Calls for suspended EU grant funds to be released

Work at 10 Meyrick Street is among the projects to receive money from the fund

Work at 10 Meyrick Street is among the projects to receive money from the fund

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PEMBROKESHIRE County Council is to urge the Welsh Government to lift its suspension on funding for the property grant scheme in Pembroke and Pembroke Dock.

A council spokesman confirmed the matter was discussed by cabinet on Monday (April 7) following the exclusion of the press and public.

The controversial Pembroke and Pembroke Dock Commercial Property Grant Scheme (CPGS) – part of which is the subject of a police investigation into allegations of fraud – came under the spotlight again last week after the Welsh Government announced it had suspended funding.

A Welsh Government spokesman said: "As a precautionary measure, WEFO (the Wales European Funding Office) has temporarily suspended EU funds payments to Pembrokeshire County Council in respect of its CPGS while the council's review of eligibility of expenditure is under way."

Dyfed-Powys Police has previously confirmed that allegations of fraud relating to part of the scheme are being investigated. The council referred the matter to the police after concerns were raised by councillors.

The council spokesman added: “Recognising the benefits of the projects awaiting funding, cabinet determined to urge WEFO to provide confirmation of the expected additional European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) contribution as soon as possible.”

The £1.47m CPGS has helped restore a number of properties in the towns.

At Monday’s meeting, council chief executive Bryn Parry Jones said applications approved by cabinet in December and January were to be discussed in private “now that the funding is not as clear as it once was”.

Four grants totalling nearly £400,000 were approved by members at those meetings.

Pembroke Dock county councillor Sue Perkins said: “This funding has made a tremendous amount of difference to Pembroke Dock. It would be such a loss to Pembroke Dock and Pembroke to lose that funding now.

“We want the town to thrive and the way it presents itself makes the difference as to whether people stop or drive past. The grants make that difference.”

 

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3:30pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Electra1 says...

Yes there are a couple of shops that look fantastic because of these grants but also there are some that are awful (Paul Satori for one).
Yes there are a couple of shops that look fantastic because of these grants but also there are some that are awful (Paul Satori for one). Electra1
  • Score: 9

3:40pm Tue 8 Apr 14

seaveiw says...

He we go again this council is stumbling from one crisis to another without any getting resolved, now two police investigations. Come on Welsh Assembly move and sort them out.
He we go again this council is stumbling from one crisis to another without any getting resolved, now two police investigations. Come on Welsh Assembly move and sort them out. seaveiw
  • Score: 13

4:56pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Gogledd says...

If the Welsh Govt turn a blind eye to all of this then they put themselves in the same basket as this lot in the Kremlin.
If the Welsh Govt turn a blind eye to all of this then they put themselves in the same basket as this lot in the Kremlin. Gogledd
  • Score: 11

5:04pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Judges and prisons often let off or let out guilty perps and they go back to a life of crime so no harm in asking ;-)

By that I don't suggest that anyone has done anything wrong in Pembs, its just worth a try so they can finish the job they started and waste even more tax payers money
Judges and prisons often let off or let out guilty perps and they go back to a life of crime so no harm in asking ;-) By that I don't suggest that anyone has done anything wrong in Pembs, its just worth a try so they can finish the job they started and waste even more tax payers money Tttoommy
  • Score: -2

5:27pm Tue 8 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

The "free money" scam has been going on for as long as I can remember, as long as you know the right people and the right palms are greased. The folks who tried to pull this one off were just unlucky they got pulled. They left too much evidence. They will know better next time.

Then again, how about we just stop giving public money to private development?

Councillor Perkins suggests that the funding has made a tremendous difference to Pembroke Dock. Has she walked around the town recently?
The "free money" scam has been going on for as long as I can remember, as long as you know the right people and the right palms are greased. The folks who tried to pull this one off were just unlucky they got pulled. They left too much evidence. They will know better next time. Then again, how about we just stop giving public money to private development? Councillor Perkins suggests that the funding has made a tremendous difference to Pembroke Dock. Has she walked around the town recently? PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 22

1:01am Wed 9 Apr 14

Doc Malik says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
The "free money" scam has been going on for as long as I can remember, as long as you know the right people and the right palms are greased. The folks who tried to pull this one off were just unlucky they got pulled. They left too much evidence. They will know better next time.

Then again, how about we just stop giving public money to private development?

Councillor Perkins suggests that the funding has made a tremendous difference to Pembroke Dock. Has she walked around the town recently?
If she's not too ashamed to show her face in Pembroke Dock, she should be, Sue Perkins seems to suggest that turning a blind eye to allegations of fraud involving public money is okay as long as some more bedsits are built.
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: The "free money" scam has been going on for as long as I can remember, as long as you know the right people and the right palms are greased. The folks who tried to pull this one off were just unlucky they got pulled. They left too much evidence. They will know better next time. Then again, how about we just stop giving public money to private development? Councillor Perkins suggests that the funding has made a tremendous difference to Pembroke Dock. Has she walked around the town recently?[/p][/quote]If she's not too ashamed to show her face in Pembroke Dock, she should be, Sue Perkins seems to suggest that turning a blind eye to allegations of fraud involving public money is okay as long as some more bedsits are built. Doc Malik
  • Score: 16

1:03am Wed 9 Apr 14

Doc Malik says...

If Sue Perkins isn't too ashamed to show her face in Pembroke Dock, she should be
If Sue Perkins isn't too ashamed to show her face in Pembroke Dock, she should be Doc Malik
  • Score: 9

1:14am Wed 9 Apr 14

Flashbang says...

"At Monday’s meeting, council chief executive Bryn Parry Jones said applications approved by cabinet in December and January were to be discussed in private “now that the funding is not as clear as it once was”.

Sorry Bryn but the locals want to know who is getting the money and what their relationship to various councillors is.
"At Monday’s meeting, council chief executive Bryn Parry Jones said applications approved by cabinet in December and January were to be discussed in private “now that the funding is not as clear as it once was”. Sorry Bryn but the locals want to know who is getting the money and what their relationship to various councillors is. Flashbang
  • Score: 11

1:57am Wed 9 Apr 14

malcolm calver says...

I thought that these schemes where supervised by Pembrokeshire County Council staff, therefore any payments to contractors / owners would have to be agreed with architects, quantity surveyors etc. If fraud is proved there must have been collusion with the supervisory organizations officers,

Pembrokeshire Man suggests we should "we just stop giving public money to private development". I would totally agree as this gives control of business to politicians and bureaucrates, who most likely could not run a whelk stall themselves. The only problem with this is you have to reduce taxation, on both business and individuals to allow this to happen, something both national and local government resist..

You can see by the attitude taken by Labour Party member Sue Perkins in relation to this affair and the use of taxpayers money why her party is in favour of us staying in the European Union. Time to stop pouring taxpayers money into town centres and turn many of them back to residential areas.
I thought that these schemes where supervised by Pembrokeshire County Council staff, therefore any payments to contractors / owners would have to be agreed with architects, quantity surveyors etc. If fraud is proved there must have been collusion with the supervisory organizations officers, Pembrokeshire Man suggests we should "we just stop giving public money to private development". I would totally agree as this gives control of business to politicians and bureaucrates, who most likely could not run a whelk stall themselves. The only problem with this is you have to reduce taxation, on both business and individuals to allow this to happen, something both national and local government resist.. You can see by the attitude taken by Labour Party member Sue Perkins in relation to this affair and the use of taxpayers money why her party is in favour of us staying in the European Union. Time to stop pouring taxpayers money into town centres and turn many of them back to residential areas. malcolm calver
  • Score: 8

8:12am Wed 9 Apr 14

Electra1 says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
The "free money" scam has been going on for as long as I can remember, as long as you know the right people and the right palms are greased. The folks who tried to pull this one off were just unlucky they got pulled. They left too much evidence. They will know better next time.

Then again, how about we just stop giving public money to private development?

Councillor Perkins suggests that the funding has made a tremendous difference to Pembroke Dock. Has she walked around the town recently?
As far as I know someone who wants to 'do up' their shop has to put money in the pot as well. This doesn't mean that I agree with what has been going on far from it and I am glad the police have been called in and I also think grants should be put on hold until the police have separated the wheat from the chaff.
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: The "free money" scam has been going on for as long as I can remember, as long as you know the right people and the right palms are greased. The folks who tried to pull this one off were just unlucky they got pulled. They left too much evidence. They will know better next time. Then again, how about we just stop giving public money to private development? Councillor Perkins suggests that the funding has made a tremendous difference to Pembroke Dock. Has she walked around the town recently?[/p][/quote]As far as I know someone who wants to 'do up' their shop has to put money in the pot as well. This doesn't mean that I agree with what has been going on far from it and I am glad the police have been called in and I also think grants should be put on hold until the police have separated the wheat from the chaff. Electra1
  • Score: 7

10:10am Wed 9 Apr 14

seaveiw says...

Electra1 wrote:
PembrokeshireMan wrote:
The "free money" scam has been going on for as long as I can remember, as long as you know the right people and the right palms are greased. The folks who tried to pull this one off were just unlucky they got pulled. They left too much evidence. They will know better next time.

Then again, how about we just stop giving public money to private development?

Councillor Perkins suggests that the funding has made a tremendous difference to Pembroke Dock. Has she walked around the town recently?
As far as I know someone who wants to 'do up' their shop has to put money in the pot as well. This doesn't mean that I agree with what has been going on far from it and I am glad the police have been called in and I also think grants should be put on hold until the police have separated the wheat from the chaff.
Would have been better spent reducing shop rates and then the owners may be able to afford to enhance their own properties.
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: The "free money" scam has been going on for as long as I can remember, as long as you know the right people and the right palms are greased. The folks who tried to pull this one off were just unlucky they got pulled. They left too much evidence. They will know better next time. Then again, how about we just stop giving public money to private development? Councillor Perkins suggests that the funding has made a tremendous difference to Pembroke Dock. Has she walked around the town recently?[/p][/quote]As far as I know someone who wants to 'do up' their shop has to put money in the pot as well. This doesn't mean that I agree with what has been going on far from it and I am glad the police have been called in and I also think grants should be put on hold until the police have separated the wheat from the chaff.[/p][/quote]Would have been better spent reducing shop rates and then the owners may be able to afford to enhance their own properties. seaveiw
  • Score: 7

10:24am Wed 9 Apr 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

Bryn says grants approved in Dec & Jan will now have to be discussed in private, WHY? This is now of public record so what is he trying to keep secret?
Also without grant money, many if not all these properties would fall into dilapidation and would continue to drag the towns down. Grant money is not "free money" but an aid to owners and developers to incentivise the regeneration of properties and in this case was matched by much money from the said owners. Haverfordwest would benefit from this scheme if it were available as it to is looking like Manchester after the war
Bryn says grants approved in Dec & Jan will now have to be discussed in private, WHY? This is now of public record so what is he trying to keep secret? Also without grant money, many if not all these properties would fall into dilapidation and would continue to drag the towns down. Grant money is not "free money" but an aid to owners and developers to incentivise the regeneration of properties and in this case was matched by much money from the said owners. Haverfordwest would benefit from this scheme if it were available as it to is looking like Manchester after the war JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: 9

1:25pm Wed 9 Apr 14

taffystuart says...

I am a landlord with property in Pembroke Dock and I am concerned that my investment is being dramatically devalued by recent developments in the area.
The figure of £1.47m of CPGS (whatever that stands for) grant money has apparently helped restore a number of properties.
Does anyone have itemised details of who the recipients of this huge amount have been and when the grants were authorised?
I am a landlord with property in Pembroke Dock and I am concerned that my investment is being dramatically devalued by recent developments in the area. The figure of £1.47m of CPGS (whatever that stands for) grant money has apparently helped restore a number of properties. Does anyone have itemised details of who the recipients of this huge amount have been and when the grants were authorised? taffystuart
  • Score: 6

1:29pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Rockface says...

Cllr Sue Perkins - when are you going to open your eyes and stand up for the people of Pembroke Dock. £1.47m could have been managed better and perhaps used to employ local people to do this work which would have been tremendous difference! We need local thinking i.e. more people earning to spend in these shops - it's called local economy!
The best shop upgrade I have seen in Pembroke Dock is the coffee shop on the corner of Dimond Street, and I believe the owner did this himself without any financial assistance!
Cllr Sue Perkins - when are you going to open your eyes and stand up for the people of Pembroke Dock. £1.47m could have been managed better and perhaps used to employ local people to do this work which would have been tremendous difference! We need local thinking i.e. more people earning to spend in these shops - it's called local economy! The best shop upgrade I have seen in Pembroke Dock is the coffee shop on the corner of Dimond Street, and I believe the owner did this himself without any financial assistance! Rockface
  • Score: 6

1:47pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Electra1 says...

taffystuart wrote:
I am a landlord with property in Pembroke Dock and I am concerned that my investment is being dramatically devalued by recent developments in the area.
The figure of £1.47m of CPGS (whatever that stands for) grant money has apparently helped restore a number of properties.
Does anyone have itemised details of who the recipients of this huge amount have been and when the grants were authorised?
http://freespace.vir
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[quote][p][bold]taffystuart[/bold] wrote: I am a landlord with property in Pembroke Dock and I am concerned that my investment is being dramatically devalued by recent developments in the area. The figure of £1.47m of CPGS (whatever that stands for) grant money has apparently helped restore a number of properties. Does anyone have itemised details of who the recipients of this huge amount have been and when the grants were authorised?[/p][/quote]http://freespace.vir gin.net/oldgrumpy.mi ke/April%2025%202013 A.html Electra1
  • Score: 3

3:26pm Wed 9 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

JonnyBlueJeans wrote:
Bryn says grants approved in Dec & Jan will now have to be discussed in private, WHY? This is now of public record so what is he trying to keep secret?
Also without grant money, many if not all these properties would fall into dilapidation and would continue to drag the towns down. Grant money is not "free money" but an aid to owners and developers to incentivise the regeneration of properties and in this case was matched by much money from the said owners. Haverfordwest would benefit from this scheme if it were available as it to is looking like Manchester after the war
Indeed, what are they trying to cover up this time?

In times past the little people would have blindly accepted that our overlords needed certain matters to be kept confidential. Not anymore. All trust is gone. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

I would have to disagree with the suggestion that grant money is not free money. Grant money, whether it be match funded by the recipient or not, does not, generally, have to be paid back. We are back to privatising the gains and socialising the losses. If the said owners want to risk their own money developing property for gain then that should be their business, not everybody's.

Buildings become dilapidated because landlords would rather have empty properties rather than to lower rents or lower sale prices, marking to fantasy rather than marking to market.
[quote][p][bold]JonnyBlueJeans[/bold] wrote: Bryn says grants approved in Dec & Jan will now have to be discussed in private, WHY? This is now of public record so what is he trying to keep secret? Also without grant money, many if not all these properties would fall into dilapidation and would continue to drag the towns down. Grant money is not "free money" but an aid to owners and developers to incentivise the regeneration of properties and in this case was matched by much money from the said owners. Haverfordwest would benefit from this scheme if it were available as it to is looking like Manchester after the war[/p][/quote]Indeed, what are they trying to cover up this time? In times past the little people would have blindly accepted that our overlords needed certain matters to be kept confidential. Not anymore. All trust is gone. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice... I would have to disagree with the suggestion that grant money is not free money. Grant money, whether it be match funded by the recipient or not, does not, generally, have to be paid back. We are back to privatising the gains and socialising the losses. If the said owners want to risk their own money developing property for gain then that should be their business, not everybody's. Buildings become dilapidated because landlords would rather have empty properties rather than to lower rents or lower sale prices, marking to fantasy rather than marking to market. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Mike Stoddart says...

For those not familiar with the system, the grant rates are: restoration of architectural heritage (windows, shopfronts) 90%; structural repairs (rendering, reslating etc) 70%; and refurbishment of retail space 40%.
At No 29 Dimond Street Pembroke Dock, the grants paid under these various categories were £18,187, £23,627 and £21,312 respectively - £63,127 total.
The 40% grant (£21,312) for refurbishing the inside of the shop represents gross expenditure of £53,270.
For those not familiar with the system, the grant rates are: restoration of architectural heritage (windows, shopfronts) 90%; structural repairs (rendering, reslating etc) 70%; and refurbishment of retail space 40%. At No 29 Dimond Street Pembroke Dock, the grants paid under these various categories were £18,187, £23,627 and £21,312 respectively - £63,127 total. The 40% grant (£21,312) for refurbishing the inside of the shop represents gross expenditure of £53,270. Mike Stoddart
  • Score: 10

4:19pm Wed 9 Apr 14

KeanJo says...

When CC Stoddart brought his misgivings to the attention of the County Council , it should immediately have been investigated thoroughly by the responsible Director and the Chief Executive should have ensured that this was done .Instead the attitude in County Hall seems to have been - Oh it's only Stoddart stirring things again tell him to sod off which of course David Pugh took quite literally. As a result they may well have lost valuable funding for Pembrokeshire. This Council don't seem to be capable of getting anything right and it his high time the Leader and his Cabinet resigned en bloc.
When CC Stoddart brought his misgivings to the attention of the County Council , it should immediately have been investigated thoroughly by the responsible Director and the Chief Executive should have ensured that this was done .Instead the attitude in County Hall seems to have been - Oh it's only Stoddart stirring things again tell him to sod off which of course David Pugh took quite literally. As a result they may well have lost valuable funding for Pembrokeshire. This Council don't seem to be capable of getting anything right and it his high time the Leader and his Cabinet resigned en bloc. KeanJo
  • Score: 11

4:24pm Wed 9 Apr 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

taffystuart wrote:
I am a landlord with property in Pembroke Dock and I am concerned that my investment is being dramatically devalued by recent developments in the area.
The figure of £1.47m of CPGS (whatever that stands for) grant money has apparently helped restore a number of properties.
Does anyone have itemised details of who the recipients of this huge amount have been and when the grants were authorised?
Yes of course. PCC have that info. Good luck getting it !!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]taffystuart[/bold] wrote: I am a landlord with property in Pembroke Dock and I am concerned that my investment is being dramatically devalued by recent developments in the area. The figure of £1.47m of CPGS (whatever that stands for) grant money has apparently helped restore a number of properties. Does anyone have itemised details of who the recipients of this huge amount have been and when the grants were authorised?[/p][/quote]Yes of course. PCC have that info. Good luck getting it !!!!!!!! JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: 3

4:33pm Wed 9 Apr 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

malcolm calver wrote:
I thought that these schemes where supervised by Pembrokeshire County Council staff, therefore any payments to contractors / owners would have to be agreed with architects, quantity surveyors etc. If fraud is proved there must have been collusion with the supervisory organizations officers,

Pembrokeshire Man suggests we should "we just stop giving public money to private development". I would totally agree as this gives control of business to politicians and bureaucrates, who most likely could not run a whelk stall themselves. The only problem with this is you have to reduce taxation, on both business and individuals to allow this to happen, something both national and local government resist..

You can see by the attitude taken by Labour Party member Sue Perkins in relation to this affair and the use of taxpayers money why her party is in favour of us staying in the European Union. Time to stop pouring taxpayers money into town centres and turn many of them back to residential areas.
Your assertion that "there must have been collusion with the supervisory organisation officer" is based on nothing more than your own dislike for the scheme. There has certainly been a mishandling of it by staff at PCC however that does not automatically mean that they are involved in any way. You should wait for the police inquiry to do its work before you start making claims such as that. Also you idea that the grant system gives control of a business to politicians is total nonsense. You should think before you speak
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: I thought that these schemes where supervised by Pembrokeshire County Council staff, therefore any payments to contractors / owners would have to be agreed with architects, quantity surveyors etc. If fraud is proved there must have been collusion with the supervisory organizations officers, Pembrokeshire Man suggests we should "we just stop giving public money to private development". I would totally agree as this gives control of business to politicians and bureaucrates, who most likely could not run a whelk stall themselves. The only problem with this is you have to reduce taxation, on both business and individuals to allow this to happen, something both national and local government resist.. You can see by the attitude taken by Labour Party member Sue Perkins in relation to this affair and the use of taxpayers money why her party is in favour of us staying in the European Union. Time to stop pouring taxpayers money into town centres and turn many of them back to residential areas.[/p][/quote]Your assertion that "there must have been collusion with the supervisory organisation officer" is based on nothing more than your own dislike for the scheme. There has certainly been a mishandling of it by staff at PCC however that does not automatically mean that they are involved in any way. You should wait for the police inquiry to do its work before you start making claims such as that. Also you idea that the grant system gives control of a business to politicians is total nonsense. You should think before you speak JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: -2

4:36pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Nobody has done a "Maria Miller" yet at Pembs. CC, perhaps they really think they can fool all the ppl all of the time or just worried about the consequences If the gang don't stick together - I ask the more decent members of the IPPG to do the decent thing and vote with their hearts rather than their special allowances
Nobody has done a "Maria Miller" yet at Pembs. CC, perhaps they really think they can fool all the ppl all of the time or just worried about the consequences If the gang don't stick together - I ask the more decent members of the IPPG to do the decent thing and vote with their hearts rather than their special allowances Tttoommy
  • Score: 4

7:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

KeanJo says...

Mike Stoddart gave some relevant figures on the Pembroke Dock fiasco and someone gave him a minus . They must be getting really desperate.
Mike Stoddart gave some relevant figures on the Pembroke Dock fiasco and someone gave him a minus . They must be getting really desperate. KeanJo
  • Score: 8

4:15am Thu 10 Apr 14

malcolm calver says...

If it is proved that projects have received grant money for work not carried out or overmeasured I wouId appreciate Jenny Blue Jeans explaining to me how this could happen, without collusion between the builder / property owner and the person authorizing the grant payment. I am course assuming that any work authorized for payment was measured in a bill of quantities.

Surely Jenny Blue Jeans can see that town centres cannot survive, remember Pembroke Dock had a major works carried out several years ago which was supposed to save the town. I would appreciate you Jenny supplying me with a list of the type of shops you feel would enhance Pembroke Dock.
If it is proved that projects have received grant money for work not carried out or overmeasured I wouId appreciate Jenny Blue Jeans explaining to me how this could happen, without collusion between the builder / property owner and the person authorizing the grant payment. I am course assuming that any work authorized for payment was measured in a bill of quantities. Surely Jenny Blue Jeans can see that town centres cannot survive, remember Pembroke Dock had a major works carried out several years ago which was supposed to save the town. I would appreciate you Jenny supplying me with a list of the type of shops you feel would enhance Pembroke Dock. malcolm calver
  • Score: 3

7:59am Thu 10 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Why does Bryn and the "gang" want to discuss this in private?

Legally there has to be a proper meeting with notes taken , they cannot any longer have informal chats after rolling their trousers up, promising to put their mason friends above their families or the Law and flashing their nips with their pals as surely the Senedd and the Police are at last keeping tabs on our honest public servants.

PS expecting "someone" to follow guidelines is not an excuse for you to claim a few million quid for constructive dismissal OK?
Why does Bryn and the "gang" want to discuss this in private? Legally there has to be a proper meeting with notes taken , they cannot any longer have informal chats after rolling their trousers up, promising to put their mason friends above their families or the Law and flashing their nips with their pals as surely the Senedd and the Police are at last keeping tabs on our honest public servants. PS expecting "someone" to follow guidelines is not an excuse for you to claim a few million quid for constructive dismissal OK? Tttoommy
  • Score: 0

11:44am Thu 10 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

There is a real risk that these suspended EU grants become permanently withheld and then in effect it looks like Pembroke and Pembroke Dock will lose out twice and why ? Because of mismanagement at County Hall. Well done BPJ and your ever-so-loyal collective of councillor cronies, yet again you have let us down. Pembrokeshire will never move forward with this bunch at the helm and the sooner we all stand up and say enough is enough the better. Pembrokeshire and it's people deserve so much better. This is not a democracy, these councillors are not certainly not looking after our interests. These sheep need to be returned to the field where they belong.
There is a real risk that these suspended EU grants become permanently withheld and then in effect it looks like Pembroke and Pembroke Dock will lose out twice and why ? Because of mismanagement at County Hall. Well done BPJ and your ever-so-loyal collective of councillor cronies, yet again you have let us down. Pembrokeshire will never move forward with this bunch at the helm and the sooner we all stand up and say enough is enough the better. Pembrokeshire and it's people deserve so much better. This is not a democracy, these councillors are not certainly not looking after our interests. These sheep need to be returned to the field where they belong. Bilbo101
  • Score: 1

11:59am Thu 10 Apr 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

malcolm calver wrote:
If it is proved that projects have received grant money for work not carried out or overmeasured I wouId appreciate Jenny Blue Jeans explaining to me how this could happen, without collusion between the builder / property owner and the person authorizing the grant payment. I am course assuming that any work authorized for payment was measured in a bill of quantities.

Surely Jenny Blue Jeans can see that town centres cannot survive, remember Pembroke Dock had a major works carried out several years ago which was supposed to save the town. I would appreciate you Jenny supplying me with a list of the type of shops you feel would enhance Pembroke Dock.
The name is Jonny not Jenny. If you spent a bit of time checking facts instead of spouting overblown opinion you might have more credence
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: If it is proved that projects have received grant money for work not carried out or overmeasured I wouId appreciate Jenny Blue Jeans explaining to me how this could happen, without collusion between the builder / property owner and the person authorizing the grant payment. I am course assuming that any work authorized for payment was measured in a bill of quantities. Surely Jenny Blue Jeans can see that town centres cannot survive, remember Pembroke Dock had a major works carried out several years ago which was supposed to save the town. I would appreciate you Jenny supplying me with a list of the type of shops you feel would enhance Pembroke Dock.[/p][/quote]The name is Jonny not Jenny. If you spent a bit of time checking facts instead of spouting overblown opinion you might have more credence JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: -8

9:29am Fri 11 Apr 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

If you were in charge of entrusting the distribution of public money for which you were accountable, to another organisation you might wish to have some confidence in their ability to administer grant schemes and your money properly. Even more so when that organisation had issued and accepted mistaken internal official reassurances that all was well.
I understand that these assurances were based on Audit by sampling, which did not embrace the schemes now under investigation.
If you were in charge of entrusting the distribution of public money for which you were accountable, to another organisation you might wish to have some confidence in their ability to administer grant schemes and your money properly. Even more so when that organisation had issued and accepted mistaken internal official reassurances that all was well. I understand that these assurances were based on Audit by sampling, which did not embrace the schemes now under investigation. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Mon 14 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

The origin of the funds, the EU, is a corrupt, anti-democratic construct full of self-serving bureaucrats interested only in obfuscation and creaming off funds for themselves and their friends.

I'm sure you can see where I'm heading with this one.
The origin of the funds, the EU, is a corrupt, anti-democratic construct full of self-serving bureaucrats interested only in obfuscation and creaming off funds for themselves and their friends. I'm sure you can see where I'm heading with this one. PembrokeshireMan
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2:32pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Electra1 says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
The origin of the funds, the EU, is a corrupt, anti-democratic construct full of self-serving bureaucrats interested only in obfuscation and creaming off funds for themselves and their friends.

I'm sure you can see where I'm heading with this one.
Only a blind man couldn't see.
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: The origin of the funds, the EU, is a corrupt, anti-democratic construct full of self-serving bureaucrats interested only in obfuscation and creaming off funds for themselves and their friends. I'm sure you can see where I'm heading with this one.[/p][/quote]Only a blind man couldn't see. Electra1
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10:49am Tue 15 Apr 14

seaveiw says...

taffystuart wrote:
I am a landlord with property in Pembroke Dock and I am concerned that my investment is being dramatically devalued by recent developments in the area.
The figure of £1.47m of CPGS (whatever that stands for) grant money has apparently helped restore a number of properties.
Does anyone have itemised details of who the recipients of this huge amount have been and when the grants were authorised?
Doubt whether you can drag out information but we should be able to do so. Councillor Perkins suorises me, not that I am one of her constituents never seen her before the Big suspension meeting, I thought she would have gone with her socialist heart and not her independent supporter head. Time now Sue to join the other side
[quote][p][bold]taffystuart[/bold] wrote: I am a landlord with property in Pembroke Dock and I am concerned that my investment is being dramatically devalued by recent developments in the area. The figure of £1.47m of CPGS (whatever that stands for) grant money has apparently helped restore a number of properties. Does anyone have itemised details of who the recipients of this huge amount have been and when the grants were authorised?[/p][/quote]Doubt whether you can drag out information but we should be able to do so. Councillor Perkins suorises me, not that I am one of her constituents never seen her before the Big suspension meeting, I thought she would have gone with her socialist heart and not her independent supporter head. Time now Sue to join the other side seaveiw
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11:18am Tue 15 Apr 14

Dave Edwards says...

Interesting comments today on oldgrumpy.co.uk
Interesting comments today on oldgrumpy.co.uk Dave Edwards
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