Empty Pembrokeshire town centre shops remains cause for concern

Haverfordwest Bridge Street is among the areas with empty shops.

Haverfordwest Bridge Street is among the areas with empty shops.

First published in News

THE number of vacant premises in Pembrokeshire town centres is a cause for concern, but the figures must be put into a national context.

That was the message to come from Martin White, Pembrokeshire County Council’s head of regeneration during his address to the economy overview and scrutiny committee meeting on June 12.

The results of a survey carried out in 2013 were circulated to councillors after the figures were requested at the last meeting.

The data looked at A1, A2 and A3 ground floor vacancies in Fishguard, Haverfordwest, Milford Haven, Pembroke, Pembroke Dock, Tenby, Narberth, Newport, Saundersfoot, Solva and St Davids.

The A class premises includes shops, financial and professional services and food and drink outlets.

Out of the figures available, the town with the highest percentage of A class vacancies was Milford Haven with 14%, followed by Fishguard, Pembroke Dock and St Davids, all with 10%. Newport and Narberth had the lowest amount of vacancies at just 3% and 4% respectively.

Martin White said: “The top six towns have all set up town teams to address the problem.

“Some towns have a high rate and we’re working with them. But we need to put these figures into a Welsh context.”

In 2013 the UK vacancy rate was 13.9% and the Wales vacancy rate was 15.7%.

Jeremy Martineau has been involved with Fishguard and Goodwick Town Team. He said: “In principle the issue of empty premises has been discussed in the context of revising planning regulations to allow for a shrinkage of the retail area to allow for commercial to become residential more easily.

“I can only count four empty shops in Fishguard, but there are several in Main Street, Goodwick. If one looks historically the whole street was once a row of shops operating out of residential premises.”

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11:20am Thu 19 Jun 14

seaveiw says...

the 2013 figures are well out of date in Haverfordwest more shops have closed in 2014 on Bridge street alone there are 7 shops all with to let signs another one closing down and another two pending, is it too late now to change the demise of the town centre. I think so the council offices should be out of town and the department stores centrally along the river bank.
the 2013 figures are well out of date in Haverfordwest more shops have closed in 2014 on Bridge street alone there are 7 shops all with to let signs another one closing down and another two pending, is it too late now to change the demise of the town centre. I think so the council offices should be out of town and the department stores centrally along the river bank. seaveiw
  • Score: 19

11:57am Thu 19 Jun 14

Welshman23 says...

Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.
Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue. Welshman23
  • Score: 11

12:13pm Thu 19 Jun 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.
What revenue?
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.[/p][/quote]What revenue? JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: -1

12:36pm Thu 19 Jun 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

2013 figures are about as much use as a chocolate teapot. It just shows how much PCC and its elected councilors think of our towns like Haverfordwest and Milford if they imagine that this would have any relevance today. Every week another shop goes,it has to be said, not always for reasons the local authority could do anything about. In the case of "Internacionale" the company filed for insolvency 3 time in 6 years so it was always likely to come unstuck. However others shut purely because of the high cost of trading in town, Tom Hughes is a classic example and is deeply missed by many. There is not and never has been the will from county hall to get the small traders in and address the problems that they face, even the town centre manager had to go when the European funding dried up and he had done a sterling job in promoting Haverfordwest. I'm afraid all medieval towns suffer because the property stock, and infrastructure (car parks Etc..) doesn't suit national retailers who all like their shops to conform to a certain shape and size but this shouldn't mean towns being allowed to die. I don't believe the mere presence of nationals is the cause of the decline of Haverfordwest, other towns survive with that sort of competition, but the timing was unfortunate. The solution is in the hands of young entrepreneurs but they appear to be in short supply at this moment in time, maybe due to the banks continued refusal to release funds for start ups and the like.
I wish the towns of Pembrokeshire all the luck in the world but when I see PCC grant permission for a supermarket in Narberth I have to ask myself if the planners have our interests at heart or are they just scared of being taken to court by a company with money to burn?
2013 figures are about as much use as a chocolate teapot. It just shows how much PCC and its elected councilors think of our towns like Haverfordwest and Milford if they imagine that this would have any relevance today. Every week another shop goes,it has to be said, not always for reasons the local authority could do anything about. In the case of "Internacionale" the company filed for insolvency 3 time in 6 years so it was always likely to come unstuck. However others shut purely because of the high cost of trading in town, Tom Hughes is a classic example and is deeply missed by many. There is not and never has been the will from county hall to get the small traders in and address the problems that they face, even the town centre manager had to go when the European funding dried up and he had done a sterling job in promoting Haverfordwest. I'm afraid all medieval towns suffer because the property stock, and infrastructure (car parks Etc..) doesn't suit national retailers who all like their shops to conform to a certain shape and size but this shouldn't mean towns being allowed to die. I don't believe the mere presence of nationals is the cause of the decline of Haverfordwest, other towns survive with that sort of competition, but the timing was unfortunate. The solution is in the hands of young entrepreneurs but they appear to be in short supply at this moment in time, maybe due to the banks continued refusal to release funds for start ups and the like. I wish the towns of Pembrokeshire all the luck in the world but when I see PCC grant permission for a supermarket in Narberth I have to ask myself if the planners have our interests at heart or are they just scared of being taken to court by a company with money to burn? JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: 8

5:38pm Thu 19 Jun 14

seaveiw says...

seaveiw wrote:
the 2013 figures are well out of date in Haverfordwest more shops have closed in 2014 on Bridge street alone there are 7 shops all with to let signs another one closing down and another two pending, is it too late now to change the demise of the town centre. I think so the council offices should be out of town and the department stores centrally along the river bank.
cant believe in Haverfordwest today another shop closed since yesterday in Bridge street two more charity shops to open.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: the 2013 figures are well out of date in Haverfordwest more shops have closed in 2014 on Bridge street alone there are 7 shops all with to let signs another one closing down and another two pending, is it too late now to change the demise of the town centre. I think so the council offices should be out of town and the department stores centrally along the river bank.[/p][/quote]cant believe in Haverfordwest today another shop closed since yesterday in Bridge street two more charity shops to open. seaveiw
  • Score: 3

6:16pm Thu 19 Jun 14

teifion says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.
Are you positive ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.[/p][/quote]Are you positive ;-) teifion
  • Score: -11

6:21pm Thu 19 Jun 14

teifion says...

Just think without the unbelievably badly paid Bryn P Jones and the intellectual giants of the IPG in control how deep in the cack Pembrokeshire would be ?

Sorry, just thought we could all do with a laugh :)
Just think without the unbelievably badly paid Bryn P Jones and the intellectual giants of the IPG in control how deep in the cack Pembrokeshire would be ? Sorry, just thought we could all do with a laugh :) teifion
  • Score: -10

6:24pm Thu 19 Jun 14

teifion says...

PS On a serious note is this regeneration guy the one who said with a staright face that the shopkeepers WANTED higher parking charges ?

Gawd help our town centres - what's next, double yellow lines anywhere withing 5 miles of a shop to encourage a healthier life style?
PS On a serious note is this regeneration guy the one who said with a staright face that the shopkeepers WANTED higher parking charges ? Gawd help our town centres - what's next, double yellow lines anywhere withing 5 miles of a shop to encourage a healthier life style? teifion
  • Score: -8

10:34pm Thu 19 Jun 14

teifion says...

teifion wrote:
PS On a serious note is this regeneration guy the one who said with a staright face that the shopkeepers WANTED higher parking charges ?

Gawd help our town centres - what's next, double yellow lines anywhere withing 5 miles of a shop to encourage a healthier life style?
going by the down votes the thieving scum are waking up to vote t you are thieves (IF that was in dispute n- it aint)
[quote][p][bold]teifion[/bold] wrote: PS On a serious note is this regeneration guy the one who said with a staright face that the shopkeepers WANTED higher parking charges ? Gawd help our town centres - what's next, double yellow lines anywhere withing 5 miles of a shop to encourage a healthier life style?[/p][/quote]going by the down votes the thieving scum are waking up to vote t you are thieves (IF that was in dispute n- it aint) teifion
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10:37pm Thu 19 Jun 14

teifion says...

teifion wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.
Are you positive ;-)
some planners must be well paid going by the 2nd homes, the holliers, the toys they buy - not talkinging about Pmbs CC am I?
[quote][p][bold]teifion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.[/p][/quote]Are you positive ;-)[/p][/quote]some planners must be well paid going by the 2nd homes, the holliers, the toys they buy - not talkinging about Pmbs CC am I? teifion
  • Score: -11

6:46am Fri 20 Jun 14

malcolm calver says...

Surely it is time to admit that town centres do not have a future and that most shoppers prefer supermarkets for reasons such as cost of products, convenience, free parking etc.
For those businesses that are actually paying business rates, surely the solution would be to appeal their rating valuation and put a case forward for a reduction based on the profitability of the business.
National and local government decided many years ago to build factory units on the outskirts of many towns and most have been taken over by retailers who once resided in town centres, I am sure they would not go back to town centres.
We are told that supermarkets are fighting each other for business with price reductions, therefore it is time for the likes of Martin White with his fancy title to be made redundant and for county councillors to face reality.
Surely it is time to admit that town centres do not have a future and that most shoppers prefer supermarkets for reasons such as cost of products, convenience, free parking etc. For those businesses that are actually paying business rates, surely the solution would be to appeal their rating valuation and put a case forward for a reduction based on the profitability of the business. National and local government decided many years ago to build factory units on the outskirts of many towns and most have been taken over by retailers who once resided in town centres, I am sure they would not go back to town centres. We are told that supermarkets are fighting each other for business with price reductions, therefore it is time for the likes of Martin White with his fancy title to be made redundant and for county councillors to face reality. malcolm calver
  • Score: 0

10:57am Fri 20 Jun 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

malcolm calver wrote:
Surely it is time to admit that town centres do not have a future and that most shoppers prefer supermarkets for reasons such as cost of products, convenience, free parking etc.
For those businesses that are actually paying business rates, surely the solution would be to appeal their rating valuation and put a case forward for a reduction based on the profitability of the business.
National and local government decided many years ago to build factory units on the outskirts of many towns and most have been taken over by retailers who once resided in town centres, I am sure they would not go back to town centres.
We are told that supermarkets are fighting each other for business with price reductions, therefore it is time for the likes of Martin White with his fancy title to be made redundant and for county councillors to face reality.
To appeal the valuation of business rates you need a valid reason, profitability is not an allowable reason. The rate is calculated on the building and its location, not how much it may or may not make. The out of town retail parks at Haverfordwest, and indeed most that I know of are built and owned by private/PLC business and not local or National Government, these therefore have to make a profit the same as any other business, They are not the enemy if deployed correctly. The problem has been lack of care by the planning depts of many towns when deciding on where, how big & impact. Indeed our own authority are at it again, granting permission for a supermarket in Narberth, one of the few towns anywhere that appears to have flourished since the crash of 2008. It has an almost unique mix of small independent traders which will be put at risk if this is allowed to infringe. You may once again see a high st empty and it will be because the customer flow will change, there will be less passing footfall and fewer impulse buys which these small traders thrive on. Fingers crossed that Narberth doesn't suffer the same fate as many of Pembrokeshires other towns
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: Surely it is time to admit that town centres do not have a future and that most shoppers prefer supermarkets for reasons such as cost of products, convenience, free parking etc. For those businesses that are actually paying business rates, surely the solution would be to appeal their rating valuation and put a case forward for a reduction based on the profitability of the business. National and local government decided many years ago to build factory units on the outskirts of many towns and most have been taken over by retailers who once resided in town centres, I am sure they would not go back to town centres. We are told that supermarkets are fighting each other for business with price reductions, therefore it is time for the likes of Martin White with his fancy title to be made redundant and for county councillors to face reality.[/p][/quote]To appeal the valuation of business rates you need a valid reason, profitability is not an allowable reason. The rate is calculated on the building and its location, not how much it may or may not make. The out of town retail parks at Haverfordwest, and indeed most that I know of are built and owned by private/PLC business and not local or National Government, these therefore have to make a profit the same as any other business, They are not the enemy if deployed correctly. The problem has been lack of care by the planning depts of many towns when deciding on where, how big & impact. Indeed our own authority are at it again, granting permission for a supermarket in Narberth, one of the few towns anywhere that appears to have flourished since the crash of 2008. It has an almost unique mix of small independent traders which will be put at risk if this is allowed to infringe. You may once again see a high st empty and it will be because the customer flow will change, there will be less passing footfall and fewer impulse buys which these small traders thrive on. Fingers crossed that Narberth doesn't suffer the same fate as many of Pembrokeshires other towns JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: 3

12:47pm Sun 22 Jun 14

seaveiw says...

seaveiw wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
the 2013 figures are well out of date in Haverfordwest more shops have closed in 2014 on Bridge street alone there are 7 shops all with to let signs another one closing down and another two pending, is it too late now to change the demise of the town centre. I think so the council offices should be out of town and the department stores centrally along the river bank.
cant believe in Haverfordwest today another shop closed since yesterday in Bridge street two more charity shops to open.
another two shops in bridge street have to let signs over and that is whilst still occupied. heard that another shop likely to go when contract runs out. The whole of bridge street shops should now be reassessed for rate reduction on value of properties.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: the 2013 figures are well out of date in Haverfordwest more shops have closed in 2014 on Bridge street alone there are 7 shops all with to let signs another one closing down and another two pending, is it too late now to change the demise of the town centre. I think so the council offices should be out of town and the department stores centrally along the river bank.[/p][/quote]cant believe in Haverfordwest today another shop closed since yesterday in Bridge street two more charity shops to open.[/p][/quote]another two shops in bridge street have to let signs over and that is whilst still occupied. heard that another shop likely to go when contract runs out. The whole of bridge street shops should now be reassessed for rate reduction on value of properties. seaveiw
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Ian_snelly says...

seaveiw wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
the 2013 figures are well out of date in Haverfordwest more shops have closed in 2014 on Bridge street alone there are 7 shops all with to let signs another one closing down and another two pending, is it too late now to change the demise of the town centre. I think so the council offices should be out of town and the department stores centrally along the river bank.
cant believe in Haverfordwest today another shop closed since yesterday in Bridge street two more charity shops to open.
another two shops in bridge street have to let signs over and that is whilst still occupied. heard that another shop likely to go when contract runs out. The whole of bridge street shops should now be reassessed for rate reduction on value of properties.
Didn't the Senedd / WG make available money for business rate reductions?

I know Carms. CC have reduced the rates there, maybe PCC have been to busy back biting/proving their innocence or doing their best to hang on to their jobs to think about Pembs businesses - typical!
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: the 2013 figures are well out of date in Haverfordwest more shops have closed in 2014 on Bridge street alone there are 7 shops all with to let signs another one closing down and another two pending, is it too late now to change the demise of the town centre. I think so the council offices should be out of town and the department stores centrally along the river bank.[/p][/quote]cant believe in Haverfordwest today another shop closed since yesterday in Bridge street two more charity shops to open.[/p][/quote]another two shops in bridge street have to let signs over and that is whilst still occupied. heard that another shop likely to go when contract runs out. The whole of bridge street shops should now be reassessed for rate reduction on value of properties.[/p][/quote]Didn't the Senedd / WG make available money for business rate reductions? I know Carms. CC have reduced the rates there, maybe PCC have been to busy back biting/proving their innocence or doing their best to hang on to their jobs to think about Pembs businesses - typical! Ian_snelly
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Tue 24 Jun 14

malcolm calver says...

I am sorry Jonny Blue Jeans but you are wrong regarding appealing on financial grounds. I was successful based on profitability. Remember valuation offf icers are only guessing at the rating valuation.
I would suggest that the Welsh Assembly took the sting out of the revalution by giving total business rate relief for those whose rating valuation came below £6000.00
The whole business rating system needs to be abolished and if taxation is necessary it should be based on actual profit
I am sorry Jonny Blue Jeans but you are wrong regarding appealing on financial grounds. I was successful based on profitability. Remember valuation offf icers are only guessing at the rating valuation. I would suggest that the Welsh Assembly took the sting out of the revalution by giving total business rate relief for those whose rating valuation came below £6000.00 The whole business rating system needs to be abolished and if taxation is necessary it should be based on actual profit malcolm calver
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Wed 25 Jun 14

Welshmagician says...

Perhaps it would be more fitting if we referred to the magnificent people who have come together to form the ruling independent group that currently governs us at a local level as the RIP (Ruling Independent Plutocrats) party, it has a somewhat apt ring about it given the current dire and depressing state of most of the town centres around the county.

The latest outstanding piece of planning genius appears to be the wonderful addition of the two bus stops on Sidney Rees Way, reducing a three lane road with direct access to our local hospital down to a potentially life threatening single carriageway bottleneck.

A recent environmental assessment for a major residential assessment included phantom current traffic figures for an imaginary and non existent veterinary practise, and also counted regular tractor journeys for silage cutting in a field that has not see a tractor for at least 6 years, all this to minimise on paper the intended increase in traffic flow to a residential area.

None of the above is false, malicious or abusive.

In any other walk of life this would be seen as fraud, we simply sit back and let them enrich themselves as any dissent is not tolerated.

The lunatics and the corrupt have taken over the asylum.
Perhaps it would be more fitting if we referred to the magnificent people who have come together to form the ruling independent group that currently governs us at a local level as the RIP (Ruling Independent Plutocrats) party, it has a somewhat apt ring about it given the current dire and depressing state of most of the town centres around the county. The latest outstanding piece of planning genius appears to be the wonderful addition of the two bus stops on Sidney Rees Way, reducing a three lane road with direct access to our local hospital down to a potentially life threatening single carriageway bottleneck. A recent environmental assessment for a major residential assessment included phantom current traffic figures for an imaginary and non existent veterinary practise, and also counted regular tractor journeys for silage cutting in a field that has not see a tractor for at least 6 years, all this to minimise on paper the intended increase in traffic flow to a residential area. None of the above is false, malicious or abusive. In any other walk of life this would be seen as fraud, we simply sit back and let them enrich themselves as any dissent is not tolerated. The lunatics and the corrupt have taken over the asylum. Welshmagician
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Wed 25 Jun 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

malcolm calver wrote:
I am sorry Jonny Blue Jeans but you are wrong regarding appealing on financial grounds. I was successful based on profitability. Remember valuation offf icers are only guessing at the rating valuation.
I would suggest that the Welsh Assembly took the sting out of the revalution by giving total business rate relief for those whose rating valuation came below £6000.00
The whole business rating system needs to be abolished and if taxation is necessary it should be based on actual profit
There are 12 grounds allowable for an appeal over the rateable value of a business property.
1 the rateable value on revaluation date was wrong
2 the value shown in the list by reason of alteration by the officer is incorrect
3 the effective date of the alteration is inaccurate
4 circumstances effecting the rateable value of the property changed on a particular date
5 the property has been demolished or no longer exists
6 the property is now domestic or exempt from rating and is no longer rateable
7 the entry shown on the list should be deleted for reasons other than 5 or 6
8 the property should be shown as more than one assessment
9 the properties should be shown as 1 or more assessments
10 I consider the property to be rateable
11 the entry is wrong by reason of a tribunal or court on a particular date
12 a statement required to be made in the list about the property is wrong or has been omitted
Rateable values are based on yearly rents that would be expected to have achieved on April 1st 2008.
As you can see, there are no grounds here that include a business's profit or lack of and are based on the property itself and not the business that that inhabits it. I hope this makes the situation clear.
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: I am sorry Jonny Blue Jeans but you are wrong regarding appealing on financial grounds. I was successful based on profitability. Remember valuation offf icers are only guessing at the rating valuation. I would suggest that the Welsh Assembly took the sting out of the revalution by giving total business rate relief for those whose rating valuation came below £6000.00 The whole business rating system needs to be abolished and if taxation is necessary it should be based on actual profit[/p][/quote]There are 12 grounds allowable for an appeal over the rateable value of a business property. 1 the rateable value on revaluation date was wrong 2 the value shown in the list by reason of alteration by the officer is incorrect 3 the effective date of the alteration is inaccurate 4 circumstances effecting the rateable value of the property changed on a particular date 5 the property has been demolished or no longer exists 6 the property is now domestic or exempt from rating and is no longer rateable 7 the entry shown on the list should be deleted for reasons other than 5 or 6 8 the property should be shown as more than one assessment 9 the properties should be shown as 1 or more assessments 10 I consider the property to be rateable 11 the entry is wrong by reason of a tribunal or court on a particular date 12 a statement required to be made in the list about the property is wrong or has been omitted Rateable values are based on yearly rents that would be expected to have achieved on April 1st 2008. As you can see, there are no grounds here that include a business's profit or lack of and are based on the property itself and not the business that that inhabits it. I hope this makes the situation clear. JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: -1

12:13pm Thu 26 Jun 14

malcolm calver says...

I am sorry Jonny Blue Jeans but I can only inform you of my own personnel experience at reducing a rateable value set by the valuation office
.In the last but one paragraph you have hit it on the head. with your statement "rateable values are based on yearly rents that would be expected to have achieved on April 1st 2008".
If you prove that the level set by the valuation office was excessive and cannot be achieved, then take the trouble to go to appeal you will succeed in reducing your rateable value.
The business rating system is not fit for purpose and should be abolished but it needs more businesses to challenge business rate valuations.
I am sorry Jonny Blue Jeans but I can only inform you of my own personnel experience at reducing a rateable value set by the valuation office .In the last but one paragraph you have hit it on the head. with your statement "rateable values are based on yearly rents that would be expected to have achieved on April 1st 2008". If you prove that the level set by the valuation office was excessive and cannot be achieved, then take the trouble to go to appeal you will succeed in reducing your rateable value. The business rating system is not fit for purpose and should be abolished but it needs more businesses to challenge business rate valuations. malcolm calver
  • Score: -3

1:24pm Thu 26 Jun 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

malcolm calver wrote:
I am sorry Jonny Blue Jeans but I can only inform you of my own personnel experience at reducing a rateable value set by the valuation office
.In the last but one paragraph you have hit it on the head. with your statement "rateable values are based on yearly rents that would be expected to have achieved on April 1st 2008".
If you prove that the level set by the valuation office was excessive and cannot be achieved, then take the trouble to go to appeal you will succeed in reducing your rateable value.
The business rating system is not fit for purpose and should be abolished but it needs more businesses to challenge business rate valuations.
You are correct when you say " if you prove the level set was excessive, go to appeal," and it is a relatively easy process to gather the facts and submit your case, however I say again that it is based on the PROPERTY and not the business inside that property. The valuation officer has no idea, or right to know, what profits an independent business achieves and it is not taken into account.
I agree that the system is unsatisfactory and needs a complete overhaul but I don't see this coming anytime in the near future.
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: I am sorry Jonny Blue Jeans but I can only inform you of my own personnel experience at reducing a rateable value set by the valuation office .In the last but one paragraph you have hit it on the head. with your statement "rateable values are based on yearly rents that would be expected to have achieved on April 1st 2008". If you prove that the level set by the valuation office was excessive and cannot be achieved, then take the trouble to go to appeal you will succeed in reducing your rateable value. The business rating system is not fit for purpose and should be abolished but it needs more businesses to challenge business rate valuations.[/p][/quote]You are correct when you say " if you prove the level set was excessive, go to appeal," and it is a relatively easy process to gather the facts and submit your case, however I say again that it is based on the PROPERTY and not the business inside that property. The valuation officer has no idea, or right to know, what profits an independent business achieves and it is not taken into account. I agree that the system is unsatisfactory and needs a complete overhaul but I don't see this coming anytime in the near future. JonnyBlueJeans
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2:31pm Sat 28 Jun 14

malcolm calver says...

I hate to keep on about this but the business rate valuation of self catering properties is based on the expected income which is based on the location of the property i.e proximity to coast or other amenities etc To prove a property does not produce the anticipated profits submit accounts and the valuation office WILL reduce the valuation.
I hate to keep on about this but the business rate valuation of self catering properties is based on the expected income which is based on the location of the property i.e proximity to coast or other amenities etc To prove a property does not produce the anticipated profits submit accounts and the valuation office WILL reduce the valuation. malcolm calver
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2:09pm Sun 29 Jun 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

malcolm calver wrote:
I hate to keep on about this but the business rate valuation of self catering properties is based on the expected income which is based on the location of the property i.e proximity to coast or other amenities etc To prove a property does not produce the anticipated profits submit accounts and the valuation office WILL reduce the valuation.
This is slightly different than you inferred in your original disagreement about how business rates are calculated and appealed. Had you made it clear that you were talking about a self catering property I would have responded accordingly. You are however wrong to infer that the same thing would apply for town centre shop properties which was the basis of the article. You offer false advice to those people who are treated in a totally different way by the valuation officer. Anyone who lets out property for 140 days or more per year and actually achieves 70 days let is assessed as a business and as such rated accordingly. The officer will estimate the value per room expected and rate it as such. If , as you say you fail to achieve those sums you could try to appeal on that basis. This is very different from retail premises who do NOT have that as an option.
Once again I hope this makes it clear!
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: I hate to keep on about this but the business rate valuation of self catering properties is based on the expected income which is based on the location of the property i.e proximity to coast or other amenities etc To prove a property does not produce the anticipated profits submit accounts and the valuation office WILL reduce the valuation.[/p][/quote]This is slightly different than you inferred in your original disagreement about how business rates are calculated and appealed. Had you made it clear that you were talking about a self catering property I would have responded accordingly. You are however wrong to infer that the same thing would apply for town centre shop properties which was the basis of the article. You offer false advice to those people who are treated in a totally different way by the valuation officer. Anyone who lets out property for 140 days or more per year and actually achieves 70 days let is assessed as a business and as such rated accordingly. The officer will estimate the value per room expected and rate it as such. If , as you say you fail to achieve those sums you could try to appeal on that basis. This is very different from retail premises who do NOT have that as an option. Once again I hope this makes it clear! JonnyBlueJeans
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11:37am Mon 30 Jun 14

seaveiw says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.
hard to believe that another supermarket is being allowed to move into town, not needed more little private shops will close. might as well send a bull dozer down from the top get rid of the library and all the derelict shops, then along bridge street. building more residential property didn't work plenty of empty flats around town that have not sold,or been let. used to be a nice little town until the P.C.C. started there antics.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Town centres are dying on their feet lack of investment high car park charges high rates. When the. Big boys want to move in they are given all the help to destroy our town centres. Wake up and smell the coffee planners and local authorities you are losing revenue.[/p][/quote]hard to believe that another supermarket is being allowed to move into town, not needed more little private shops will close. might as well send a bull dozer down from the top get rid of the library and all the derelict shops, then along bridge street. building more residential property didn't work plenty of empty flats around town that have not sold,or been let. used to be a nice little town until the P.C.C. started there antics. seaveiw
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