Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive to receive £12,000 for European Elections role

Western Telegraph: Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive to receive £12,000 for European Elections role Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive to receive £12,000 for European Elections role

PEMBROKESHIRE County Council chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones will be paid £12,000 as the regional returning officer for Wales in May’s European Parliament elections, the Western Telegraph can reveal.

But there have been calls for Mr Parry Jones to forfeit the role – which he has held since 1998 - while the police investigate potentially “unlawful” pension payments he received.

The appointment is made by the UK government. A cabinet office spokesman said: “We are closely monitoring developments but it would not be appropriate to comment while a police investigation into this matter is ongoing.”

Councillor Michael Williams has called on council leader Cllr Jamie Adams for an “assurance” Mr Parry-Jones’ salary would be reduced to reflect the time and payment involved.

In an email seen by the Western Telegraph, Cllr Adams’ response stated: “By contract, including national conditions of service, he (like other returning officers) is entitled to fees which are not related to his duties as chief executive.”

He added: “In addition, I am more than satisfied that the chief executive properly works more than his contractual hours on county council duties.”

Cllr Williams told the Western Telegraph: “I would have hoped that, when we look at the multiple problems we now face in Pembrokeshire, he could have forfeited this role and really concentrated his efforts on Pembrokeshire County Council.”

An Electoral Commission spokesman said: “We have been monitoring the situation and our concern is whether or not the elections are well run.

“Everything is as it should be in terms of how the elections are run. It’s not for us to have concerns about a particular individual.”

A Pembrokeshire County Council spokesman said: “The regional returning officer for Wales is a separate role to that of council chief executive, and is independently appointed by the government.”

Back in February, both south Pembrokeshire AM Angela Burns, and mid and west Wales AM Rebecca Evans called for Mr Parry-Jones to stand down as returning officer.

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5:45pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Gogledd says...

Good Grief!! If you or I took time off work to deal with something else...we would most probably be sacked and or our pay stopped while we were doing "other things". This is really all unbelievable but then so is the whole of the façade of Pembrokeshire CC and all that has gone in the past months.
Good Grief!! If you or I took time off work to deal with something else...we would most probably be sacked and or our pay stopped while we were doing "other things". This is really all unbelievable but then so is the whole of the façade of Pembrokeshire CC and all that has gone in the past months. Gogledd
  • Score: 24

6:05pm Tue 15 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

You could not make this up if you tried.

In the most trying time in the history of Pembrokeshire County Council the man at the top feels that he can spend time on other matters and, to make matters worse, he's getting paid more for this time away than a significant portion of the county earns in a year.

Come the revolution comrades...
You could not make this up if you tried. In the most trying time in the history of Pembrokeshire County Council the man at the top feels that he can spend time on other matters and, to make matters worse, he's getting paid more for this time away than a significant portion of the county earns in a year. Come the revolution comrades... PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 23

6:12pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Ruddy DISGUSTING!

I'm not voting in this fiasco of democracy.

Perhaps The Telegraph can send a photographer so we can have another picture of the "gentleman" as I'm really getting sick of the same smug photo
Ruddy DISGUSTING! I'm not voting in this fiasco of democracy. Perhaps The Telegraph can send a photographer so we can have another picture of the "gentleman" as I'm really getting sick of the same smug photo Tttoommy
  • Score: 16

6:19pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Electra1 says...

I am speechless and that makes a first. I don't know how he has the bare face cheek to accept it.
I am speechless and that makes a first. I don't know how he has the bare face cheek to accept it. Electra1
  • Score: 17

6:56pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

It is absolutely amazing considering the tiny amount of work he has to do in relation to elections, most of which is done by council staff. In addition the council staff who take time off to work as election clerks do not lose any of their normal council pay and get paid an extra fee on top so in effect it is like working and getting paid double time and guess what, none of their pay comes out of Bryn's nice £12,000 and as far as I am aware that payment is purely for him alone. Most of the arrangements for the elections are done in council time apart from running the election on the day which involves an early start and late finish. Poor old Bryn has to work a late night and work a couple of extra hours in the evening whilst he waits around to announce the results. £12,000 is not bad for a few hours work, another example of how this guy is creaming it. I would love this guy to come out and explain exactly what he does to deserve this £12,000 and to dispute my assumption that he actually does very little. I would guess that the majority of the arrangements are delegated to the councils election division, namely Glynne Morgan ( Electoral Services Manager ), Gillian King ( Electoral Services Office Manager ) and Kim Puhl
( Electoral Services Assistant ) who get paid out of our council tax money and not Bryn's nice and tidy fat cat fee of £12,000.

We deserve a break down on this £12,000 and an itemised list of all the expenses and an indication as to whether the costs involved such as printing of forms etc come out of the £12,000 or out of the councils central funds ( our council tax money ) and whether the work is actually carried out on council time.

So my question is how much of the £12,000 fee goes directly into Bryns back pocket and how much of it is used on actual election expenses. In addition it would be interesting to know how much of our Council Tax money is being used to fund the expenses.

Just think how many elections there has been since Bryn has been in the job and how much extra the guy has pocketed as a result over the years. No wonder he has a big smile on his face.

Are my assumptions wrong ? Am I / we being far too hard on poor old Bryn ? Maybe if he came out and explained himself once in a while then we might form a different opinion. You never know this guy might be working his knuckles to the bone behind the scenes and putting in 12 hrs a day and doing his utmost for Pembrokeshire and it's people, who knows ??? All I know is that he seems to receive a staggering amount of money for what appears to be little more than chairing council meetings and being a figure head of the council. Maybe somebody in the know can enlighten us on this ???
It is absolutely amazing considering the tiny amount of work he has to do in relation to elections, most of which is done by council staff. In addition the council staff who take time off to work as election clerks do not lose any of their normal council pay and get paid an extra fee on top so in effect it is like working and getting paid double time and guess what, none of their pay comes out of Bryn's nice £12,000 and as far as I am aware that payment is purely for him alone. Most of the arrangements for the elections are done in council time apart from running the election on the day which involves an early start and late finish. Poor old Bryn has to work a late night and work a couple of extra hours in the evening whilst he waits around to announce the results. £12,000 is not bad for a few hours work, another example of how this guy is creaming it. I would love this guy to come out and explain exactly what he does to deserve this £12,000 and to dispute my assumption that he actually does very little. I would guess that the majority of the arrangements are delegated to the councils election division, namely Glynne Morgan ( Electoral Services Manager ), Gillian King ( Electoral Services Office Manager ) and Kim Puhl ( Electoral Services Assistant ) who get paid out of our council tax money and not Bryn's nice and tidy fat cat fee of £12,000. We deserve a break down on this £12,000 and an itemised list of all the expenses and an indication as to whether the costs involved such as printing of forms etc come out of the £12,000 or out of the councils central funds ( our council tax money ) and whether the work is actually carried out on council time. So my question is how much of the £12,000 fee goes directly into Bryns back pocket and how much of it is used on actual election expenses. In addition it would be interesting to know how much of our Council Tax money is being used to fund the expenses. Just think how many elections there has been since Bryn has been in the job and how much extra the guy has pocketed as a result over the years. No wonder he has a big smile on his face. Are my assumptions wrong ? Am I / we being far too hard on poor old Bryn ? Maybe if he came out and explained himself once in a while then we might form a different opinion. You never know this guy might be working his knuckles to the bone behind the scenes and putting in 12 hrs a day and doing his utmost for Pembrokeshire and it's people, who knows ??? All I know is that he seems to receive a staggering amount of money for what appears to be little more than chairing council meetings and being a figure head of the council. Maybe somebody in the know can enlighten us on this ??? Bilbo101
  • Score: 21

7:24pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Shadowlands says...

The lunatics really have taken over the asylum . .
In the private sector any one undergoing a police investigation would be suspended, not rewarded with more "perks"
Disgusted !!
The lunatics really have taken over the asylum . . In the private sector any one undergoing a police investigation would be suspended, not rewarded with more "perks" Disgusted !! Shadowlands
  • Score: 26

7:33pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Ingrid levison says...

Whilst I believe it is ok to accept additional responsibilities to "help out" "gain experience" or because it is for the greater good of Pembrokeshire I would expect any monetary gain to be paid the employer that was allowing that member of staff time to undertake the role - after all Mr Parry Jones is currently employed full time. In my experience senior roles do not have contracted hours but a clause that states " you work the required number of hours to do the job". This does not mean flexi time therefor the hours cannot be claimed back in bulk in order to earn £12k in your own time??? Do the councillor's not discuss and vote on whether his knowledge, skill and expertise can be spared? Then again........ Councillor's voting in a way that reflects the views of Pembrokeshire people may be an impossible task!! Dare those yes vote or even worse the abstainers knock on my door seeking a vote - I will well and truly share my views but not my vote. Shame on the lot of you!!
Whilst I believe it is ok to accept additional responsibilities to "help out" "gain experience" or because it is for the greater good of Pembrokeshire I would expect any monetary gain to be paid the employer that was allowing that member of staff time to undertake the role - after all Mr Parry Jones is currently employed full time. In my experience senior roles do not have contracted hours but a clause that states " you work the required number of hours to do the job". This does not mean flexi time therefor the hours cannot be claimed back in bulk in order to earn £12k in your own time??? Do the councillor's not discuss and vote on whether his knowledge, skill and expertise can be spared? Then again........ Councillor's voting in a way that reflects the views of Pembrokeshire people may be an impossible task!! Dare those yes vote or even worse the abstainers knock on my door seeking a vote - I will well and truly share my views but not my vote. Shame on the lot of you!! Ingrid levison
  • Score: 12

8:43pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Welshman23 says...

Well all our efforts to remove BPJ have failed and just to rub salt into the wound he gets £12k additional monies for the European elections. Nice earner and two fingers to all the Pembrokeshire people. Sad day.
Well all our efforts to remove BPJ have failed and just to rub salt into the wound he gets £12k additional monies for the European elections. Nice earner and two fingers to all the Pembrokeshire people. Sad day. Welshman23
  • Score: 20

8:46pm Tue 15 Apr 14

pembrokedock123 says...

incredible that he does not have the professionalism to stand down - is he seeing how far he can push it? it will be worse for him in the end.

surely the Welsh Government can see to it that he is not given this £12,000 extra job at all.

what will the last straw look like if not this?
incredible that he does not have the professionalism to stand down - is he seeing how far he can push it? it will be worse for him in the end. surely the Welsh Government can see to it that he is not given this £12,000 extra job at all. what will the last straw look like if not this? pembrokedock123
  • Score: 11

9:03pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
It is absolutely amazing considering the tiny amount of work he has to do in relation to elections, most of which is done by council staff. In addition the council staff who take time off to work as election clerks do not lose any of their normal council pay and get paid an extra fee on top so in effect it is like working and getting paid double time and guess what, none of their pay comes out of Bryn's nice £12,000 and as far as I am aware that payment is purely for him alone. Most of the arrangements for the elections are done in council time apart from running the election on the day which involves an early start and late finish. Poor old Bryn has to work a late night and work a couple of extra hours in the evening whilst he waits around to announce the results. £12,000 is not bad for a few hours work, another example of how this guy is creaming it. I would love this guy to come out and explain exactly what he does to deserve this £12,000 and to dispute my assumption that he actually does very little. I would guess that the majority of the arrangements are delegated to the councils election division, namely Glynne Morgan ( Electoral Services Manager ), Gillian King ( Electoral Services Office Manager ) and Kim Puhl
( Electoral Services Assistant ) who get paid out of our council tax money and not Bryn's nice and tidy fat cat fee of £12,000.

We deserve a break down on this £12,000 and an itemised list of all the expenses and an indication as to whether the costs involved such as printing of forms etc come out of the £12,000 or out of the councils central funds ( our council tax money ) and whether the work is actually carried out on council time.

So my question is how much of the £12,000 fee goes directly into Bryns back pocket and how much of it is used on actual election expenses. In addition it would be interesting to know how much of our Council Tax money is being used to fund the expenses.

Just think how many elections there has been since Bryn has been in the job and how much extra the guy has pocketed as a result over the years. No wonder he has a big smile on his face.

Are my assumptions wrong ? Am I / we being far too hard on poor old Bryn ? Maybe if he came out and explained himself once in a while then we might form a different opinion. You never know this guy might be working his knuckles to the bone behind the scenes and putting in 12 hrs a day and doing his utmost for Pembrokeshire and it's people, who knows ??? All I know is that he seems to receive a staggering amount of money for what appears to be little more than chairing council meetings and being a figure head of the council. Maybe somebody in the know can enlighten us on this ???
I stand corrected, council staff that work as election clerks have to take a days leave, so they are not paid twice as my earlier post implied. Sorry for the error.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: It is absolutely amazing considering the tiny amount of work he has to do in relation to elections, most of which is done by council staff. In addition the council staff who take time off to work as election clerks do not lose any of their normal council pay and get paid an extra fee on top so in effect it is like working and getting paid double time and guess what, none of their pay comes out of Bryn's nice £12,000 and as far as I am aware that payment is purely for him alone. Most of the arrangements for the elections are done in council time apart from running the election on the day which involves an early start and late finish. Poor old Bryn has to work a late night and work a couple of extra hours in the evening whilst he waits around to announce the results. £12,000 is not bad for a few hours work, another example of how this guy is creaming it. I would love this guy to come out and explain exactly what he does to deserve this £12,000 and to dispute my assumption that he actually does very little. I would guess that the majority of the arrangements are delegated to the councils election division, namely Glynne Morgan ( Electoral Services Manager ), Gillian King ( Electoral Services Office Manager ) and Kim Puhl ( Electoral Services Assistant ) who get paid out of our council tax money and not Bryn's nice and tidy fat cat fee of £12,000. We deserve a break down on this £12,000 and an itemised list of all the expenses and an indication as to whether the costs involved such as printing of forms etc come out of the £12,000 or out of the councils central funds ( our council tax money ) and whether the work is actually carried out on council time. So my question is how much of the £12,000 fee goes directly into Bryns back pocket and how much of it is used on actual election expenses. In addition it would be interesting to know how much of our Council Tax money is being used to fund the expenses. Just think how many elections there has been since Bryn has been in the job and how much extra the guy has pocketed as a result over the years. No wonder he has a big smile on his face. Are my assumptions wrong ? Am I / we being far too hard on poor old Bryn ? Maybe if he came out and explained himself once in a while then we might form a different opinion. You never know this guy might be working his knuckles to the bone behind the scenes and putting in 12 hrs a day and doing his utmost for Pembrokeshire and it's people, who knows ??? All I know is that he seems to receive a staggering amount of money for what appears to be little more than chairing council meetings and being a figure head of the council. Maybe somebody in the know can enlighten us on this ???[/p][/quote]I stand corrected, council staff that work as election clerks have to take a days leave, so they are not paid twice as my earlier post implied. Sorry for the error. Bilbo101
  • Score: 7

10:03pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Gogledd says...

the gravy train....
the gravy train.... Gogledd
  • Score: 6

10:05pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Gogledd says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
You could not make this up if you tried.

In the most trying time in the history of Pembrokeshire County Council the man at the top feels that he can spend time on other matters and, to make matters worse, he's getting paid more for this time away than a significant portion of the county earns in a year.

Come the revolution comrades...
You couldnt make it up..u are right...I havent got the words ...and as someone else says...they are not usually lost for words either but this time I have to agree...its quite unbelievable....wher
e is the WG in all of this.....nuff said!!
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: You could not make this up if you tried. In the most trying time in the history of Pembrokeshire County Council the man at the top feels that he can spend time on other matters and, to make matters worse, he's getting paid more for this time away than a significant portion of the county earns in a year. Come the revolution comrades...[/p][/quote]You couldnt make it up..u are right...I havent got the words ...and as someone else says...they are not usually lost for words either but this time I have to agree...its quite unbelievable....wher e is the WG in all of this.....nuff said!! Gogledd
  • Score: 8

11:57pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Justiceforall says...

I suppose its on par the Banking Bonuses.
I suppose its on par the Banking Bonuses. Justiceforall
  • Score: 6

1:08am Wed 16 Apr 14

Flashbang says...

Thanks Jamie for the explanation
"In addition, I am more than satisfied that the chief executive properly works more than his contractual hours on county council duties.”
You've just confirmed that he works overtime to make a bigger mess than if he'd been doing regular hours. Jamie you do realise he's got you twisted round his little finger and when he goes down, you go too. The sooner the better.
Thanks Jamie for the explanation "In addition, I am more than satisfied that the chief executive properly works more than his contractual hours on county council duties.” You've just confirmed that he works overtime to make a bigger mess than if he'd been doing regular hours. Jamie you do realise he's got you twisted round his little finger and when he goes down, you go too. The sooner the better. Flashbang
  • Score: 12

7:13am Wed 16 Apr 14

Welshman23 says...

What about donating your money plus gift aid to a local charity.
What about donating your money plus gift aid to a local charity. Welshman23
  • Score: 8

9:52am Wed 16 Apr 14

mayday says...

Apparently you have to apply for the REGIONAL job just like any other. https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/83731/
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Although the following explanation differs http://www.theyworkf
oryou.com/wrans/?id=
2014-03-20b.191698.h

The job description tends to limit the number of candidates. Note our high performing Chief is responsible for electoral oversight for the WHOLE of Wales! The responsibilities of the role are described here http://www.electoral
commission.org.uk/__
data/assets/pdf_file
/0020/164324/EPE-Gui
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Usual story of politics - when you start digging, the truth is harder to find.
Apparently you have to apply for the REGIONAL job just like any other. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/83731/ Applications_Regiona l_Returning_Officers _European_Parliament ary_Elections_2014.p df Although the following explanation differs http://www.theyworkf oryou.com/wrans/?id= 2014-03-20b.191698.h The job description tends to limit the number of candidates. Note our high performing Chief is responsible for electoral oversight for the WHOLE of Wales! The responsibilities of the role are described here http://www.electoral commission.org.uk/__ data/assets/pdf_file /0020/164324/EPE-Gui dance-for-Regional-R eturning-Officers.pd f Usual story of politics - when you start digging, the truth is harder to find. mayday
  • Score: 8

4:14pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Mike Stoddart says...

I did put question down on this subject soon after I was first elected in 2004.
The following is an extract from the minutes of the meeting held on 21 October 2004 recording the answer given by the, then, leader Cllr John Davies.

Q. What arrangements were in place to compensate the Council for the loss of the Chief Executive’s services during the periods when he was employed by the government as Returning Officer?

A. All principal local authorities in Wales had to appoint Returning Officers, and in most cases it was their Chief Executives whom local authorities appointed as Returning Officers. There would be occasions when
Returning Officers would be required to deal with other than local elections and also act as regional or national Returning Officers. The Leader was in no doubt that the Chief Executive executed his duties over and above what was required of him contractually, as evidenced by his
commitment late into weekday evenings and on
weekends during election periods, a fact which had been frequently witnessed by many Members.
There was no doubt that the proper processes had been followed with regard to the Chief Executive’s terms of employment and his position during elections.
I did put question down on this subject soon after I was first elected in 2004. The following is an extract from the minutes of the meeting held on 21 October 2004 recording the answer given by the, then, leader Cllr John Davies. Q. What arrangements were in place to compensate the Council for the loss of the Chief Executive’s services during the periods when he was employed by the government as Returning Officer? A. All principal local authorities in Wales had to appoint Returning Officers, and in most cases it was their Chief Executives whom local authorities appointed as Returning Officers. There would be occasions when Returning Officers would be required to deal with other than local elections and also act as regional or national Returning Officers. The Leader was in no doubt that the Chief Executive executed his duties over and above what was required of him contractually, as evidenced by his commitment late into weekday evenings and on weekends during election periods, a fact which had been frequently witnessed by many Members. There was no doubt that the proper processes had been followed with regard to the Chief Executive’s terms of employment and his position during elections. Mike Stoddart
  • Score: 4

5:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Welshman23 says...

Mike Stoddart wrote:
I did put question down on this subject soon after I was first elected in 2004.
The following is an extract from the minutes of the meeting held on 21 October 2004 recording the answer given by the, then, leader Cllr John Davies.

Q. What arrangements were in place to compensate the Council for the loss of the Chief Executive’s services during the periods when he was employed by the government as Returning Officer?

A. All principal local authorities in Wales had to appoint Returning Officers, and in most cases it was their Chief Executives whom local authorities appointed as Returning Officers. There would be occasions when
Returning Officers would be required to deal with other than local elections and also act as regional or national Returning Officers. The Leader was in no doubt that the Chief Executive executed his duties over and above what was required of him contractually, as evidenced by his
commitment late into weekday evenings and on
weekends during election periods, a fact which had been frequently witnessed by many Members.
There was no doubt that the proper processes had been followed with regard to the Chief Executive’s terms of employment and his position during elections.
What a shame this was introduced in 2004 a lot of water has passed the Kremlin and the nominated person is being investigated for irregularities. I feel sorry that he has to work evenings and weekends he should join the people in local authorities, hospitals and other workers they do not earn the extortionate salary that this person earns and to be given an extra 12 grand for overseeing the European elections daylight robbery. Give it to charity Mr BJP
[quote][p][bold]Mike Stoddart[/bold] wrote: I did put question down on this subject soon after I was first elected in 2004. The following is an extract from the minutes of the meeting held on 21 October 2004 recording the answer given by the, then, leader Cllr John Davies. Q. What arrangements were in place to compensate the Council for the loss of the Chief Executive’s services during the periods when he was employed by the government as Returning Officer? A. All principal local authorities in Wales had to appoint Returning Officers, and in most cases it was their Chief Executives whom local authorities appointed as Returning Officers. There would be occasions when Returning Officers would be required to deal with other than local elections and also act as regional or national Returning Officers. The Leader was in no doubt that the Chief Executive executed his duties over and above what was required of him contractually, as evidenced by his commitment late into weekday evenings and on weekends during election periods, a fact which had been frequently witnessed by many Members. There was no doubt that the proper processes had been followed with regard to the Chief Executive’s terms of employment and his position during elections.[/p][/quote]What a shame this was introduced in 2004 a lot of water has passed the Kremlin and the nominated person is being investigated for irregularities. I feel sorry that he has to work evenings and weekends he should join the people in local authorities, hospitals and other workers they do not earn the extortionate salary that this person earns and to be given an extra 12 grand for overseeing the European elections daylight robbery. Give it to charity Mr BJP Welshman23
  • Score: 5

6:53pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Cymru bach says...

I know a hard working loyal member of PCC staff who unfortunately had to have a short amount of time off sick for a genuine illness and then was summoned to a sickness review meeting on return and warned not to have any more time off sick as the Council couldn't afford any sick leave.

One rule for the low paid hard working staff, and another for the 200k a year Chief Executive. This person I am talking about also consistently worked more than their contracted hours, (on minimum wage) out of a sense of loyalty and commitment.

That loyalty is not returned, and this is another kick in the teeth for hard working staff on the coal face.

This man nor the IPPG cabinet have no shame or conscience.
I know a hard working loyal member of PCC staff who unfortunately had to have a short amount of time off sick for a genuine illness and then was summoned to a sickness review meeting on return and warned not to have any more time off sick as the Council couldn't afford any sick leave. One rule for the low paid hard working staff, and another for the 200k a year Chief Executive. This person I am talking about also consistently worked more than their contracted hours, (on minimum wage) out of a sense of loyalty and commitment. That loyalty is not returned, and this is another kick in the teeth for hard working staff on the coal face. This man nor the IPPG cabinet have no shame or conscience. Cymru bach
  • Score: 14

6:55pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Cymru bach says...

Incidentally where is Simon Hart MP that he is not expressing his disgust about this?

We are all in this together?
Incidentally where is Simon Hart MP that he is not expressing his disgust about this? We are all in this together? Cymru bach
  • Score: 13

6:56pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Mike Stoddart wrote:
I did put question down on this subject soon after I was first elected in 2004.
The following is an extract from the minutes of the meeting held on 21 October 2004 recording the answer given by the, then, leader Cllr John Davies.

Q. What arrangements were in place to compensate the Council for the loss of the Chief Executive’s services during the periods when he was employed by the government as Returning Officer?

A. All principal local authorities in Wales had to appoint Returning Officers, and in most cases it was their Chief Executives whom local authorities appointed as Returning Officers. There would be occasions when
Returning Officers would be required to deal with other than local elections and also act as regional or national Returning Officers. The Leader was in no doubt that the Chief Executive executed his duties over and above what was required of him contractually, as evidenced by his
commitment late into weekday evenings and on
weekends during election periods, a fact which had been frequently witnessed by many Members.
There was no doubt that the proper processes had been followed with regard to the Chief Executive’s terms of employment and his position during elections.
Hi Mike, Thanks for your input. I would imagine the current leaders position on the matter would be very similar and considering that nothing has been done about it over the last 10 years leaves me thinking that nothing will be done about it now.

However whilst some members might consider that the chief exec working a few extra hours in the evening and MAYBE on the weekend is worthy of such a high reward I am confident that the vast majority of Pembrokeshire people would not. At best in my mind this would equate to at least £500 per hour and that was assuming he put 24hrs in which I find very hard to believe. Maybe the Chief exec might like to enlighten us all and provide a time sheet detailing all the hours and extremely hard work he puts in. Just what is it exactly that is so complex about running this election that warrants such a golden reward ? My understanding is that the vast majority of the work is carried out by council employees and the chief exec has very little to do, other than pop into the odd election station on polling day and ask the clerks if "everything is alright" and then wait around in the evening whilst the count is done so that he can announce the results.

What I want to know is whether election expenses and the fees that the clerks receive is deducted from the £12,000 or whether this money goes straight in his back pocket ( minus tax of course ) ?

The situation with our Chief Exec has gone on for far too long. It would appear that very few people other than the ever-so-loyal members who voted to keep him there have any respect for this guy. He is not a king, rocket scientist or brain surgeon so why is it that he is reward as one ? Is it just because he was educated in Oxford ? It is all a complete mystery to me as I cannot for the life of me see what exceptional talents this guy has and what benefits the people of Pembrokeshire receive as a result. It is certainly not for running a good council that is for sure as we only have the endless issues that have raised their head over recent years to be able to determine that he has not been doing an exceptional job.

His salary, top-ups and other perks are disgusting, there is no way that he is worth this staggeringly high amount of money. What makes things even worse is that he tried to avoid paying tax ( pension fiasco ). I for one are eagerly awaiting the results of the police investigation into that one.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Stoddart[/bold] wrote: I did put question down on this subject soon after I was first elected in 2004. The following is an extract from the minutes of the meeting held on 21 October 2004 recording the answer given by the, then, leader Cllr John Davies. Q. What arrangements were in place to compensate the Council for the loss of the Chief Executive’s services during the periods when he was employed by the government as Returning Officer? A. All principal local authorities in Wales had to appoint Returning Officers, and in most cases it was their Chief Executives whom local authorities appointed as Returning Officers. There would be occasions when Returning Officers would be required to deal with other than local elections and also act as regional or national Returning Officers. The Leader was in no doubt that the Chief Executive executed his duties over and above what was required of him contractually, as evidenced by his commitment late into weekday evenings and on weekends during election periods, a fact which had been frequently witnessed by many Members. There was no doubt that the proper processes had been followed with regard to the Chief Executive’s terms of employment and his position during elections.[/p][/quote]Hi Mike, Thanks for your input. I would imagine the current leaders position on the matter would be very similar and considering that nothing has been done about it over the last 10 years leaves me thinking that nothing will be done about it now. However whilst some members might consider that the chief exec working a few extra hours in the evening and MAYBE on the weekend is worthy of such a high reward I am confident that the vast majority of Pembrokeshire people would not. At best in my mind this would equate to at least £500 per hour and that was assuming he put 24hrs in which I find very hard to believe. Maybe the Chief exec might like to enlighten us all and provide a time sheet detailing all the hours and extremely hard work he puts in. Just what is it exactly that is so complex about running this election that warrants such a golden reward ? My understanding is that the vast majority of the work is carried out by council employees and the chief exec has very little to do, other than pop into the odd election station on polling day and ask the clerks if "everything is alright" and then wait around in the evening whilst the count is done so that he can announce the results. What I want to know is whether election expenses and the fees that the clerks receive is deducted from the £12,000 or whether this money goes straight in his back pocket ( minus tax of course ) ? The situation with our Chief Exec has gone on for far too long. It would appear that very few people other than the ever-so-loyal members who voted to keep him there have any respect for this guy. He is not a king, rocket scientist or brain surgeon so why is it that he is reward as one ? Is it just because he was educated in Oxford ? It is all a complete mystery to me as I cannot for the life of me see what exceptional talents this guy has and what benefits the people of Pembrokeshire receive as a result. It is certainly not for running a good council that is for sure as we only have the endless issues that have raised their head over recent years to be able to determine that he has not been doing an exceptional job. His salary, top-ups and other perks are disgusting, there is no way that he is worth this staggeringly high amount of money. What makes things even worse is that he tried to avoid paying tax ( pension fiasco ). I for one are eagerly awaiting the results of the police investigation into that one. Bilbo101
  • Score: 11

7:31pm Wed 16 Apr 14

billbob says...

and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.
and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up. billbob
  • Score: 8

7:43pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

billbob wrote:
and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.
Surely not Billbob, are you sure you are correct on this ? If he has a Porsche then it must have been paid out of his own money as his council car is intended for official engagements and a Porsche would be completely inappropriate. Could he really be that arrogant ? If so then this joke is getting worse by the day and the joke is on us.

However there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, we tried to get our elected councillors to pass a motion of no confidence in him but the majority decided that they knew better and decided to ignore our calls and voted for him to stay.

Next council elections we need to remember all those councillors who went against the overwhelming public opinion. Anyone know the date of the next council elections ?
[quote][p][bold]billbob[/bold] wrote: and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.[/p][/quote]Surely not Billbob, are you sure you are correct on this ? If he has a Porsche then it must have been paid out of his own money as his council car is intended for official engagements and a Porsche would be completely inappropriate. Could he really be that arrogant ? If so then this joke is getting worse by the day and the joke is on us. However there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, we tried to get our elected councillors to pass a motion of no confidence in him but the majority decided that they knew better and decided to ignore our calls and voted for him to stay. Next council elections we need to remember all those councillors who went against the overwhelming public opinion. Anyone know the date of the next council elections ? Bilbo101
  • Score: 6

7:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

billbob says...

bilbo, yes he really is that arrogant
bilbo, yes he really is that arrogant billbob
  • Score: 6

8:29pm Wed 16 Apr 14

KeanJo says...

I am no supporter of BPJ but how many of us would turn down the chance to pocket 12 grand. The people I blame are those who agreed to pay this sort of salary for such little work . No wonder taxes are so high in UK.
I am no supporter of BPJ but how many of us would turn down the chance to pocket 12 grand. The people I blame are those who agreed to pay this sort of salary for such little work . No wonder taxes are so high in UK. KeanJo
  • Score: 4

8:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

KeanJo wrote:
I am no supporter of BPJ but how many of us would turn down the chance to pocket 12 grand. The people I blame are those who agreed to pay this sort of salary for such little work . No wonder taxes are so high in UK.
My assumption is that the £12k surely must also include an element to cover costs such as the design and printing of the voting papers etc. But my fear is that much of the work is actually done by council staff and paid for out of council tax money. After all they have a full time election division that includes 2 managers and one assistant ( god know why there is a need for 2 mangers when there appears to be only 3 staff ).

There must be a lot of additional expenses that are involved in staging these elections like the hiring of church and community halls, who pays for that ? Does it come out of our council tax money or Bryn's £12K ? Maybe once the election has taken place then the WT can do a freedom of information request and get a breakdown of all the costs and where the money came from. We need transparency on this.
[quote][p][bold]KeanJo[/bold] wrote: I am no supporter of BPJ but how many of us would turn down the chance to pocket 12 grand. The people I blame are those who agreed to pay this sort of salary for such little work . No wonder taxes are so high in UK.[/p][/quote]My assumption is that the £12k surely must also include an element to cover costs such as the design and printing of the voting papers etc. But my fear is that much of the work is actually done by council staff and paid for out of council tax money. After all they have a full time election division that includes 2 managers and one assistant ( god know why there is a need for 2 mangers when there appears to be only 3 staff ). There must be a lot of additional expenses that are involved in staging these elections like the hiring of church and community halls, who pays for that ? Does it come out of our council tax money or Bryn's £12K ? Maybe once the election has taken place then the WT can do a freedom of information request and get a breakdown of all the costs and where the money came from. We need transparency on this. Bilbo101
  • Score: 2

10:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Oi Bryn - just a reminder for you

Freemasonry the main aims - NOT being the richest in Narberth Crem -


Brotherly Love
Every true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding to his fellow creatures.

Relief
Freemasons are taught to practice charity, and to care, not only for their own, but also for the community as a whole, both by charitable giving, and by voluntary efforts and works as individuals.

Truth
Freemasons strive for truth, requiring high moral standards and aiming to achieve them in their own lives.

Freemasons believe that these principles represent a way of achieving higher standards in life.
Oi Bryn - just a reminder for you Freemasonry the main aims - NOT being the richest in Narberth Crem - Brotherly Love Every true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding to his fellow creatures. Relief Freemasons are taught to practice charity, and to care, not only for their own, but also for the community as a whole, both by charitable giving, and by voluntary efforts and works as individuals. Truth Freemasons strive for truth, requiring high moral standards and aiming to achieve them in their own lives. Freemasons believe that these principles represent a way of achieving higher standards in life. Tttoommy
  • Score: 2

9:18am Thu 17 Apr 14

Dave Edwards says...

In answer to questions raised about what is paid out of the £12,000.
Nothing, it is BPJ's to keep as it is his fee.
Ttommy, Bryn is not a mason.
In answer to questions raised about what is paid out of the £12,000. Nothing, it is BPJ's to keep as it is his fee. Ttommy, Bryn is not a mason. Dave Edwards
  • Score: 3

9:46am Thu 17 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Dave Edwards wrote:
In answer to questions raised about what is paid out of the £12,000.
Nothing, it is BPJ's to keep as it is his fee.
Ttommy, Bryn is not a mason.
I'm pretty sure I didn't say he was, I might have been taught to be cautious but I'm guessing you'd know - would you?
[quote][p][bold]Dave Edwards[/bold] wrote: In answer to questions raised about what is paid out of the £12,000. Nothing, it is BPJ's to keep as it is his fee. Ttommy, Bryn is not a mason.[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure I didn't say he was, I might have been taught to be cautious but I'm guessing you'd know - would you? Tttoommy
  • Score: -2

10:44am Thu 17 Apr 14

seaveiw says...

And so the saga goes on , he should have had the moral fibre to stand aside whilst police investigations are ongoing.But then I wonder who could do this job He would say no one could,there are plenty of unemployed highly educated people around .Why is this police investigation taking so long it should be on a high priority list
And so the saga goes on , he should have had the moral fibre to stand aside whilst police investigations are ongoing.But then I wonder who could do this job He would say no one could,there are plenty of unemployed highly educated people around .Why is this police investigation taking so long it should be on a high priority list seaveiw
  • Score: 6

11:20am Thu 17 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Dave Edwards wrote:
In answer to questions raised about what is paid out of the £12,000.
Nothing, it is BPJ's to keep as it is his fee.
Ttommy, Bryn is not a mason.
In the interests of fairness and accuracy I have done some research on this and I would like to point out that I too are not a fan of BPJ but Dave is correct and also KeanJo's post is also correct because as she states "how many of us would turn down the chance to pocket 12 grand" so the fault here if any exists lie with the government who decides how much the fees would be.

One gov document that helps answer many of our assumptions can be found at : www.parliament.uk/br
iefing-papers/SN0530
2.pdf. In relation to costs / expenses it states In relation to election costs : "the cost of conducting Parliamentary and European elections are paid for by the Government from the Consolidated Fund". The document also states "Electoral Registration Officers (EROs) and the electoral register are not considered to fall within the scope of the Freedom of Information Act 2000. " In addition "EROs who, although they are local government officials, are not answerable to their local authority in respect of their electoral duties."

So BPJ is not doing anything wrong here but I would add that he must find himself very lucky to be in such a position as chief executive and receive such as staggeringly high reward, which most of us appear to agree on that it far far higher than we would expect, BUT again he does not set his pay level, it is our council who does that and our councillors who approve it so if any blame is to be laid then it is with the individual councillors who voted to approve such a high package.

Cllr Bob Kilmister has previous queried this position and said “We have the highest earning chief executive in Wales but we have the 11th highest turnover of a council. He’s paid £11,000 more than the next highest which is Cardiff, whose turnover is three times higher than our county’s. He is also paid £65,000 more than the First Minister and £52,000 more than the Prime Minister. That’s fine that’s his package, but for this we should expect something very, very special, instead we’ve had four years of major problems that have a common denominator, they’ve all been handled very badly."

So yes it is clear that BPJ is well overpaid but I think his unpopularity with the Pembrokeshire people stems not so much from his golden salary and benefits but the fact that he appears arrogant and never speaks to us the Pembrokeshire people, maybe he does not care what we think, after all it is not a popularity contest but in situations such as this the councils marketing department and in particular the press office such come out and explain the facts to Pembrokeshire residents and defend him. If he gave interviews then I think he would not be demonised so much.

However at a time when many council employees have seen big reductions in their pay and hours then he should have led by example and have taken a pay cut himself, that would have shown true leadership and after all I am sure he could have more than afforded a pay cut, whereas I know a lot of council employees could not afford the reductions in their pay and have found themselves and their families in financial difficulty.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Edwards[/bold] wrote: In answer to questions raised about what is paid out of the £12,000. Nothing, it is BPJ's to keep as it is his fee. Ttommy, Bryn is not a mason.[/p][/quote]In the interests of fairness and accuracy I have done some research on this and I would like to point out that I too are not a fan of BPJ but Dave is correct and also KeanJo's post is also correct because as she states "how many of us would turn down the chance to pocket 12 grand" so the fault here if any exists lie with the government who decides how much the fees would be. One gov document that helps answer many of our assumptions can be found at : www.parliament.uk/br iefing-papers/SN0530 2.pdf. In relation to costs / expenses it states In relation to election costs : "the cost of conducting Parliamentary and European elections are paid for by the Government from the Consolidated Fund". The document also states "Electoral Registration Officers (EROs) and the electoral register are not considered to fall within the scope of the Freedom of Information Act 2000. " In addition "EROs who, although they are local government officials, are not answerable to their local authority in respect of their electoral duties." So BPJ is not doing anything wrong here but I would add that he must find himself very lucky to be in such a position as chief executive and receive such as staggeringly high reward, which most of us appear to agree on that it far far higher than we would expect, BUT again he does not set his pay level, it is our council who does that and our councillors who approve it so if any blame is to be laid then it is with the individual councillors who voted to approve such a high package. Cllr Bob Kilmister has previous queried this position and said “We have the highest earning chief executive in Wales but we have the 11th highest turnover of a council. He’s paid £11,000 more than the next highest which is Cardiff, whose turnover is three times higher than our county’s. He is also paid £65,000 more than the First Minister and £52,000 more than the Prime Minister. That’s fine that’s his package, but for this we should expect something very, very special, instead we’ve had four years of major problems that have a common denominator, they’ve all been handled very badly." So yes it is clear that BPJ is well overpaid but I think his unpopularity with the Pembrokeshire people stems not so much from his golden salary and benefits but the fact that he appears arrogant and never speaks to us the Pembrokeshire people, maybe he does not care what we think, after all it is not a popularity contest but in situations such as this the councils marketing department and in particular the press office such come out and explain the facts to Pembrokeshire residents and defend him. If he gave interviews then I think he would not be demonised so much. However at a time when many council employees have seen big reductions in their pay and hours then he should have led by example and have taken a pay cut himself, that would have shown true leadership and after all I am sure he could have more than afforded a pay cut, whereas I know a lot of council employees could not afford the reductions in their pay and have found themselves and their families in financial difficulty. Bilbo101
  • Score: 4

11:26am Thu 17 Apr 14

PCC Weasel says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
billbob wrote:
and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.
Surely not Billbob, are you sure you are correct on this ? If he has a Porsche then it must have been paid out of his own money as his council car is intended for official engagements and a Porsche would be completely inappropriate. Could he really be that arrogant ? If so then this joke is getting worse by the day and the joke is on us.

However there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, we tried to get our elected councillors to pass a motion of no confidence in him but the majority decided that they knew better and decided to ignore our calls and voted for him to stay.

Next council elections we need to remember all those councillors who went against the overwhelming public opinion. Anyone know the date of the next council elections ?
Yes, his arrogance abounds. BPJ has taken delivery, courtesy ofthe Council, of a brand new shiny Porche Panamera S E-Hybrid, list price £89,327.

Dont waste any time trying to spot it at the Kremlin though, BPJ has decided his new company car is too good to use for work, and uses his runaround instead.

Oh the irony of it all!

Surely begs the question though, if he doesn't need to use his free company car for business use, should he even have one provided, Porche or otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billbob[/bold] wrote: and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.[/p][/quote]Surely not Billbob, are you sure you are correct on this ? If he has a Porsche then it must have been paid out of his own money as his council car is intended for official engagements and a Porsche would be completely inappropriate. Could he really be that arrogant ? If so then this joke is getting worse by the day and the joke is on us. However there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, we tried to get our elected councillors to pass a motion of no confidence in him but the majority decided that they knew better and decided to ignore our calls and voted for him to stay. Next council elections we need to remember all those councillors who went against the overwhelming public opinion. Anyone know the date of the next council elections ?[/p][/quote]Yes, his arrogance abounds. BPJ has taken delivery, courtesy ofthe Council, of a brand new shiny Porche Panamera S E-Hybrid, list price £89,327. Dont waste any time trying to spot it at the Kremlin though, BPJ has decided his new company car is too good to use for work, and uses his runaround instead. Oh the irony of it all! Surely begs the question though, if he doesn't need to use his free company car for business use, should he even have one provided, Porche or otherwise. PCC Weasel
  • Score: 3

11:26am Thu 17 Apr 14

PCC Weasel says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
billbob wrote:
and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.
Surely not Billbob, are you sure you are correct on this ? If he has a Porsche then it must have been paid out of his own money as his council car is intended for official engagements and a Porsche would be completely inappropriate. Could he really be that arrogant ? If so then this joke is getting worse by the day and the joke is on us.

However there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, we tried to get our elected councillors to pass a motion of no confidence in him but the majority decided that they knew better and decided to ignore our calls and voted for him to stay.

Next council elections we need to remember all those councillors who went against the overwhelming public opinion. Anyone know the date of the next council elections ?
Yes, his arrogance abounds. BPJ has taken delivery, courtesy ofthe Council, of a brand new shiny Porche Panamera S E-Hybrid, list price £89,327.

Dont waste any time trying to spot it at the Kremlin though, BPJ has decided his new company car is too good to use for work, and uses his runaround instead.

Oh the irony of it all!

Surely begs the question though, if he doesn't need to use his free company car for business use, should he even have one provided, Porche or otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billbob[/bold] wrote: and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.[/p][/quote]Surely not Billbob, are you sure you are correct on this ? If he has a Porsche then it must have been paid out of his own money as his council car is intended for official engagements and a Porsche would be completely inappropriate. Could he really be that arrogant ? If so then this joke is getting worse by the day and the joke is on us. However there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, we tried to get our elected councillors to pass a motion of no confidence in him but the majority decided that they knew better and decided to ignore our calls and voted for him to stay. Next council elections we need to remember all those councillors who went against the overwhelming public opinion. Anyone know the date of the next council elections ?[/p][/quote]Yes, his arrogance abounds. BPJ has taken delivery, courtesy ofthe Council, of a brand new shiny Porche Panamera S E-Hybrid, list price £89,327. Dont waste any time trying to spot it at the Kremlin though, BPJ has decided his new company car is too good to use for work, and uses his runaround instead. Oh the irony of it all! Surely begs the question though, if he doesn't need to use his free company car for business use, should he even have one provided, Porche or otherwise. PCC Weasel
  • Score: 7

1:19pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Welshman23 says...

What other perks does this person have. IPPG now defend the actions of BPJ common sense has to prevail, he earns more for overseeing the European Elections than some people earn in a year. Ordering a Porsche with all that is happening at the Kremlin he should have thought If I drive around in a flash car it will cause a stink, does he care NO treating Pembrokeshire people with contempt. Now IPPG members will get of their backsides and do something about the going ons in the Kremlin.
At the least the person in charge of Carmarthen did the decent thing by standing aside while the investigation is taking place.
What other perks does this person have. IPPG now defend the actions of BPJ common sense has to prevail, he earns more for overseeing the European Elections than some people earn in a year. Ordering a Porsche with all that is happening at the Kremlin he should have thought If I drive around in a flash car it will cause a stink, does he care NO treating Pembrokeshire people with contempt. Now IPPG members will get of their backsides and do something about the going ons in the Kremlin. At the least the person in charge of Carmarthen did the decent thing by standing aside while the investigation is taking place. Welshman23
  • Score: 3

1:32pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Dave Edwards says...

Bryn's contract with PCC entitles him to 12.5% 0f his salary as a car allowance . It is not dependent on which car he chooses.
He was appointed on £69,000 pa so 12.5% was £8,625 but now on £164,000 basic he is entitled to £20,500pa to spend as he wishes.
Bryn's contract with PCC entitles him to 12.5% 0f his salary as a car allowance . It is not dependent on which car he chooses. He was appointed on £69,000 pa so 12.5% was £8,625 but now on £164,000 basic he is entitled to £20,500pa to spend as he wishes. Dave Edwards
  • Score: 2

1:44pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Dave Edwards wrote:
Bryn's contract with PCC entitles him to 12.5% 0f his salary as a car allowance . It is not dependent on which car he chooses.
He was appointed on £69,000 pa so 12.5% was £8,625 but now on £164,000 basic he is entitled to £20,500pa to spend as he wishes.
I wonder if he is able to save that amount up ? So over 5 years he could have saved up to approx £102,500 which he could have then used to buy his nice new car.

Again, this is not really Bryn's fault but our councillors for allowing such a generous package.

It is however quite insensitive to go and buy such a flash expensive car in the same year that so many council employees have either lost their jobs or have seen a large reduction in their hours and salary.

I guess the councillors argument would be that in order to attract an retain a candidate of Bryn's calibre they had to offer and approve such a high package. Then Pembrokeshire people would naturally question his calibre considering the large number of issues that have been mismanaged over recent years. Either way it all looks above board and legal and there is not a jot that people can do about it except wait for the next local elections and vote out all those brown nose councillors who voted to keep him in post when the vote of no confidence came up.

It's tough at the top eh Bryn ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Dave Edwards[/bold] wrote: Bryn's contract with PCC entitles him to 12.5% 0f his salary as a car allowance . It is not dependent on which car he chooses. He was appointed on £69,000 pa so 12.5% was £8,625 but now on £164,000 basic he is entitled to £20,500pa to spend as he wishes.[/p][/quote]I wonder if he is able to save that amount up ? So over 5 years he could have saved up to approx £102,500 which he could have then used to buy his nice new car. Again, this is not really Bryn's fault but our councillors for allowing such a generous package. It is however quite insensitive to go and buy such a flash expensive car in the same year that so many council employees have either lost their jobs or have seen a large reduction in their hours and salary. I guess the councillors argument would be that in order to attract an retain a candidate of Bryn's calibre they had to offer and approve such a high package. Then Pembrokeshire people would naturally question his calibre considering the large number of issues that have been mismanaged over recent years. Either way it all looks above board and legal and there is not a jot that people can do about it except wait for the next local elections and vote out all those brown nose councillors who voted to keep him in post when the vote of no confidence came up. It's tough at the top eh Bryn ;-) Bilbo101
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

so what's his run around car?
so what's his run around car? Tttoommy
  • Score: -2

2:51pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Welshman23 says...

Do we knew who was in the appointment panel that hired this person and are any of these still councillors.
Do we knew who was in the appointment panel that hired this person and are any of these still councillors. Welshman23
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Do we knew who was in the appointment panel that hired this person and are any of these still councillors.
Hi Welshman23, I think it is not so much of a problem of who was in the original appointment panel as Bryn came with excellent credentials and his starting salary that Dave Edwards informed us about was a reasonable £69,000 pa. The issue is that somehow this has increased to a massive £164,000 basic salary plus an annual car allowance of currently £20,500pa. Now what I would be more interested in was which councillors approved the massive jumps in pay and also the councillors that voted to save him in the vote of no confidence. That list has been published somewhere here and on the herald site previously and it will be that list I will be digging out come the next local elections and I will be doing whatever I can to remind the electorate of exactly who the brown nosers were who let us down and voted to save him. I think it them who are spineless and incompetent and need to be got rid of first as it is clear they are putting their own interest before ours. First things first we need to get rid of the biggest brown noser of all, Jamie "and his magic torch" Adams.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Do we knew who was in the appointment panel that hired this person and are any of these still councillors.[/p][/quote]Hi Welshman23, I think it is not so much of a problem of who was in the original appointment panel as Bryn came with excellent credentials and his starting salary that Dave Edwards informed us about was a reasonable £69,000 pa. The issue is that somehow this has increased to a massive £164,000 basic salary plus an annual car allowance of currently £20,500pa. Now what I would be more interested in was which councillors approved the massive jumps in pay and also the councillors that voted to save him in the vote of no confidence. That list has been published somewhere here and on the herald site previously and it will be that list I will be digging out come the next local elections and I will be doing whatever I can to remind the electorate of exactly who the brown nosers were who let us down and voted to save him. I think it them who are spineless and incompetent and need to be got rid of first as it is clear they are putting their own interest before ours. First things first we need to get rid of the biggest brown noser of all, Jamie "and his magic torch" Adams. Bilbo101
  • Score: 5

3:41pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Electra1 says...

I cannot stand that smirk on his face.....new photo please.
I cannot stand that smirk on his face.....new photo please. Electra1
  • Score: 2

3:55pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Electra1 wrote:
I cannot stand that smirk on his face.....new photo please.
Personally I don't think he will be around much longer so hopefully we will have a a picture of the new chief exec to look at and hopefully our councillors will be wiser this time in their choice and hopefully the new chief exec will have more integrity. The cracks in the Kremlin are now so large and so many that no amount of glossing over will save it. A complete overhaul is required and I believe on the cards.

Hopefully when he does go then his councillor cronies and yes men will also get the flick and we the public can once again have some degree of confidence in our council and hopefully Pembrokeshire can move forward with a new team who will be working for our interests and not their own. Time for change is long overdue but there is now a real prospect he will be on his way very soon. I just hope that he is not allowed to retire with a massive golden handshake before he is sacked. Surely trying to avoid paying tax on his pension should be reason enough.

We are all just waiting for the results of the investigation by Gloucestershire Constabulary.......
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: I cannot stand that smirk on his face.....new photo please.[/p][/quote]Personally I don't think he will be around much longer so hopefully we will have a a picture of the new chief exec to look at and hopefully our councillors will be wiser this time in their choice and hopefully the new chief exec will have more integrity. The cracks in the Kremlin are now so large and so many that no amount of glossing over will save it. A complete overhaul is required and I believe on the cards. Hopefully when he does go then his councillor cronies and yes men will also get the flick and we the public can once again have some degree of confidence in our council and hopefully Pembrokeshire can move forward with a new team who will be working for our interests and not their own. Time for change is long overdue but there is now a real prospect he will be on his way very soon. I just hope that he is not allowed to retire with a massive golden handshake before he is sacked. Surely trying to avoid paying tax on his pension should be reason enough. We are all just waiting for the results of the investigation by Gloucestershire Constabulary....... Bilbo101
  • Score: 3

4:38pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Electra1 wrote:
I cannot stand that smirk on his face.....new photo please.
Personally I don't think he will be around much longer so hopefully we will have a a picture of the new chief exec to look at and hopefully our councillors will be wiser this time in their choice and hopefully the new chief exec will have more integrity. The cracks in the Kremlin are now so large and so many that no amount of glossing over will save it. A complete overhaul is required and I believe on the cards.

Hopefully when he does go then his councillor cronies and yes men will also get the flick and we the public can once again have some degree of confidence in our council and hopefully Pembrokeshire can move forward with a new team who will be working for our interests and not their own. Time for change is long overdue but there is now a real prospect he will be on his way very soon. I just hope that he is not allowed to retire with a massive golden handshake before he is sacked. Surely trying to avoid paying tax on his pension should be reason enough.

We are all just waiting for the results of the investigation by Gloucestershire Constabulary.......
My worry is that Pembs. CC will be disbanded because of his actions and the IPPG rabble behaving like a lampost to Bryns' dog just standing there doing nothing - warm in the glow (s


Bryn - It can be clawed back!
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: I cannot stand that smirk on his face.....new photo please.[/p][/quote]Personally I don't think he will be around much longer so hopefully we will have a a picture of the new chief exec to look at and hopefully our councillors will be wiser this time in their choice and hopefully the new chief exec will have more integrity. The cracks in the Kremlin are now so large and so many that no amount of glossing over will save it. A complete overhaul is required and I believe on the cards. Hopefully when he does go then his councillor cronies and yes men will also get the flick and we the public can once again have some degree of confidence in our council and hopefully Pembrokeshire can move forward with a new team who will be working for our interests and not their own. Time for change is long overdue but there is now a real prospect he will be on his way very soon. I just hope that he is not allowed to retire with a massive golden handshake before he is sacked. Surely trying to avoid paying tax on his pension should be reason enough. We are all just waiting for the results of the investigation by Gloucestershire Constabulary.......[/p][/quote]My worry is that Pembs. CC will be disbanded because of his actions and the IPPG rabble behaving like a lampost to Bryns' dog just standing there doing nothing - warm in the glow (s Bryn - It can be clawed back! Tttoommy
  • Score: 0

5:10pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Bilbo101 wrote:
Electra1 wrote:
I cannot stand that smirk on his face.....new photo please.
Personally I don't think he will be around much longer so hopefully we will have a a picture of the new chief exec to look at and hopefully our councillors will be wiser this time in their choice and hopefully the new chief exec will have more integrity. The cracks in the Kremlin are now so large and so many that no amount of glossing over will save it. A complete overhaul is required and I believe on the cards.

Hopefully when he does go then his councillor cronies and yes men will also get the flick and we the public can once again have some degree of confidence in our council and hopefully Pembrokeshire can move forward with a new team who will be working for our interests and not their own. Time for change is long overdue but there is now a real prospect he will be on his way very soon. I just hope that he is not allowed to retire with a massive golden handshake before he is sacked. Surely trying to avoid paying tax on his pension should be reason enough.

We are all just waiting for the results of the investigation by Gloucestershire Constabulary.......
My worry is that Pembs. CC will be disbanded because of his actions and the IPPG rabble behaving like a lampost to Bryns' dog just standing there doing nothing - warm in the glow (s


Bryn - It can be clawed back!
Your so right Tttoommy. It would be terrible if this strengthens the case of the Welsh Assembly to reduce the number of councils in Wales to and merge Pembrokshire with Ceridigion and possibly with Carmarthenshire.

MP Stephen Crabb previously commented : “There were very good reasons why local people fought to get Pembrokeshire back from the old Dyfed authority. Many of those reasons are still valid. The merger of the Pembrokeshire Health Board with Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion a few years ago, and the battle for Withybush as a result, provides a pointer as to the risks to local services that could follow the abolition of Pembrokeshire County Council.”

Now I am even more concerned. It just feels like we are always on the losing end lately. It may be a case of "be careful what you wish for" as the alternative could be a lot worse.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: I cannot stand that smirk on his face.....new photo please.[/p][/quote]Personally I don't think he will be around much longer so hopefully we will have a a picture of the new chief exec to look at and hopefully our councillors will be wiser this time in their choice and hopefully the new chief exec will have more integrity. The cracks in the Kremlin are now so large and so many that no amount of glossing over will save it. A complete overhaul is required and I believe on the cards. Hopefully when he does go then his councillor cronies and yes men will also get the flick and we the public can once again have some degree of confidence in our council and hopefully Pembrokeshire can move forward with a new team who will be working for our interests and not their own. Time for change is long overdue but there is now a real prospect he will be on his way very soon. I just hope that he is not allowed to retire with a massive golden handshake before he is sacked. Surely trying to avoid paying tax on his pension should be reason enough. We are all just waiting for the results of the investigation by Gloucestershire Constabulary.......[/p][/quote]My worry is that Pembs. CC will be disbanded because of his actions and the IPPG rabble behaving like a lampost to Bryns' dog just standing there doing nothing - warm in the glow (s Bryn - It can be clawed back![/p][/quote]Your so right Tttoommy. It would be terrible if this strengthens the case of the Welsh Assembly to reduce the number of councils in Wales to and merge Pembrokshire with Ceridigion and possibly with Carmarthenshire. MP Stephen Crabb previously commented : “There were very good reasons why local people fought to get Pembrokeshire back from the old Dyfed authority. Many of those reasons are still valid. The merger of the Pembrokeshire Health Board with Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion a few years ago, and the battle for Withybush as a result, provides a pointer as to the risks to local services that could follow the abolition of Pembrokeshire County Council.” Now I am even more concerned. It just feels like we are always on the losing end lately. It may be a case of "be careful what you wish for" as the alternative could be a lot worse. Bilbo101
  • Score: 1

5:26pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Welshman23 says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
Do we knew who was in the appointment panel that hired this person and are any of these still councillors.
Hi Welshman23, I think it is not so much of a problem of who was in the original appointment panel as Bryn came with excellent credentials and his starting salary that Dave Edwards informed us about was a reasonable £69,000 pa. The issue is that somehow this has increased to a massive £164,000 basic salary plus an annual car allowance of currently £20,500pa. Now what I would be more interested in was which councillors approved the massive jumps in pay and also the councillors that voted to save him in the vote of no confidence. That list has been published somewhere here and on the herald site previously and it will be that list I will be digging out come the next local elections and I will be doing whatever I can to remind the electorate of exactly who the brown nosers were who let us down and voted to save him. I think it them who are spineless and incompetent and need to be got rid of first as it is clear they are putting their own interest before ours. First things first we need to get rid of the biggest brown noser of all, Jamie "and his magic torch" Adams.
Thank you totally agree let's see the list who have approved all his increases.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Do we knew who was in the appointment panel that hired this person and are any of these still councillors.[/p][/quote]Hi Welshman23, I think it is not so much of a problem of who was in the original appointment panel as Bryn came with excellent credentials and his starting salary that Dave Edwards informed us about was a reasonable £69,000 pa. The issue is that somehow this has increased to a massive £164,000 basic salary plus an annual car allowance of currently £20,500pa. Now what I would be more interested in was which councillors approved the massive jumps in pay and also the councillors that voted to save him in the vote of no confidence. That list has been published somewhere here and on the herald site previously and it will be that list I will be digging out come the next local elections and I will be doing whatever I can to remind the electorate of exactly who the brown nosers were who let us down and voted to save him. I think it them who are spineless and incompetent and need to be got rid of first as it is clear they are putting their own interest before ours. First things first we need to get rid of the biggest brown noser of all, Jamie "and his magic torch" Adams.[/p][/quote]Thank you totally agree let's see the list who have approved all his increases. Welshman23
  • Score: 3

7:25pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Welshman23 says...

Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.
Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism. Welshman23
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.
I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising.

Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin.

If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.[/p][/quote]I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising. Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin. If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ??? Bilbo101
  • Score: 2

7:50pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Mike Stoddart says...

The meeting of the senior staff committee where the Chief Executive's large pay rise was agreed took place on March 30 2006.
Those present were Cllrs John Davies, Cllr John Allen-Mirehouse, David Wildman and Mike Evans (All IPG) and Joyce Watson (Lab) and Bill Philpin (Lib Dem).

The minutes record:

9. Pay Review - Chief Executive

Having convened in private session under the terms of Paragraphs 12 and 23 of
Part 4 of Schedule 12A to the Local Government Act 1972, the Committee
considered a report submitted by the Head of Personnel on this matter.

In the report, the Head of Personnel apprised the Committee of the historical background to, and reason for, the undertaking of the current review, and explained the process by which it had been undertaken. He further explained that in order to ensure that the Authority could best position the salary / grade of the Chief Executive strategically in the context of the United Kingdom wide
market place, the services had been obtained of independent external consultants who had expert knowledge in the field of local authority and public
sector remuneration.

A representative of the consultants then advised the Committee of the methodology by which they had undertaken a review of Chief Executive remuneration and the findings of that review.

The consultants and the Head of Personnel responded to a range of points raised by Members regarding various aspects of the review process and the
outcome thereof.
In the course of their deliberations, Members noted that the setting of the salary level of a local authority Chief Executive was a matter for local determination. They also noted that the review related solely to the Chief Executive’s salary as part of his personal contract of employment and stood apart from other senior members of staff.

RESOLVED
That the recommended revised salary scale, effective from 1 January 2006, be adopted.
The meeting of the senior staff committee where the Chief Executive's large pay rise was agreed took place on March 30 2006. Those present were Cllrs John Davies, Cllr John Allen-Mirehouse, David Wildman and Mike Evans (All IPG) and Joyce Watson (Lab) and Bill Philpin (Lib Dem). The minutes record: 9. Pay Review - Chief Executive Having convened in private session under the terms of Paragraphs 12 and 23 of Part 4 of Schedule 12A to the Local Government Act 1972, the Committee considered a report submitted by the Head of Personnel on this matter. In the report, the Head of Personnel apprised the Committee of the historical background to, and reason for, the undertaking of the current review, and explained the process by which it had been undertaken. He further explained that in order to ensure that the Authority could best position the salary / grade of the Chief Executive strategically in the context of the United Kingdom wide market place, the services had been obtained of independent external consultants who had expert knowledge in the field of local authority and public sector remuneration. A representative of the consultants then advised the Committee of the methodology by which they had undertaken a review of Chief Executive remuneration and the findings of that review. The consultants and the Head of Personnel responded to a range of points raised by Members regarding various aspects of the review process and the outcome thereof. In the course of their deliberations, Members noted that the setting of the salary level of a local authority Chief Executive was a matter for local determination. They also noted that the review related solely to the Chief Executive’s salary as part of his personal contract of employment and stood apart from other senior members of staff. RESOLVED That the recommended revised salary scale, effective from 1 January 2006, be adopted. Mike Stoddart
  • Score: 3

8:30pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bilbo101 says...

Mike Stoddart wrote:
The meeting of the senior staff committee where the Chief Executive's large pay rise was agreed took place on March 30 2006.
Those present were Cllrs John Davies, Cllr John Allen-Mirehouse, David Wildman and Mike Evans (All IPG) and Joyce Watson (Lab) and Bill Philpin (Lib Dem).

The minutes record:

9. Pay Review - Chief Executive

Having convened in private session under the terms of Paragraphs 12 and 23 of
Part 4 of Schedule 12A to the Local Government Act 1972, the Committee
considered a report submitted by the Head of Personnel on this matter.

In the report, the Head of Personnel apprised the Committee of the historical background to, and reason for, the undertaking of the current review, and explained the process by which it had been undertaken. He further explained that in order to ensure that the Authority could best position the salary / grade of the Chief Executive strategically in the context of the United Kingdom wide
market place, the services had been obtained of independent external consultants who had expert knowledge in the field of local authority and public
sector remuneration.

A representative of the consultants then advised the Committee of the methodology by which they had undertaken a review of Chief Executive remuneration and the findings of that review.

The consultants and the Head of Personnel responded to a range of points raised by Members regarding various aspects of the review process and the
outcome thereof.
In the course of their deliberations, Members noted that the setting of the salary level of a local authority Chief Executive was a matter for local determination. They also noted that the review related solely to the Chief Executive’s salary as part of his personal contract of employment and stood apart from other senior members of staff.

RESOLVED
That the recommended revised salary scale, effective from 1 January 2006, be adopted.
Well they obviously got their sums wrong because he has become the highest earning chief executive in Wales despite being one of the smaller county councils. How come he earns £11,000 more than the Chief Exec of Cardiff when that chief exec manages a council 3 times our size. Why on earth did they feel the need hire a external "consultant" when Bryn was already in post and had already accepted the pay and scale on offer ? It make you wonder just how independent the external consultants were. I would love to know what their methodology was and where they dream it up from because to me it appears that they got it very wrong.

The councillors and especially the head of HR should never have spent more money on recruiting an external consultant to do their jobs for them. This all stinks big time, they can dress it up with whatever fancy words they like, at the end of the day I think most people in Pembrokeshire would feel that we have been screwed over and it has continued for the last 8 years. This is all WRONG WRONG WRONG.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Stoddart[/bold] wrote: The meeting of the senior staff committee where the Chief Executive's large pay rise was agreed took place on March 30 2006. Those present were Cllrs John Davies, Cllr John Allen-Mirehouse, David Wildman and Mike Evans (All IPG) and Joyce Watson (Lab) and Bill Philpin (Lib Dem). The minutes record: 9. Pay Review - Chief Executive Having convened in private session under the terms of Paragraphs 12 and 23 of Part 4 of Schedule 12A to the Local Government Act 1972, the Committee considered a report submitted by the Head of Personnel on this matter. In the report, the Head of Personnel apprised the Committee of the historical background to, and reason for, the undertaking of the current review, and explained the process by which it had been undertaken. He further explained that in order to ensure that the Authority could best position the salary / grade of the Chief Executive strategically in the context of the United Kingdom wide market place, the services had been obtained of independent external consultants who had expert knowledge in the field of local authority and public sector remuneration. A representative of the consultants then advised the Committee of the methodology by which they had undertaken a review of Chief Executive remuneration and the findings of that review. The consultants and the Head of Personnel responded to a range of points raised by Members regarding various aspects of the review process and the outcome thereof. In the course of their deliberations, Members noted that the setting of the salary level of a local authority Chief Executive was a matter for local determination. They also noted that the review related solely to the Chief Executive’s salary as part of his personal contract of employment and stood apart from other senior members of staff. RESOLVED That the recommended revised salary scale, effective from 1 January 2006, be adopted.[/p][/quote]Well they obviously got their sums wrong because he has become the highest earning chief executive in Wales despite being one of the smaller county councils. How come he earns £11,000 more than the Chief Exec of Cardiff when that chief exec manages a council 3 times our size. Why on earth did they feel the need hire a external "consultant" when Bryn was already in post and had already accepted the pay and scale on offer ? It make you wonder just how independent the external consultants were. I would love to know what their methodology was and where they dream it up from because to me it appears that they got it very wrong. The councillors and especially the head of HR should never have spent more money on recruiting an external consultant to do their jobs for them. This all stinks big time, they can dress it up with whatever fancy words they like, at the end of the day I think most people in Pembrokeshire would feel that we have been screwed over and it has continued for the last 8 years. This is all WRONG WRONG WRONG. Bilbo101
  • Score: 5

10:15pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Welshman23 says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Mike Stoddart wrote:
The meeting of the senior staff committee where the Chief Executive's large pay rise was agreed took place on March 30 2006.
Those present were Cllrs John Davies, Cllr John Allen-Mirehouse, David Wildman and Mike Evans (All IPG) and Joyce Watson (Lab) and Bill Philpin (Lib Dem).

The minutes record:

9. Pay Review - Chief Executive

Having convened in private session under the terms of Paragraphs 12 and 23 of
Part 4 of Schedule 12A to the Local Government Act 1972, the Committee
considered a report submitted by the Head of Personnel on this matter.

In the report, the Head of Personnel apprised the Committee of the historical background to, and reason for, the undertaking of the current review, and explained the process by which it had been undertaken. He further explained that in order to ensure that the Authority could best position the salary / grade of the Chief Executive strategically in the context of the United Kingdom wide
market place, the services had been obtained of independent external consultants who had expert knowledge in the field of local authority and public
sector remuneration.

A representative of the consultants then advised the Committee of the methodology by which they had undertaken a review of Chief Executive remuneration and the findings of that review.

The consultants and the Head of Personnel responded to a range of points raised by Members regarding various aspects of the review process and the
outcome thereof.
In the course of their deliberations, Members noted that the setting of the salary level of a local authority Chief Executive was a matter for local determination. They also noted that the review related solely to the Chief Executive’s salary as part of his personal contract of employment and stood apart from other senior members of staff.

RESOLVED
That the recommended revised salary scale, effective from 1 January 2006, be adopted.
Well they obviously got their sums wrong because he has become the highest earning chief executive in Wales despite being one of the smaller county councils. How come he earns £11,000 more than the Chief Exec of Cardiff when that chief exec manages a council 3 times our size. Why on earth did they feel the need hire a external "consultant" when Bryn was already in post and had already accepted the pay and scale on offer ? It make you wonder just how independent the external consultants were. I would love to know what their methodology was and where they dream it up from because to me it appears that they got it very wrong.

The councillors and especially the head of HR should never have spent more money on recruiting an external consultant to do their jobs for them. This all stinks big time, they can dress it up with whatever fancy words they like, at the end of the day I think most people in Pembrokeshire would feel that we have been screwed over and it has continued for the last 8 years. This is all WRONG WRONG WRONG.
The councillors mentioned what were or what are they day jobs, it seems that the level of salary offered was extortionate and perhaps the investigation taking place by the police should go back further, this whole situation is in need of some serious investigation. Where are you Messers Crabb and Hart the general election is not far away, start engaging with the people that voted you in to Westminster.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Stoddart[/bold] wrote: The meeting of the senior staff committee where the Chief Executive's large pay rise was agreed took place on March 30 2006. Those present were Cllrs John Davies, Cllr John Allen-Mirehouse, David Wildman and Mike Evans (All IPG) and Joyce Watson (Lab) and Bill Philpin (Lib Dem). The minutes record: 9. Pay Review - Chief Executive Having convened in private session under the terms of Paragraphs 12 and 23 of Part 4 of Schedule 12A to the Local Government Act 1972, the Committee considered a report submitted by the Head of Personnel on this matter. In the report, the Head of Personnel apprised the Committee of the historical background to, and reason for, the undertaking of the current review, and explained the process by which it had been undertaken. He further explained that in order to ensure that the Authority could best position the salary / grade of the Chief Executive strategically in the context of the United Kingdom wide market place, the services had been obtained of independent external consultants who had expert knowledge in the field of local authority and public sector remuneration. A representative of the consultants then advised the Committee of the methodology by which they had undertaken a review of Chief Executive remuneration and the findings of that review. The consultants and the Head of Personnel responded to a range of points raised by Members regarding various aspects of the review process and the outcome thereof. In the course of their deliberations, Members noted that the setting of the salary level of a local authority Chief Executive was a matter for local determination. They also noted that the review related solely to the Chief Executive’s salary as part of his personal contract of employment and stood apart from other senior members of staff. RESOLVED That the recommended revised salary scale, effective from 1 January 2006, be adopted.[/p][/quote]Well they obviously got their sums wrong because he has become the highest earning chief executive in Wales despite being one of the smaller county councils. How come he earns £11,000 more than the Chief Exec of Cardiff when that chief exec manages a council 3 times our size. Why on earth did they feel the need hire a external "consultant" when Bryn was already in post and had already accepted the pay and scale on offer ? It make you wonder just how independent the external consultants were. I would love to know what their methodology was and where they dream it up from because to me it appears that they got it very wrong. The councillors and especially the head of HR should never have spent more money on recruiting an external consultant to do their jobs for them. This all stinks big time, they can dress it up with whatever fancy words they like, at the end of the day I think most people in Pembrokeshire would feel that we have been screwed over and it has continued for the last 8 years. This is all WRONG WRONG WRONG.[/p][/quote]The councillors mentioned what were or what are they day jobs, it seems that the level of salary offered was extortionate and perhaps the investigation taking place by the police should go back further, this whole situation is in need of some serious investigation. Where are you Messers Crabb and Hart the general election is not far away, start engaging with the people that voted you in to Westminster. Welshman23
  • Score: 1

7:07am Fri 18 Apr 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.
I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising.

Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin.

If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???
The Western Telegraph is nothing more than an advertising rag, pumping out press releases and puff pieces rather than undertaking proper journalism save the odd piece of controlled opposition "outrage".

If it couldn't survive without the incestuous patronage of the local authority then maybe it shouldn't survive at all.

The Western Telegraph is the propaganda wing of Pembrokeshire County Council in the same way the BBC is for the national government.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.[/p][/quote]I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising. Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin. If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???[/p][/quote]The Western Telegraph is nothing more than an advertising rag, pumping out press releases and puff pieces rather than undertaking proper journalism save the odd piece of controlled opposition "outrage". If it couldn't survive without the incestuous patronage of the local authority then maybe it shouldn't survive at all. The Western Telegraph is the propaganda wing of Pembrokeshire County Council in the same way the BBC is for the national government. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: -6

3:40pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Getting a few down votes for greed over need , the Law and decency - I really hope the rabble aren't using their council funded computers as this is illegall

- If you don't watch out you could be suspended on Christmas day or some other vital working day - on the other hand If it's down to Bryn to judge you'll possibly think you'll get away with it ( no conflict of interests there :( )
Getting a few down votes for greed over need , the Law and decency - I really hope the rabble aren't using their council funded computers as this is illegall - If you don't watch out you could be suspended on Christmas day or some other vital working day - on the other hand If it's down to Bryn to judge you'll possibly think you'll get away with it ( no conflict of interests there :( ) Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Fri 18 Apr 14

KeanJo says...

Ttttooommy,I've just put a plus up against your comment but I don't know how long it will last .These minus pressers amuse me . If they disagree with the views being expressed ,why don't they blog their contrary view .After all , maybe we are being unfair and need to be properly informed.
Ttttooommy,I've just put a plus up against your comment but I don't know how long it will last .These minus pressers amuse me . If they disagree with the views being expressed ,why don't they blog their contrary view .After all , maybe we are being unfair and need to be properly informed. KeanJo
  • Score: 1

6:02pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Justiceforall says...

Pembrokeshire does not need a CEO, Council Tax payers do not want him, or can we afford him. Once Bryn has gone there should be no replacement.
Pembrokeshire does not need a CEO, Council Tax payers do not want him, or can we afford him. Once Bryn has gone there should be no replacement. Justiceforall
  • Score: 7

9:10pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Justiceforall wrote:
Pembrokeshire does not need a CEO, Council Tax payers do not want him, or can we afford him. Once Bryn has gone there should be no replacement.
Central Government tell Local councils where to spend about 90% of local council spending -skools, care,health,refuse collection etc so all we need is a public servant who iS a public servant and not an oik with a chip on his shoulder and who has ideas above his station - he is an administrator/purcha
se clerk not the Chief Exec of a small FTSE company
[quote][p][bold]Justiceforall[/bold] wrote: Pembrokeshire does not need a CEO, Council Tax payers do not want him, or can we afford him. Once Bryn has gone there should be no replacement.[/p][/quote]Central Government tell Local councils where to spend about 90% of local council spending -skools, care,health,refuse collection etc so all we need is a public servant who iS a public servant and not an oik with a chip on his shoulder and who has ideas above his station - he is an administrator/purcha se clerk not the Chief Exec of a small FTSE company Tttoommy
  • Score: -5

10:26pm Sat 19 Apr 14

pembrokedock123 says...

billbob wrote:
and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.
is this true??

A Porsche??

What my gran would have called ' rubbing their noses in it'

I won't believe even BPJ could be so crass until I see a photo in the Western Telegraph of him driving this Porsche ......
[quote][p][bold]billbob[/bold] wrote: and this is on top of his new council car....a PORSCHE!! you couldnt make it up.[/p][/quote]is this true?? A Porsche?? What my gran would have called ' rubbing their noses in it' I won't believe even BPJ could be so crass until I see a photo in the Western Telegraph of him driving this Porsche ...... pembrokedock123
  • Score: -2

10:28pm Sat 19 Apr 14

pembrokedock123 says...

If this appointment is a UK Government one rather than a Welsh Government appointment then it is up to Pembrokeshire's MPs to stand up for us and put the pressure on for BJP to be removed, even at this late stage. Will they do this?
If this appointment is a UK Government one rather than a Welsh Government appointment then it is up to Pembrokeshire's MPs to stand up for us and put the pressure on for BJP to be removed, even at this late stage. Will they do this? pembrokedock123
  • Score: 1

8:44am Sun 20 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Justiceforall wrote:
Pembrokeshire does not need a CEO, Council Tax payers do not want him, or can we afford him. Once Bryn has gone there should be no replacement.
Central Government tell Local councils where to spend about 90% of local council spending -skools, care,health,refuse collection etc so all we need is a public servant who iS a public servant and not an oik with a chip on his shoulder and who has ideas above his station - he is an administrator/purcha

se clerk not the Chief Exec of a small FTSE company
glad to see my post being voted down.

It means that the comment has been seen by the "shower" that "runs" PCC :)
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justiceforall[/bold] wrote: Pembrokeshire does not need a CEO, Council Tax payers do not want him, or can we afford him. Once Bryn has gone there should be no replacement.[/p][/quote]Central Government tell Local councils where to spend about 90% of local council spending -skools, care,health,refuse collection etc so all we need is a public servant who iS a public servant and not an oik with a chip on his shoulder and who has ideas above his station - he is an administrator/purcha se clerk not the Chief Exec of a small FTSE company[/p][/quote]glad to see my post being voted down. It means that the comment has been seen by the "shower" that "runs" PCC :) Tttoommy
  • Score: 2

8:54am Sun 20 Apr 14

Tttoommy says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
Bilbo101 wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.
I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising.

Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin.

If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???
The Western Telegraph is nothing more than an advertising rag, pumping out press releases and puff pieces rather than undertaking proper journalism save the odd piece of controlled opposition "outrage".

If it couldn't survive without the incestuous patronage of the local authority then maybe it shouldn't survive at all.

The Western Telegraph is the propaganda wing of Pembrokeshire County Council in the same way the BBC is for the national government.
You should look at The Tivyside website - not one single story can be commented on.

The people who run that paper must have a very old fashioned view of the press in the 20th century, oooops 21st ;-)

I don't bother buying that paper or look at their web site anymore- sad, that the wont last very long but if it fails to keep up with the modern world .......
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.[/p][/quote]I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising. Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin. If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???[/p][/quote]The Western Telegraph is nothing more than an advertising rag, pumping out press releases and puff pieces rather than undertaking proper journalism save the odd piece of controlled opposition "outrage". If it couldn't survive without the incestuous patronage of the local authority then maybe it shouldn't survive at all. The Western Telegraph is the propaganda wing of Pembrokeshire County Council in the same way the BBC is for the national government.[/p][/quote]You should look at The Tivyside website - not one single story can be commented on. The people who run that paper must have a very old fashioned view of the press in the 20th century, oooops 21st ;-) I don't bother buying that paper or look at their web site anymore- sad, that the wont last very long but if it fails to keep up with the modern world ....... Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

10:22am Sun 20 Apr 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

At the pay review meeting in 2006 ( Mike Stoddart's post above) 4 Councillors were IPG members ( Including the then Leader of the Council - yes he who was also at the more recent S+P meeting giving that committee the advantage of his knowledge) and two opposition Councillors.
At the pay review meeting in 2006 ( Mike Stoddart's post above) 4 Councillors were IPG members ( Including the then Leader of the Council - yes he who was also at the more recent S+P meeting giving that committee the advantage of his knowledge) and two opposition Councillors. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Indepedant says...

I wasn't very impressed with his skills as the Returning Officer when I saw him allow a spoilt ballot paper in favour of the IPPG candidate.
I wasn't very impressed with his skills as the Returning Officer when I saw him allow a spoilt ballot paper in favour of the IPPG candidate. Indepedant
  • Score: 1

2:15pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Electra1 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
PembrokeshireMan wrote:
Bilbo101 wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.
I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising.

Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin.

If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???
The Western Telegraph is nothing more than an advertising rag, pumping out press releases and puff pieces rather than undertaking proper journalism save the odd piece of controlled opposition "outrage".

If it couldn't survive without the incestuous patronage of the local authority then maybe it shouldn't survive at all.

The Western Telegraph is the propaganda wing of Pembrokeshire County Council in the same way the BBC is for the national government.
You should look at The Tivyside website - not one single story can be commented on.

The people who run that paper must have a very old fashioned view of the press in the 20th century, oooops 21st ;-)

I don't bother buying that paper or look at their web site anymore- sad, that the wont last very long but if it fails to keep up with the modern world .......
Newspapers should give their readers opportunity to comment on local issues otherwise how do they know what we are thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.[/p][/quote]I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising. Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin. If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???[/p][/quote]The Western Telegraph is nothing more than an advertising rag, pumping out press releases and puff pieces rather than undertaking proper journalism save the odd piece of controlled opposition "outrage". If it couldn't survive without the incestuous patronage of the local authority then maybe it shouldn't survive at all. The Western Telegraph is the propaganda wing of Pembrokeshire County Council in the same way the BBC is for the national government.[/p][/quote]You should look at The Tivyside website - not one single story can be commented on. The people who run that paper must have a very old fashioned view of the press in the 20th century, oooops 21st ;-) I don't bother buying that paper or look at their web site anymore- sad, that the wont last very long but if it fails to keep up with the modern world .......[/p][/quote]Newspapers should give their readers opportunity to comment on local issues otherwise how do they know what we are thinking. Electra1
  • Score: 1

2:17pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Electra1 says...

Electra1 wrote:
Tttoommy wrote:
PembrokeshireMan wrote:
Bilbo101 wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.
I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising.

Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin.

If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???
The Western Telegraph is nothing more than an advertising rag, pumping out press releases and puff pieces rather than undertaking proper journalism save the odd piece of controlled opposition "outrage".

If it couldn't survive without the incestuous patronage of the local authority then maybe it shouldn't survive at all.

The Western Telegraph is the propaganda wing of Pembrokeshire County Council in the same way the BBC is for the national government.
You should look at The Tivyside website - not one single story can be commented on.

The people who run that paper must have a very old fashioned view of the press in the 20th century, oooops 21st ;-)

I don't bother buying that paper or look at their web site anymore- sad, that the wont last very long but if it fails to keep up with the modern world .......
Newspapers should give their readers opportunity to comment on local issues otherwise how do they know what we are thinking.
I have noticed that they haven't given me the opportunity to tell the woman who was cruel to her horses just what I think of her!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Where are our MP'S regarding the latest fiasco at the Kremlin conspicuous by their absence. They will not stick their heads above the parapitt , like the WT they rely on their bloggers to let people know. How about doing some investigative journalism.[/p][/quote]I think the WT tend to tread carefully on issues relating to the council due to the possibility of losing some much needed council advertisement revenue. The council have a statutory duty to place a certain amount of public notices in the paper but I think the fear is they could lose some of the extra non compulsory advertising. Also the council have quite a good relationship with the WT and tend to poach a number of there staff. I think that there are 2 ex WT editors currently working at the council ( David Thomas - Head of Marketing and Len Mullins - Press Officer and years ago they poached Nigel Watts but he moved on a few years ago. The council pays considerably more than working at the WT and maybe some reporters might not want to burn their bridges by being too outspoken, as some might be hopeful of one day landing a plumb job at the Kremlin. If I remember correctly there was an issue many years ago where the Milford Mercury upset the council and as a result lost a lot of advertising money, but I think Old Grumpy might have a better memory and be able to fill us in on the details of that one ???[/p][/quote]The Western Telegraph is nothing more than an advertising rag, pumping out press releases and puff pieces rather than undertaking proper journalism save the odd piece of controlled opposition "outrage". If it couldn't survive without the incestuous patronage of the local authority then maybe it shouldn't survive at all. The Western Telegraph is the propaganda wing of Pembrokeshire County Council in the same way the BBC is for the national government.[/p][/quote]You should look at The Tivyside website - not one single story can be commented on. The people who run that paper must have a very old fashioned view of the press in the 20th century, oooops 21st ;-) I don't bother buying that paper or look at their web site anymore- sad, that the wont last very long but if it fails to keep up with the modern world .......[/p][/quote]Newspapers should give their readers opportunity to comment on local issues otherwise how do they know what we are thinking.[/p][/quote]I have noticed that they haven't given me the opportunity to tell the woman who was cruel to her horses just what I think of her!!!!! Electra1
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