Police passed evidence over use of locked rooms to hold Pembrokeshire pupils

Further evidence over the controversial use of rooms which can be locked to hold pupils in Pembrokeshire schools has been passed to the police.

There have been at least five rooms in schools across Pembrokeshire in which pupils have been locked, startling new evidence has shown.

And assurances by Pembrokeshire County Council over the use of 'time-out' rooms have been labelled 'manifestly unreliable' by ministers.

Back in February, using the Freedom of Information Act, the Western Telegraph exclusively revealed further details about the controversial use of a padded, lockable 'time-out' room at the Neyland Pupil Referral Unit.

Concerns about the facility had first been revealed in a damning report by the Care and Social Services Inspectorate Wales and Estyn report in 2011.

In a statement at the time, the council told the Western Telegraph that no other school in the county had a similarly used facility but the Pembrokeshire Ministerial Board (PMB), has since found that Pembroke Dock School did have such a padded room.

The letter to council leader Jamie Adams from Education Minister Leighton Andrews and Deputy Minister for Children and Social Services Gwenda Thomas clearly states: "The PMB has discovered a very similar padded room at a primary school in Pembroke Dock. Furthermore this school had two other windowless rooms in which, according to records kept by the school in relation to the use of these rooms, children were routinely locked."

The letter said the new headteacher of the school had since discontinued the practice but "faced considerable opposition doing so."

It adds: "In the PMB's view, the existence and use of these rooms would have remained undisclosed but for the PMB's visit to the school."

It goes on to say: "We have since heard that there are, or have been, at least five rooms in which children were locked in the county and there may be several more. We understand that there is no evidence of records kept in relation to the use of these five rooms."

The PMB said that in late May it came to the board's attention that a further 18 rooms across the county were being used for 'time out' purposes and: "It would appear that the authority has only recently become aware of the existence of these further rooms as a result of the audit carried out as a direct consequence of the PMB's discovery of the additional rooms at Pembroke Dock School."

The letter says that the council's education service did not disclose the existence of the additional rooms to the PMB when they became known. The PMB was only informed by the council's head of children's services.

"It would appear that the head of children's services had not previously known of their existence, which is indicative of the PMB's view that the authority's education and social services departments work in 'silos' and there is disconnection between them at both strategic and operational level.

"The incident is also indicative of the authority's failure to inform and consult with the PMB appropriately."

The PMB said that, for the avoidance of doubt, 'time-out' rooms may be appropriate for children with certain behavioural problems but "it is not, however, appropriate for children to be locked in such a room, other than in the most exceptional circumstances for brief periods and under supervision."

The PMB said: "It is never appropriate for such rooms to be used or constructed for the purposes of detention or punishment.

"Use of such rooms must always be recorded. Since such practices may also constitute criminal offences, the evidence we have seen has been passed to the police."

Comments(12)

hayleyswood says...
4:28pm Tue 12 Jun 12

In the initial investigation of the use of the 'Padded Cell' at the PRU it was said by the Council that 'this was used for 6 weeks'. In fact another room was used prior to this for years!

jexi1110 says...
6:25pm Tue 12 Jun 12

Why was my comment deleted? Ask anyone who attended Pembroke School a decade ago and they will confirm there was a room called 'Remove' where kids were sent to.

Hyper-injunctions says...
6:40pm Tue 12 Jun 12

jexi it was deleted probably cos you put the geezers name in it. Put the same comment and just say 'the headteacher'.

paellataffy says...
11:01am Wed 13 Jun 12

This is a shocking story, but what is even more shocking is the fact that teachers have to waste so much time on discipline issues, rather than teaching.

Tttoommy says...
9:40am Thu 14 Jun 12

As much as I loathe politicians I do feel sorry for Mr dale having to deal with "cover ups" (as the BBC calls it) within Pembrokeshire county Councils area of authority whilst the previous council leader wants to be in control of the police

willi.1 says...
8:40pm Thu 14 Jun 12

its so sad when the fanatastic work by dedicated people can be undone by bitter ex employees who themselves have never seen the rooms in question and have 'unsavoury' living habits,, hardly reliable witnesses.

Tttoommy says...
1:54pm Fri 15 Jun 12

willi.1 wrote:
its so sad when the fanatastic work by dedicated people can be undone by bitter ex employees who themselves have never seen the rooms in question and have 'unsavoury' living habits,, hardly reliable witnesses.
I agree that a lot of great people are doing a difficult job with care and commitment BUT If something goes wrong and the Council do nothing then its not the whistle blower is to blame - he's just lifted that rock and look at all the council officials scarper.
actually I don't understand your unsavourt habits, could you explain or post a link? thanks

manofourtimes says...
5:48pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Having worked with challenging, troubled children,I feel safe in saying that the majority of people don't realise how difficult the job is. Some of these kids are ultra violent, disruptive and have low self worth. They have no boundaries at home, inadequate parenting and no empathy with others. Some of the children at these sites are the most challenging in Pembrokeshire, that's why they are there. They also feed of each other, over sympathetic do good ears who believe hugs and teddy bears can change them into model citizens.
If you don't work at the coal face then sympathise with those that do. Workers in this sector are in trying conditions for little pay and do it with the hope of improving the pupils lives and to help them have a better future.

Rockface says...
6:49pm Sun 17 Jun 12

willi.1 wrote:
its so sad when the fanatastic work by dedicated people can be undone by bitter ex employees who themselves have never seen the rooms in question and have 'unsavoury' living habits,, hardly reliable witnesses.
Willi.1 It is so sad when the fantastic work by dedicated people is disrupted by someone who was brave to say 'no more'..! You can't honestly say that staff there enjoyed locking these youngsters in a room? One thing you should think about, is, the person who authorised the use of this room and directed the staff to force children in there, against their will, did not think of safeguarding the staff at the time.
The issues that have arisen over the last few months is that the Council did not follow procedures correctly and if they had done so, then perhaps you wouldn't be feeling so bitter yourself. The comment you make disturbs me "bitter ex employees who themselves have never seen the rooms" - it is not for the person who refers child protection issues to investigate, it is their job to pass on the information. Then you went on to say "have 'unsavoury' living habits, hardly reliable witnesses" is equally as disturbing and shocking, particularly with regard to the dark shadow over the whistle blowing policy within the local authority. It seems the bitterness lies with you!

welshmum says...
5:34pm Mon 18 Jun 12

manofourtimes wrote:
Having worked with challenging, troubled children,I feel safe in saying that the majority of people don't realise how difficult the job is. Some of these kids are ultra violent, disruptive and have low self worth. They have no boundaries at home, inadequate parenting and no empathy with others. Some of the children at these sites are the most challenging in Pembrokeshire, that's why they are there. They also feed of each other, over sympathetic do good ears who believe hugs and teddy bears can change them into model citizens.
If you don't work at the coal face then sympathise with those that do. Workers in this sector are in trying conditions for little pay and do it with the hope of improving the pupils lives and to help them have a better future.
i find your comment quite narrow minded tbh, an since when did we go back in time 200 years...i know all to well whats its like im a full time career of a child who is like what you described my own son, who has a medical condition i also have other children who in no way behave like my son, you wouldnt put them in the same family, however these children need compasion, understanding & patience, the services in this county right across the board is disgusting from medical to education via childcare, i sit on these multi agency meetings quite often, an i know how my child behaves an i certainly dont like or engourage it however the handling and management of these child could be dealt with be a lot better, by the sounds of it you were in the wrong job maybe you should be a prison officer instead

Rockface says...
9:08pm Mon 18 Jun 12

welshmum wrote:
manofourtimes wrote:
Having worked with challenging, troubled children,I feel safe in saying that the majority of people don't realise how difficult the job is. Some of these kids are ultra violent, disruptive and have low self worth. They have no boundaries at home, inadequate parenting and no empathy with others. Some of the children at these sites are the most challenging in Pembrokeshire, that's why they are there. They also feed of each other, over sympathetic do good ears who believe hugs and teddy bears can change them into model citizens.
If you don't work at the coal face then sympathise with those that do. Workers in this sector are in trying conditions for little pay and do it with the hope of improving the pupils lives and to help them have a better future.
i find your comment quite narrow minded tbh, an since when did we go back in time 200 years...i know all to well whats its like im a full time career of a child who is like what you described my own son, who has a medical condition i also have other children who in no way behave like my son, you wouldnt put them in the same family, however these children need compasion, understanding & patience, the services in this county right across the board is disgusting from medical to education via childcare, i sit on these multi agency meetings quite often, an i know how my child behaves an i certainly dont like or engourage it however the handling and management of these child could be dealt with be a lot better, by the sounds of it you were in the wrong job maybe you should be a prison officer instead
Welshmum - I absolutely agree with you and you must really feel insulted with how 'manofourtimes' has tried to shift the blame for this professional inadequacy on behalf of those who are responsible for the inclusive safeguarding of children onto the children themselves through inaccurate and misguided stereotyping. We know better and should expect better from our appointed professionals to act appropriately and fairly in nurturing all our children.

welshmum says...
8:50am Tue 19 Jun 12

im not into all the politics and red tape my lifes far to busy to trail through paper work & their mindless poilices, i dont watch the news nor do i read papers, hence why im late commenting, everyone who is on stupidly high wage in county hall should take a pay cut, put that money into the counties failed childrens services including our medical provisions and education, sack an put new people into place, start afresh. it shouldnt have to become a crisis before things are done, what happened to prevention is better then cure,

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