 per cent or £118 a year.

“I think these massive increases speak for themselves and should provide food for thought for those who advocate local government reorganisation.”

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10:00am Sun 16 Mar 14

Flashbang says...

Who'd want you as the leader of "new Dyfed"? You're way beyond your abilities stuffing up Pembrokeshire. Do us all a favour and quit.
Who'd want you as the leader of "new Dyfed"? You're way beyond your abilities stuffing up Pembrokeshire. Do us all a favour and quit. Flashbang
  • Score: 31

10:21am Sun 16 Mar 14

nomeames says...

First health services and now the council mergers. What else is in store for people of pembrokeshire?
First health services and now the council mergers. What else is in store for people of pembrokeshire? nomeames
  • Score: 9

10:33am Sun 16 Mar 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Can he please be prevailed upon to share the basis of his calculations with us?
Can he please be prevailed upon to share the basis of his calculations with us? Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 21

10:44am Sun 16 Mar 14

Flashbang says...

Indeview J Hudson wrote:
Can he please be prevailed upon to share the basis of his calculations with us?
It might have something to do with him being the leader and how much more his expenses and allowances would amount to if he got his hands on the money supply for 3 counties.
[quote][p][bold]Indeview J Hudson[/bold] wrote: Can he please be prevailed upon to share the basis of his calculations with us?[/p][/quote]It might have something to do with him being the leader and how much more his expenses and allowances would amount to if he got his hands on the money supply for 3 counties. Flashbang
  • Score: 23

10:48am Sun 16 Mar 14

chizy says...

Leader of New Dyfed?

Maybe LaLa Land.

And why would you give Band I as an example (£424.001 and above)?

Folly Farm, you have to book this guy for the Easter season...........
Leader of New Dyfed? Maybe LaLa Land. And why would you give Band I as an example (£424.001 and above)? Folly Farm, you have to book this guy for the Easter season........... chizy
  • Score: 18

11:30am Sun 16 Mar 14

pembrokedock123 says...

the other councils he quotes have better services - for instance in social care of old people and care for vulnerable children and neither have had parts of their councils taken into special measures. you get what you pay for and there is no saying the people of pembrokeshire would not prefer better services that they pay for through proper council tax instead of low council tax, low standard services delivered by part time council staff and yet the highest paid senior officers (and senior councillors?) in Wales. it is not the vulnerable people of Pembrokeshire who benefit from that but only the senior council staff. Unfortunately the current PCC does not provide a good reason to keep any PCC.
the other councils he quotes have better services - for instance in social care of old people and care for vulnerable children and neither have had parts of their councils taken into special measures. you get what you pay for and there is no saying the people of pembrokeshire would not prefer better services that they pay for through proper council tax instead of low council tax, low standard services delivered by part time council staff and yet the highest paid senior officers (and senior councillors?) in Wales. it is not the vulnerable people of Pembrokeshire who benefit from that but only the senior council staff. Unfortunately the current PCC does not provide a good reason to keep any PCC. pembrokedock123
  • Score: 25

11:41am Sun 16 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Trying now to save his and all his cronies skin by shock tactics, should have thought about amalgamation before allowing this council to get out of control.
Trying now to save his and all his cronies skin by shock tactics, should have thought about amalgamation before allowing this council to get out of control. seaveiw
  • Score: 19

11:59am Sun 16 Mar 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

While focussing attention on his lowest 3.4% increase in council tax, our poor book keeper fails to mention the !3.42% increase in discretionary fees and charges for services that we use and pay for "over the counter" approved by his Council.

Looking to the future, and possible mergers, how much longer can the PCC "lowest council tax in wales" continue. If this has to be ramped up to meet the cost of basic essential services that have already been cut to the bone, and increases in fees and charges is no longer a soft option, what will PCC's council tax go up to? We are likely to find ourselves paying more anyway.
While focussing attention on his lowest 3.4% increase in council tax, our poor book keeper fails to mention the !3.42% increase in discretionary fees and charges for services that we use and pay for "over the counter" approved by his Council. Looking to the future, and possible mergers, how much longer can the PCC "lowest council tax in wales" continue. If this has to be ramped up to meet the cost of basic essential services that have already been cut to the bone, and increases in fees and charges is no longer a soft option, what will PCC's council tax go up to? We are likely to find ourselves paying more anyway. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 16

12:19pm Sun 16 Mar 14

KeanJo says...

I'd like to see his calculations.A new Administration ,but retaining the existing County names would require 100 fewer Councillors saving what £3m a year,2 fewer Chief Executives - £0.5 m,:10 fewer Directors and about 20 second tier senior staff,£3 to 4 m,economies of scale on legal services, finance departments, architectural design,highway and bridge design would save money : further savings could be obtained by more use of local private companies.Sorry Jamie but the calculations required are much more complex than averaging the council tax on the three existing Authorities. You need to try a little harder.
I'd like to see his calculations.A new Administration ,but retaining the existing County names would require 100 fewer Councillors saving what £3m a year,2 fewer Chief Executives - £0.5 m,:10 fewer Directors and about 20 second tier senior staff,£3 to 4 m,economies of scale on legal services, finance departments, architectural design,highway and bridge design would save money : further savings could be obtained by more use of local private companies.Sorry Jamie but the calculations required are much more complex than averaging the council tax on the three existing Authorities. You need to try a little harder. KeanJo
  • Score: 21

1:38pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

Indeview J Hudson wrote:
Can he please be prevailed upon to share the basis of his calculations with us?
sorry, it's on the back of a fag packet somewhere, In the car possibly or in his coat It's expected to be found in four years time
[quote][p][bold]Indeview J Hudson[/bold] wrote: Can he please be prevailed upon to share the basis of his calculations with us?[/p][/quote]sorry, it's on the back of a fag packet somewhere, In the car possibly or in his coat It's expected to be found in four years time Tttoommy
  • Score: 15

1:43pm Sun 16 Mar 14

chizy says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Indeview J Hudson wrote:
Can he please be prevailed upon to share the basis of his calculations with us?
sorry, it's on the back of a fag packet somewhere, In the car possibly or in his coat It's expected to be found in four years time
Nah, it's in the white envelope on the back seat of the waiting car or is that kerr?
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Indeview J Hudson[/bold] wrote: Can he please be prevailed upon to share the basis of his calculations with us?[/p][/quote]sorry, it's on the back of a fag packet somewhere, In the car possibly or in his coat It's expected to be found in four years time[/p][/quote]Nah, it's in the white envelope on the back seat of the waiting car or is that kerr? chizy
  • Score: 12

1:45pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

This man really has no shame, why don't you crawl back under a rock!

Let's be honest Pembs is a failing council, criticised by every organisation that has anything to do with it including The Senedd and the High Court - surely If we get rid of a £200k chief exec who expects the tax payers pay for his financial advice on how to avoid tax and all the other pigs at the trough we'd be SAVING money not throwing it down the drains.
PS Ceredigions Chief Exec makes do with a £100k salary, maybe it's time the new Dyfed starts paying its managers a more realistic salary.

For long enough they've gone on about comparisons with Industry -

WHAT? I have a choice to chose a better supplier?

Do they have much choice where the money goes? Its given to them by Government and topped up by us, they're then told where to spend most of it - that's NOT competition and that's not entrepreneurship
This man really has no shame, why don't you crawl back under a rock! Let's be honest Pembs is a failing council, criticised by every organisation that has anything to do with it including The Senedd and the High Court - surely If we get rid of a £200k chief exec who expects the tax payers pay for his financial advice on how to avoid tax and all the other pigs at the trough we'd be SAVING money not throwing it down the drains. PS Ceredigions Chief Exec makes do with a £100k salary, maybe it's time the new Dyfed starts paying its managers a more realistic salary. For long enough they've gone on about comparisons with Industry - WHAT? I have a choice to chose a better supplier? Do they have much choice where the money goes? Its given to them by Government and topped up by us, they're then told where to spend most of it - that's NOT competition and that's not entrepreneurship Tttoommy
  • Score: 12

1:50pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Bluestone says...

According to the Commission on Public Service Governance and Delivery report (pages 320 to 322), it says a Pembs/Ceredigion merger will cost Pembs residents an extra 9% on their Council tax bill, if they throw in Carmarthenshire that increases to 18.5%. In other words we will be subsidising the other two!
According to the Commission on Public Service Governance and Delivery report (pages 320 to 322), it says a Pembs/Ceredigion merger will cost Pembs residents an extra 9% on their Council tax bill, if they throw in Carmarthenshire that increases to 18.5%. In other words we will be subsidising the other two! Bluestone
  • Score: 15

1:58pm Sun 16 Mar 14

quentin says...

Trying to put the frighteners on us Mr Adams.? I would be prepared to pay a bit more if it meant we had services that did what they are supposed to do.
Trying to put the frighteners on us Mr Adams.? I would be prepared to pay a bit more if it meant we had services that did what they are supposed to do. quentin
  • Score: 16

2:49pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Bluestone says...

quentin wrote:
Trying to put the frighteners on us Mr Adams.? I would be prepared to pay a bit more if it meant we had services that did what they are supposed to do.
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it...all 18.5% of it!
[quote][p][bold]quentin[/bold] wrote: Trying to put the frighteners on us Mr Adams.? I would be prepared to pay a bit more if it meant we had services that did what they are supposed to do.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you wish for, you may get it...all 18.5% of it! Bluestone
  • Score: 6

5:38pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

Bluestone wrote:
quentin wrote:
Trying to put the frighteners on us Mr Adams.? I would be prepared to pay a bit more if it meant we had services that did what they are supposed to do.
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it...all 18.5% of it!
Bluestone? was that the place BPJ and his mates threw a few million at without any advice or consultation?
[quote][p][bold]Bluestone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]quentin[/bold] wrote: Trying to put the frighteners on us Mr Adams.? I would be prepared to pay a bit more if it meant we had services that did what they are supposed to do.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you wish for, you may get it...all 18.5% of it![/p][/quote]Bluestone? was that the place BPJ and his mates threw a few million at without any advice or consultation? Tttoommy
  • Score: 9

6:36pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Bluestone says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Bluestone wrote:
quentin wrote:
Trying to put the frighteners on us Mr Adams.? I would be prepared to pay a bit more if it meant we had services that did what they are supposed to do.
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it...all 18.5% of it!
Bluestone? was that the place BPJ and his mates threw a few million at without any advice or consultation?
Ha ha good one Tttoommy, but I like the name because of the Preselis and Stonehenge - nothing to do with that lot!
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bluestone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]quentin[/bold] wrote: Trying to put the frighteners on us Mr Adams.? I would be prepared to pay a bit more if it meant we had services that did what they are supposed to do.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you wish for, you may get it...all 18.5% of it![/p][/quote]Bluestone? was that the place BPJ and his mates threw a few million at without any advice or consultation?[/p][/quote]Ha ha good one Tttoommy, but I like the name because of the Preselis and Stonehenge - nothing to do with that lot! Bluestone
  • Score: 4

11:01am Mon 17 Mar 14

Pembrokeshireboy72 says...

I can't speak for everyone in Pembrokeshire (as I'm not a politician or a council leader), but at the end of the day, all I want is value for money. I want those who are elected into these positions, who are paid public money - our money - to do their jobs, to actually DO them, and do them well.

Our biggest problem is the lack of accountability. Bless him, but Huw George for instance, rather than gets fired gets given a different position as head of something else. I heard a story from a friend who overhead him being questioned by a teenager who asked him outright "What do you actually do?" A short time later he resigned his position. Our young people aren't stupid, and neither are the rest of us voters.

My councillor has definitely lost my vote on account of this whole fiasco, which is nothing more than an embarrassment to the people of Pembs. Not once have the council apologised. All we get are the bog standard 'since this incident improvements have been made.'

The fact remains that until we get decent candidates standing at the elections these people will get in time and time again. If only we had the option of voting 'none of the above' this would sort it out once and for all.

This whole thing has shown PCC up to be who they really are, and their intentions are becoming increasingly clear. I feel sorry for the ordinary council workers, particularly those who are diligently working, as they're getting tarred with the same brush.
I can't speak for everyone in Pembrokeshire (as I'm not a politician or a council leader), but at the end of the day, all I want is value for money. I want those who are elected into these positions, who are paid public money - our money - to do their jobs, to actually DO them, and do them well. Our biggest problem is the lack of accountability. Bless him, but Huw George for instance, rather than gets fired gets given a different position as head of something else. I heard a story from a friend who overhead him being questioned by a teenager who asked him outright "What do you actually do?" A short time later he resigned his position. Our young people aren't stupid, and neither are the rest of us voters. My councillor has definitely lost my vote on account of this whole fiasco, which is nothing more than an embarrassment to the people of Pembs. Not once have the council apologised. All we get are the bog standard 'since this incident improvements have been made.' The fact remains that until we get decent candidates standing at the elections these people will get in time and time again. If only we had the option of voting 'none of the above' this would sort it out once and for all. This whole thing has shown PCC up to be who they really are, and their intentions are becoming increasingly clear. I feel sorry for the ordinary council workers, particularly those who are diligently working, as they're getting tarred with the same brush. Pembrokeshireboy72
  • Score: 13

12:17pm Mon 17 Mar 14

js9325 says...

The only purpose of the proposed amalgamation is to try to ensure that the elected council will be politically aligned. It has nothing to do with saving money or giving better services, it has everything to do with the politicians not liking independent councils, be they incompetent or competent. Clearly Cardiff Bay thinks it will end up as a Labour council, or at worst a Labour/Plaid coalition - the important thing for them is that it isn't independent.
The only purpose of the proposed amalgamation is to try to ensure that the elected council will be politically aligned. It has nothing to do with saving money or giving better services, it has everything to do with the politicians not liking independent councils, be they incompetent or competent. Clearly Cardiff Bay thinks it will end up as a Labour council, or at worst a Labour/Plaid coalition - the important thing for them is that it isn't independent. js9325
  • Score: 8

2:11pm Mon 17 Mar 14

taffytubby says...

js9325 wrote:
The only purpose of the proposed amalgamation is to try to ensure that the elected council will be politically aligned. It has nothing to do with saving money or giving better services, it has everything to do with the politicians not liking independent councils, be they incompetent or competent. Clearly Cardiff Bay thinks it will end up as a Labour council, or at worst a Labour/Plaid coalition - the important thing for them is that it isn't independent.
The current bunch of charlatans are not independent- one of the IPCC is still a labour member. Jamie Adams is scare mongering because it threatens his gravy train, not the services in Pembrokeshire. If he gave a **** about Pembrokeshire he would have the good grace to clear his desk and bugger off.
[quote][p][bold]js9325[/bold] wrote: The only purpose of the proposed amalgamation is to try to ensure that the elected council will be politically aligned. It has nothing to do with saving money or giving better services, it has everything to do with the politicians not liking independent councils, be they incompetent or competent. Clearly Cardiff Bay thinks it will end up as a Labour council, or at worst a Labour/Plaid coalition - the important thing for them is that it isn't independent.[/p][/quote]The current bunch of charlatans are not independent- one of the IPCC is still a labour member. Jamie Adams is scare mongering because it threatens his gravy train, not the services in Pembrokeshire. If he gave a **** about Pembrokeshire he would have the good grace to clear his desk and bugger off. taffytubby
  • Score: 7

5:55pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Rockface says...

I think a merge and increase in community tax will provide better value for money 'in terms of' what we are getting now!
I think a merge and increase in community tax will provide better value for money 'in terms of' what we are getting now! Rockface
  • Score: 2

7:12pm Mon 17 Mar 14

KeanJo says...

Still a few minus makers around
Still a few minus makers around KeanJo
  • Score: 6

8:32pm Mon 17 Mar 14

PCC Weasel says...

My oh my but the IPPG must be getting rather desperate if this scare story is the best "spin" they could put out to counteract all the recent bad press they have been getting.

The fact that its littered with inaccurate and misleading information is though no surprise as the IPPG are getting a solid reputation now for pedalling misinformation if not downright lies.

It is much more complex than Farmer Adams suggests to calculate the potential increase to Pembrokeshire residents and what he fails to take account of is the large proportion of the Council Tax that is not in their control. When the precepts for both the Police and Community Councils are included the net percentage rises are considerably lower than quoted.

Indeed the Williams report itself quotes much lower forecast increases and that is based on average CC precepts across each authority. But even this is misleading as it does not include the efficiency savings that will result from any merger. The reduction in Members and Senior Management for a start will save millions and that alone will reduce if not completely offset any increase in Council Tax that would result from harmonising the individual rates.
My oh my but the IPPG must be getting rather desperate if this scare story is the best "spin" they could put out to counteract all the recent bad press they have been getting. The fact that its littered with inaccurate and misleading information is though no surprise as the IPPG are getting a solid reputation now for pedalling misinformation if not downright lies. It is much more complex than Farmer Adams suggests to calculate the potential increase to Pembrokeshire residents and what he fails to take account of is the large proportion of the Council Tax that is not in their control. When the precepts for both the Police and Community Councils are included the net percentage rises are considerably lower than quoted. Indeed the Williams report itself quotes much lower forecast increases and that is based on average CC precepts across each authority. But even this is misleading as it does not include the efficiency savings that will result from any merger. The reduction in Members and Senior Management for a start will save millions and that alone will reduce if not completely offset any increase in Council Tax that would result from harmonising the individual rates. PCC Weasel
  • Score: 7

7:57am Tue 18 Mar 14

Milford Matters says...

Probably the best thing for everyone - merge and get all senior officers from both (or more) existing Councils to apply for thier own jobs at salary levels the County can afford. Re shape the method of running the council to Committees and do away with the crooked cabinet cronyism.
Probably the best thing for everyone - merge and get all senior officers from both (or more) existing Councils to apply for thier own jobs at salary levels the County can afford. Re shape the method of running the council to Committees and do away with the crooked cabinet cronyism. Milford Matters
  • Score: 5

9:27am Tue 18 Mar 14

KeanJo says...

I'm glad you said that MM. From the outset I thought the Cabinet system is wrong and said as much in the so called public consultation farce we had beforehand .The ol Committee system was much better and Chairmen were selected within the Committee for a period of 1 or 2 years - often from outside the ruling group,Directors then worked with their Chairmen who was responsible to the Chairman of the CC.The CE worked with the Chairman and the DirectorsThe system gave members much more direct involvement in running the Authority and frankly with Directors of the right calibre there was little or no need for a CE whose legal role could be carried out by the Head of legal services.I wonder what others think.
I'm glad you said that MM. From the outset I thought the Cabinet system is wrong and said as much in the so called public consultation farce we had beforehand .The ol Committee system was much better and Chairmen were selected within the Committee for a period of 1 or 2 years - often from outside the ruling group,Directors then worked with their Chairmen who was responsible to the Chairman of the CC.The CE worked with the Chairman and the DirectorsThe system gave members much more direct involvement in running the Authority and frankly with Directors of the right calibre there was little or no need for a CE whose legal role could be carried out by the Head of legal services.I wonder what others think. KeanJo
  • Score: 6

9:44am Tue 18 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Jamie is suggesting that the cost of low council tax is crime, corruption and cronyism by our "leaders" and that it is a price worth paying.

I would rather pay more and have an honest, open and transparent organisation.

Such is the dearth of open, honest and transparent people in the world of government, both local and national, I fear that a move to a bigger consolidated authority will just mean more of the same rubbish. Look at the EU for instance - about as anti-democratic and corrupt as it gets.

Public office is now seen as a lucrative career and is dominated by liars, egotists and sociopaths who are in the game solely to further their own ends. It may well be that it has always been thus but it is only at this point in time that the thin veneer of faux-democracy has been shown up for what it is by the spotlight of the internet.

That we are apparently seeing more and more people posting and voicing their opinions on blogs and in comments can only be a good thing.

The people need to take back their country and their counties from the political class of thieves, liars and sociopaths who are hellbent on taking as much as they can for themselves while they are in power.
Jamie is suggesting that the cost of low council tax is crime, corruption and cronyism by our "leaders" and that it is a price worth paying. I would rather pay more and have an honest, open and transparent organisation. Such is the dearth of open, honest and transparent people in the world of government, both local and national, I fear that a move to a bigger consolidated authority will just mean more of the same rubbish. Look at the EU for instance - about as anti-democratic and corrupt as it gets. Public office is now seen as a lucrative career and is dominated by liars, egotists and sociopaths who are in the game solely to further their own ends. It may well be that it has always been thus but it is only at this point in time that the thin veneer of faux-democracy has been shown up for what it is by the spotlight of the internet. That we are apparently seeing more and more people posting and voicing their opinions on blogs and in comments can only be a good thing. The people need to take back their country and their counties from the political class of thieves, liars and sociopaths who are hellbent on taking as much as they can for themselves while they are in power. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 8

11:04am Tue 18 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

Jamie Adams.....Farmergedd
on!!!!
Jamie Adams.....Farmergedd on!!!! Martin Lewis
  • Score: 5

5:21am Wed 19 Mar 14

Milford Matters says...

Interesting to research the election success of Mr. Adams who claims to have the People of Pembrokeshire on his side:

2012 - no votes

2008 - no votes

2004 - 572 votes - less than 50% of the electorial role of Camrose

In 2011 the population census for Pembrokeshire was 122,400 - you do the maths

People of Camrose - save us!!!!!
Interesting to research the election success of Mr. Adams who claims to have the People of Pembrokeshire on his side: 2012 - no votes 2008 - no votes 2004 - 572 votes - less than 50% of the electorial role of Camrose In 2011 the population census for Pembrokeshire was 122,400 - you do the maths People of Camrose - save us!!!!! Milford Matters
  • Score: 7

12:28pm Wed 19 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Bluestone wrote:
According to the Commission on Public Service Governance and Delivery report (pages 320 to 322), it says a Pembs/Ceredigion merger will cost Pembs residents an extra 9% on their Council tax bill, if they throw in Carmarthenshire that increases to 18.5%. In other words we will be subsidising the other two!
Yes but hopefully we as electors will be justified by paying more, its worth to remove all the Pembrokeshire mobsters. One look at our high street that say s it all another two shops going now, this council has no vision. Now I hear the tourist information centre is closing and moving to the library no tourist going to go up there, also heard no tourist inf being produced this year.What is happening to the library what an eyesore,maybe building a residential home on the site.
[quote][p][bold]Bluestone[/bold] wrote: According to the Commission on Public Service Governance and Delivery report (pages 320 to 322), it says a Pembs/Ceredigion merger will cost Pembs residents an extra 9% on their Council tax bill, if they throw in Carmarthenshire that increases to 18.5%. In other words we will be subsidising the other two![/p][/quote]Yes but hopefully we as electors will be justified by paying more, its worth to remove all the Pembrokeshire mobsters. One look at our high street that say s it all another two shops going now, this council has no vision. Now I hear the tourist information centre is closing and moving to the library no tourist going to go up there, also heard no tourist inf being produced this year.What is happening to the library what an eyesore,maybe building a residential home on the site. seaveiw
  • Score: 4

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