Councillor jumps ship from ruling group on Pembrokeshire County Council and attacks cabinet 'suit of armour' around chief executive

Stephen Joseph with his wife Naomi

Stephen Joseph with his wife Naomi

First published in News

A 'FAILURE to deal with severe criticism of under-fire chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones' has resulted in a Milford Haven councillor walking away from the ruling Independent Plus Group (IPG) on Pembrokeshire County Council.

Councillor Stephen Joseph says he will now “stand with anyone who wants to join me in making right decisions for the people of our wards and the people of Pembrokeshire”, after leaving the IPG.

Disenchanted with what he perceived as a focus on personal politics rather than improving lives in Pembrokeshire, as well as the group's continuing support for Mr Parry-Jones, Cllr Joseph decided the time was right for him to leave.

“I’ve been trying very hard to make the IPG realise that backing Bryn isn’t right, it isn’t what they should be doing. Nearly every ordinary councillor will admit that Bryn shouldn’t be there – but haven’t got the courage to do anything about it.

“The cabinet is like a suit of armour around him now and they won’t even admit there’s a problem,” said Cllr Joseph.

He has written to all councillors to explain his decision, including why he had in the past voted against discussing the controversial pension payments - following advice that employee rights would be affected - but now feels that if he does not take a stand against the current situation he is “by default” contributing to it.

“In private meetings I have spoken out quite loudly against Bryn. Why the group is protecting him I don’t know, but I just cannot be part of this any longer.

“Another employee would be on suspension, but there’s a police investigation and he isn’t suspended,” he added.

But it is not just the support of Mr Parry-Jones which has pushed Cllr Joseph to jump ship. He is also concerned about a focus on politics and not people which he believes is becoming the cultural norm at County Hall.

A focus on politics, he says, is one of the reasons he stepped down from the Plaid Cymru group under which he was elected and why he is loathed to join the separate group the Pembrokeshire Alliance.

Cllr Joseph says that he will represent Pembrokeshire First – people not politics – and if anyone wants to join him they are welcome.

He is also encouraging members of the public to let their councillor know their views on Mr Parry-Jones’ position in the hope it will force other members to take a stand.

In his letter to councillors he states: “The biggest issue is obviously Bryn as captain of the ship. But this is not just about him, it’s about the cabinet system and the culture that currently exists in the council – a culture of control and preserving peoples’ positions of power.

“I want to work for a change of culture. The long term goal is to see 60 councillors having equal say, in all the important issues facing Pembrokeshire.

“The current situation is rotten to the core.”

Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services.

“I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.”

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4:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Adams you area disgrace do us all a favour getoutof of local politics and go back to farming.
Mr Joseph I hope you stay longer in which ever party you join you seem to be a journeyman jumping from one camp to another.
Adams you area disgrace do us all a favour getoutof of local politics and go back to farming. Mr Joseph I hope you stay longer in which ever party you join you seem to be a journeyman jumping from one camp to another. Welshman23
  • Score: 30

4:11pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Are. You that blind to what is happening you and your £45k salary if you worked in the real world you would have been sacked a long time ago, for gross incompetence.

Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services.

“I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.”
Are. You that blind to what is happening you and your £45k salary if you worked in the real world you would have been sacked a long time ago, for gross incompetence. Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services. “I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.” Welshman23
  • Score: -1

4:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

You say headline writers you area fine one talking.
Expenses not claimed for 4 years.
Pension scandal
Grants Fiasco in Pembroke Dock
BJP pension and salary.
Mik Smith
Poor old Sue Thomas was sacked by PCC for being a whistleblower.
Audit Office investigation.
Police investigation on BJP
You and your IPPG make the headline show dare you suggest that we create the headlines.

Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services.

“I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.”
You say headline writers you area fine one talking. Expenses not claimed for 4 years. Pension scandal Grants Fiasco in Pembroke Dock BJP pension and salary. Mik Smith Poor old Sue Thomas was sacked by PCC for being a whistleblower. Audit Office investigation. Police investigation on BJP You and your IPPG make the headline show dare you suggest that we create the headlines. Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services. “I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.” Welshman23
  • Score: 26

6:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Gogledd says...

Not forgetting the Estyn Reports, the crumbling state of Haverfordwest Town Centre, the fiasco over laying all these pavements that you cant walk on in the wet....and it goes on and on.....
Not forgetting the Estyn Reports, the crumbling state of Haverfordwest Town Centre, the fiasco over laying all these pavements that you cant walk on in the wet....and it goes on and on..... Gogledd
  • Score: 15

8:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

I find it a bit rich of Jamie Adams to be accusing others of being petty when he frequently conducts himself in a such a schoolboy manner. His weekly attacks on other councillors amounts to nothing more than blatant playground bullying.

Jamie, we have listened to the unstoppable verbal diarrhoea that flows from your mouth on a weekly basis and the majority of Pembrokeshire people think even less of you than they do of Bryn, so do us all a massive favour and follow Bryn to the exit sign.

Over the next few weeks and months I think we will be seeing a lot more IPPG members jumping ship and trying ( if they can ) to salvage some of their reputations, but come election time there will be a lot of us reminding the people of Pembrokeshire of all those councillors that despite overwhelming opposition from the public, continued to support Bryn's interests rather than those of the people of Pembrokeshire.
I find it a bit rich of Jamie Adams to be accusing others of being petty when he frequently conducts himself in a such a schoolboy manner. His weekly attacks on other councillors amounts to nothing more than blatant playground bullying. Jamie, we have listened to the unstoppable verbal diarrhoea that flows from your mouth on a weekly basis and the majority of Pembrokeshire people think even less of you than they do of Bryn, so do us all a massive favour and follow Bryn to the exit sign. Over the next few weeks and months I think we will be seeing a lot more IPPG members jumping ship and trying ( if they can ) to salvage some of their reputations, but come election time there will be a lot of us reminding the people of Pembrokeshire of all those councillors that despite overwhelming opposition from the public, continued to support Bryn's interests rather than those of the people of Pembrokeshire. Bilbo101
  • Score: 35

8:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Griff1951 says...

I thought that it was Jamie Adams job to represent the wishes of the people of Pembrokeshire, surely even he must realise that if there was a referendum on the future of Parry Jones (sorry I can't bring myself to call him Bryn) that 99per cent of the people of this great county would vote for him to go tomorrow and never be allowed anywhere near the corridors of power ever again.Mr Adams needs to be very careful with his unbending support for Parry Jones as the general comments I am hearing on the streets are that to be that supportive he must also have lots to hide.
I thought that it was Jamie Adams job to represent the wishes of the people of Pembrokeshire, surely even he must realise that if there was a referendum on the future of Parry Jones (sorry I can't bring myself to call him Bryn) that 99per cent of the people of this great county would vote for him to go tomorrow and never be allowed anywhere near the corridors of power ever again.Mr Adams needs to be very careful with his unbending support for Parry Jones as the general comments I am hearing on the streets are that to be that supportive he must also have lots to hide. Griff1951
  • Score: 30

10:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Are. You that blind to what is happening you and your £45k salary if you worked in the real world you would have been sacked a long time ago, for gross incompetence.

Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services.

“I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.”
I hope I can get up to 30 people voting this down, then I will have the IPPG.
I am surprised that 5 people like Jamie Adams. I wonder who they are.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Are. You that blind to what is happening you and your £45k salary if you worked in the real world you would have been sacked a long time ago, for gross incompetence. Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services. “I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.”[/p][/quote]I hope I can get up to 30 people voting this down, then I will have the IPPG. I am surprised that 5 people like Jamie Adams. I wonder who they are. Welshman23
  • Score: 15

10:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Gogledd wrote:
Not forgetting the Estyn Reports, the crumbling state of Haverfordwest Town Centre, the fiasco over laying all these pavements that you cant walk on in the wet....and it goes on and on.....
Spit on Gogledd I knew you would come up trumps.
[quote][p][bold]Gogledd[/bold] wrote: Not forgetting the Estyn Reports, the crumbling state of Haverfordwest Town Centre, the fiasco over laying all these pavements that you cant walk on in the wet....and it goes on and on.....[/p][/quote]Spit on Gogledd I knew you would come up trumps. Welshman23
  • Score: 5

7:54am Wed 6 Aug 14

Flashbang says...

Opportunist politico, no principles except look after number 1. The electorate isn't stupid, they know you are only in it for the money and nothing to do with the "will of the people".
Opportunist politico, no principles except look after number 1. The electorate isn't stupid, they know you are only in it for the money and nothing to do with the "will of the people". Flashbang
  • Score: 15

8:01am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hyper-injunctions says...

This guy is unbelievable. Realised it was wrong just when people started talking about voting him out.
Also, when reading these stories I'm astounded at how many different 'groups' there are for such a small county. Pembs first, ipg, ipg+, peoples assembly, peoples front of judea, the judean peoples front, the popular front (splitters).
It makes them look like childish sheep.
This guy is unbelievable. Realised it was wrong just when people started talking about voting him out. Also, when reading these stories I'm astounded at how many different 'groups' there are for such a small county. Pembs first, ipg, ipg+, peoples assembly, peoples front of judea, the judean peoples front, the popular front (splitters). It makes them look like childish sheep. Hyper-injunctions
  • Score: 11

10:14am Wed 6 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

To Welshman
Don't forget two more down votes.

Mrs Jones has been handed the £45k and BPJ Junior has a £90k Porsche to get to work in
To Welshman Don't forget two more down votes. Mrs Jones has been handed the £45k and BPJ Junior has a £90k Porsche to get to work in Tttoommy
  • Score: 18

10:16am Wed 6 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Maybe off topic?

Don't forget BPJ was one of two ppl who got the illegal salary increase.

The other one's retired possibly with a final salary pension based on the wrong/illegal final pension figure - och aye :)

We should try and reduce HIS pension too
Maybe off topic? Don't forget BPJ was one of two ppl who got the illegal salary increase. The other one's retired possibly with a final salary pension based on the wrong/illegal final pension figure - och aye :) We should try and reduce HIS pension too Tttoommy
  • Score: 12

10:34am Wed 6 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Anyone NOT signed the petition against Bryn yet ? OR anyone fancy signing it again with another email address ? Send the link to all your friends, the more signatures we get the more notice that the Welsh Assembly will take, copy &paste the following link : https://you.38degree
s.org.uk/petitions/e
nd-corruption-in-pem
brokeshire-county-co
uncil
Anyone NOT signed the petition against Bryn yet ? OR anyone fancy signing it again with another email address ? Send the link to all your friends, the more signatures we get the more notice that the Welsh Assembly will take, copy &paste the following link : https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/e nd-corruption-in-pem brokeshire-county-co uncil Bilbo101
  • Score: 11

11:39am Wed 6 Aug 14

KeanJo says...

'Good and improving services' If Jamie thinks the services are good he must have very low standards. Improving - when you have hit rock bottom ,there is only one way to go.
'Good and improving services' If Jamie thinks the services are good he must have very low standards. Improving - when you have hit rock bottom ,there is only one way to go. KeanJo
  • Score: 16

12:07pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

KeanJo wrote:
'Good and improving services' If Jamie thinks the services are good he must have very low standards. Improving - when you have hit rock bottom ,there is only one way to go.
What amazes me is how Jamie Adams got nominated in the first place, let alone voted in as the leader of the IPP group, it is pretty obvious to all I think that it most certainly not on merit or ability which leads me to think it was another backdoor deal.

I am looking forward to watching the rats jumping the sinking ship, who will survive and make it to shore I wonder ? Will Adams be pushed or will he jump. Apparently, in private many of the IPPG members are embarrassed by Jamie's lack of ability and poor leadership and are looking to distance themselves from the dodgy dealings. There are already lots of whispers and the voices are getting louder and it looks pretty much like Adams will be departing along with Bryn.

Cllr Joseph excuses fool nobody and it is my view that he is most certainly not a man to be trusted, he is just another fully paid up member of the self-preservation society. If the other jumpers want to survive then they will have to come up with a more believable story. It will be an interesting few weeks and months ahead, I for one am looking forward to watching their demise :-)
[quote][p][bold]KeanJo[/bold] wrote: 'Good and improving services' If Jamie thinks the services are good he must have very low standards. Improving - when you have hit rock bottom ,there is only one way to go.[/p][/quote]What amazes me is how Jamie Adams got nominated in the first place, let alone voted in as the leader of the IPP group, it is pretty obvious to all I think that it most certainly not on merit or ability which leads me to think it was another backdoor deal. I am looking forward to watching the rats jumping the sinking ship, who will survive and make it to shore I wonder ? Will Adams be pushed or will he jump. Apparently, in private many of the IPPG members are embarrassed by Jamie's lack of ability and poor leadership and are looking to distance themselves from the dodgy dealings. There are already lots of whispers and the voices are getting louder and it looks pretty much like Adams will be departing along with Bryn. Cllr Joseph excuses fool nobody and it is my view that he is most certainly not a man to be trusted, he is just another fully paid up member of the self-preservation society. If the other jumpers want to survive then they will have to come up with a more believable story. It will be an interesting few weeks and months ahead, I for one am looking forward to watching their demise :-) Bilbo101
  • Score: 13

1:46pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Rockface says...

Go it alone Jo!
You were lured into the independent group from your public elected position for Plaid Cymru. You didn't like the smell and taste of the IPPG and now you you jump overboard to set up a one-man-band.
What is your politics Mr. Joseph?
Go it alone Jo! You were lured into the independent group from your public elected position for Plaid Cymru. You didn't like the smell and taste of the IPPG and now you you jump overboard to set up a one-man-band. What is your politics Mr. Joseph? Rockface
  • Score: 8

4:39pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Mr Joseph his protecting his future it's easier to campaign having opted out from the IPPG, although he stood for Plaid Cymru sadly this party is a powerless pup.
Now let's see Mr Joseph whip up the waves and get some more to join.
Only need another 4 to make life uncomfortable for Adams, George and the puppets of BPJ.
Mr Joseph you could still save your bacon.
Mr Joseph his protecting his future it's easier to campaign having opted out from the IPPG, although he stood for Plaid Cymru sadly this party is a powerless pup. Now let's see Mr Joseph whip up the waves and get some more to join. Only need another 4 to make life uncomfortable for Adams, George and the puppets of BPJ. Mr Joseph you could still save your bacon. Welshman23
  • Score: 6

5:04pm Wed 6 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.
jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk. seaveiw
  • Score: 12

5:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
KeanJo wrote:
'Good and improving services' If Jamie thinks the services are good he must have very low standards. Improving - when you have hit rock bottom ,there is only one way to go.
What amazes me is how Jamie Adams got nominated in the first place, let alone voted in as the leader of the IPP group, it is pretty obvious to all I think that it most certainly not on merit or ability which leads me to think it was another backdoor deal.

I am looking forward to watching the rats jumping the sinking ship, who will survive and make it to shore I wonder ? Will Adams be pushed or will he jump. Apparently, in private many of the IPPG members are embarrassed by Jamie's lack of ability and poor leadership and are looking to distance themselves from the dodgy dealings. There are already lots of whispers and the voices are getting louder and it looks pretty much like Adams will be departing along with Bryn.

Cllr Joseph excuses fool nobody and it is my view that he is most certainly not a man to be trusted, he is just another fully paid up member of the self-preservation society. If the other jumpers want to survive then they will have to come up with a more believable story. It will be an interesting few weeks and months ahead, I for one am looking forward to watching their demise :-)
thank goodness somone has started to leave the sinking ship,lets hope more will follow,
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KeanJo[/bold] wrote: 'Good and improving services' If Jamie thinks the services are good he must have very low standards. Improving - when you have hit rock bottom ,there is only one way to go.[/p][/quote]What amazes me is how Jamie Adams got nominated in the first place, let alone voted in as the leader of the IPP group, it is pretty obvious to all I think that it most certainly not on merit or ability which leads me to think it was another backdoor deal. I am looking forward to watching the rats jumping the sinking ship, who will survive and make it to shore I wonder ? Will Adams be pushed or will he jump. Apparently, in private many of the IPPG members are embarrassed by Jamie's lack of ability and poor leadership and are looking to distance themselves from the dodgy dealings. There are already lots of whispers and the voices are getting louder and it looks pretty much like Adams will be departing along with Bryn. Cllr Joseph excuses fool nobody and it is my view that he is most certainly not a man to be trusted, he is just another fully paid up member of the self-preservation society. If the other jumpers want to survive then they will have to come up with a more believable story. It will be an interesting few weeks and months ahead, I for one am looking forward to watching their demise :-)[/p][/quote]thank goodness somone has started to leave the sinking ship,lets hope more will follow, seaveiw
  • Score: 11

6:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

seaveiw wrote:
jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.
Town centres are dying, every single service you provide is getting worse, every service that you can charge for, you charge the highest fees, ppl who tell you about paedophilia get sacked , the list could be a LOT longer - come off it Jamie you're as bad as Bryn - you're just hanging on for your next pay slip, praying that that knock on the door is not the fuzz.
Look at Ceredigion - MUCH better in every respect and their Chief Exec gets half of what Bryn gets
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.[/p][/quote]Town centres are dying, every single service you provide is getting worse, every service that you can charge for, you charge the highest fees, ppl who tell you about paedophilia get sacked , the list could be a LOT longer - come off it Jamie you're as bad as Bryn - you're just hanging on for your next pay slip, praying that that knock on the door is not the fuzz. Look at Ceredigion - MUCH better in every respect and their Chief Exec gets half of what Bryn gets Tttoommy
  • Score: 11

9:49pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Paul Miller is organising a public meeting details below.

I've organised a public meeting at the Picton Centre, Haverfordwest on Tuesday 19th August (6pm) and I’m really hoping you will join me.
Paul Miller is organising a public meeting details below. I've organised a public meeting at the Picton Centre, Haverfordwest on Tuesday 19th August (6pm) and I’m really hoping you will join me. Welshman23
  • Score: 3

10:19pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

This is the letter Mr Joseph sent to the councillors, this was published in the Herald.

A LETTER TO ALL COUNCILLORS

The Herald can bring you the full text of a letter that Cllr. Joseph has sent to all councillors:

Dear Councillor,
Tonight I have decided that I cannot continue being a councillor in Pembrokeshire as long as the current culture exists. I cannot be a part of a regime that continues to support Bryn Parry Jones. He is the captain of our ship and after hitting so many ice bergs, there comes a time when the captain has to take responsibility for the series of mistakes.
On one hand we are told that we cannot discuss his pension openly because he is an employee with employee’s rights (which is why I voted as I did), yet on the other hand there is an investigation into him and yet he maintains his position. Any other employee would be suspended pending the outcome of the inquiry.
This is obviously a huge issue which needs to change but there is also a wider issue for me. The current culture is one of fear & frustration, people being bought with promises of positions and others opposing right decisions merely because of who proposes them or for individuals own political gain.
There should be a culture of doing what is right with integrity and moving forward. Given the budget cuts, we have huge issues to discuss and these are not being discussed because of the unhealthy situation we have in the chamber.
For as long as I’m not standing against the current situation, by default I am contributing to it, so I have to make a stand for what is right. I will be leaving the IPPG group this evening, not to join another political group but to stand with anyone who wants to join me in making right decisions for the people of our wards and the people of Pembrokeshire.
The ‘Pembrokeshire First’ party is not a political party. In my view, politics has no place in the council and I am not proposing myself as the ‘leader’ but merely facilitating change. A leader can be elected by those that come forward in the coming months. We should all be making decisions for the best for our wards and the county not for political reasons.
The biggest issue is obviously Bryn as captain of the ship but this is not just about him, it’s about the cabinet system and the culture that currently exists in the council – a culture of control and preserving peoples positions of power.
I want to work for a change of culture. The long term goal is to see 60 councillors having equal say, in all the important issues facing. I know it is a big task changing the system but unless someone takes a stand, it will never change. There are a lot of positives in PCC, which aren’t even acknowledged, let alone celebrated. The current situation is rotten to the core. I have tried my hardest to fight the status quo but to no avail. Socrates said “the secret of change is to focus all of your energy not on fighting the old, but on building the new.” So that’s what I intend to do. The people of Pembrokeshire are crying out for change, the morale amongst employees of PCC is rock bottom. It is time to draw a line in the sand.
If you want to make a stand too, no matter what your political allegiances are, then let me know. I firmly believe that each one of us became a councillor for the right reasons.
It is time again for all of us to do what is right.
Steve Joseph
This is the letter Mr Joseph sent to the councillors, this was published in the Herald. A LETTER TO ALL COUNCILLORS The Herald can bring you the full text of a letter that Cllr. Joseph has sent to all councillors: Dear Councillor, Tonight I have decided that I cannot continue being a councillor in Pembrokeshire as long as the current culture exists. I cannot be a part of a regime that continues to support Bryn Parry Jones. He is the captain of our ship and after hitting so many ice bergs, there comes a time when the captain has to take responsibility for the series of mistakes. On one hand we are told that we cannot discuss his pension openly because he is an employee with employee’s rights (which is why I voted as I did), yet on the other hand there is an investigation into him and yet he maintains his position. Any other employee would be suspended pending the outcome of the inquiry. This is obviously a huge issue which needs to change but there is also a wider issue for me. The current culture is one of fear & frustration, people being bought with promises of positions and others opposing right decisions merely because of who proposes them or for individuals own political gain. There should be a culture of doing what is right with integrity and moving forward. Given the budget cuts, we have huge issues to discuss and these are not being discussed because of the unhealthy situation we have in the chamber. For as long as I’m not standing against the current situation, by default I am contributing to it, so I have to make a stand for what is right. I will be leaving the IPPG group this evening, not to join another political group but to stand with anyone who wants to join me in making right decisions for the people of our wards and the people of Pembrokeshire. The ‘Pembrokeshire First’ party is not a political party. In my view, politics has no place in the council and I am not proposing myself as the ‘leader’ but merely facilitating change. A leader can be elected by those that come forward in the coming months. We should all be making decisions for the best for our wards and the county not for political reasons. The biggest issue is obviously Bryn as captain of the ship but this is not just about him, it’s about the cabinet system and the culture that currently exists in the council – a culture of control and preserving peoples positions of power. I want to work for a change of culture. The long term goal is to see 60 councillors having equal say, in all the important issues facing. I know it is a big task changing the system but unless someone takes a stand, it will never change. There are a lot of positives in PCC, which aren’t even acknowledged, let alone celebrated. The current situation is rotten to the core. I have tried my hardest to fight the status quo but to no avail. Socrates said “the secret of change is to focus all of your energy not on fighting the old, but on building the new.” So that’s what I intend to do. The people of Pembrokeshire are crying out for change, the morale amongst employees of PCC is rock bottom. It is time to draw a line in the sand. If you want to make a stand too, no matter what your political allegiances are, then let me know. I firmly believe that each one of us became a councillor for the right reasons. It is time again for all of us to do what is right. Steve Joseph Welshman23
  • Score: 4

11:17pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

If Cllr Joseph is genuine about his comments and views in his letter to the other PCC councillors then why has it taken him so long to make this decision ? And if he has felt this way for some time then why did he not support Cllrs Peter Stock, Bob Kilmister and Jonathan Nutting when they set up The Pembrokeshire Alliance Group, which was set up with the stated aim to ‘put the people of Pembrokeshire first’ ??? Sorry Mr Joseph but I simply don't believe your story, you have left it almost to the very last minute before you jumped the sinking ship and now you are asking everyone to trust you! Well Mr Joseph in order to get my vote you should have shown some integrity a long long time ago and I am afraid it is far too late in the game to be now claiming that you are one of the good guys.
If Cllr Joseph is genuine about his comments and views in his letter to the other PCC councillors then why has it taken him so long to make this decision ? And if he has felt this way for some time then why did he not support Cllrs Peter Stock, Bob Kilmister and Jonathan Nutting when they set up The Pembrokeshire Alliance Group, which was set up with the stated aim to ‘put the people of Pembrokeshire first’ ??? Sorry Mr Joseph but I simply don't believe your story, you have left it almost to the very last minute before you jumped the sinking ship and now you are asking everyone to trust you! Well Mr Joseph in order to get my vote you should have shown some integrity a long long time ago and I am afraid it is far too late in the game to be now claiming that you are one of the good guys. Bilbo101
  • Score: 10

9:07am Thu 7 Aug 14

mayday says...

seaveiw wrote:
jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.
According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers
alliance.com/thrl201
4.pdf
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.[/p][/quote]According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers alliance.com/thrl201 4.pdf mayday
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Thu 7 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

mayday wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.
According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers

alliance.com/thrl201

4.pdf
and neither should he this is one of the most sparsely populated areas in the uk, salary should be pro rata to population
[quote][p][bold]mayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.[/p][/quote]According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers alliance.com/thrl201 4.pdf[/p][/quote]and neither should he this is one of the most sparsely populated areas in the uk, salary should be pro rata to population seaveiw
  • Score: 8

1:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Welshman23 wrote:
This is the letter Mr Joseph sent to the councillors, this was published in the Herald.

A LETTER TO ALL COUNCILLORS

The Herald can bring you the full text of a letter that Cllr. Joseph has sent to all councillors:

Dear Councillor,
Tonight I have decided that I cannot continue being a councillor in Pembrokeshire as long as the current culture exists. I cannot be a part of a regime that continues to support Bryn Parry Jones. He is the captain of our ship and after hitting so many ice bergs, there comes a time when the captain has to take responsibility for the series of mistakes.
On one hand we are told that we cannot discuss his pension openly because he is an employee with employee’s rights (which is why I voted as I did), yet on the other hand there is an investigation into him and yet he maintains his position. Any other employee would be suspended pending the outcome of the inquiry.
This is obviously a huge issue which needs to change but there is also a wider issue for me. The current culture is one of fear & frustration, people being bought with promises of positions and others opposing right decisions merely because of who proposes them or for individuals own political gain.
There should be a culture of doing what is right with integrity and moving forward. Given the budget cuts, we have huge issues to discuss and these are not being discussed because of the unhealthy situation we have in the chamber.
For as long as I’m not standing against the current situation, by default I am contributing to it, so I have to make a stand for what is right. I will be leaving the IPPG group this evening, not to join another political group but to stand with anyone who wants to join me in making right decisions for the people of our wards and the people of Pembrokeshire.
The ‘Pembrokeshire First’ party is not a political party. In my view, politics has no place in the council and I am not proposing myself as the ‘leader’ but merely facilitating change. A leader can be elected by those that come forward in the coming months. We should all be making decisions for the best for our wards and the county not for political reasons.
The biggest issue is obviously Bryn as captain of the ship but this is not just about him, it’s about the cabinet system and the culture that currently exists in the council – a culture of control and preserving peoples positions of power.
I want to work for a change of culture. The long term goal is to see 60 councillors having equal say, in all the important issues facing. I know it is a big task changing the system but unless someone takes a stand, it will never change. There are a lot of positives in PCC, which aren’t even acknowledged, let alone celebrated. The current situation is rotten to the core. I have tried my hardest to fight the status quo but to no avail. Socrates said “the secret of change is to focus all of your energy not on fighting the old, but on building the new.” So that’s what I intend to do. The people of Pembrokeshire are crying out for change, the morale amongst employees of PCC is rock bottom. It is time to draw a line in the sand.
If you want to make a stand too, no matter what your political allegiances are, then let me know. I firmly believe that each one of us became a councillor for the right reasons.
It is time again for all of us to do what is right.
Steve Joseph
well presented reflects what we as the people of pembrokshire think,change the culture please all you councillors think carefully can you personally justify your silence and indecision.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: This is the letter Mr Joseph sent to the councillors, this was published in the Herald. A LETTER TO ALL COUNCILLORS The Herald can bring you the full text of a letter that Cllr. Joseph has sent to all councillors: Dear Councillor, Tonight I have decided that I cannot continue being a councillor in Pembrokeshire as long as the current culture exists. I cannot be a part of a regime that continues to support Bryn Parry Jones. He is the captain of our ship and after hitting so many ice bergs, there comes a time when the captain has to take responsibility for the series of mistakes. On one hand we are told that we cannot discuss his pension openly because he is an employee with employee’s rights (which is why I voted as I did), yet on the other hand there is an investigation into him and yet he maintains his position. Any other employee would be suspended pending the outcome of the inquiry. This is obviously a huge issue which needs to change but there is also a wider issue for me. The current culture is one of fear & frustration, people being bought with promises of positions and others opposing right decisions merely because of who proposes them or for individuals own political gain. There should be a culture of doing what is right with integrity and moving forward. Given the budget cuts, we have huge issues to discuss and these are not being discussed because of the unhealthy situation we have in the chamber. For as long as I’m not standing against the current situation, by default I am contributing to it, so I have to make a stand for what is right. I will be leaving the IPPG group this evening, not to join another political group but to stand with anyone who wants to join me in making right decisions for the people of our wards and the people of Pembrokeshire. The ‘Pembrokeshire First’ party is not a political party. In my view, politics has no place in the council and I am not proposing myself as the ‘leader’ but merely facilitating change. A leader can be elected by those that come forward in the coming months. We should all be making decisions for the best for our wards and the county not for political reasons. The biggest issue is obviously Bryn as captain of the ship but this is not just about him, it’s about the cabinet system and the culture that currently exists in the council – a culture of control and preserving peoples positions of power. I want to work for a change of culture. The long term goal is to see 60 councillors having equal say, in all the important issues facing. I know it is a big task changing the system but unless someone takes a stand, it will never change. There are a lot of positives in PCC, which aren’t even acknowledged, let alone celebrated. The current situation is rotten to the core. I have tried my hardest to fight the status quo but to no avail. Socrates said “the secret of change is to focus all of your energy not on fighting the old, but on building the new.” So that’s what I intend to do. The people of Pembrokeshire are crying out for change, the morale amongst employees of PCC is rock bottom. It is time to draw a line in the sand. If you want to make a stand too, no matter what your political allegiances are, then let me know. I firmly believe that each one of us became a councillor for the right reasons. It is time again for all of us to do what is right. Steve Joseph[/p][/quote]well presented reflects what we as the people of pembrokshire think,change the culture please all you councillors think carefully can you personally justify your silence and indecision. seaveiw
  • Score: 2

2:04pm Thu 7 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Hyper-injunctions wrote:
This guy is unbelievable. Realised it was wrong just when people started talking about voting him out.
Also, when reading these stories I'm astounded at how many different 'groups' there are for such a small county. Pembs first, ipg, ipg+, peoples assembly, peoples front of judea, the judean peoples front, the popular front (splitters).
It makes them look like childish sheep.
clear them all out and start from scratch
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: This guy is unbelievable. Realised it was wrong just when people started talking about voting him out. Also, when reading these stories I'm astounded at how many different 'groups' there are for such a small county. Pembs first, ipg, ipg+, peoples assembly, peoples front of judea, the judean peoples front, the popular front (splitters). It makes them look like childish sheep.[/p][/quote]clear them all out and start from scratch seaveiw
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Thu 7 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Welshman23 wrote:
You say headline writers you area fine one talking.
Expenses not claimed for 4 years.
Pension scandal
Grants Fiasco in Pembroke Dock
BJP pension and salary.
Mik Smith
Poor old Sue Thomas was sacked by PCC for being a whistleblower.
Audit Office investigation.
Police investigation on BJP
You and your IPPG make the headline show dare you suggest that we create the headlines.

Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services.

“I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.”
petty vendettas i think not they are genuine concerns being raised by the public but not being acted on by our representitive on thecouncil
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: You say headline writers you area fine one talking. Expenses not claimed for 4 years. Pension scandal Grants Fiasco in Pembroke Dock BJP pension and salary. Mik Smith Poor old Sue Thomas was sacked by PCC for being a whistleblower. Audit Office investigation. Police investigation on BJP You and your IPPG make the headline show dare you suggest that we create the headlines. Council leader Jamie Adams said: “Needless to say, I don’t accept the picture that Steve has sought to create in his letter to all Councillors. Pembrokeshire has good and improving services, the lowest Council Tax in Wales and, compared to others, low charges for many of its services. “I am thankful that the majority of my colleagues on the council have demonstrated their ability to rise above the petty vendettas pursued by some and maintain a focus on the long-term. I am also grateful to those members who have sought to engage in our attempts to improve personal relationships within the authority. Pembrokeshire’s future must come before any desire to satisfy the headline writers.”[/p][/quote]petty vendettas i think not they are genuine concerns being raised by the public but not being acted on by our representitive on thecouncil seaveiw
  • Score: 3

2:24pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

seaveiw wrote:
Hyper-injunctions wrote:
This guy is unbelievable. Realised it was wrong just when people started talking about voting him out.
Also, when reading these stories I'm astounded at how many different 'groups' there are for such a small county. Pembs first, ipg, ipg+, peoples assembly, peoples front of judea, the judean peoples front, the popular front (splitters).
It makes them look like childish sheep.
clear them all out and start from scratch
I understand your comments but "clear them all out and start from scratch" would be in my view a knee-jerk reaction, we just need to get rid of the bad apples. We should not tarnish all our councillors with the same brush as there are many very good councillors who I believe have our interests at heart but have been restricted, bullied and manipulated by the old boys club. In my view, we just need to get rid of those that have put their own interest before the people of Pembrokeshire.

As most people are aware there are many incidents, particularly over the last 12 months where we have been badly let down by many of our councillors, but the one incident in particular that really grinds on me is where they voted to increase the chairman's pay at a time when many PCC staff have been regraded down and others have either had their hours cut or have been made redundant. At a time when the council needs to make £20 Million of savings I find it completely disgraceful that they have not led by example and voted to reduce their own allowances and that of Bryn Parry-Jones. If the new chairman ( Tom Richards ) had any real integrity he should have refused the pay rise.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: This guy is unbelievable. Realised it was wrong just when people started talking about voting him out. Also, when reading these stories I'm astounded at how many different 'groups' there are for such a small county. Pembs first, ipg, ipg+, peoples assembly, peoples front of judea, the judean peoples front, the popular front (splitters). It makes them look like childish sheep.[/p][/quote]clear them all out and start from scratch[/p][/quote]I understand your comments but "clear them all out and start from scratch" would be in my view a knee-jerk reaction, we just need to get rid of the bad apples. We should not tarnish all our councillors with the same brush as there are many very good councillors who I believe have our interests at heart but have been restricted, bullied and manipulated by the old boys club. In my view, we just need to get rid of those that have put their own interest before the people of Pembrokeshire. As most people are aware there are many incidents, particularly over the last 12 months where we have been badly let down by many of our councillors, but the one incident in particular that really grinds on me is where they voted to increase the chairman's pay at a time when many PCC staff have been regraded down and others have either had their hours cut or have been made redundant. At a time when the council needs to make £20 Million of savings I find it completely disgraceful that they have not led by example and voted to reduce their own allowances and that of Bryn Parry-Jones. If the new chairman ( Tom Richards ) had any real integrity he should have refused the pay rise. Bilbo101
  • Score: 6

3:55pm Thu 7 Aug 14

KeanJo says...

seaveiw wrote:
mayday wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.
According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers


alliance.com/thrl201


4.pdf
and neither should he this is one of the most sparsely populated areas in the uk, salary should be pro rata to population
Sea view, out of well over 100 Authorities in Wales & England only 22have populations less than Pembrokeshire .On that basis he should be paid just over half his present salary, and he certainly should not get £25000 a year car allowance. When he took up this post he was was happy to accept just over £60,000 a year. How and why it has risen to its present heights in 20 years is a mystery to all but a few.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.[/p][/quote]According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers alliance.com/thrl201 4.pdf[/p][/quote]and neither should he this is one of the most sparsely populated areas in the uk, salary should be pro rata to population[/p][/quote]Sea view, out of well over 100 Authorities in Wales & England only 22have populations less than Pembrokeshire .On that basis he should be paid just over half his present salary, and he certainly should not get £25000 a year car allowance. When he took up this post he was was happy to accept just over £60,000 a year. How and why it has risen to its present heights in 20 years is a mystery to all but a few. KeanJo
  • Score: 9

9:19am Fri 8 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
Hyper-injunctions wrote:
This guy is unbelievable. Realised it was wrong just when people started talking about voting him out.
Also, when reading these stories I'm astounded at how many different 'groups' there are for such a small county. Pembs first, ipg, ipg+, peoples assembly, peoples front of judea, the judean peoples front, the popular front (splitters).
It makes them look like childish sheep.
clear them all out and start from scratch
I understand your comments but "clear them all out and start from scratch" would be in my view a knee-jerk reaction, we just need to get rid of the bad apples. We should not tarnish all our councillors with the same brush as there are many very good councillors who I believe have our interests at heart but have been restricted, bullied and manipulated by the old boys club. In my view, we just need to get rid of those that have put their own interest before the people of Pembrokeshire.

As most people are aware there are many incidents, particularly over the last 12 months where we have been badly let down by many of our councillors, but the one incident in particular that really grinds on me is where they voted to increase the chairman's pay at a time when many PCC staff have been regraded down and others have either had their hours cut or have been made redundant. At a time when the council needs to make £20 Million of savings I find it completely disgraceful that they have not led by example and voted to reduce their own allowances and that of Bryn Parry-Jones. If the new chairman ( Tom Richards ) had any real integrity he should have refused the pay rise.
Pigs at the trough will always be pigs at the trough.

Must say It comes across that they think their salaries are an investment so more and more "investment" is good for Pembrokeshire whilst the actual workers, the ppl tasked to help and improve the lives of us here in Pembrokeshire are just an unecessary expense
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: This guy is unbelievable. Realised it was wrong just when people started talking about voting him out. Also, when reading these stories I'm astounded at how many different 'groups' there are for such a small county. Pembs first, ipg, ipg+, peoples assembly, peoples front of judea, the judean peoples front, the popular front (splitters). It makes them look like childish sheep.[/p][/quote]clear them all out and start from scratch[/p][/quote]I understand your comments but "clear them all out and start from scratch" would be in my view a knee-jerk reaction, we just need to get rid of the bad apples. We should not tarnish all our councillors with the same brush as there are many very good councillors who I believe have our interests at heart but have been restricted, bullied and manipulated by the old boys club. In my view, we just need to get rid of those that have put their own interest before the people of Pembrokeshire. As most people are aware there are many incidents, particularly over the last 12 months where we have been badly let down by many of our councillors, but the one incident in particular that really grinds on me is where they voted to increase the chairman's pay at a time when many PCC staff have been regraded down and others have either had their hours cut or have been made redundant. At a time when the council needs to make £20 Million of savings I find it completely disgraceful that they have not led by example and voted to reduce their own allowances and that of Bryn Parry-Jones. If the new chairman ( Tom Richards ) had any real integrity he should have refused the pay rise.[/p][/quote]Pigs at the trough will always be pigs at the trough. Must say It comes across that they think their salaries are an investment so more and more "investment" is good for Pembrokeshire whilst the actual workers, the ppl tasked to help and improve the lives of us here in Pembrokeshire are just an unecessary expense Tttoommy
  • Score: 4

9:51am Fri 8 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

KeanJo wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
mayday wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.
According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers



alliance.com/thrl201



4.pdf
and neither should he this is one of the most sparsely populated areas in the uk, salary should be pro rata to population
Sea view, out of well over 100 Authorities in Wales & England only 22have populations less than Pembrokeshire .On that basis he should be paid just over half his present salary, and he certainly should not get £25000 a year car allowance. When he took up this post he was was happy to accept just over £60,000 a year. How and why it has risen to its present heights in 20 years is a mystery to all but a few.
the answer is greed and corruption from his supporters, he gets a pay rise all his supporters get a pay rise. they have not taken into account a decline in the economy, whilst pembrokeshire people are generally suffering with a wage freeze they are giving themselves rises way above inflatio. the N.H.S.has given mediocre rises to staff and in some cases frozen pay rises so how come this corrupt lot manage to feather their nests more, the answer central administration which at least has open debates. I REST MY CASE
[quote][p][bold]KeanJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.[/p][/quote]According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers alliance.com/thrl201 4.pdf[/p][/quote]and neither should he this is one of the most sparsely populated areas in the uk, salary should be pro rata to population[/p][/quote]Sea view, out of well over 100 Authorities in Wales & England only 22have populations less than Pembrokeshire .On that basis he should be paid just over half his present salary, and he certainly should not get £25000 a year car allowance. When he took up this post he was was happy to accept just over £60,000 a year. How and why it has risen to its present heights in 20 years is a mystery to all but a few.[/p][/quote]the answer is greed and corruption from his supporters, he gets a pay rise all his supporters get a pay rise. they have not taken into account a decline in the economy, whilst pembrokeshire people are generally suffering with a wage freeze they are giving themselves rises way above inflatio. the N.H.S.has given mediocre rises to staff and in some cases frozen pay rises so how come this corrupt lot manage to feather their nests more, the answer central administration which at least has open debates. I REST MY CASE seaveiw
  • Score: 4

4:58pm Sat 9 Aug 14

pembs resident says...

I imagine a few more will follow suit shortly before the next election in the hope that we will all forget about their track records! How many more parties will this man join just to keep his paycheck?
I imagine a few more will follow suit shortly before the next election in the hope that we will all forget about their track records! How many more parties will this man join just to keep his paycheck? pembs resident
  • Score: 5

9:37am Sun 10 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

The revelations on Jacob Williams' website with regard to the Audit Committee Chairman's resignation lay bare the ethos and culture of the Leadership of this disgusting Council, by both senior officers and senior councillors.

How much longer are they going to try and convince us that things are improving? Does the Leader, and the IPG supporters, really believe their own propaganda?
The revelations on Jacob Williams' website with regard to the Audit Committee Chairman's resignation lay bare the ethos and culture of the Leadership of this disgusting Council, by both senior officers and senior councillors. How much longer are they going to try and convince us that things are improving? Does the Leader, and the IPG supporters, really believe their own propaganda? Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 4

10:18am Sun 10 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

KeanJo wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
mayday wrote:
seaveiw wrote:
jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.
According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers



alliance.com/thrl201



4.pdf
and neither should he this is one of the most sparsely populated areas in the uk, salary should be pro rata to population
Sea view, out of well over 100 Authorities in Wales & England only 22have populations less than Pembrokeshire .On that basis he should be paid just over half his present salary, and he certainly should not get £25000 a year car allowance. When he took up this post he was was happy to accept just over £60,000 a year. How and why it has risen to its present heights in 20 years is a mystery to all but a few.
not a mystery to me all carried on behind closed doors,
[quote][p][bold]KeanJo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: jamie we do have the lowest council tax in wales, but also have the highest paid chief executive in wales and probably the uk.[/p][/quote]According to this years Town Hall Rich List our CEO doesn't even make the UK top 20. http://www.taxpayers alliance.com/thrl201 4.pdf[/p][/quote]and neither should he this is one of the most sparsely populated areas in the uk, salary should be pro rata to population[/p][/quote]Sea view, out of well over 100 Authorities in Wales & England only 22have populations less than Pembrokeshire .On that basis he should be paid just over half his present salary, and he certainly should not get £25000 a year car allowance. When he took up this post he was was happy to accept just over £60,000 a year. How and why it has risen to its present heights in 20 years is a mystery to all but a few.[/p][/quote]not a mystery to me all carried on behind closed doors, seaveiw
  • Score: 4

10:25am Sun 10 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Indeview J Hudson wrote:
The revelations on Jacob Williams' website with regard to the Audit Committee Chairman's resignation lay bare the ethos and culture of the Leadership of this disgusting Council, by both senior officers and senior councillors.

How much longer are they going to try and convince us that things are improving? Does the Leader, and the IPG supporters, really believe their own propaganda?
correspondence that i have had both with Sennedd and Westminister representitives infur that they cannot intervene with Pembrokeshire Council until the Auditor General makes a move to them. Why is he not he doing so, to me the whole situation reflects that which occured in Angelsey when they were taken over.
[quote][p][bold]Indeview J Hudson[/bold] wrote: The revelations on Jacob Williams' website with regard to the Audit Committee Chairman's resignation lay bare the ethos and culture of the Leadership of this disgusting Council, by both senior officers and senior councillors. How much longer are they going to try and convince us that things are improving? Does the Leader, and the IPG supporters, really believe their own propaganda?[/p][/quote]correspondence that i have had both with Sennedd and Westminister representitives infur that they cannot intervene with Pembrokeshire Council until the Auditor General makes a move to them. Why is he not he doing so, to me the whole situation reflects that which occured in Angelsey when they were taken over. seaveiw
  • Score: 5

11:18am Sun 10 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Some years ago the Council was involved in a Judicial Review in to its setting of residential Care home fees. One Judicial Finding was that the Council could not provide evidence for its decision making. Subsequently, independent investigation found the members were not properly informed in order that they could reach reasonable decisions in the light of all relevant considerations.

Faced with these strong guides, what steps did the professional officers of the Council, CEO, Monitoring Officer, Chief financial officer and the Head of legal services take to advise the Council as to how such critical defects might be rectified? Apparently None.

The previous Leader was forced to establish a fundamental review of the Council's Constitution, to be carried out by the Corporate Governance Committee. This review was safely side lined into a non public Working Group Task force of that august committee, advised by officers. Notwithstanding publication of a new revised Model Constitution, which could be adapted for use by this Council, nothing has emerged.

Perhaps the Council's Leadership is of the opinion, or has been advised and believes, that improvements are being made, although the Leader has recently indicated that he is now of the opinion that attention to process does have some value.

I wonder if the Leader was present at the important CEO's Private meeting with the invited guests where the threat of an investigation by a hired private investigator was made? Perhaps The Leader was unaware that such a meeting was to take place.

At the last Council meeting, I believe such an investigation was handed over to the Monitoring Officer. Has he hired anyone to carry out this investigation at our expense? IPG members were quick to support an investigation.
Some years ago the Council was involved in a Judicial Review in to its setting of residential Care home fees. One Judicial Finding was that the Council could not provide evidence for its decision making. Subsequently, independent investigation found the members were not properly informed in order that they could reach reasonable decisions in the light of all relevant considerations. Faced with these strong guides, what steps did the professional officers of the Council, CEO, Monitoring Officer, Chief financial officer and the Head of legal services take to advise the Council as to how such critical defects might be rectified? Apparently None. The previous Leader was forced to establish a fundamental review of the Council's Constitution, to be carried out by the Corporate Governance Committee. This review was safely side lined into a non public Working Group Task force of that august committee, advised by officers. Notwithstanding publication of a new revised Model Constitution, which could be adapted for use by this Council, nothing has emerged. Perhaps the Council's Leadership is of the opinion, or has been advised and believes, that improvements are being made, although the Leader has recently indicated that he is now of the opinion that attention to process does have some value. I wonder if the Leader was present at the important CEO's Private meeting with the invited guests where the threat of an investigation by a hired private investigator was made? Perhaps The Leader was unaware that such a meeting was to take place. At the last Council meeting, I believe such an investigation was handed over to the Monitoring Officer. Has he hired anyone to carry out this investigation at our expense? IPG members were quick to support an investigation. Indeview J Hudson
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7:56pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Bluestone says...

Oh dear!
Oh dear! Bluestone
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12:14pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Seaview, in an earlier post you mention that the Welsh Government could not/would not intervene until The Auditor had recommended such a course of action, presumably after an investigation.

Were you advised as to the authority The Auditor has to undertake such an investigation? Can we demand that he does so under a specific public right?

It is patently obvious that the Council's political "Leadership" sees no need for this or is even willing to "put things right".
Seaview, in an earlier post you mention that the Welsh Government could not/would not intervene until The Auditor had recommended such a course of action, presumably after an investigation. Were you advised as to the authority The Auditor has to undertake such an investigation? Can we demand that he does so under a specific public right? It is patently obvious that the Council's political "Leadership" sees no need for this or is even willing to "put things right". Indeview J Hudson
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11:56am Tue 12 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

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Help end the corruption in PCC by signing the petition and sending it to all your friends. 2507 Pembrokeshire people have so far signed, lets get it past the 3000 mark, Facebook and Twitter the link to all your family and friends : https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/e nd-corruption-in-pem brokeshire-county-co uncil Bilbo101
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