'Master plan' for docks goes on display

Western Telegraph: NEW VIEW: An artist's impression of the view looking towards the town centre.  (5102595) NEW VIEW: An artist's impression of the view looking towards the town centre. (5102595)

PLANS that could see Milford Haven docks transformed into a contemporary leisure ‘destination’ with 120 new homes went on display last Thursday (March 27).

Local people were invited to take a closer look at the Port of Milford Haven’s new ‘master plan’ which, if granted planning permission, would see the area undergo a radical transformation and create up to 500 new jobs.

New homes, shops and restaurant units, and the potential for a modern multi-screen cinema would complement more room for local businesses, the option of local boat trips, and improved facilities for berth holders.

Jeff Teague, estates director for the Port, said the development would herald a “new era” for the town.

“The whole of this town grew around the docks,” he said. “The question is what can they now do for town?”

At the centre of the plans, new headquarters would showcase the Port’s work, and help locals and visitors alike understand more about Milford’s role in energy production.

“It will help people understand how technology has helped fuel get from Quatar to their kitchen,” said Mr Teague.

He said the town’s museum would also have an important role to play in telling the ‘story of Milford Haven’, and that more would be done to promote the museum and to modernise it.

The five-year project would also include plans to create a new, faster lock to improve access for berth holders, and a footbridge to make it easier for people to walk between Hakin and the main town.

Mr Teague said that between 400 and 500 people had taken part in the two-year consultation, with locals responding best to the “general improvement in the offer and the fact someone is actually doing something for the town”.

Mayor of Milford Haven, Cllr Yvonne Southwell, said that, after two years’ consultation, the Port’s plan looked “thoroughly researched” and she hopes it succeeds in being granted planning permission.

“I think it’s going to be a great enhancement for Milford Haven, and will bring in more tourists.

“It will be a much better use of the space, and beneficial for boat users and the local community,” she said.

Charles Street shop owner Lynn Turner said any investment in the town was a great idea, but she added that it was time the Port stopped ‘paying lip service’ to the idea of linking the docks with the town centre.

“We have to accept that the two areas are two separate sectors, and their target shoppers are quite different,” she said.

“It’s ridiculous to say Charles Street and the marina are a single retail area.”

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5:46pm Thu 10 Apr 14

mayday says...

"Thoroughly researched" - but where will the dry dock work be done once its converted to a boat park?
"Thoroughly researched" - but where will the dry dock work be done once its converted to a boat park? mayday
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6:14pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Gogledd says...

This is unbelievable. They cant sell the flats there now and the shops are empty and the whole place is deserted. No one goes there...nothing there...why would they?...
This is unbelievable. They cant sell the flats there now and the shops are empty and the whole place is deserted. No one goes there...nothing there...why would they?... Gogledd
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6:36pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Gogledd says...

sorry just another few thoughts...this isnt Salcombe or Plymouth...its Milford Haven. It isnt the dream location of every man and his dog in the UK. They go to Devon or Cornwall...and those that come to Pembrokeshire on holiday either go to Tenby or find their ideal dream cottage hidden away in SECLUSION. If they come by boat they sleep on their boat they dont suddenly rush out and say...oooooh lets go and buy a flat and I shouldnt imagine they are desperate to go to the pics either. So who are you catering for here. The Yacht/boat people or what and who?...being as I said before...its deserted even in the middle of the season. The Waterfront Gallery is the only decent attraction, the shops that are there...a matter of taste...the flats are empty, desperate for sales...so why build more.
sorry just another few thoughts...this isnt Salcombe or Plymouth...its Milford Haven. It isnt the dream location of every man and his dog in the UK. They go to Devon or Cornwall...and those that come to Pembrokeshire on holiday either go to Tenby or find their ideal dream cottage hidden away in SECLUSION. If they come by boat they sleep on their boat they dont suddenly rush out and say...oooooh lets go and buy a flat and I shouldnt imagine they are desperate to go to the pics either. So who are you catering for here. The Yacht/boat people or what and who?...being as I said before...its deserted even in the middle of the season. The Waterfront Gallery is the only decent attraction, the shops that are there...a matter of taste...the flats are empty, desperate for sales...so why build more. Gogledd
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9:47pm Thu 10 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Herein lies the problem with cheap money.

While the UK economy relies on the debt created for property development in order to register "growth" then pie-in-the-sky developments like this will continue to be funded and built. Nobody will care a jot if it is occupied or not. Like the ghost cities of China.
Herein lies the problem with cheap money. While the UK economy relies on the debt created for property development in order to register "growth" then pie-in-the-sky developments like this will continue to be funded and built. Nobody will care a jot if it is occupied or not. Like the ghost cities of China. PembrokeshireMan
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9:59pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Gogledd says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
Herein lies the problem with cheap money.

While the UK economy relies on the debt created for property development in order to register "growth" then pie-in-the-sky developments like this will continue to be funded and built. Nobody will care a jot if it is occupied or not. Like the ghost cities of China.
So true, these cities in China are truly amazing, no one lives there and no one can because they are just that housing estates but no work, no community just built for the sake of it. What hits me in the face at the moment is the colossal waste of money or Government and other are committing on supposedly our behalf. We throw away millions of tonnes of food and waste what is it 500 million on this Tamil Flu Vaccine and all the ridiculous schemes we hear about that are just great white elephants at the end of the day. This is the end of the line people. Do you really believe all the propaganda the govt is putting about at the moment about low inflation and all the money we have in our pockets to spend...its just hype..look around you...there isnt any money around, there is no work, its all put about to make u feel better but its not true. This is going to be yet another great white elephant. It already is.!!
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: Herein lies the problem with cheap money. While the UK economy relies on the debt created for property development in order to register "growth" then pie-in-the-sky developments like this will continue to be funded and built. Nobody will care a jot if it is occupied or not. Like the ghost cities of China.[/p][/quote]So true, these cities in China are truly amazing, no one lives there and no one can because they are just that housing estates but no work, no community just built for the sake of it. What hits me in the face at the moment is the colossal waste of money or Government and other are committing on supposedly our behalf. We throw away millions of tonnes of food and waste what is it 500 million on this Tamil Flu Vaccine and all the ridiculous schemes we hear about that are just great white elephants at the end of the day. This is the end of the line people. Do you really believe all the propaganda the govt is putting about at the moment about low inflation and all the money we have in our pockets to spend...its just hype..look around you...there isnt any money around, there is no work, its all put about to make u feel better but its not true. This is going to be yet another great white elephant. It already is.!! Gogledd
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9:12am Fri 11 Apr 14

Rob Edwards says...

I believe that the best way to help the Pembrokeshire economy would be remove the trade disincentive that is the Cleddau bridge toll. This would encourage the peoples of north and south Pembrokeshire to shop around without being taxed for the privilege.
I believe that the best way to help the Pembrokeshire economy would be remove the trade disincentive that is the Cleddau bridge toll. This would encourage the peoples of north and south Pembrokeshire to shop around without being taxed for the privilege. Rob Edwards
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10:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

andoman says...

Blimey.. A man could get depressed listening to you guys

A latent market exists in and outside Pembrokeshire. How many of us drive elsewhere for much of what we want? How much of our spend is sent outside our borders?

You have the mindset of people who want us to have nothing so you can complain we have nothing, because you like complaining we have nothing.

I want this to be a well researched, market driven investment that sees as many pounds as possible spent within our borders, both in development and as a destination. Do the homework and it will work if the market is there. Just like Portsmouth and Carmarthen.

Which one of you lobsters is happy to let the one that got out make it over the quay wall?
Blimey.. A man could get depressed listening to you guys A latent market exists in and outside Pembrokeshire. How many of us drive elsewhere for much of what we want? How much of our spend is sent outside our borders? You have the mindset of people who want us to have nothing so you can complain we have nothing, because you like complaining we have nothing. I want this to be a well researched, market driven investment that sees as many pounds as possible spent within our borders, both in development and as a destination. Do the homework and it will work if the market is there. Just like Portsmouth and Carmarthen. Which one of you lobsters is happy to let the one that got out make it over the quay wall? andoman
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1:10pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Bluestone says...

andoman wrote:
Blimey.. A man could get depressed listening to you guys

A latent market exists in and outside Pembrokeshire. How many of us drive elsewhere for much of what we want? How much of our spend is sent outside our borders?

You have the mindset of people who want us to have nothing so you can complain we have nothing, because you like complaining we have nothing.

I want this to be a well researched, market driven investment that sees as many pounds as possible spent within our borders, both in development and as a destination. Do the homework and it will work if the market is there. Just like Portsmouth and Carmarthen.

Which one of you lobsters is happy to let the one that got out make it over the quay wall?
At last...somebody gets it!!
[quote][p][bold]andoman[/bold] wrote: Blimey.. A man could get depressed listening to you guys A latent market exists in and outside Pembrokeshire. How many of us drive elsewhere for much of what we want? How much of our spend is sent outside our borders? You have the mindset of people who want us to have nothing so you can complain we have nothing, because you like complaining we have nothing. I want this to be a well researched, market driven investment that sees as many pounds as possible spent within our borders, both in development and as a destination. Do the homework and it will work if the market is there. Just like Portsmouth and Carmarthen. Which one of you lobsters is happy to let the one that got out make it over the quay wall?[/p][/quote]At last...somebody gets it!! Bluestone
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1:24pm Fri 11 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

andoman wrote:
Blimey.. A man could get depressed listening to you guys

A latent market exists in and outside Pembrokeshire. How many of us drive elsewhere for much of what we want? How much of our spend is sent outside our borders?

You have the mindset of people who want us to have nothing so you can complain we have nothing, because you like complaining we have nothing.

I want this to be a well researched, market driven investment that sees as many pounds as possible spent within our borders, both in development and as a destination. Do the homework and it will work if the market is there. Just like Portsmouth and Carmarthen.

Which one of you lobsters is happy to let the one that got out make it over the quay wall?
I would suggest that my view is realistic rather than being outright negative.

I would obviously welcome investment into the county but does the county need more shops and restaurants? Does Milford marina need more flats when it cannot fill the ones it has already? Who is going to live in the flats and spend in the shops and restaurants? It would seem unlikely that a few hundred Murco workers will be able to in the near future. I am certainly not anti investment, I am anti mal-investment.

As hard as I try to imagine Milford as a leisure destination I just cannot envisage it. Maybe I've lived in Pembrokeshire too long to have the vision to see the transformation that would be needed.
[quote][p][bold]andoman[/bold] wrote: Blimey.. A man could get depressed listening to you guys A latent market exists in and outside Pembrokeshire. How many of us drive elsewhere for much of what we want? How much of our spend is sent outside our borders? You have the mindset of people who want us to have nothing so you can complain we have nothing, because you like complaining we have nothing. I want this to be a well researched, market driven investment that sees as many pounds as possible spent within our borders, both in development and as a destination. Do the homework and it will work if the market is there. Just like Portsmouth and Carmarthen. Which one of you lobsters is happy to let the one that got out make it over the quay wall?[/p][/quote]I would suggest that my view is realistic rather than being outright negative. I would obviously welcome investment into the county but does the county need more shops and restaurants? Does Milford marina need more flats when it cannot fill the ones it has already? Who is going to live in the flats and spend in the shops and restaurants? It would seem unlikely that a few hundred Murco workers will be able to in the near future. I am certainly not anti investment, I am anti mal-investment. As hard as I try to imagine Milford as a leisure destination I just cannot envisage it. Maybe I've lived in Pembrokeshire too long to have the vision to see the transformation that would be needed. PembrokeshireMan
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9:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Has anyone been to the Costa del Sol recently?

It used to be nice 40 years ago.

Now it is just huge enclaves of immigrants, intent on speaking only their mother tongue, interspersed among concrete tower blocks that are empty for most of the year with the poor local population forced back into the foothills, unable to afford the property on the coast, servicing the leathery skinned monied folk just to get by.

Sound familiar?
Has anyone been to the Costa del Sol recently? It used to be nice 40 years ago. Now it is just huge enclaves of immigrants, intent on speaking only their mother tongue, interspersed among concrete tower blocks that are empty for most of the year with the poor local population forced back into the foothills, unable to afford the property on the coast, servicing the leathery skinned monied folk just to get by. Sound familiar? PembrokeshireMan
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11:34am Sat 12 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Ok, so where can these plans be viewed exactly ? I can't find them online, not even on the port authorities website. The artist impression drawings available here are pretty low quality and don't illustrate much.

Cllr Southwell thinks that the plans look to have been “thoroughly researched", really ? I would love to see the market research on the multi-screen cinema. All this cinema will do is take much needed business away from the Torch. I have been to the new multi-screen cinema in Carmarthen a number of times and on each occasion the seats have never been more than a third full, so if a multi-screen in Carmarthen is not being a big success then I cannot imagine that one at the end of the line in Milford Docks is going to do much better.

Personally I love the marina and docks area and view these developments as generally positive but I think it is going to take a bit more than a multi-screen cinema, boat trips and a few more restaurants to realise the dream of transforming this area into a vibrant and busy leisure attraction.

It would be great if there was something similar to the Queens Hall Narberth in the Marina but again it would take much needed business away from the Torch. Maybe the answer ( though probably not financially possible and I don't know if they have the space ) would be if the Torch was to relocate to the marina now I think that would have a significant impact and would hugely benefit both the marina and the theatre.

It would be great if these plans, the consultation and market research were available online so we could all contribute. Maybe they are available online somewhere but I can't find them, anyone know where they can be viewed ?
Ok, so where can these plans be viewed exactly ? I can't find them online, not even on the port authorities website. The artist impression drawings available here are pretty low quality and don't illustrate much. Cllr Southwell thinks that the plans look to have been “thoroughly researched", really ? I would love to see the market research on the multi-screen cinema. All this cinema will do is take much needed business away from the Torch. I have been to the new multi-screen cinema in Carmarthen a number of times and on each occasion the seats have never been more than a third full, so if a multi-screen in Carmarthen is not being a big success then I cannot imagine that one at the end of the line in Milford Docks is going to do much better. Personally I love the marina and docks area and view these developments as generally positive but I think it is going to take a bit more than a multi-screen cinema, boat trips and a few more restaurants to realise the dream of transforming this area into a vibrant and busy leisure attraction. It would be great if there was something similar to the Queens Hall Narberth in the Marina but again it would take much needed business away from the Torch. Maybe the answer ( though probably not financially possible and I don't know if they have the space ) would be if the Torch was to relocate to the marina now I think that would have a significant impact and would hugely benefit both the marina and the theatre. It would be great if these plans, the consultation and market research were available online so we could all contribute. Maybe they are available online somewhere but I can't find them, anyone know where they can be viewed ? Bilbo101
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9:23am Sun 13 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Gogledd wrote:
This is unbelievable. They cant sell the flats there now and the shops are empty and the whole place is deserted. No one goes there...nothing there...why would they?...
Have to say on a sunny day even in winter we often go there for a bit of a spin, a walk and a coffee.

The Harbourmaster and especially Marthas vinyard do great food - you can tell it has a chef rather than just a "re-heater"

We've found it getting busier slowly over the few years since we're back

Hopefully it shows the recession is over and things are getting better - so long as its not the council trying to "support local businesses" by throwing our money at their friends I have no objection to this plan.
[quote][p][bold]Gogledd[/bold] wrote: This is unbelievable. They cant sell the flats there now and the shops are empty and the whole place is deserted. No one goes there...nothing there...why would they?...[/p][/quote]Have to say on a sunny day even in winter we often go there for a bit of a spin, a walk and a coffee. The Harbourmaster and especially Marthas vinyard do great food - you can tell it has a chef rather than just a "re-heater" We've found it getting busier slowly over the few years since we're back Hopefully it shows the recession is over and things are getting better - so long as its not the council trying to "support local businesses" by throwing our money at their friends I have no objection to this plan. Tttoommy
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10:08am Sun 13 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Gogledd wrote:
This is unbelievable. They cant sell the flats there now and the shops are empty and the whole place is deserted. No one goes there...nothing there...why would they?...
Have to say on a sunny day even in winter we often go there for a bit of a spin, a walk and a coffee.

The Harbourmaster and especially Marthas vinyard do great food - you can tell it has a chef rather than just a "re-heater"

We've found it getting busier slowly over the few years since we're back

Hopefully it shows the recession is over and things are getting better - so long as its not the council trying to "support local businesses" by throwing our money at their friends I have no objection to this plan.
Don't know when the last time you ate at Martha's but their food has been widely seen as pretty awful since their original chef left about 4-5 years ago. We gave them a number of second chances until the last time when my t-bone steak came out like shoe leather and when I complained they replaced it with an equally tough sorry looking thing, definitely not medium-rare. The food is bad and the service is worse. Tttoommy you must have gone there on the chefs day off because pretty much everyone I spoken to who have eaten in Martha's agrees that the food is worse than poor. Martha's is however a lovely place to go for a drink in the summer.

The Harbour Master on the other hand is excellent and must say it is probably our favourite restaurant now that the Georges in Haverfordwest no longer open in the evenings. The only problem with the Harbour Master is that the restaurant is so popular it is almost impossible to get a table on the weekends unless you book weeks in advance.

I would say that there is room for one or more other good restaurants in the marina as the demand is definitely there.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gogledd[/bold] wrote: This is unbelievable. They cant sell the flats there now and the shops are empty and the whole place is deserted. No one goes there...nothing there...why would they?...[/p][/quote]Have to say on a sunny day even in winter we often go there for a bit of a spin, a walk and a coffee. The Harbourmaster and especially Marthas vinyard do great food - you can tell it has a chef rather than just a "re-heater" We've found it getting busier slowly over the few years since we're back Hopefully it shows the recession is over and things are getting better - so long as its not the council trying to "support local businesses" by throwing our money at their friends I have no objection to this plan.[/p][/quote]Don't know when the last time you ate at Martha's but their food has been widely seen as pretty awful since their original chef left about 4-5 years ago. We gave them a number of second chances until the last time when my t-bone steak came out like shoe leather and when I complained they replaced it with an equally tough sorry looking thing, definitely not medium-rare. The food is bad and the service is worse. Tttoommy you must have gone there on the chefs day off because pretty much everyone I spoken to who have eaten in Martha's agrees that the food is worse than poor. Martha's is however a lovely place to go for a drink in the summer. The Harbour Master on the other hand is excellent and must say it is probably our favourite restaurant now that the Georges in Haverfordwest no longer open in the evenings. The only problem with the Harbour Master is that the restaurant is so popular it is almost impossible to get a table on the weekends unless you book weeks in advance. I would say that there is room for one or more other good restaurants in the marina as the demand is definitely there. Bilbo101
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6:11pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

All I can say is that a few months ago I had a truly delicious steak sandwich at Marthas Vinyard, not your usual bog standard one but tryly scrumptious one.
All I can say is that a few months ago I had a truly delicious steak sandwich at Marthas Vinyard, not your usual bog standard one but tryly scrumptious one. Tttoommy
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12:24am Mon 14 Apr 14

Steve in Pembs says...

Just to clarify a few points that are in previous comments -

There are no empty shops on the Marina, businesses that are there appear confident in the future as a couple of them have actually expanded.

Also, there are no empty apartments either, a couple are on the market, as are properties throughout Milford Haven, but certainly none that 'cant be filled'

Martha's Vineyard is under new ownership and is doing very well.

Halen Mor is another restaurant on the Marina which is also doing extremely well.

And when the sun shines it is buzzing down there.
Just to clarify a few points that are in previous comments - There are no empty shops on the Marina, businesses that are there appear confident in the future as a couple of them have actually expanded. Also, there are no empty apartments either, a couple are on the market, as are properties throughout Milford Haven, but certainly none that 'cant be filled' Martha's Vineyard is under new ownership and is doing very well. Halen Mor is another restaurant on the Marina which is also doing extremely well. And when the sun shines it is buzzing down there. Steve in Pembs
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8:30am Mon 14 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
Has anyone been to the Costa del Sol recently?

It used to be nice 40 years ago.

Now it is just huge enclaves of immigrants, intent on speaking only their mother tongue, interspersed among concrete tower blocks that are empty for most of the year with the poor local population forced back into the foothills, unable to afford the property on the coast, servicing the leathery skinned monied folk just to get by.

Sound familiar?
We've got a house there on a small estate of 12 houses, true there are many brits on the new estates but the town itself is 5 miles inland so that's far enough from the coast to ensure Spanishness

We spend the autumn and the spring there as it's such good weather, lovely food and an atmosphere which I guess must be like the 1950s or even 1930s UK where we have parties Christmas, New Year and ppls 50, 60 or 70th birthday parties and the neighbours know and help each other - IF Milford Haven is like that I'm all for it.

I don't see any parallels with the language though, most brits have learnt Spanish - some fluent, some only a few words but they try - here in Pembrokeshire if you "admit" you can speak welsh it automatically classifies you as some sort of welsh fanatic
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: Has anyone been to the Costa del Sol recently? It used to be nice 40 years ago. Now it is just huge enclaves of immigrants, intent on speaking only their mother tongue, interspersed among concrete tower blocks that are empty for most of the year with the poor local population forced back into the foothills, unable to afford the property on the coast, servicing the leathery skinned monied folk just to get by. Sound familiar?[/p][/quote]We've got a house there on a small estate of 12 houses, true there are many brits on the new estates but the town itself is 5 miles inland so that's far enough from the coast to ensure Spanishness We spend the autumn and the spring there as it's such good weather, lovely food and an atmosphere which I guess must be like the 1950s or even 1930s UK where we have parties Christmas, New Year and ppls 50, 60 or 70th birthday parties and the neighbours know and help each other - IF Milford Haven is like that I'm all for it. I don't see any parallels with the language though, most brits have learnt Spanish - some fluent, some only a few words but they try - here in Pembrokeshire if you "admit" you can speak welsh it automatically classifies you as some sort of welsh fanatic Tttoommy
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1:45pm Mon 14 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Tttoommy wrote:
PembrokeshireMan wrote:
Has anyone been to the Costa del Sol recently?

It used to be nice 40 years ago.

Now it is just huge enclaves of immigrants, intent on speaking only their mother tongue, interspersed among concrete tower blocks that are empty for most of the year with the poor local population forced back into the foothills, unable to afford the property on the coast, servicing the leathery skinned monied folk just to get by.

Sound familiar?
We've got a house there on a small estate of 12 houses, true there are many brits on the new estates but the town itself is 5 miles inland so that's far enough from the coast to ensure Spanishness

We spend the autumn and the spring there as it's such good weather, lovely food and an atmosphere which I guess must be like the 1950s or even 1930s UK where we have parties Christmas, New Year and ppls 50, 60 or 70th birthday parties and the neighbours know and help each other - IF Milford Haven is like that I'm all for it.

I don't see any parallels with the language though, most brits have learnt Spanish - some fluent, some only a few words but they try - here in Pembrokeshire if you "admit" you can speak welsh it automatically classifies you as some sort of welsh fanatic
You missed the point of my comment.

This is not so much about integration and language, though there are serious issues relating to these points and the loss of cohesive communities in in both Pembrokeshire and the Costas. (http://www.surineng
lish.com/20090515/ot
hersections/opinion/
brits-dont-learn-spa
nish-200905151721.ht
ml & http://www.theguardi
an.com/world/2011/ma
r/29/europe-news)

It is about property prices, development and the whole premise of Pembrokeshire being nothing more than a play park for the wealthy. Are minimum wage jobs in shops, restaurants and cinemas the best hope our kids are going to have and how will they ever afford to buy their own home on those wages with house prices going higher and higher and no affordable homes being built to take up the slack?

Having lovely beaches on our doorstep is great but if the only people who can afford to enjoy them are those who only visit for a few weeks a year then we will continue to have the the services like health and social care for permanent residents removed. Visitors don't care if Special Care Baby Units or libraries are being closed. They, like you in Spain, just want the restaurants and cafes open and supermarkets to buy their groceries and newspapers.

Maybe I am just being too idealistic in wanting Pembrokeshire to have businesses that don't rely on paying their staff wages that are below living wage levels.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: Has anyone been to the Costa del Sol recently? It used to be nice 40 years ago. Now it is just huge enclaves of immigrants, intent on speaking only their mother tongue, interspersed among concrete tower blocks that are empty for most of the year with the poor local population forced back into the foothills, unable to afford the property on the coast, servicing the leathery skinned monied folk just to get by. Sound familiar?[/p][/quote]We've got a house there on a small estate of 12 houses, true there are many brits on the new estates but the town itself is 5 miles inland so that's far enough from the coast to ensure Spanishness We spend the autumn and the spring there as it's such good weather, lovely food and an atmosphere which I guess must be like the 1950s or even 1930s UK where we have parties Christmas, New Year and ppls 50, 60 or 70th birthday parties and the neighbours know and help each other - IF Milford Haven is like that I'm all for it. I don't see any parallels with the language though, most brits have learnt Spanish - some fluent, some only a few words but they try - here in Pembrokeshire if you "admit" you can speak welsh it automatically classifies you as some sort of welsh fanatic[/p][/quote]You missed the point of my comment. This is not so much about integration and language, though there are serious issues relating to these points and the loss of cohesive communities in in both Pembrokeshire and the Costas. (http://www.surineng lish.com/20090515/ot hersections/opinion/ brits-dont-learn-spa nish-200905151721.ht ml & http://www.theguardi an.com/world/2011/ma r/29/europe-news) It is about property prices, development and the whole premise of Pembrokeshire being nothing more than a play park for the wealthy. Are minimum wage jobs in shops, restaurants and cinemas the best hope our kids are going to have and how will they ever afford to buy their own home on those wages with house prices going higher and higher and no affordable homes being built to take up the slack? Having lovely beaches on our doorstep is great but if the only people who can afford to enjoy them are those who only visit for a few weeks a year then we will continue to have the the services like health and social care for permanent residents removed. Visitors don't care if Special Care Baby Units or libraries are being closed. They, like you in Spain, just want the restaurants and cafes open and supermarkets to buy their groceries and newspapers. Maybe I am just being too idealistic in wanting Pembrokeshire to have businesses that don't rely on paying their staff wages that are below living wage levels. PembrokeshireMan
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9:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

mayday says...

The best hope our kids will have is the potential of highly paid jobs that the new renewable energy businesses in the Haven Waterway Enterprise Zone may create. So then Milford Docks then becomes a destination for them to spend their money. Don't forget that there are also plans to build a marina at Pembroke Dock (with retail, residential and entertainment) for the high earners in the south of the county. I presume all the heavy engineering will be based in Pembroke Dock so Milford will have to focus on technology.
The best hope our kids will have is the potential of highly paid jobs that the new renewable energy businesses in the Haven Waterway Enterprise Zone may create. So then Milford Docks then becomes a destination for them to spend their money. Don't forget that there are also plans to build a marina at Pembroke Dock (with retail, residential and entertainment) for the high earners in the south of the county. I presume all the heavy engineering will be based in Pembroke Dock so Milford will have to focus on technology. mayday
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10:11am Tue 15 Apr 14

mayday says...

To create a marketable tourist destination we should also add an attraction. What plans to bring HMS Warrior back to the Haven? Put her in Milford Dry Dock (instead of filling it in for pleasure boat parking) and the town will be full of visitors all year round.
To create a marketable tourist destination we should also add an attraction. What plans to bring HMS Warrior back to the Haven? Put her in Milford Dry Dock (instead of filling it in for pleasure boat parking) and the town will be full of visitors all year round. mayday
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10:41am Tue 15 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

mayday wrote:
To create a marketable tourist destination we should also add an attraction. What plans to bring HMS Warrior back to the Haven? Put her in Milford Dry Dock (instead of filling it in for pleasure boat parking) and the town will be full of visitors all year round.
Great idea, these are the sort of things that we need, something a little different. Spending a few million on a multi-screen cinema is not going to add much to Milford at all. Yes some in Milford would think it is great to have a bit more film choice but really this is not the sort of attraction that is going to help transform the fortunes of the marina and attract the sort of numbers that are going to be needed to sustain the commercial sector or create that many jobs. The cinema could prove to be the nail in the coffin for the Torch and I think the funds allocated for the development would be better spent on 4 or 5 smaller projects that would have a bigger impact. More ideas like Maydays are needed. An old ship moored in the marina and turned in a restaurant / venue4hire would be another attraction worth considering.
[quote][p][bold]mayday[/bold] wrote: To create a marketable tourist destination we should also add an attraction. What plans to bring HMS Warrior back to the Haven? Put her in Milford Dry Dock (instead of filling it in for pleasure boat parking) and the town will be full of visitors all year round.[/p][/quote]Great idea, these are the sort of things that we need, something a little different. Spending a few million on a multi-screen cinema is not going to add much to Milford at all. Yes some in Milford would think it is great to have a bit more film choice but really this is not the sort of attraction that is going to help transform the fortunes of the marina and attract the sort of numbers that are going to be needed to sustain the commercial sector or create that many jobs. The cinema could prove to be the nail in the coffin for the Torch and I think the funds allocated for the development would be better spent on 4 or 5 smaller projects that would have a bigger impact. More ideas like Maydays are needed. An old ship moored in the marina and turned in a restaurant / venue4hire would be another attraction worth considering. Bilbo101
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