Pembrokeshire County Council leader apologises over ex-youth worker sex offences scandal 'but no need for independent investigation'

Western Telegraph: Council leader Jamie Adams has apologised over disciplinary procedures involving Mik Smith Council leader Jamie Adams has apologised over disciplinary procedures involving Mik Smith

A CALL for an independent investigation into why Pembrokeshire County Council failed to take suitable action following reports of a youth worker’s ‘inappropriate behaviour’ was talked down at full council today.

Labour leader Cllr Paul Miller called for an investigation into the circumstances surrounding a former youth worker, who sexually abused a young boy after he was sacked from the council for ‘inappropriate behaviour’.

Michael (known as Mik) Smith was jailed for six years earlier this month after admitting child sex offences.

He had worked as a line manager with Pembrokeshire Youth Service and had been sacked in 2012.

Concerns about disciplinary procedures at County Hall following complaints made about Smith in 2005 were highlighted in a damning report into education and safeguarding by the Care and Social Services Inspectorate Wales (CSSIW) and Estyn in 2011.

Cllr Miller asked council leader Cllr Jamie Adams whether he thought there should be an independent inquiry “to ascertain exactly who, employed by this authority, failed to protect Pembrokeshire people and why?”

But cabinet member for education and safeguarding Cllr Sue Perkins said the investigations by ESTYN and CSSIW had already served that purpose.

She said the authority “accepts that there were shortfalls” and that “the leader has apologised publically”.

Cllr Perkins said the both the council and inspectorates were “now satisfied that children are safe, as safe as they can be in Pembrokeshire”, that the managers involved were no longer at the authority and all previous “shortfalls” were known and had been addressed.

She said an independent inquiry would serve no other purpose than to “lower staff morale again”.

As well as a notice of motion along similar lines, Cllr Miller also submitted a number of questions relating to the case and sought reassurances that nothing like this would or could happen again.

Both Cllr Perkins and Cllr Adams described the sanction applied in 2005 and subsequent monitoring as “inadequate” and “flawed”. They gave assurances that the authority would deal with the issue “wholly differently” now.

Cllr Adams apologised and said the fact the Smith had been given a verbal warning in 2005 was “a matter of regret”.

He added: “The sanction should have been a formal final warning and that’s clearly acknowledged by this council.”

The “subsequent monitoring should have been robust and wholly accountable and it wasn’t,” he said.

Cllr Adams said he had not been aware of the case in 2005 and asked all members to consider whether they knew anything about it because everyone had a responsibility.

Cllr Reg Owens said he and other councillors had raised concerns which were “largely ignored”.

A BBC Week in Week Out investigation aired on Tuesday alleged that the council’s chief executive, Bryn Parry Jones, had failed to act on information from the whistleblower, Sue Thomas, who had worked alongside Smith.

Cllr Adams claimed the chief executive was not aware Ms Thomas had invoked the whistleblowing policy until two or three weeks ago because her identity was not revealed during that process.

But Cllr Miller said correspondence between Ms Thomas and Mr Bryn Parry-Jones, which he had seen, suggested otherwise.

Cllr Adams claimed the correspondence, which he had also seen, related to a breakdown in Ms Thomas’ professional relationship with her line manager, Smith, but did not raise concerns about his behaviour.

He said it was “regrettable” that “nobody had joined the dots” and he apologised to everyone involved.

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6:24pm Thu 17 Jul 14

teifion says...

Does ANYONE believe jamie ?

I bet even those who voted their support felt they had to-maybe Bryn should apologise to several ppl who were bullied and harassed for daring to "whistle blow"
Does ANYONE believe jamie ? I bet even those who voted their support felt they had to-maybe Bryn should apologise to several ppl who were bullied and harassed for daring to "whistle blow" teifion
  • Score: 19

6:54pm Thu 17 Jul 14

SM1968 says...

Welcome to Pembrokeshire where child abuse is encouraged by the local authority, how low can you people get in covering your own backsides
Welcome to Pembrokeshire where child abuse is encouraged by the local authority, how low can you people get in covering your own backsides SM1968
  • Score: 18

7:03pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Rockface says...

A formal written warning? This is outrageous! It is no different to a verbal warning. I call upon the Welsh Government to step in now! Bryn and his followers need to be sacked! They allowed a sex abuser to carry on grooming and abusing children. Grooming is a criminal offence in itself! What a load of self indulgent people we have running Pembrokeshire!
A formal written warning? This is outrageous! It is no different to a verbal warning. I call upon the Welsh Government to step in now! Bryn and his followers need to be sacked! They allowed a sex abuser to carry on grooming and abusing children. Grooming is a criminal offence in itself! What a load of self indulgent people we have running Pembrokeshire! Rockface
  • Score: 23

7:07pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Flashbang says...

Just watched Jamie on TV going through his mealy mouthed "lessons have been learned" mantra. The problem Jamie is the only lesson you learn is how to cheat the people out of their taxes to subsidise an incompetent and dishonest administration, yourself included.
Just watched Jamie on TV going through his mealy mouthed "lessons have been learned" mantra. The problem Jamie is the only lesson you learn is how to cheat the people out of their taxes to subsidise an incompetent and dishonest administration, yourself included. Flashbang
  • Score: 18

7:15pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Rockface says...

Flashbang wrote:
Just watched Jamie on TV going through his mealy mouthed "lessons have been learned" mantra. The problem Jamie is the only lesson you learn is how to cheat the people out of their taxes to subsidise an incompetent and dishonest administration, yourself included.
All he ever says is "In terms of…." drives me mad!
[quote][p][bold]Flashbang[/bold] wrote: Just watched Jamie on TV going through his mealy mouthed "lessons have been learned" mantra. The problem Jamie is the only lesson you learn is how to cheat the people out of their taxes to subsidise an incompetent and dishonest administration, yourself included.[/p][/quote]All he ever says is "In terms of…." drives me mad! Rockface
  • Score: 15

7:16pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Rockface says...

The whistleblower joined the dots… and was sacked!
The whistleblower joined the dots… and was sacked! Rockface
  • Score: 18

9:20pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Sue T/K says...

I am the whistle blower. I listened to Jamie Adams with interest and growing anger at his unambiguous statement that correspondence between myself and Bryn Parry-Jones in November/December 2005 was related to and only to the breakdown of my professional relationship with my line manager Mik Smith. I copied two email letters to the CEO (I have the evidence). The first detailed mine and my teams concerns over the Mik Smith investigation and its outcome in terms of the punishment decided. To this I received the letter from the CEO discussed in the BBC Week in Week Out programme. The second letter followed up on the first (a second team debrief had been held) - this letter specifically stated 'His (i.e. Mik Smith) comments also make me question the credibility of PCC’s whistle blowing procedures and ethics.' Mik Smith had been openly stating to colleagues from both PCC and Carmarthenshire CC whilst on a combined training course, that I was the whistleblower who had put in complaints about his inappropriate behaviour. This was made clear in the letter BUT the majority of it related to my concerns over the apparent lack of real concern in management about Mik Smith's behaviour. There is no doubt what-so-ever that my letters related to the investigation. You decide for yourselves whether the CEO was aware of what was going on at the time or not. Although I am not remotely surprised at the spin Jamie Adams has put on the correspondence and the fact that PCC have attacked my character and credibility - nothing new there - it does worry me in light of their claims that a new culture is in place. Cllr. Paul Miller WAS right - PCC is a dangerous place (still). This type of defensive, closed attitude does not give their staff or I suspect the people of Pembrokeshire any confidence.
And, thanks for making that point clear Rockface - yes, WE did join the dots, as did management but they didn't like the resulting picture. They thought sacking me and keeping quiet would make it all go away - we knew it would come back to haunt them one day. Had they acted appropriately when they ALL knew about it, Mik Smith would have been sacked in about October 2005 (the date of the first complaint AFTER the whistleblowing investigation) - he was up to it again that soon after his verbal warning, which goes to show how PCC's inaction to the initial complaints gave him enough confidence to continue behaving in exactly the same way.
And yes, there was a breakdown of the professional relationship between myself and Mik Smith but this was due to the fact I had no doubt he was a danger to children. I couldn't bring myself to be in the same room as him and yet PCC insisted for almost 8 months that he would remain as my line manager when I returned to work and that I would have to sit down in mediation with him to settle our differences. There was nothing to settle - I was not going to work with him, never mind as my manager when he knew I was the whistleblower. Would anyone? I suspect not.
Sue Thomas
I am the whistle blower. I listened to Jamie Adams with interest and growing anger at his unambiguous statement that correspondence between myself and Bryn Parry-Jones in November/December 2005 was related to and only to the breakdown of my professional relationship with my line manager Mik Smith. I copied two email letters to the CEO (I have the evidence). The first detailed mine and my teams concerns over the Mik Smith investigation and its outcome in terms of the punishment decided. To this I received the letter from the CEO discussed in the BBC Week in Week Out programme. The second letter followed up on the first (a second team debrief had been held) - this letter specifically stated 'His (i.e. Mik Smith) comments also make me question the credibility of PCC’s whistle blowing procedures and ethics.' Mik Smith had been openly stating to colleagues from both PCC and Carmarthenshire CC whilst on a combined training course, that I was the whistleblower who had put in complaints about his inappropriate behaviour. This was made clear in the letter BUT the majority of it related to my concerns over the apparent lack of real concern in management about Mik Smith's behaviour. There is no doubt what-so-ever that my letters related to the investigation. You decide for yourselves whether the CEO was aware of what was going on at the time or not. Although I am not remotely surprised at the spin Jamie Adams has put on the correspondence and the fact that PCC have attacked my character and credibility - nothing new there - it does worry me in light of their claims that a new culture is in place. Cllr. Paul Miller WAS right - PCC is a dangerous place (still). This type of defensive, closed attitude does not give their staff or I suspect the people of Pembrokeshire any confidence. And, thanks for making that point clear Rockface - yes, WE did join the dots, as did management but they didn't like the resulting picture. They thought sacking me and keeping quiet would make it all go away - we knew it would come back to haunt them one day. Had they acted appropriately when they ALL knew about it, Mik Smith would have been sacked in about October 2005 (the date of the first complaint AFTER the whistleblowing investigation) - he was up to it again that soon after his verbal warning, which goes to show how PCC's inaction to the initial complaints gave him enough confidence to continue behaving in exactly the same way. And yes, there was a breakdown of the professional relationship between myself and Mik Smith but this was due to the fact I had no doubt he was a danger to children. I couldn't bring myself to be in the same room as him and yet PCC insisted for almost 8 months that he would remain as my line manager when I returned to work and that I would have to sit down in mediation with him to settle our differences. There was nothing to settle - I was not going to work with him, never mind as my manager when he knew I was the whistleblower. Would anyone? I suspect not. Sue Thomas Sue T/K
  • Score: 54

9:40pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Gogledd says...

We are being made fools of.
We are being made fools of. Gogledd
  • Score: 13

9:41pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Welshman23 says...

Sue T/K wrote:
I am the whistle blower. I listened to Jamie Adams with interest and growing anger at his unambiguous statement that correspondence between myself and Bryn Parry-Jones in November/December 2005 was related to and only to the breakdown of my professional relationship with my line manager Mik Smith. I copied two email letters to the CEO (I have the evidence). The first detailed mine and my teams concerns over the Mik Smith investigation and its outcome in terms of the punishment decided. To this I received the letter from the CEO discussed in the BBC Week in Week Out programme. The second letter followed up on the first (a second team debrief had been held) - this letter specifically stated 'His (i.e. Mik Smith) comments also make me question the credibility of PCC’s whistle blowing procedures and ethics.' Mik Smith had been openly stating to colleagues from both PCC and Carmarthenshire CC whilst on a combined training course, that I was the whistleblower who had put in complaints about his inappropriate behaviour. This was made clear in the letter BUT the majority of it related to my concerns over the apparent lack of real concern in management about Mik Smith's behaviour. There is no doubt what-so-ever that my letters related to the investigation. You decide for yourselves whether the CEO was aware of what was going on at the time or not. Although I am not remotely surprised at the spin Jamie Adams has put on the correspondence and the fact that PCC have attacked my character and credibility - nothing new there - it does worry me in light of their claims that a new culture is in place. Cllr. Paul Miller WAS right - PCC is a dangerous place (still). This type of defensive, closed attitude does not give their staff or I suspect the people of Pembrokeshire any confidence.
And, thanks for making that point clear Rockface - yes, WE did join the dots, as did management but they didn't like the resulting picture. They thought sacking me and keeping quiet would make it all go away - we knew it would come back to haunt them one day. Had they acted appropriately when they ALL knew about it, Mik Smith would have been sacked in about October 2005 (the date of the first complaint AFTER the whistleblowing investigation) - he was up to it again that soon after his verbal warning, which goes to show how PCC's inaction to the initial complaints gave him enough confidence to continue behaving in exactly the same way.
And yes, there was a breakdown of the professional relationship between myself and Mik Smith but this was due to the fact I had no doubt he was a danger to children. I couldn't bring myself to be in the same room as him and yet PCC insisted for almost 8 months that he would remain as my line manager when I returned to work and that I would have to sit down in mediation with him to settle our differences. There was nothing to settle - I was not going to work with him, never mind as my manager when he knew I was the whistleblower. Would anyone? I suspect not.
Sue Thomas
I take my hag off for trying to get this sorted and to lose your job is a travesty, there is no support for what you did, and Farmer Adams speaks as if he has a plumb in his mouth how can he defend the actions of the council. I hope you get justice for what you did and identify this monster only to be treated so badly.
You are a true lady and I wish you and your family the best for the future, and thank you for reporting this person.
[quote][p][bold]Sue T/K[/bold] wrote: I am the whistle blower. I listened to Jamie Adams with interest and growing anger at his unambiguous statement that correspondence between myself and Bryn Parry-Jones in November/December 2005 was related to and only to the breakdown of my professional relationship with my line manager Mik Smith. I copied two email letters to the CEO (I have the evidence). The first detailed mine and my teams concerns over the Mik Smith investigation and its outcome in terms of the punishment decided. To this I received the letter from the CEO discussed in the BBC Week in Week Out programme. The second letter followed up on the first (a second team debrief had been held) - this letter specifically stated 'His (i.e. Mik Smith) comments also make me question the credibility of PCC’s whistle blowing procedures and ethics.' Mik Smith had been openly stating to colleagues from both PCC and Carmarthenshire CC whilst on a combined training course, that I was the whistleblower who had put in complaints about his inappropriate behaviour. This was made clear in the letter BUT the majority of it related to my concerns over the apparent lack of real concern in management about Mik Smith's behaviour. There is no doubt what-so-ever that my letters related to the investigation. You decide for yourselves whether the CEO was aware of what was going on at the time or not. Although I am not remotely surprised at the spin Jamie Adams has put on the correspondence and the fact that PCC have attacked my character and credibility - nothing new there - it does worry me in light of their claims that a new culture is in place. Cllr. Paul Miller WAS right - PCC is a dangerous place (still). This type of defensive, closed attitude does not give their staff or I suspect the people of Pembrokeshire any confidence. And, thanks for making that point clear Rockface - yes, WE did join the dots, as did management but they didn't like the resulting picture. They thought sacking me and keeping quiet would make it all go away - we knew it would come back to haunt them one day. Had they acted appropriately when they ALL knew about it, Mik Smith would have been sacked in about October 2005 (the date of the first complaint AFTER the whistleblowing investigation) - he was up to it again that soon after his verbal warning, which goes to show how PCC's inaction to the initial complaints gave him enough confidence to continue behaving in exactly the same way. And yes, there was a breakdown of the professional relationship between myself and Mik Smith but this was due to the fact I had no doubt he was a danger to children. I couldn't bring myself to be in the same room as him and yet PCC insisted for almost 8 months that he would remain as my line manager when I returned to work and that I would have to sit down in mediation with him to settle our differences. There was nothing to settle - I was not going to work with him, never mind as my manager when he knew I was the whistleblower. Would anyone? I suspect not. Sue Thomas[/p][/quote]I take my hag off for trying to get this sorted and to lose your job is a travesty, there is no support for what you did, and Farmer Adams speaks as if he has a plumb in his mouth how can he defend the actions of the council. I hope you get justice for what you did and identify this monster only to be treated so badly. You are a true lady and I wish you and your family the best for the future, and thank you for reporting this person. Welshman23
  • Score: 26

9:57pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Sue T/K says...

Thanks Welshman23 - I appreciate all the support I have been getting from people who represent the decent, normal residents of Pembs. Please don't let this issue fade away before real changes are made. Sue
Thanks Welshman23 - I appreciate all the support I have been getting from people who represent the decent, normal residents of Pembs. Please don't let this issue fade away before real changes are made. Sue Sue T/K
  • Score: 24

11:19pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Rockface says...

Sue T/K wrote:
Thanks Welshman23 - I appreciate all the support I have been getting from people who represent the decent, normal residents of Pembs. Please don't let this issue fade away before real changes are made. Sue
Sue… well done! I know this journey hasn't been easy, believe me as I have trod the same path as you. Is there any way I could contact you?
[quote][p][bold]Sue T/K[/bold] wrote: Thanks Welshman23 - I appreciate all the support I have been getting from people who represent the decent, normal residents of Pembs. Please don't let this issue fade away before real changes are made. Sue[/p][/quote]Sue… well done! I know this journey hasn't been easy, believe me as I have trod the same path as you. Is there any way I could contact you? Rockface
  • Score: 9

11:23pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Jonathan Nutting says...

I am a councillor. I am ashamed :(
I am a councillor. I am ashamed :( Jonathan Nutting
  • Score: 23

6:47am Fri 18 Jul 14

SM1968 says...

Jonathan Nutting wrote:
I am a councillor. I am ashamed :(
Well then Jonathan, its time to he brave and get a big broom and sweep clean, sweep clean the Senior Management Team in PCC, we are not talking a back hander of a few thousand here, this was systematic abuse of innocent children that was bought to the attention of senior managers and nothing was done as it should have been. It cannot as Mr Adams thinks, be defended, i would jail the lot of them. to try to defend this is about as low as you can get, covering up child abuse to further your career and elite funny handshake money grabbing club is sickening
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Nutting[/bold] wrote: I am a councillor. I am ashamed :([/p][/quote]Well then Jonathan, its time to he brave and get a big broom and sweep clean, sweep clean the Senior Management Team in PCC, we are not talking a back hander of a few thousand here, this was systematic abuse of innocent children that was bought to the attention of senior managers and nothing was done as it should have been. It cannot as Mr Adams thinks, be defended, i would jail the lot of them. to try to defend this is about as low as you can get, covering up child abuse to further your career and elite funny handshake money grabbing club is sickening SM1968
  • Score: 18

8:28am Fri 18 Jul 14

williamsmum says...

How I agree with all those comments.
Well done Sue for speaking out, they should be ashamed that it cost you your job. You should have been congratulated, but then that would have meant their heads would roll - well, possibly. But its so much old boys network on the PCC what chance does anyone have. Over the years our PCC have gone from bad to worse , together with their incompetence and our Health Boards it makes me ashamed to live in Pembrokeshire.

We deserve better, best part is it's US who pay their wages!!!
How I agree with all those comments. Well done Sue for speaking out, they should be ashamed that it cost you your job. You should have been congratulated, but then that would have meant their heads would roll - well, possibly. But its so much old boys network on the PCC what chance does anyone have. Over the years our PCC have gone from bad to worse , together with their incompetence and our Health Boards it makes me ashamed to live in Pembrokeshire. We deserve better, best part is it's US who pay their wages!!! williamsmum
  • Score: 15

8:38am Fri 18 Jul 14

SM1968 says...

I think ALL Councillors need to take a long hard look at themsleves at this juncuture and ask themselves some pretty hard questions, along the lines " Am I prepared to acrry on with this old boys club , where the deals including covering uop child abuse are allowed to carry on, or am I man or woman enough to stand up to the leaders and say NO! enough is enough you have to go". FAO Councillors, the elctorate has had enough and this is the final and most sickening straw , child abuse in our local authority that was covered up and sswept under the carpet to keep ego's intact. In other countrys you would be hung for it!
I think ALL Councillors need to take a long hard look at themsleves at this juncuture and ask themselves some pretty hard questions, along the lines " Am I prepared to acrry on with this old boys club , where the deals including covering uop child abuse are allowed to carry on, or am I man or woman enough to stand up to the leaders and say NO! enough is enough you have to go". FAO Councillors, the elctorate has had enough and this is the final and most sickening straw , child abuse in our local authority that was covered up and sswept under the carpet to keep ego's intact. In other countrys you would be hung for it! SM1968
  • Score: 14

8:53am Fri 18 Jul 14

Sue T/K says...

Jonathan - the mere fact that you wrote the comment you did suggests strongly to me that your're not one of the ones who should be feeling that way. The ones who really need to hang their heads are the ones who have allowed themselves to be brain washed by the/their leader and I suspect that they are the ones who will never feel any remorse, or at least admit to it publicly. I can't comprehend it - I have no idea what makes people behave completely at odds with decency or even public opinion. What are they gaining from it? Is it monetary; is it position; is it a slap on the back from the big chief? What?
Jonathan, if you've done anything/your best to combat the above situation then please change your :( to :) We're all small cogs, it takes a lot of us to turn the wheels of change.
Jonathan - the mere fact that you wrote the comment you did suggests strongly to me that your're not one of the ones who should be feeling that way. The ones who really need to hang their heads are the ones who have allowed themselves to be brain washed by the/their leader and I suspect that they are the ones who will never feel any remorse, or at least admit to it publicly. I can't comprehend it - I have no idea what makes people behave completely at odds with decency or even public opinion. What are they gaining from it? Is it monetary; is it position; is it a slap on the back from the big chief? What? Jonathan, if you've done anything/your best to combat the above situation then please change your :( to :) We're all small cogs, it takes a lot of us to turn the wheels of change. Sue T/K
  • Score: 23

9:42am Fri 18 Jul 14

Flashbang says...

Sue T/K, give every document proving PCC knew about this to the media and anyone else who can put this in the spotlight. Make a lot of noise to bring more attention to this goings on at this corrupt council.
Sue T/K, give every document proving PCC knew about this to the media and anyone else who can put this in the spotlight. Make a lot of noise to bring more attention to this goings on at this corrupt council. Flashbang
  • Score: 17

9:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

Sue T/K says...

Happy to Flashbang - I fowarded items last night to various persons to use as they feel fit. This isn't an obsession, just a necessity - I'll be glad when it's all over and I can put it all behind me. By that I think I'm coming to the same conclusion as AM Joyce Watson (amongst many others), BPJ has to go.
Happy to Flashbang - I fowarded items last night to various persons to use as they feel fit. This isn't an obsession, just a necessity - I'll be glad when it's all over and I can put it all behind me. By that I think I'm coming to the same conclusion as AM Joyce Watson (amongst many others), BPJ has to go. Sue T/K
  • Score: 14

5:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

seaveiw says...

Sue T/K wrote:
Happy to Flashbang - I fowarded items last night to various persons to use as they feel fit. This isn't an obsession, just a necessity - I'll be glad when it's all over and I can put it all behind me. By that I think I'm coming to the same conclusion as AM Joyce Watson (amongst many others), BPJ has to go.
Well done sue I know what it is like to be a whistle blower, and was made to feel it was me who had the problem. Could have been slightly different as it the N.H.S. eventually the person involved who was a bully was taken to task and moved elsewhere, but didnt last long as her cronies were not around.Come on Welsh Assembly move now and sort out this lot, surely the Chief Executive has ultimate responsibilty overall for decisions made by his Heads of Departments otherwise why is he paid such a high salary, and what does he do with his time.
[quote][p][bold]Sue T/K[/bold] wrote: Happy to Flashbang - I fowarded items last night to various persons to use as they feel fit. This isn't an obsession, just a necessity - I'll be glad when it's all over and I can put it all behind me. By that I think I'm coming to the same conclusion as AM Joyce Watson (amongst many others), BPJ has to go.[/p][/quote]Well done sue I know what it is like to be a whistle blower, and was made to feel it was me who had the problem. Could have been slightly different as it the N.H.S. eventually the person involved who was a bully was taken to task and moved elsewhere, but didnt last long as her cronies were not around.Come on Welsh Assembly move now and sort out this lot, surely the Chief Executive has ultimate responsibilty overall for decisions made by his Heads of Departments otherwise why is he paid such a high salary, and what does he do with his time. seaveiw
  • Score: 8

5:43pm Fri 18 Jul 14

teifion says...

SM1968 wrote:
Jonathan Nutting wrote:
I am a councillor. I am ashamed :(
Well then Jonathan, its time to he brave and get a big broom and sweep clean, sweep clean the Senior Management Team in PCC, we are not talking a back hander of a few thousand here, this was systematic abuse of innocent children that was bought to the attention of senior managers and nothing was done as it should have been. It cannot as Mr Adams thinks, be defended, i would jail the lot of them. to try to defend this is about as low as you can get, covering up child abuse to further your career and elite funny handshake money grabbing club is sickening
One gets the impression that thanks to Bryns legal advice or is it a "domesday scenario" threat that the shower in the IPG party are terrified that it will cost he council couple of million quid to get rid of him (did I read that here a few weeks ago?)

- why?

Do councils abide by different laws, rules and regulations ?

Bryn is not fit for purpose and should be sacked - no court could ever find for wrongful OR constructive dismissal
[quote][p][bold]SM1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Nutting[/bold] wrote: I am a councillor. I am ashamed :([/p][/quote]Well then Jonathan, its time to he brave and get a big broom and sweep clean, sweep clean the Senior Management Team in PCC, we are not talking a back hander of a few thousand here, this was systematic abuse of innocent children that was bought to the attention of senior managers and nothing was done as it should have been. It cannot as Mr Adams thinks, be defended, i would jail the lot of them. to try to defend this is about as low as you can get, covering up child abuse to further your career and elite funny handshake money grabbing club is sickening[/p][/quote]One gets the impression that thanks to Bryns legal advice or is it a "domesday scenario" threat that the shower in the IPG party are terrified that it will cost he council couple of million quid to get rid of him (did I read that here a few weeks ago?) - why? Do councils abide by different laws, rules and regulations ? Bryn is not fit for purpose and should be sacked - no court could ever find for wrongful OR constructive dismissal teifion
  • Score: 5

6:05pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Tim Hart says...

Well done Sue! As with most whistleblowers you pay a heavy price for your courage. I hope you gain some comfort from the fact that you did the right thing in exposing wrong-doing, despite the dismal response of those responsible for safe-guarding the children in their care. Do they still call themselves public servants and public representatives? I hope not.
Well done Sue! As with most whistleblowers you pay a heavy price for your courage. I hope you gain some comfort from the fact that you did the right thing in exposing wrong-doing, despite the dismal response of those responsible for safe-guarding the children in their care. Do they still call themselves public servants and public representatives? I hope not. Tim Hart
  • Score: 9

6:53pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Rockface says...

Sue… right now it will be the Barristers from the insurance companies that actually run the council advising the leader and BJ on how to react on this. By them admitting that the CEO knew about this would leave them wide open to litigation. So when we vote in the next election think about what meerkats we want running the council.
Sue… right now it will be the Barristers from the insurance companies that actually run the council advising the leader and BJ on how to react on this. By them admitting that the CEO knew about this would leave them wide open to litigation. So when we vote in the next election think about what meerkats we want running the council. Rockface
  • Score: 8

7:08pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Maddie007 says...

No need for an independent inquiry as it will lower staff moral. How the hell does BPJ think that comment goes down with the families that have been involved with this case. Investigation indeed, then why did I have to find out through week in week out that my child was at risk from Mik Smith. I am so angry I can't begin to say. PCC need to answer a lot of questions and BPJ, the buck definitely stops with him. Definitely needs to be an independent enquiry.
No need for an independent inquiry as it will lower staff moral. How the hell does BPJ think that comment goes down with the families that have been involved with this case. Investigation indeed, then why did I have to find out through week in week out that my child was at risk from Mik Smith. I am so angry I can't begin to say. PCC need to answer a lot of questions and BPJ, the buck definitely stops with him. Definitely needs to be an independent enquiry. Maddie007
  • Score: 11

8:31pm Fri 18 Jul 14

stevedavis says...

Yes, well, we must have faith in our leaders
Yes, well, we must have faith in our leaders stevedavis
  • Score: -4

10:47pm Fri 18 Jul 14

teifion says...

We are saying that jamie was "telling the truth" before the Pembrokeshire Herald had e-mails tha tthe truth that Bryn and Jamie were lying?
We are saying that jamie was "telling the truth" before the Pembrokeshire Herald had e-mails tha tthe truth that Bryn and Jamie were lying? teifion
  • Score: 3

11:41am Sat 19 Jul 14

maesteg says...

That Perkins person the cabinet member for Education and safeguarding whose main concern appears to be not upsetting the morale of staff, has lost the plot. Morale? They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom. The Councillors and Officers priority seems to be to defend each other, no matter what. I know that the Chief Exec needs to go ASAP, but an awful lot of the money grabbing sycophants making excuses for one failure after another need to go as well. The whole thing is rotten to the core and the sooner the Assembly takes over the better. If being a County Councillor wasn’t so lucrative perhaps the right people would stand and not just because it’s (quote) ‘A nice little earner’ we the electorate must take some responsibility for putting these people in position and allowing this travesty to continue.
That Perkins person the cabinet member for Education and safeguarding whose main concern appears to be not upsetting the morale of staff, has lost the plot. Morale? They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom. The Councillors and Officers priority seems to be to defend each other, no matter what. I know that the Chief Exec needs to go ASAP, but an awful lot of the money grabbing sycophants making excuses for one failure after another need to go as well. The whole thing is rotten to the core and the sooner the Assembly takes over the better. If being a County Councillor wasn’t so lucrative perhaps the right people would stand and not just because it’s (quote) ‘A nice little earner’ we the electorate must take some responsibility for putting these people in position and allowing this travesty to continue. maesteg
  • Score: 5

4:04pm Sat 19 Jul 14

sime17 says...

maesteg wrote:
That Perkins person the cabinet member for Education and safeguarding whose main concern appears to be not upsetting the morale of staff, has lost the plot. Morale? They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom. The Councillors and Officers priority seems to be to defend each other, no matter what. I know that the Chief Exec needs to go ASAP, but an awful lot of the money grabbing sycophants making excuses for one failure after another need to go as well. The whole thing is rotten to the core and the sooner the Assembly takes over the better. If being a County Councillor wasn’t so lucrative perhaps the right people would stand and not just because it’s (quote) ‘A nice little earner’ we the electorate must take some responsibility for putting these people in position and allowing this travesty to continue.
'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :(
[quote][p][bold]maesteg[/bold] wrote: That Perkins person the cabinet member for Education and safeguarding whose main concern appears to be not upsetting the morale of staff, has lost the plot. Morale? They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom. The Councillors and Officers priority seems to be to defend each other, no matter what. I know that the Chief Exec needs to go ASAP, but an awful lot of the money grabbing sycophants making excuses for one failure after another need to go as well. The whole thing is rotten to the core and the sooner the Assembly takes over the better. If being a County Councillor wasn’t so lucrative perhaps the right people would stand and not just because it’s (quote) ‘A nice little earner’ we the electorate must take some responsibility for putting these people in position and allowing this travesty to continue.[/p][/quote]'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :( sime17
  • Score: 4

8:33am Sun 20 Jul 14

Tony1239 says...

Even in the Darkest Corners Of the Ruling Elite on Pembrokeshire County Council there Reside Decent hard Working People. Who must Surley be wrestling with there consciousness over this Current Scandal , for Gods sake this is Child Abuse that could/Should have been Prevented ,iIt Appears now that up to 10 Individuals brought there Concerns Forward about this Monster To the Attention of Department and the Chief Executive And were Arrogantly Dismissed , I must add at this Point that I am currently a Councillor in Opposition on Pembs County Council and am more Than aware of the Way Authority Operates , This Situation However is Different from all Previous Perceived Scandals that has embroiled the County that I Live in , It is not about Control Patronage Political Point Scoring it is about CHILD ABUSE. I Happen to be of the opinion that Pembrokeshire Council is a much Better run Authority than Carmarthenshire which is Controlled by the Party of Which I am a Member . I Know. For certain that there are a number of Councillors within ruling Group that are concerned/upset in relation to this Matter I simply say this to them it is in your hands to restore the faith placed upon you by The residents of our County ,
Even in the Darkest Corners Of the Ruling Elite on Pembrokeshire County Council there Reside Decent hard Working People. Who must Surley be wrestling with there consciousness over this Current Scandal , for Gods sake this is Child Abuse that could/Should have been Prevented ,iIt Appears now that up to 10 Individuals brought there Concerns Forward about this Monster To the Attention of Department and the Chief Executive And were Arrogantly Dismissed , I must add at this Point that I am currently a Councillor in Opposition on Pembs County Council and am more Than aware of the Way Authority Operates , This Situation However is Different from all Previous Perceived Scandals that has embroiled the County that I Live in , It is not about Control Patronage Political Point Scoring it is about CHILD ABUSE. I Happen to be of the opinion that Pembrokeshire Council is a much Better run Authority than Carmarthenshire which is Controlled by the Party of Which I am a Member . I Know. For certain that there are a number of Councillors within ruling Group that are concerned/upset in relation to this Matter I simply say this to them it is in your hands to restore the faith placed upon you by The residents of our County , Tony1239
  • Score: 6

11:08am Sun 20 Jul 14

Sue T/K says...

Tony1239 - I did the programme with the BBC because I was very concerned that the culture in PCC had not changed since the CSSIW/Estyn Investigation, despite the arrest of Mik Smith in Nov 13. When I agreed to do it, I thought it would be the end of my involvement - I'd like nothing more than to put this all behind me. I hoped that when more people were made aware, change would be demanded by persons with the power to make those changes happen. Despite a huge amount of support from numerous individuals, there have been few elected representatives prepared to stand up and be counted (I'm appreciative that you have). I'd like to stress this point - you and all your colleagues are elected representatives (nothing more or less, and that is not a put down). I would hope ALL of your colleagues have the integrity to represent the views of the electorate honestly and they don't make the presumption that they know best for the 'little man in the street'. Let me spell it out for those of your colleagues who aren't 'upset/concerned' - THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR ELECTORATE ARE WAITING LIKE ME FOR OPENNESS/ANSWERS; REAL CONTRITION; A STOP TO BEAR FACED LYING IN COUNCIL CHAMBER; TOP MANAGEMENT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR PAST ACTIONS (BE A MAN BPJ AND STOP HIDING BEHIND YOUR MINNIONS). I'm not sure how the likes of Cllrs Jamie Adams and Sue Perkins sleep at night. I'd like to categorically state here that Jamie Adams lied on Thurs in the council chamber - he either had NOT read my correspondence with the CEO or he lied about its content. Either way, if you're reading this Mr Adams, you tell porky pies - I know lying is probably endemic in politics but if you haven't got the mental capacity to only do it when there's no proof to contradict you I suggest that you're in the wrong job. How about an webcast apology - after all you called me a liar on a webcast in a public meeting. Seems only fair to me. Anyone wanting the proof - I understand the Pembrokeshire Herald have printed some of it (I have not seen this yet). Also, a small clip of it is published on Old Grumpy. MR BRYN PARRY-JONES KNEW ABOUT THE MIK SMITH CASE IN NOV 2005. HE RESPONDED TO MY LETTER OF 9 NOV 05; DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION GERSON DAVIES RESPONDED, MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT THE MIK SMITH INVESTIGATION AS DID HEAD OF THE YOUTH SERVICE. ALL TO THE SAME LONG EMAIL LETTER I WROTE REGARDING THE TEAMS CONCERNS ABOUT MIK SMITH AND ABOUT HOW THE INVESTIGATION WAS CONDUCTED AND ITS CONCLUSION. BPJ is answerable in this matter - don't let them convince you otherwise. The lies go on; and on; and on.
Tony1239 - I did the programme with the BBC because I was very concerned that the culture in PCC had not changed since the CSSIW/Estyn Investigation, despite the arrest of Mik Smith in Nov 13. When I agreed to do it, I thought it would be the end of my involvement - I'd like nothing more than to put this all behind me. I hoped that when more people were made aware, change would be demanded by persons with the power to make those changes happen. Despite a huge amount of support from numerous individuals, there have been few elected representatives prepared to stand up and be counted (I'm appreciative that you have). I'd like to stress this point - you and all your colleagues are elected representatives (nothing more or less, and that is not a put down). I would hope ALL of your colleagues have the integrity to represent the views of the electorate honestly and they don't make the presumption that they know best for the 'little man in the street'. Let me spell it out for those of your colleagues who aren't 'upset/concerned' - THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR ELECTORATE ARE WAITING LIKE ME FOR OPENNESS/ANSWERS; REAL CONTRITION; A STOP TO BEAR FACED LYING IN COUNCIL CHAMBER; TOP MANAGEMENT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR PAST ACTIONS (BE A MAN BPJ AND STOP HIDING BEHIND YOUR MINNIONS). I'm not sure how the likes of Cllrs Jamie Adams and Sue Perkins sleep at night. I'd like to categorically state here that Jamie Adams lied on Thurs in the council chamber - he either had NOT read my correspondence with the CEO or he lied about its content. Either way, if you're reading this Mr Adams, you tell porky pies - I know lying is probably endemic in politics but if you haven't got the mental capacity to only do it when there's no proof to contradict you I suggest that you're in the wrong job. How about an webcast apology - after all you called me a liar on a webcast in a public meeting. Seems only fair to me. Anyone wanting the proof - I understand the Pembrokeshire Herald have printed some of it (I have not seen this yet). Also, a small clip of it is published on Old Grumpy. MR BRYN PARRY-JONES KNEW ABOUT THE MIK SMITH CASE IN NOV 2005. HE RESPONDED TO MY LETTER OF 9 NOV 05; DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION GERSON DAVIES RESPONDED, MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT THE MIK SMITH INVESTIGATION AS DID HEAD OF THE YOUTH SERVICE. ALL TO THE SAME LONG EMAIL LETTER I WROTE REGARDING THE TEAMS CONCERNS ABOUT MIK SMITH AND ABOUT HOW THE INVESTIGATION WAS CONDUCTED AND ITS CONCLUSION. BPJ is answerable in this matter - don't let them convince you otherwise. The lies go on; and on; and on. Sue T/K
  • Score: 7

11:24am Sun 20 Jul 14

maesteg says...

sime17 wrote:
maesteg wrote:
That Perkins person the cabinet member for Education and safeguarding whose main concern appears to be not upsetting the morale of staff, has lost the plot. Morale? They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom. The Councillors and Officers priority seems to be to defend each other, no matter what. I know that the Chief Exec needs to go ASAP, but an awful lot of the money grabbing sycophants making excuses for one failure after another need to go as well. The whole thing is rotten to the core and the sooner the Assembly takes over the better. If being a County Councillor wasn’t so lucrative perhaps the right people would stand and not just because it’s (quote) ‘A nice little earner’ we the electorate must take some responsibility for putting these people in position and allowing this travesty to continue.
'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :(
Sime 17;
Quote 'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :(

Of course, like most people I have sympathy for anyone who is forced to accept an ‘unjustified’ salary reduction. However, perhaps you misunderstood. My comment is related to the article, the repeated failings of the Council, the lame excuses made by the leader, the ridiculous comment made by the cabinet member and other ‘high profile shysters’ all who appear to have lost the plot and forgotten that a child was abused. My comment was not an attack on the lower paid.
[quote][p][bold]sime17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maesteg[/bold] wrote: That Perkins person the cabinet member for Education and safeguarding whose main concern appears to be not upsetting the morale of staff, has lost the plot. Morale? They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom. The Councillors and Officers priority seems to be to defend each other, no matter what. I know that the Chief Exec needs to go ASAP, but an awful lot of the money grabbing sycophants making excuses for one failure after another need to go as well. The whole thing is rotten to the core and the sooner the Assembly takes over the better. If being a County Councillor wasn’t so lucrative perhaps the right people would stand and not just because it’s (quote) ‘A nice little earner’ we the electorate must take some responsibility for putting these people in position and allowing this travesty to continue.[/p][/quote]'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :([/p][/quote]Sime 17; Quote 'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :( Of course, like most people I have sympathy for anyone who is forced to accept an ‘unjustified’ salary reduction. However, perhaps you misunderstood. My comment is related to the article, the repeated failings of the Council, the lame excuses made by the leader, the ridiculous comment made by the cabinet member and other ‘high profile shysters’ all who appear to have lost the plot and forgotten that a child was abused. My comment was not an attack on the lower paid. maesteg
  • Score: 5

11:50am Sun 20 Jul 14

Tony1239 says...

Sue , How long was it after you wrote to Chief /exec did he reply with that Arrogant Dismissal ?
Sue , How long was it after you wrote to Chief /exec did he reply with that Arrogant Dismissal ? Tony1239
  • Score: 2

1:20pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Sue T/K says...

Tony1239 - The CEO's letter was dated 16 Nov (a week after my first email letter which was dated the 9 Nov - 1 day after the team debrief regarding Mik Smith's investigation ). I received his response shortly after the 16th. The reply from Gerson Davies was dated 11 Nov and the one from Eirain Evans the 16 Nov. I have copies of all.
Tony1239 - The CEO's letter was dated 16 Nov (a week after my first email letter which was dated the 9 Nov - 1 day after the team debrief regarding Mik Smith's investigation ). I received his response shortly after the 16th. The reply from Gerson Davies was dated 11 Nov and the one from Eirain Evans the 16 Nov. I have copies of all. Sue T/K
  • Score: 4

1:44pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Flashbang says...

Sue T/K, if Jamie Adams called you a liar in a public meeting and on a webcast then you have a very good case for suing him for slander and defamation. Is there any lawyer reading this that would like to step in and advise Sue?
Furthermore, as Jamie Adams would be part of the investigation he has a vested interest in no investigation taking place. Therefore we can only conclude he has something to hide.
Sue T/K, if Jamie Adams called you a liar in a public meeting and on a webcast then you have a very good case for suing him for slander and defamation. Is there any lawyer reading this that would like to step in and advise Sue? Furthermore, as Jamie Adams would be part of the investigation he has a vested interest in no investigation taking place. Therefore we can only conclude he has something to hide. Flashbang
  • Score: 2

1:46pm Sun 20 Jul 14

seaveiw says...

Tony1239 wrote:
Sue , How long was it after you wrote to Chief /exec did he reply with that Arrogant Dismissal ?
Hi Sue, When I saw the contents of the letter sent to you on the B.B.C. programme it put me in mind of a similar one I had, when I complained of bullying it was in a similar vein trying to turn the tables and make me feel I had a problem. Lets hope the Welsh Assembly can sort out this lot of fools who cannot see past the " end of their noses"
[quote][p][bold]Tony1239[/bold] wrote: Sue , How long was it after you wrote to Chief /exec did he reply with that Arrogant Dismissal ?[/p][/quote]Hi Sue, When I saw the contents of the letter sent to you on the B.B.C. programme it put me in mind of a similar one I had, when I complained of bullying it was in a similar vein trying to turn the tables and make me feel I had a problem. Lets hope the Welsh Assembly can sort out this lot of fools who cannot see past the " end of their noses" seaveiw
  • Score: 4

3:10pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Oh dear!!! How much worse has it got to get before somebody in authority decides enough is enough and decides to do something?

Given that the IPG councillors are ruling the roost on advice from officers, with little challenge or dissent, this can only be the Welsh Government.

While they can't disband the Council, they do have the power to take action as in Special Measures. Why does it allow this to on and on?

What has changed about the ethos of this Council? Who on earth can protect us?

It is very unfortunate that the Council leadership has, in my view, lost the trust of the public.
Oh dear!!! How much worse has it got to get before somebody in authority decides enough is enough and decides to do something? Given that the IPG councillors are ruling the roost on advice from officers, with little challenge or dissent, this can only be the Welsh Government. While they can't disband the Council, they do have the power to take action as in Special Measures. Why does it allow this to on and on? What has changed about the ethos of this Council? Who on earth can protect us? It is very unfortunate that the Council leadership has, in my view, lost the trust of the public. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 3

3:19pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Tony1239 says...

One week ! Considering the seriousness of allegations made that is simply not enough time for even a cursory investigation ,
One week ! Considering the seriousness of allegations made that is simply not enough time for even a cursory investigation , Tony1239
  • Score: 2

4:56pm Sun 20 Jul 14

sime17 says...

maesteg wrote:
sime17 wrote:
maesteg wrote:
That Perkins person the cabinet member for Education and safeguarding whose main concern appears to be not upsetting the morale of staff, has lost the plot. Morale? They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom. The Councillors and Officers priority seems to be to defend each other, no matter what. I know that the Chief Exec needs to go ASAP, but an awful lot of the money grabbing sycophants making excuses for one failure after another need to go as well. The whole thing is rotten to the core and the sooner the Assembly takes over the better. If being a County Councillor wasn’t so lucrative perhaps the right people would stand and not just because it’s (quote) ‘A nice little earner’ we the electorate must take some responsibility for putting these people in position and allowing this travesty to continue.
'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :(
Sime 17;
Quote 'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :(

Of course, like most people I have sympathy for anyone who is forced to accept an ‘unjustified’ salary reduction. However, perhaps you misunderstood. My comment is related to the article, the repeated failings of the Council, the lame excuses made by the leader, the ridiculous comment made by the cabinet member and other ‘high profile shysters’ all who appear to have lost the plot and forgotten that a child was abused. My comment was not an attack on the lower paid.
Maesteg - sorry, I was overdosing on righteous indignation yesterday, rereading your comment I can see that wasn't exactly what you were intimating. It's just that many of the 'shopfloor' staff that I personally know have been really dumped on in the last couple of years whilst certain people at the top appear to be teflon. Somebody said that WG should intervene - unfortunately it might be a long wait as in my personal experience most in that organisation don't appear to be able to find their behinds with both hands. :( ......Utmost respect to Sue T/K, and the charge laid earlier on must surely be actionable?!
[quote][p][bold]maesteg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sime17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maesteg[/bold] wrote: That Perkins person the cabinet member for Education and safeguarding whose main concern appears to be not upsetting the morale of staff, has lost the plot. Morale? They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom. The Councillors and Officers priority seems to be to defend each other, no matter what. I know that the Chief Exec needs to go ASAP, but an awful lot of the money grabbing sycophants making excuses for one failure after another need to go as well. The whole thing is rotten to the core and the sooner the Assembly takes over the better. If being a County Councillor wasn’t so lucrative perhaps the right people would stand and not just because it’s (quote) ‘A nice little earner’ we the electorate must take some responsibility for putting these people in position and allowing this travesty to continue.[/p][/quote]'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :([/p][/quote]Sime 17; Quote 'They all need a kick up the backside from the top to the bottom' really Maesteg Boy? Then you can content yourself with the knowledge that whilst BPJ is the highest paid CEO of all the Welsh LA's the frontline staff are some of the lowest paid in relation to equivalent staff in other LA's, and many of these lower paid workers have been further knocked by a very devisive and cynical 'job evaluation' process that has slashed £2k to £5k off many salaries. Staff morale IS VERY LOW, but ironically that is the fault of people like the IPG shower (she has a some neck to make that comment!!) and actually seeing these high profile sheisters' heads roll would be a HUGE BOOST to staff morale. It'll never happen though.... :( Of course, like most people I have sympathy for anyone who is forced to accept an ‘unjustified’ salary reduction. However, perhaps you misunderstood. My comment is related to the article, the repeated failings of the Council, the lame excuses made by the leader, the ridiculous comment made by the cabinet member and other ‘high profile shysters’ all who appear to have lost the plot and forgotten that a child was abused. My comment was not an attack on the lower paid.[/p][/quote]Maesteg - sorry, I was overdosing on righteous indignation yesterday, rereading your comment I can see that wasn't exactly what you were intimating. It's just that many of the 'shopfloor' staff that I personally know have been really dumped on in the last couple of years whilst certain people at the top appear to be teflon. Somebody said that WG should intervene - unfortunately it might be a long wait as in my personal experience most in that organisation don't appear to be able to find their behinds with both hands. :( ......Utmost respect to Sue T/K, and the charge laid earlier on must surely be actionable?! sime17
  • Score: 2

4:58pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Welshman23 says...

Can someone explain why Jamie Adams has to make statements his track record on making statements is not great, where is the Dirctor of social services, is he not allowed to comment. As for BPJ making a statement dream on.
Can someone explain why Jamie Adams has to make statements his track record on making statements is not great, where is the Dirctor of social services, is he not allowed to comment. As for BPJ making a statement dream on. Welshman23
  • Score: 4

6:11pm Sun 20 Jul 14

teifion says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Can someone explain why Jamie Adams has to make statements his track record on making statements is not great, where is the Dirctor of social services, is he not allowed to comment. As for BPJ making a statement dream on.
He's an idiot so ppl think its a c***-up rather than a conspiracy?

BPJ know's he'll come across as what he really is!
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain why Jamie Adams has to make statements his track record on making statements is not great, where is the Dirctor of social services, is he not allowed to comment. As for BPJ making a statement dream on.[/p][/quote]He's an idiot so ppl think its a c***-up rather than a conspiracy? BPJ know's he'll come across as what he really is! teifion
  • Score: 5

10:10pm Sun 20 Jul 14

stevedavis says...

Perhaps if you all spent more time at your desks working rather than gossiping efficiency savings could be made and the good people of Pembrokeshire would be better served.
Perhaps if you all spent more time at your desks working rather than gossiping efficiency savings could be made and the good people of Pembrokeshire would be better served. stevedavis
  • Score: -12

8:43am Mon 21 Jul 14

Sue T/K says...

steve davis - PCC youth service!? I hope not. I'll give you some credit for putting your name to a comment like this - hope you're thick skinned. 'Gossip' - no,no. Think before you hit the keys. Please don't listen to the real falsehoods being spread from on high (and from on low by those with a vested interest). Open your eyes; read everything; and then come back on here and tell me you still think it's all gossip. And, do you know what - you actually made me chuckle when I read your blog. Bleary eyed this morning, drinking a cup of coffee, I read the first line incorrectly and thought it was a reference to BPJ never being at his desk. It was only on a second reading that I realised it was a swipe at the rest of us!
steve davis - PCC youth service!? I hope not. I'll give you some credit for putting your name to a comment like this - hope you're thick skinned. 'Gossip' - no,no. Think before you hit the keys. Please don't listen to the real falsehoods being spread from on high (and from on low by those with a vested interest). Open your eyes; read everything; and then come back on here and tell me you still think it's all gossip. And, do you know what - you actually made me chuckle when I read your blog. Bleary eyed this morning, drinking a cup of coffee, I read the first line incorrectly and thought it was a reference to BPJ never being at his desk. It was only on a second reading that I realised it was a swipe at the rest of us! Sue T/K
  • Score: 3

9:21am Mon 21 Jul 14

teifion says...

stevedavis wrote:
Perhaps if you all spent more time at your desks working rather than gossiping efficiency savings could be made and the good people of Pembrokeshire would be better served.
so you think it's OK for child molestors get away with their actions for years and whistle blowers bullied out of their jobs ?

says a lot about your attitudes as does assuming that those who want honesty and decency within the Kremlin's walls are lazy so my question is -

IS THAT YOU BRYN?
[quote][p][bold]stevedavis[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if you all spent more time at your desks working rather than gossiping efficiency savings could be made and the good people of Pembrokeshire would be better served.[/p][/quote]so you think it's OK for child molestors get away with their actions for years and whistle blowers bullied out of their jobs ? says a lot about your attitudes as does assuming that those who want honesty and decency within the Kremlin's walls are lazy so my question is - IS THAT YOU BRYN? teifion
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6:18pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Welshman23 says...

stevedavis wrote:
Perhaps if you all spent more time at your desks working rather than gossiping efficiency savings could be made and the good people of Pembrokeshire would be better served.
If you have nothing constructive to say then shut up. You are like the people running the council out of touch with the real world.
[quote][p][bold]stevedavis[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if you all spent more time at your desks working rather than gossiping efficiency savings could be made and the good people of Pembrokeshire would be better served.[/p][/quote]If you have nothing constructive to say then shut up. You are like the people running the council out of touch with the real world. Welshman23
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