Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines'

First published in News

Milford Haven 'would more than welcome' nuclear-armed Trident submarines, First Minister Carwyn Jones has claimed.

During First Minister's Questions on Tuesday Mr Jones was asked about potential investment in Welsh ports.

Mr Jones responded by saying that he had noticed that the Scottish Government no longer wished to have the UK's nuclear deterrent housed at the Faslane naval base on the River Clyde.

He added: "There will be more than a welcome for that fleet and those jobs in Milford Haven."

The issue of where the Trident fleet would be based should Scotland become independent is one of the main issues being discussed in the run-up to the independence vote in 2014.

Milford Haven has previously been looked at as a potential base but it is widely believed that the large industrial developments around the haven would rule out the move.

The haven is already home to two oil refineries, two LNG facilities, a large tank storage site and a power station due to come online shortly.

Plaid Cymru AM Simon Thomas whose region includes Milford Haven said Mr Jones "clearly has no grasp on reality if he believes that the people of Wales want nuclear weapons stored in Milford Haven".

He added: "Pembrokeshire would lose far more jobs than would be created because of the risks involved of having nuclear submarines. There are a number of oil refineries in the area which would have to be scaled down. What would the impact be on tourism if nuclear warheads were mixing with the seals of Pembrokeshire?"

Mr Thomas pointed out that Milford Haven had been considered for the Polaris submarines in 1963 and had been rejected even then because of its energy developments.

Earlier this year a Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) report also ruled out Milford Haven as a potential base for the Trident fleet because of the industrial sites based around the waterway.

What are your thoughts? Should Milford Haven be considered as a base for the UK's nuclear deterrent? Leave your comments below.

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12:38pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Tina2 says...

Providing the berth at Pembroke Dock.
Providing the berth at Pembroke Dock. Tina2
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12:40pm Wed 20 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

They have already turned the beautiful Haven into a potential Hell, with this revelation, its sounds like Carwyn would welcome the devil for a price.
They have already turned the beautiful Haven into a potential Hell, with this revelation, its sounds like Carwyn would welcome the devil for a price. conspiracy
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12:53pm Wed 20 Jun 12

keithg1605 says...

If Carwyn wants nuclear subs in wales why dont he base them in Cardiff Bay ?
If Carwyn wants nuclear subs in wales why dont he base them in Cardiff Bay ? keithg1605
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12:59pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Mrs A says...

Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines'

- Er no we wouldn't!!!
Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines' - Er no we wouldn't!!! Mrs A
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2:30pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Tina2 says...

When he says coming to Milford Haven does he actually mean Milford or hasn't a berth been chosen. We use to have a naval dockyard in P Dock.
When he says coming to Milford Haven does he actually mean Milford or hasn't a berth been chosen. We use to have a naval dockyard in P Dock. Tina2
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3:09pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Nobodyknows123 says...

I'm sure I'm not the only one who would sign a petition against this... And I definitely dont want tk be forced to move, because I 100% wouldnt feel safe living near Milford. I already feel awkward that theres so much danger if anything were to happen with the Refineries /power station. Milford haven has been left to rot already. Lets not kill whats left
I'm sure I'm not the only one who would sign a petition against this... And I definitely dont want tk be forced to move, because I 100% wouldnt feel safe living near Milford. I already feel awkward that theres so much danger if anything were to happen with the Refineries /power station. Milford haven has been left to rot already. Lets not kill whats left Nobodyknows123
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4:07pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Lindzo says...

'Plaid Cymru AM Simon Thomas whose region includes Milford Haven said Mr Jones "clearly has no grasp on reality if he believes that the people of Wales want nuclear weapons stored in Milford Haven".' AMEN TO THAT.
'Plaid Cymru AM Simon Thomas whose region includes Milford Haven said Mr Jones "clearly has no grasp on reality if he believes that the people of Wales want nuclear weapons stored in Milford Haven".' AMEN TO THAT. Lindzo
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7:05pm Wed 20 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

Well with both refineries facing an uncertain future perhaps this is an employment opportunity for our young people. There is so much ignorance attached to the nuclear industry, perhaps we should ask the locals around Faslane what problems they have had?
Well with both refineries facing an uncertain future perhaps this is an employment opportunity for our young people. There is so much ignorance attached to the nuclear industry, perhaps we should ask the locals around Faslane what problems they have had? grumpyowldwoman
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7:55pm Wed 20 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese.

"Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere.

The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"
A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese. "Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere. The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free" conspiracy
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8:28pm Wed 20 Jun 12

quentin says...

Cardiff Bay is the best site. Then maybe any problem would get rid of an Assembly Pembrokeshire did'nt want in the first place.
Cardiff Bay is the best site. Then maybe any problem would get rid of an Assembly Pembrokeshire did'nt want in the first place. quentin
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11:15pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Local & Proud says...

grumpyowldwoman wrote:
Well with both refineries facing an uncertain future perhaps this is an employment opportunity for our young people. There is so much ignorance attached to the nuclear industry, perhaps we should ask the locals around Faslane what problems they have had?
Thank goodness someone with a common sense approach !!
thanks Grumpyowldwoman
[quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: Well with both refineries facing an uncertain future perhaps this is an employment opportunity for our young people. There is so much ignorance attached to the nuclear industry, perhaps we should ask the locals around Faslane what problems they have had?[/p][/quote]Thank goodness someone with a common sense approach !! thanks Grumpyowldwoman Local & Proud
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12:09am Thu 21 Jun 12

pembrokeboyyo says...

To think years ago whilst I was in the Royal Navy and visiting Pembrokeshire carrying out radio active checks at certain bases, Dyef as it was then declared itself to be nuclear free - how little did they know!!!
To think years ago whilst I was in the Royal Navy and visiting Pembrokeshire carrying out radio active checks at certain bases, Dyef as it was then declared itself to be nuclear free - how little did they know!!! pembrokeboyyo
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10:27am Thu 21 Jun 12

Local & Proud says...

Mrs A wrote:
Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines' - Er no we wouldn't!!!
Yes we would !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mrs A[/bold] wrote: Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines' - Er no we wouldn't!!![/p][/quote]Yes we would !!!! Local & Proud
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11:20am Thu 21 Jun 12

PDBlue says...

I think this would be a fantastic opportuntiy for Pembs, Lets be realistic, The Haven was a Military installation long before energy! The Mine Depot will never ever be anything!!! to expensive for any private owner to convert due to asbestos, its already got the same tunnels as Scotland? The Refineries are at massive risk of closure, Murco empolyee's haven't a clue whats happening, Valero are owned by a cost cutting company and Hundreds of jobs are at risk due to streamlining. It it was up to Friends of the Earth, Safe Haven and CND, there will be nothing but the odd old person and disabled chariots. Pembrokeshire will fall more and more the stairway to heaven, with no young people and moaning old people!
I think this would be a fantastic opportuntiy for Pembs, Lets be realistic, The Haven was a Military installation long before energy! The Mine Depot will never ever be anything!!! to expensive for any private owner to convert due to asbestos, its already got the same tunnels as Scotland? The Refineries are at massive risk of closure, Murco empolyee's haven't a clue whats happening, Valero are owned by a cost cutting company and Hundreds of jobs are at risk due to streamlining. It it was up to Friends of the Earth, Safe Haven and CND, there will be nothing but the odd old person and disabled chariots. Pembrokeshire will fall more and more the stairway to heaven, with no young people and moaning old people! PDBlue
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12:00pm Thu 21 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

I see from many of the comments, quite a few of the Western Telegraph Pundits, are suffering from the "Homer Simpson Syndrome"
(complacency to Nuclear pollution/accidents)
.

Doh!
I see from many of the comments, quite a few of the Western Telegraph Pundits, are suffering from the "Homer Simpson Syndrome" (complacency to Nuclear pollution/accidents) . Doh! conspiracy
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12:37pm Thu 21 Jun 12

billbob says...

we have nuclear power stations in britain dont we? if one of those decided to blow, does it matter if we are in nuclear free wales? the fallout would affect us all, so having nuclear subs in the haven is no great concern, i look forward to seeing them arrive
we have nuclear power stations in britain dont we? if one of those decided to blow, does it matter if we are in nuclear free wales? the fallout would affect us all, so having nuclear subs in the haven is no great concern, i look forward to seeing them arrive billbob
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12:47pm Thu 21 Jun 12

PDBlue says...

conspiracy wrote:
I see from many of the comments, quite a few of the Western Telegraph Pundits, are suffering from the "Homer Simpson Syndrome"
(complacency to Nuclear pollution/accidents)

.

Doh!
Perhaps you should ask yourself, a Submarine Base or Nuclear Power Station? Pembs is going to be getting one of them, i know which one i'd rather.
It would be interesting, perhaps there should be a Vote by the very people it would involve. Then have it broken down into age groups, It would be obvious that the young would welcome it, the older generation would not want it.
But then lets be realistic, its not going to happen is it! Scotland can bleat all they want, when it comes down to it, they wont let it go, but personally, i would like to see it come down, seeing as the Dockyard was stripped for the ships and jobs up to the very place the Subs are in now!
[quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: I see from many of the comments, quite a few of the Western Telegraph Pundits, are suffering from the "Homer Simpson Syndrome" (complacency to Nuclear pollution/accidents) . Doh![/p][/quote]Perhaps you should ask yourself, a Submarine Base or Nuclear Power Station? Pembs is going to be getting one of them, i know which one i'd rather. It would be interesting, perhaps there should be a Vote by the very people it would involve. Then have it broken down into age groups, It would be obvious that the young would welcome it, the older generation would not want it. But then lets be realistic, its not going to happen is it! Scotland can bleat all they want, when it comes down to it, they wont let it go, but personally, i would like to see it come down, seeing as the Dockyard was stripped for the ships and jobs up to the very place the Subs are in now! PDBlue
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1:00pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Bead says...

I'd rather have the submarines than the refineries and LNG any day of the week.
I'd rather have the submarines than the refineries and LNG any day of the week. Bead
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1:14pm Thu 21 Jun 12

Local & Proud says...

PDBlue wrote:
I think this would be a fantastic opportuntiy for Pembs, Lets be realistic, The Haven was a Military installation long before energy! The Mine Depot will never ever be anything!!! to expensive for any private owner to convert due to asbestos, its already got the same tunnels as Scotland? The Refineries are at massive risk of closure, Murco empolyee's haven't a clue whats happening, Valero are owned by a cost cutting company and Hundreds of jobs are at risk due to streamlining. It it was up to Friends of the Earth, Safe Haven and CND, there will be nothing but the odd old person and disabled chariots. Pembrokeshire will fall more and more the stairway to heaven, with no young people and moaning old people!
Hear,Hear, another common sense approach, I am so glad that there are people like you out there, if it was up to the nimby's we would all be picking spuds and signing on !!!!
[quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: I think this would be a fantastic opportuntiy for Pembs, Lets be realistic, The Haven was a Military installation long before energy! The Mine Depot will never ever be anything!!! to expensive for any private owner to convert due to asbestos, its already got the same tunnels as Scotland? The Refineries are at massive risk of closure, Murco empolyee's haven't a clue whats happening, Valero are owned by a cost cutting company and Hundreds of jobs are at risk due to streamlining. It it was up to Friends of the Earth, Safe Haven and CND, there will be nothing but the odd old person and disabled chariots. Pembrokeshire will fall more and more the stairway to heaven, with no young people and moaning old people![/p][/quote]Hear,Hear, another common sense approach, I am so glad that there are people like you out there, if it was up to the nimby's we would all be picking spuds and signing on !!!! Local & Proud
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2:44pm Thu 21 Jun 12

jexi1110 says...

Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway.

Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway.

A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.
Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway. Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway. A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur. jexi1110
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3:00pm Thu 21 Jun 12

PDBlue says...

jexi1110 wrote:
Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway.

Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway.

A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.
Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?
[quote][p][bold]jexi1110[/bold] wrote: Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway. Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway. A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.[/p][/quote]Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining? PDBlue
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3:05pm Thu 21 Jun 12

taffytubby says...

And when they start finding highly toxic radioactive particles on the beaches will you want to walk your dog along Gellyswick or take your kids to play on Milford Beach? Get real, dirty weapons are for dirty wars. Milford Haven is a place of natural beauty, we should be exploiting that rather than trashing it further with more hazardous industry. And on the point of jobs- fat lot of good the oil/gas industry is for Milford these days, the place is more and more depressing every week Charles St. is a disgrace. I can see the tourist brochures now " Come to Milford, but don't go near the beaches and stay away from the restricted areas and you can see the National Park between the smoke stacks and the submarine docks". Carwyn says it's good? Then Carwyn can have the bloody things.
And when they start finding highly toxic radioactive particles on the beaches will you want to walk your dog along Gellyswick or take your kids to play on Milford Beach? Get real, dirty weapons are for dirty wars. Milford Haven is a place of natural beauty, we should be exploiting that rather than trashing it further with more hazardous industry. And on the point of jobs- fat lot of good the oil/gas industry is for Milford these days, the place is more and more depressing every week Charles St. is a disgrace. I can see the tourist brochures now " Come to Milford, but don't go near the beaches and stay away from the restricted areas and you can see the National Park between the smoke stacks and the submarine docks". Carwyn says it's good? Then Carwyn can have the bloody things. taffytubby
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4:14pm Thu 21 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

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8:17pm Thu 21 Jun 12

pembsgtr says...

Don't want this , don't want that, what do people want in this county? To see it end up as the biggest geriatric retirement zone in the UK? In all honesty do you really see a Vanguard submarine sailing through St Ann's Head and heading to a base that would have to be a brand new build, there is nowhere suitable on the Haven that is ready to use. Just take a look at HM Naval Base Clyde where the "bombers" are currently homed.
Taffytubby, have you been to Gareloch or Devonport recently and seen the radioactive waste on the foreshore? Oh no that is the Black sea and the old russian submarine bases. As for nuclear power bring it on, I for one want to be able to keep my beer cool, wash my clothes and dishes using modern appliances that are powered by the stuff that comes out of those power stations already.
Don't want this , don't want that, what do people want in this county? To see it end up as the biggest geriatric retirement zone in the UK? In all honesty do you really see a Vanguard submarine sailing through St Ann's Head and heading to a base that would have to be a brand new build, there is nowhere suitable on the Haven that is ready to use. Just take a look at HM Naval Base Clyde where the "bombers" are currently homed. Taffytubby, have you been to Gareloch or Devonport recently and seen the radioactive waste on the foreshore? Oh no that is the Black sea and the old russian submarine bases. As for nuclear power bring it on, I for one want to be able to keep my beer cool, wash my clothes and dishes using modern appliances that are powered by the stuff that comes out of those power stations already. pembsgtr
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8:41pm Thu 21 Jun 12

William 1 says...

Maybe the local fishermen "would more than welcome" the prospect of better fishing in the Haven. Apparently the recycled cooling water pumped back through the new LNG power station will increase the localised sea water by at least 6 degrees Celsius, coupled with a good dose of radioactivity this may result in super specimen fish! Mind you they would probably look very odd with two heads and numerous eyes etc though!! Maybe when Carwyn Jones pays a future visit to the Haven he can have one cooked up at one of the local chippies!!!
Maybe the local fishermen "would more than welcome" the prospect of better fishing in the Haven. Apparently the recycled cooling water pumped back through the new LNG power station will increase the localised sea water by at least 6 degrees Celsius, coupled with a good dose of radioactivity this may result in super specimen fish! Mind you they would probably look very odd with two heads and numerous eyes etc though!! Maybe when Carwyn Jones pays a future visit to the Haven he can have one cooked up at one of the local chippies!!! William 1
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10:03pm Thu 21 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

Local & Proud wrote:
grumpyowldwoman wrote:
Well with both refineries facing an uncertain future perhaps this is an employment opportunity for our young people. There is so much ignorance attached to the nuclear industry, perhaps we should ask the locals around Faslane what problems they have had?
Thank goodness someone with a common sense approach !!
thanks Grumpyowldwoman
TY, lets dispell the ignorance and get the facts, most of Pembrokeshire already running around like headless chickens.
[quote][p][bold]Local & Proud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: Well with both refineries facing an uncertain future perhaps this is an employment opportunity for our young people. There is so much ignorance attached to the nuclear industry, perhaps we should ask the locals around Faslane what problems they have had?[/p][/quote]Thank goodness someone with a common sense approach !! thanks Grumpyowldwoman[/p][/quote]TY, lets dispell the ignorance and get the facts, most of Pembrokeshire already running around like headless chickens. grumpyowldwoman
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10:10pm Thu 21 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

conspiracy wrote:
A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese.

"Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere.

The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"
Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it?
And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford!
[quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese. "Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere. The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"[/p][/quote]Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it? And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford! grumpyowldwoman
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10:12pm Thu 21 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

PDBlue wrote:
I think this would be a fantastic opportuntiy for Pembs, Lets be realistic, The Haven was a Military installation long before energy! The Mine Depot will never ever be anything!!! to expensive for any private owner to convert due to asbestos, its already got the same tunnels as Scotland? The Refineries are at massive risk of closure, Murco empolyee's haven't a clue whats happening, Valero are owned by a cost cutting company and Hundreds of jobs are at risk due to streamlining. It it was up to Friends of the Earth, Safe Haven and CND, there will be nothing but the odd old person and disabled chariots. Pembrokeshire will fall more and more the stairway to heaven, with no young people and moaning old people!
Yes yes yes! Well said!
[quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: I think this would be a fantastic opportuntiy for Pembs, Lets be realistic, The Haven was a Military installation long before energy! The Mine Depot will never ever be anything!!! to expensive for any private owner to convert due to asbestos, its already got the same tunnels as Scotland? The Refineries are at massive risk of closure, Murco empolyee's haven't a clue whats happening, Valero are owned by a cost cutting company and Hundreds of jobs are at risk due to streamlining. It it was up to Friends of the Earth, Safe Haven and CND, there will be nothing but the odd old person and disabled chariots. Pembrokeshire will fall more and more the stairway to heaven, with no young people and moaning old people![/p][/quote]Yes yes yes! Well said! grumpyowldwoman
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10:16pm Thu 21 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

PDBlue wrote:
jexi1110 wrote:
Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway.

Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway.

A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.
Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?
Lol!
[quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jexi1110[/bold] wrote: Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway. Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway. A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.[/p][/quote]Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?[/p][/quote]Lol! grumpyowldwoman
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10:22pm Thu 21 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

taffytubby wrote:
And when they start finding highly toxic radioactive particles on the beaches will you want to walk your dog along Gellyswick or take your kids to play on Milford Beach? Get real, dirty weapons are for dirty wars. Milford Haven is a place of natural beauty, we should be exploiting that rather than trashing it further with more hazardous industry. And on the point of jobs- fat lot of good the oil/gas industry is for Milford these days, the place is more and more depressing every week Charles St. is a disgrace. I can see the tourist brochures now " Come to Milford, but don't go near the beaches and stay away from the restricted areas and you can see the National Park between the smoke stacks and the submarine docks". Carwyn says it's good? Then Carwyn can have the bloody things.
So what' highly toxic radioactive particles' are you expecting to find on the beaches, and where will they come from? It might be wiser to learn about nuclear submarines/nuclear energy/radioactivity and then rethink the 'highly toxic radioactive particles'?
[quote][p][bold]taffytubby[/bold] wrote: And when they start finding highly toxic radioactive particles on the beaches will you want to walk your dog along Gellyswick or take your kids to play on Milford Beach? Get real, dirty weapons are for dirty wars. Milford Haven is a place of natural beauty, we should be exploiting that rather than trashing it further with more hazardous industry. And on the point of jobs- fat lot of good the oil/gas industry is for Milford these days, the place is more and more depressing every week Charles St. is a disgrace. I can see the tourist brochures now " Come to Milford, but don't go near the beaches and stay away from the restricted areas and you can see the National Park between the smoke stacks and the submarine docks". Carwyn says it's good? Then Carwyn can have the bloody things.[/p][/quote]So what' highly toxic radioactive particles' are you expecting to find on the beaches, and where will they come from? It might be wiser to learn about nuclear submarines/nuclear energy/radioactivity and then rethink the 'highly toxic radioactive particles'? grumpyowldwoman
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10:23pm Thu 21 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

Local & Proud wrote:
Mrs A wrote:
Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines' - Er no we wouldn't!!!
Yes we would !!!!
Yes we would!
[quote][p][bold]Local & Proud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs A[/bold] wrote: Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines' - Er no we wouldn't!!![/p][/quote]Yes we would !!!![/p][/quote]Yes we would! grumpyowldwoman
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11:48pm Thu 21 Jun 12

PDBlue says...

And anyway, we can argue amoungst ourselves until we're Blue in the face, lets be honest, if there was any money to gain out of it, and funding given to to the community, Jamie Adams, would build a Submarine Dock outside the Fishguard Arms in Haverfordwest, as thats the Pembrokeshire Hub where all the Car Park Charge money goes lol.
And anyway, we can argue amoungst ourselves until we're Blue in the face, lets be honest, if there was any money to gain out of it, and funding given to to the community, Jamie Adams, would build a Submarine Dock outside the Fishguard Arms in Haverfordwest, as thats the Pembrokeshire Hub where all the Car Park Charge money goes lol. PDBlue
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8:57am Fri 22 Jun 12

billbob says...

what another glorious day for the tourists to go to the beach and look for 'highly toxic radioactive particles' in the sand
what another glorious day for the tourists to go to the beach and look for 'highly toxic radioactive particles' in the sand billbob
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9:50am Fri 22 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

I do not believe Nuclear subs will be housed or be bobbing up and down the Haven in the near future. Nuclear power in its present form is a health hazard to the Planet. In the last 50 odd years,there has been countless accidents where radioactive material has been released into the environment. If this was not bad enough, most of the incidents were under reported and even covered up. Globally millions have died or are terminally sick, as a direct result from Nuclear Power. Proliferation of Nuclear Power in its present state will probably be the end of us.

There will be no need for jobs then. Unemployment a thing of the past.

Thank you Nuclear Power. : )
I do not believe Nuclear subs will be housed or be bobbing up and down the Haven in the near future. Nuclear power in its present form is a health hazard to the Planet. In the last 50 odd years,there has been countless accidents where radioactive material has been released into the environment. If this was not bad enough, most of the incidents were under reported and even covered up. Globally millions have died or are terminally sick, as a direct result from Nuclear Power. Proliferation of Nuclear Power in its present state will probably be the end of us. There will be no need for jobs then. Unemployment a thing of the past. Thank you Nuclear Power. : ) conspiracy
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10:19am Fri 22 Jun 12

jexi1110 says...

Nuclear subs themselves are not dangerous. They cannot be accidentally launched by someone pressing a big red button. Nor can they accidentally explode.

To launch a nuclear weapon, you need the top secret launch codes. Plus there are ultra-stringent checks, complex ignition systems etc. etc.

If you're worried about being vaporised by a huge, devastating explosion - then move away from the refineries. They're far more likely to obliterate you.
Nuclear subs themselves are not dangerous. They cannot be accidentally launched by someone pressing a big red button. Nor can they accidentally explode. To launch a nuclear weapon, you need the top secret launch codes. Plus there are ultra-stringent checks, complex ignition systems etc. etc. If you're worried about being vaporised by a huge, devastating explosion - then move away from the refineries. They're far more likely to obliterate you. jexi1110
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10:47am Fri 22 Jun 12

Bead says...

jexi1110 wrote:
Nuclear subs themselves are not dangerous. They cannot be accidentally launched by someone pressing a big red button. Nor can they accidentally explode. To launch a nuclear weapon, you need the top secret launch codes. Plus there are ultra-stringent checks, complex ignition systems etc. etc. If you're worried about being vaporised by a huge, devastating explosion - then move away from the refineries. They're far more likely to obliterate you.
Absolutely right, Jexi.
[quote][p][bold]jexi1110[/bold] wrote: Nuclear subs themselves are not dangerous. They cannot be accidentally launched by someone pressing a big red button. Nor can they accidentally explode. To launch a nuclear weapon, you need the top secret launch codes. Plus there are ultra-stringent checks, complex ignition systems etc. etc. If you're worried about being vaporised by a huge, devastating explosion - then move away from the refineries. They're far more likely to obliterate you.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right, Jexi. Bead
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2:06pm Fri 22 Jun 12

TenbyBoy says...

Yawn Yawn Yawn - usual scaremongers and conspiracy theorists commenting on something they know nothing about as usual it seems!

Fact is as one comment above said, there'd be more chance on LNG being attacked by terrorists than a Nuclear Sub exploding or 'leaking' Nuclear contaminents into Pembrokeshire's waters.

In fact, the Haven would be an altogether safer place due to the extra security that a Nuclear Base would bring.

On to of that, think of all the extra tourists that would come to the County just for a glimpse of a Vanguard Submarine!

I for one, along with everyone I have spoken to are more than happy with the idea.

One last thing - the Haven has already been surveyed by the MOD as a possible base. I have it on extremely good grounds that the place is perfect.
Yawn Yawn Yawn - usual scaremongers and conspiracy theorists commenting on something they know nothing about as usual it seems! Fact is as one comment above said, there'd be more chance on LNG being attacked by terrorists than a Nuclear Sub exploding or 'leaking' Nuclear contaminents into Pembrokeshire's waters. In fact, the Haven would be an altogether safer place due to the extra security that a Nuclear Base would bring. On to of that, think of all the extra tourists that would come to the County just for a glimpse of a Vanguard Submarine! I for one, along with everyone I have spoken to are more than happy with the idea. One last thing - the Haven has already been surveyed by the MOD as a possible base. I have it on extremely good grounds that the place is perfect. TenbyBoy
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2:39pm Fri 22 Jun 12

taffytubby says...

To Grumpyopldwoman- I think I know considerably more about particle/nuclear physics than you do. There is an inherent risk of particles with long half-lives and high toxicity being released into the local environment when there are nuclear powered craft being serviced in the harbour. You can be belligerent and stroppy, but you still have to be correct. No nuclear submarines, no nuclear hazard. This is a beautiful region, we can maintain its beauty and encourage others to enjoy it thus bringing wealth to the county without jeopardising the environment or the wellbeing of the local community. Don't believe me? Read here: http://www.dailyreco
rd.co.uk/news/politi
cs-news/2009/04/28/f
ury-over-radioactive
-leaks-at-faslane-nu
clear-submarine-base
-86908-21315133/
To Grumpyopldwoman- I think I know considerably more about particle/nuclear physics than you do. There is an inherent risk of particles with long half-lives and high toxicity being released into the local environment when there are nuclear powered craft being serviced in the harbour. You can be belligerent and stroppy, but you still have to be correct. No nuclear submarines, no nuclear hazard. This is a beautiful region, we can maintain its beauty and encourage others to enjoy it thus bringing wealth to the county without jeopardising the environment or the wellbeing of the local community. Don't believe me? Read here: http://www.dailyreco rd.co.uk/news/politi cs-news/2009/04/28/f ury-over-radioactive -leaks-at-faslane-nu clear-submarine-base -86908-21315133/ taffytubby
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3:08pm Fri 22 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

D'OH!

Radioactive waste leaks from Faslane nuclear submarine base
Britain's nuclear submarine base at Faslane has had so many safety breaches - including leaks of radioactive material - that they have become a "recurring theme", according to a confidential government report. 27/02/2009
D'OH! Radioactive waste leaks from Faslane nuclear submarine base Britain's nuclear submarine base at Faslane has had so many safety breaches - including leaks of radioactive material - that they have become a "recurring theme", according to a confidential government report. 27/02/2009 conspiracy
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4:13pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Hyper-injunctions says...

C'mon, if there was a nuclear leak and it turned the residents of milford into hideous mutants, who'd really notice?
C'mon, if there was a nuclear leak and it turned the residents of milford into hideous mutants, who'd really notice? Hyper-injunctions
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4:31pm Fri 22 Jun 12

chappette says...

Oh yes we would! People obviously walked down Charles Street and seen the closed businesses covered in pictures of Milford Haven in it heyday which I find absurdly ironic. Having the nuclear submariens here may secure the futures of our children and our children's children
Oh yes we would! People obviously walked down Charles Street and seen the closed businesses covered in pictures of Milford Haven in it heyday which I find absurdly ironic. Having the nuclear submariens here may secure the futures of our children and our children's children chappette
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6:24pm Fri 22 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

conspiracy wrote:
I do not believe Nuclear subs will be housed or be bobbing up and down the Haven in the near future. Nuclear power in its present form is a health hazard to the Planet. In the last 50 odd years,there has been countless accidents where radioactive material has been released into the environment. If this was not bad enough, most of the incidents were under reported and even covered up. Globally millions have died or are terminally sick, as a direct result from Nuclear Power. Proliferation of Nuclear Power in its present state will probably be the end of us.

There will be no need for jobs then. Unemployment a thing of the past.

Thank you Nuclear Power. : )
Ooo I love a good conspiracy theory 'conspiracy'! How about the the moon landing, or not, Elvis, dead or down the chip shop,
Princess Di, accident or contract killing.....Millions dead or terminally sick because of nuclear power..... come on conspiracy, WHERE'S YOUR PROOF?
[quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: I do not believe Nuclear subs will be housed or be bobbing up and down the Haven in the near future. Nuclear power in its present form is a health hazard to the Planet. In the last 50 odd years,there has been countless accidents where radioactive material has been released into the environment. If this was not bad enough, most of the incidents were under reported and even covered up. Globally millions have died or are terminally sick, as a direct result from Nuclear Power. Proliferation of Nuclear Power in its present state will probably be the end of us. There will be no need for jobs then. Unemployment a thing of the past. Thank you Nuclear Power. : )[/p][/quote]Ooo I love a good conspiracy theory 'conspiracy'! How about the the moon landing, or not, Elvis, dead or down the chip shop, Princess Di, accident or contract killing.....Millions dead or terminally sick because of nuclear power..... come on conspiracy, WHERE'S YOUR PROOF? grumpyowldwoman
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7:19pm Fri 22 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

grumpyowldwoman wrote:
conspiracy wrote:
I do not believe Nuclear subs will be housed or be bobbing up and down the Haven in the near future. Nuclear power in its present form is a health hazard to the Planet. In the last 50 odd years,there has been countless accidents where radioactive material has been released into the environment. If this was not bad enough, most of the incidents were under reported and even covered up. Globally millions have died or are terminally sick, as a direct result from Nuclear Power. Proliferation of Nuclear Power in its present state will probably be the end of us.

There will be no need for jobs then. Unemployment a thing of the past.

Thank you Nuclear Power. : )
Ooo I love a good conspiracy theory 'conspiracy'! How about the the moon landing, or not, Elvis, dead or down the chip shop,
Princess Di, accident or contract killing.....Millions dead or terminally sick because of nuclear power..... come on conspiracy, WHERE'S YOUR PROOF?
Here's another Conspiracy theorist for you.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?feature=pla
yer_embedded&v=E_ofR
NQ2gX0#!
[quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: I do not believe Nuclear subs will be housed or be bobbing up and down the Haven in the near future. Nuclear power in its present form is a health hazard to the Planet. In the last 50 odd years,there has been countless accidents where radioactive material has been released into the environment. If this was not bad enough, most of the incidents were under reported and even covered up. Globally millions have died or are terminally sick, as a direct result from Nuclear Power. Proliferation of Nuclear Power in its present state will probably be the end of us. There will be no need for jobs then. Unemployment a thing of the past. Thank you Nuclear Power. : )[/p][/quote]Ooo I love a good conspiracy theory 'conspiracy'! How about the the moon landing, or not, Elvis, dead or down the chip shop, Princess Di, accident or contract killing.....Millions dead or terminally sick because of nuclear power..... come on conspiracy, WHERE'S YOUR PROOF?[/p][/quote]Here's another Conspiracy theorist for you. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_embedded&v=E_ofR NQ2gX0#! conspiracy
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7:34pm Fri 22 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

taffytubby wrote:
To Grumpyopldwoman- I think I know considerably more about particle/nuclear physics than you do. There is an inherent risk of particles with long half-lives and high toxicity being released into the local environment when there are nuclear powered craft being serviced in the harbour. You can be belligerent and stroppy, but you still have to be correct. No nuclear submarines, no nuclear hazard. This is a beautiful region, we can maintain its beauty and encourage others to enjoy it thus bringing wealth to the county without jeopardising the environment or the wellbeing of the local community. Don't believe me? Read here: http://www.dailyreco

rd.co.uk/news/politi

cs-news/2009/04/28/f

ury-over-radioactive

-leaks-at-faslane-nu

clear-submarine-base

-86908-21315133/
Actually I have a related degree in, and work with ionising radiation for some considerable years....and I am still here and healthy hmmmm. That article you link to is a low quality poor utility badly written article with no credible references.....try again!
Not being belligerent or stroppy, just amused at the uninformed headless poultry posting on here.
[quote][p][bold]taffytubby[/bold] wrote: To Grumpyopldwoman- I think I know considerably more about particle/nuclear physics than you do. There is an inherent risk of particles with long half-lives and high toxicity being released into the local environment when there are nuclear powered craft being serviced in the harbour. You can be belligerent and stroppy, but you still have to be correct. No nuclear submarines, no nuclear hazard. This is a beautiful region, we can maintain its beauty and encourage others to enjoy it thus bringing wealth to the county without jeopardising the environment or the wellbeing of the local community. Don't believe me? Read here: http://www.dailyreco rd.co.uk/news/politi cs-news/2009/04/28/f ury-over-radioactive -leaks-at-faslane-nu clear-submarine-base -86908-21315133/[/p][/quote]Actually I have a related degree in, and work with ionising radiation for some considerable years....and I am still here and healthy hmmmm. That article you link to is a low quality poor utility badly written article with no credible references.....try again! Not being belligerent or stroppy, just amused at the uninformed headless poultry posting on here. grumpyowldwoman
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7:35pm Fri 22 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

chappette wrote:
Oh yes we would! People obviously walked down Charles Street and seen the closed businesses covered in pictures of Milford Haven in it heyday which I find absurdly ironic. Having the nuclear submariens here may secure the futures of our children and our children's children
Absolutely, well said.
[quote][p][bold]chappette[/bold] wrote: Oh yes we would! People obviously walked down Charles Street and seen the closed businesses covered in pictures of Milford Haven in it heyday which I find absurdly ironic. Having the nuclear submariens here may secure the futures of our children and our children's children[/p][/quote]Absolutely, well said. grumpyowldwoman
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9:35pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Local & Proud says...

Hyper-injunctions wrote:
C'mon, if there was a nuclear leak and it turned the residents of milford into hideous mutants, who'd really notice?
Ha,Ha,Ha, that is so funny and so true !!!
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: C'mon, if there was a nuclear leak and it turned the residents of milford into hideous mutants, who'd really notice?[/p][/quote]Ha,Ha,Ha, that is so funny and so true !!! Local & Proud
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1:53pm Sat 23 Jun 12

pembsgtr says...

"The Daily Record" now if there is a Scottish newspaper ever to believe that is not the one.
"The Daily Record" now if there is a Scottish newspaper ever to believe that is not the one. pembsgtr
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3:23pm Sat 23 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

pembsgtr wrote:
"The Daily Record" now if there is a Scottish newspaper ever to believe that is not the one.
Indeed hardly an authority on this subject!
[quote][p][bold]pembsgtr[/bold] wrote: "The Daily Record" now if there is a Scottish newspaper ever to believe that is not the one.[/p][/quote]Indeed hardly an authority on this subject! grumpyowldwoman
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10:02am Sun 24 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

An anti nuclear weapons in Wales petition to the Welsh Assembly.
Anyone against Nuclear Weapons on Welsh soil, copy and paste the link below into your browser and sign the petition. : )

https://www.assembly
wales.org/gethome/e-
petitions/epetition-
list-of-signatories.
htm?pet_id=764&showf
rm=1#SignPetition
An anti nuclear weapons in Wales petition to the Welsh Assembly. Anyone against Nuclear Weapons on Welsh soil, copy and paste the link below into your browser and sign the petition. : ) https://www.assembly wales.org/gethome/e- petitions/epetition- list-of-signatories. htm?pet_id=764&showf rm=1#SignPetition conspiracy
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1:40am Mon 25 Jun 12

PDBlue says...

Ummm, No!
Ummm, No! PDBlue
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6:14am Mon 25 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

Ummm, NO!
Ummm, NO! grumpyowldwoman
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6:42am Mon 25 Jun 12

coronobog says...

Local & Proud wrote:
Mrs A wrote:
Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines' - Er no we wouldn't!!!
Yes we would !!!!
Err no we wouldnt.
Nice of mr Jones to tell Milford what they want without asking us first.
[quote][p][bold]Local & Proud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs A[/bold] wrote: Milford Haven 'would welcome nuclear submarines' - Er no we wouldn't!!![/p][/quote]Yes we would !!!![/p][/quote]Err no we wouldnt. Nice of mr Jones to tell Milford what they want without asking us first. coronobog
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6:55am Mon 25 Jun 12

coronobog says...

Local & Proud wrote:
grumpyowldwoman wrote:
Well with both refineries facing an uncertain future perhaps this is an employment opportunity for our young people. There is so much ignorance attached to the nuclear industry, perhaps we should ask the locals around Faslane what problems they have had?
Thank goodness someone with a common sense approach !!
thanks Grumpyowldwoman
So tell me this, what exactly is sensiable about nuclear weapons? Do you like the fact that they are designed to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people? Maybe you should take a holiday in chernobyl if you like fall out so much.
A hand ful of jobs which will come from outside of pembrokeshire for a nuclear accident does not sound sensible to me.
I wounder if the sea empress had a cargo of plutonium and you was ordered to leave your house and live in a school hall somewhere in carmarthenshire for years you would still agree to nuclear. Yes nuclear subs do have accidents.
[quote][p][bold]Local & Proud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: Well with both refineries facing an uncertain future perhaps this is an employment opportunity for our young people. There is so much ignorance attached to the nuclear industry, perhaps we should ask the locals around Faslane what problems they have had?[/p][/quote]Thank goodness someone with a common sense approach !! thanks Grumpyowldwoman[/p][/quote]So tell me this, what exactly is sensiable about nuclear weapons? Do you like the fact that they are designed to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people? Maybe you should take a holiday in chernobyl if you like fall out so much. A hand ful of jobs which will come from outside of pembrokeshire for a nuclear accident does not sound sensible to me. I wounder if the sea empress had a cargo of plutonium and you was ordered to leave your house and live in a school hall somewhere in carmarthenshire for years you would still agree to nuclear. Yes nuclear subs do have accidents. coronobog
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7:01am Mon 25 Jun 12

coronobog says...

PDBlue wrote:
jexi1110 wrote:
Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway.

Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway.

A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.
Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?
Seems you know very little about tourism. Yes there are tourists in the winter infact christmas and new year is very busy.
The tourist industry will bring more jobs and investment to the county than a handful of jobs at a nuclear sub base. Also consider that most new jobs will come from out of county, how many nuclear sub engineers live in milford haven?
[quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jexi1110[/bold] wrote: Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway. Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway. A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.[/p][/quote]Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?[/p][/quote]Seems you know very little about tourism. Yes there are tourists in the winter infact christmas and new year is very busy. The tourist industry will bring more jobs and investment to the county than a handful of jobs at a nuclear sub base. Also consider that most new jobs will come from out of county, how many nuclear sub engineers live in milford haven? coronobog
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7:04am Mon 25 Jun 12

coronobog says...

grumpyowldwoman wrote:
conspiracy wrote:
A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese.

"Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere.

The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"
Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it?
And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford!
yes there has been a tsunami in south wales so maybe you should research before making false claims.
[quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese. "Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere. The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"[/p][/quote]Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it? And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford![/p][/quote]yes there has been a tsunami in south wales so maybe you should research before making false claims. coronobog
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11:34am Mon 25 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

grumpyowldwoman wrote:
taffytubby wrote:
To Grumpyopldwoman- I think I know considerably more about particle/nuclear physics than you do. There is an inherent risk of particles with long half-lives and high toxicity being released into the local environment when there are nuclear powered craft being serviced in the harbour. You can be belligerent and stroppy, but you still have to be correct. No nuclear submarines, no nuclear hazard. This is a beautiful region, we can maintain its beauty and encourage others to enjoy it thus bringing wealth to the county without jeopardising the environment or the wellbeing of the local community. Don't believe me? Read here: http://www.dailyreco


rd.co.uk/news/politi


cs-news/2009/04/28/f


ury-over-radioactive


-leaks-at-faslane-nu


clear-submarine-base


-86908-21315133/
Actually I have a related degree in, and work with ionising radiation for some considerable years....and I am still here and healthy hmmmm. That article you link to is a low quality poor utility badly written article with no credible references.....try again!
Not being belligerent or stroppy, just amused at the uninformed headless poultry posting on here.
Since you state that you know more than us on particle nuclear physics, Ummm please can you enlighten us all on why we use Uranium, instead of using the safer and more abundant Thorium to fuel our Nuclear Power Stations.
[quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]taffytubby[/bold] wrote: To Grumpyopldwoman- I think I know considerably more about particle/nuclear physics than you do. There is an inherent risk of particles with long half-lives and high toxicity being released into the local environment when there are nuclear powered craft being serviced in the harbour. You can be belligerent and stroppy, but you still have to be correct. No nuclear submarines, no nuclear hazard. This is a beautiful region, we can maintain its beauty and encourage others to enjoy it thus bringing wealth to the county without jeopardising the environment or the wellbeing of the local community. Don't believe me? Read here: http://www.dailyreco rd.co.uk/news/politi cs-news/2009/04/28/f ury-over-radioactive -leaks-at-faslane-nu clear-submarine-base -86908-21315133/[/p][/quote]Actually I have a related degree in, and work with ionising radiation for some considerable years....and I am still here and healthy hmmmm. That article you link to is a low quality poor utility badly written article with no credible references.....try again! Not being belligerent or stroppy, just amused at the uninformed headless poultry posting on here.[/p][/quote]Since you state that you know more than us on particle nuclear physics, Ummm please can you enlighten us all on why we use Uranium, instead of using the safer and more abundant Thorium to fuel our Nuclear Power Stations. conspiracy
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12:23pm Mon 25 Jun 12

billbob says...

some people use google far too much!
some people use google far too much! billbob
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1:42pm Mon 25 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

billbob wrote:
some people use google far too much!
Yep, agreed!
by the way conspiracy I don't need to justify/prove my knowledge to you and why are you asking about nuclear power stations? are we getting one of those too?
[quote][p][bold]billbob[/bold] wrote: some people use google far too much![/p][/quote]Yep, agreed! by the way conspiracy I don't need to justify/prove my knowledge to you and why are you asking about nuclear power stations? are we getting one of those too? grumpyowldwoman
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3:55pm Mon 25 Jun 12

Hyper-injunctions says...

I don't know what this 'conspiracy' fellows agenda is.

I'm a little surprised he's that bothered about the ill effects of nuclear radiation on humans, as elsewhere on this site he has extolled the cancer curing abilities of chewing a leaf (or something).
I don't know what this 'conspiracy' fellows agenda is. I'm a little surprised he's that bothered about the ill effects of nuclear radiation on humans, as elsewhere on this site he has extolled the cancer curing abilities of chewing a leaf (or something). Hyper-injunctions
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5:49pm Mon 25 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

Nuclear facilities are that safe, they cannot get commercial insurance to cover an accident. We the tax payer have to foot this bill, along with all decommissioning costs.

So called cheap Nuclear Power, will cost the earth in the end.
Nuclear facilities are that safe, they cannot get commercial insurance to cover an accident. We the tax payer have to foot this bill, along with all decommissioning costs. So called cheap Nuclear Power, will cost the earth in the end. conspiracy
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7:17pm Mon 25 Jun 12

pembsgtr says...

conspiracy wrote:
Nuclear facilities are that safe, they cannot get commercial insurance to cover an accident. We the tax payer have to foot this bill, along with all decommissioning costs.

So called cheap Nuclear Power, will cost the earth in the end.
"conspiracy" have you found the secret to eternal life? It sounds as if you are going to be around when this nuclear winter falls upon us.
If nuclear was the only way to supply power to us energy hungry earthlings so be it,
unless of course you can also tell me how I go about producing clean, ethical power to enable me to post on this here forum.
[quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: Nuclear facilities are that safe, they cannot get commercial insurance to cover an accident. We the tax payer have to foot this bill, along with all decommissioning costs. So called cheap Nuclear Power, will cost the earth in the end.[/p][/quote]"conspiracy" have you found the secret to eternal life? It sounds as if you are going to be around when this nuclear winter falls upon us. If nuclear was the only way to supply power to us energy hungry earthlings so be it, unless of course you can also tell me how I go about producing clean, ethical power to enable me to post on this here forum. pembsgtr
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7:21pm Mon 25 Jun 12

pembsgtr says...

coronobog wrote:
grumpyowldwoman wrote:
conspiracy wrote:
A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese.

"Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere.

The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"
Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it?
And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford!
yes there has been a tsunami in south wales so maybe you should research before making false claims.
coronobog, can you enlighten me as to when the last tsunami powered its way up Milford Haven?
[quote][p][bold]coronobog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese. "Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere. The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"[/p][/quote]Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it? And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford![/p][/quote]yes there has been a tsunami in south wales so maybe you should research before making false claims.[/p][/quote]coronobog, can you enlighten me as to when the last tsunami powered its way up Milford Haven? pembsgtr
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8:14pm Mon 25 Jun 12

Hyper-injunctions says...

pembsgtr wrote:
conspiracy wrote:
Nuclear facilities are that safe, they cannot get commercial insurance to cover an accident. We the tax payer have to foot this bill, along with all decommissioning costs.

So called cheap Nuclear Power, will cost the earth in the end.
"conspiracy" have you found the secret to eternal life? It sounds as if you are going to be around when this nuclear winter falls upon us.
If nuclear was the only way to supply power to us energy hungry earthlings so be it,
unless of course you can also tell me how I go about producing clean, ethical power to enable me to post on this here forum.
@ pembsgtr- Don't get him started! He really does believe he has found the secret of eternal life. And guess what? It's a conspiracy by big pharmaceutical companies that hides it.
It's true. He does.
[quote][p][bold]pembsgtr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: Nuclear facilities are that safe, they cannot get commercial insurance to cover an accident. We the tax payer have to foot this bill, along with all decommissioning costs. So called cheap Nuclear Power, will cost the earth in the end.[/p][/quote]"conspiracy" have you found the secret to eternal life? It sounds as if you are going to be around when this nuclear winter falls upon us. If nuclear was the only way to supply power to us energy hungry earthlings so be it, unless of course you can also tell me how I go about producing clean, ethical power to enable me to post on this here forum.[/p][/quote]@ pembsgtr- Don't get him started! He really does believe he has found the secret of eternal life. And guess what? It's a conspiracy by big pharmaceutical companies that hides it. It's true. He does. Hyper-injunctions
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8:39pm Mon 25 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

pembsgtr wrote:
coronobog wrote:
grumpyowldwoman wrote:
conspiracy wrote:
A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese.

"Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere.

The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"
Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it?
And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford!
yes there has been a tsunami in south wales so maybe you should research before making false claims.
coronobog, can you enlighten me as to when the last tsunami powered its way up Milford Haven?
Welsh tsunami
In 1607 a tidal flood struck the South Wales and River Severn coastal areas. The event is recorded on plaques in a number of churches, including those in Monmouthshire at Goldcliff, St Brides, Redwick and Peterstone. The idea that the 1607 flood was due to a tsunami was first put forward by us in a scientific paper published in 2002 in the journal Archaeology in the Severn Estuary. A number of historical documents exist that describe the event and its aftermath. An area from Barnstaple in North Devon, up the Bristol Channel and Severn Estuary to Gloucester, then along the South Wales coast around to Cardigan was affected, some 570 km of coastline.
The coastal population was devastated with at least 2,000 fatalities. Luckily they had no Nuclear Power stations on the Severn Estuary in 1607, unlike we have today, “approx 20 miles across the Severn from Barry in South Wales”.

I am sure lightning wont strike twice. Will it?

;-)
[quote][p][bold]pembsgtr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coronobog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese. "Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere. The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"[/p][/quote]Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it? And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford![/p][/quote]yes there has been a tsunami in south wales so maybe you should research before making false claims.[/p][/quote]coronobog, can you enlighten me as to when the last tsunami powered its way up Milford Haven?[/p][/quote]Welsh tsunami In 1607 a tidal flood struck the South Wales and River Severn coastal areas. The event is recorded on plaques in a number of churches, including those in Monmouthshire at Goldcliff, St Brides, Redwick and Peterstone. The idea that the 1607 flood was due to a tsunami was first put forward by us in a scientific paper published in 2002 in the journal Archaeology in the Severn Estuary. A number of historical documents exist that describe the event and its aftermath. An area from Barnstaple in North Devon, up the Bristol Channel and Severn Estuary to Gloucester, then along the South Wales coast around to Cardigan was affected, some 570 km of coastline. The coastal population was devastated with at least 2,000 fatalities. Luckily they had no Nuclear Power stations on the Severn Estuary in 1607, unlike we have today, “approx 20 miles across the Severn from Barry in South Wales”. I am sure lightning wont strike twice. Will it? ;-) conspiracy
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8:54pm Mon 25 Jun 12

pembsgtr says...

Don't live on low lying ground around the Severn estuary then is possibly the best advice. ;-)
Don't live on low lying ground around the Severn estuary then is possibly the best advice. ;-) pembsgtr
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9:46pm Mon 25 Jun 12

PDBlue says...

coronobog wrote:
PDBlue wrote:
jexi1110 wrote:
Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway.

Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway.

A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.
Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?
Seems you know very little about tourism. Yes there are tourists in the winter infact christmas and new year is very busy.
The tourist industry will bring more jobs and investment to the county than a handful of jobs at a nuclear sub base. Also consider that most new jobs will come from out of county, how many nuclear sub engineers live in milford haven?
Well, if you seriously insist that there is a large influx of Tourists into the towns around Milford Haven, perhaps you can tell every "Tourist shop, cafe's, Oakwood, Caldey Island, Caravan and Camping sites, etc etc" to remain open, as they must be losing thousands of pounds a year. People popping into the county for a few hours shopping does not mean Tourism, and to be honest, more leave Pembs to co into Carmarthen, Swansea, Cardiff area's to shop!! Lets be fair, Pembrokeshire Would benifit, Jobs, Housing. One Sub engineer wouldn't come on his own, 1 Sub Engineer would mean a Fleet, not a boat.
But we can argue until blue in the face, It WILL NOT happen.
[quote][p][bold]coronobog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jexi1110[/bold] wrote: Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway. Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway. A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.[/p][/quote]Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?[/p][/quote]Seems you know very little about tourism. Yes there are tourists in the winter infact christmas and new year is very busy. The tourist industry will bring more jobs and investment to the county than a handful of jobs at a nuclear sub base. Also consider that most new jobs will come from out of county, how many nuclear sub engineers live in milford haven?[/p][/quote]Well, if you seriously insist that there is a large influx of Tourists into the towns around Milford Haven, perhaps you can tell every "Tourist shop, cafe's, Oakwood, Caldey Island, Caravan and Camping sites, etc etc" to remain open, as they must be losing thousands of pounds a year. People popping into the county for a few hours shopping does not mean Tourism, and to be honest, more leave Pembs to co into Carmarthen, Swansea, Cardiff area's to shop!! Lets be fair, Pembrokeshire Would benifit, Jobs, Housing. One Sub engineer wouldn't come on his own, 1 Sub Engineer would mean a Fleet, not a boat. But we can argue until blue in the face, It WILL NOT happen. PDBlue
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11:20pm Mon 25 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

It shows how dire the jobs situation in Pembrokeshire is, when just talk of a chance of a Nuclear Submarine fleet taking residence in the Haven offers hope to some people. We are worth more than this.
It shows how dire the jobs situation in Pembrokeshire is, when just talk of a chance of a Nuclear Submarine fleet taking residence in the Haven offers hope to some people. We are worth more than this. conspiracy
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11:25pm Mon 25 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

pembsgtr wrote:
conspiracy wrote:
Nuclear facilities are that safe, they cannot get commercial insurance to cover an accident. We the tax payer have to foot this bill, along with all decommissioning costs.

So called cheap Nuclear Power, will cost the earth in the end.
"conspiracy" have you found the secret to eternal life? It sounds as if you are going to be around when this nuclear winter falls upon us.
If nuclear was the only way to supply power to us energy hungry earthlings so be it,
unless of course you can also tell me how I go about producing clean, ethical power to enable me to post on this here forum.
Read about "Nikola Tesla" and free energy. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]pembsgtr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: Nuclear facilities are that safe, they cannot get commercial insurance to cover an accident. We the tax payer have to foot this bill, along with all decommissioning costs. So called cheap Nuclear Power, will cost the earth in the end.[/p][/quote]"conspiracy" have you found the secret to eternal life? It sounds as if you are going to be around when this nuclear winter falls upon us. If nuclear was the only way to supply power to us energy hungry earthlings so be it, unless of course you can also tell me how I go about producing clean, ethical power to enable me to post on this here forum.[/p][/quote]Read about "Nikola Tesla" and free energy. ;-) conspiracy
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12:16pm Tue 26 Jun 12

billbob says...

Conspiracy, there is no such thing as free energy, it is a physical impossibility, and if you believe there is, you are more gullible than you sound
Conspiracy, there is no such thing as free energy, it is a physical impossibility, and if you believe there is, you are more gullible than you sound billbob
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1:24pm Tue 26 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

Nikola Tesla was a genius that could harness natural energy from the Earth. Because this energy could not be metered and everyone could use it for free. He was ostracised by his corporate employers and ended up dying penniless, with all of his work being confiscated by the American government.
Nikola Tesla was a genius that could harness natural energy from the Earth. Because this energy could not be metered and everyone could use it for free. He was ostracised by his corporate employers and ended up dying penniless, with all of his work being confiscated by the American government. conspiracy
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2:58pm Tue 26 Jun 12

billbob says...

as i suspected GULLIBLE to the extreme
as i suspected GULLIBLE to the extreme billbob
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3:05pm Tue 26 Jun 12

pembsgtr says...

Imagine the taxes we would have to pay on things if there was such a thing as "Teslas free energy"
Imagine the taxes we would have to pay on things if there was such a thing as "Teslas free energy" pembsgtr
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3:40pm Tue 26 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

True we do not have "Teslas free energy" but we do have more than enough extortionate direct and indirect taxes. That's another story though. ;-)
True we do not have "Teslas free energy" but we do have more than enough extortionate direct and indirect taxes. That's another story though. ;-) conspiracy
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3:51pm Tue 26 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

Lets get back to the article. Did any notice the part where it States "Mr Jones responded by saying that he had noticed that the Scottish Government no longer wished to have the UK's nuclear deterrent housed at the Faslane naval base on the River Clyde".

I wonder why the Scottish Government rejects these safe, job creating, Nuclear Subs ?
Lets get back to the article. Did any notice the part where it States "Mr Jones responded by saying that he had noticed that the Scottish Government no longer wished to have the UK's nuclear deterrent housed at the Faslane naval base on the River Clyde". I wonder why the Scottish Government rejects these safe, job creating, Nuclear Subs ? conspiracy
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5:22pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Hyper-injunctions says...

Wow! 74 comments and the article has not been 'disappeared' by WT yet.
Mustn't have been any comments criticising PCC.

@Conspiracy, "you are David Icke and I claim my ten pounds"
Wow! 74 comments and the article has not been 'disappeared' by WT yet. Mustn't have been any comments criticising PCC. @Conspiracy, "you are David Icke and I claim my ten pounds" Hyper-injunctions
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9:42pm Tue 26 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

Hyper-injunctions wrote:
Wow! 74 comments and the article has not been 'disappeared' by WT yet.
Mustn't have been any comments criticising PCC.

@Conspiracy, "you are David Icke and I claim my ten pounds"
Oh I was about to claim that ;))))


So amusing conspiracy, keep it up.
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: Wow! 74 comments and the article has not been 'disappeared' by WT yet. Mustn't have been any comments criticising PCC. @Conspiracy, "you are David Icke and I claim my ten pounds"[/p][/quote]Oh I was about to claim that ;)))) So amusing conspiracy, keep it up. grumpyowldwoman
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9:51pm Tue 26 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

conspiracy wrote:
Nikola Tesla was a genius that could harness natural energy from the Earth. Because this energy could not be metered and everyone could use it for free. He was ostracised by his corporate employers and ended up dying penniless, with all of his work being confiscated by the American government.
Oh dear conspiracy, now I really can't take ANYTHING you write seriously anymore, such a shame.....
[quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: Nikola Tesla was a genius that could harness natural energy from the Earth. Because this energy could not be metered and everyone could use it for free. He was ostracised by his corporate employers and ended up dying penniless, with all of his work being confiscated by the American government.[/p][/quote]Oh dear conspiracy, now I really can't take ANYTHING you write seriously anymore, such a shame..... grumpyowldwoman
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12:10am Wed 27 Jun 12

DD WILKO says...

I for one would welcome it, we need to get in the real world. Pembrokeshire is a beautiful county, but we cannot rely on tourism solely, jobs are needed - decent jobs that maintain the town and stop the migration of local people who reluctantly have to leave their home town in search of work and opportunities.
We can't live in the past but address the future. Charles Street is constantly being referred to as 'dying' be realistic, its dead,move on, it cannot ever be revived despite some deluded views
I for one would welcome it, we need to get in the real world. Pembrokeshire is a beautiful county, but we cannot rely on tourism solely, jobs are needed - decent jobs that maintain the town and stop the migration of local people who reluctantly have to leave their home town in search of work and opportunities. We can't live in the past but address the future. Charles Street is constantly being referred to as 'dying' be realistic, its dead,move on, it cannot ever be revived despite some deluded views DD WILKO
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12:20am Wed 27 Jun 12

coronobog says...

pembsgtr wrote:
coronobog wrote:
grumpyowldwoman wrote:
conspiracy wrote:
A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese.

"Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere.

The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"
Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it?
And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford!
yes there has been a tsunami in south wales so maybe you should research before making false claims.
coronobog, can you enlighten me as to when the last tsunami powered its way up Milford Haven?
1607.
[quote][p][bold]pembsgtr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coronobog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grumpyowldwoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: A Nuclear accident is unforgiving, ask the Japanese. "Japan is Dying" and radioactive contamination is spreading around the globe in the oceans and atmosphere. The Welsh Assembly should be ensuring that "Wales is nuclear free"[/p][/quote]Read the latest reports by the JAEA, maybe then you will be better informed about the radioactive contamination.....or lack of it? And if we lived in an earthquake zone like the Japanese do then perhaps I would be worried, but I can't recall the last tsunami in Milford![/p][/quote]yes there has been a tsunami in south wales so maybe you should research before making false claims.[/p][/quote]coronobog, can you enlighten me as to when the last tsunami powered its way up Milford Haven?[/p][/quote]1607. coronobog
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12:30am Wed 27 Jun 12

coronobog says...

PDBlue wrote:
coronobog wrote:
PDBlue wrote:
jexi1110 wrote:
Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway.

Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway.

A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.
Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?
Seems you know very little about tourism. Yes there are tourists in the winter infact christmas and new year is very busy.
The tourist industry will bring more jobs and investment to the county than a handful of jobs at a nuclear sub base. Also consider that most new jobs will come from out of county, how many nuclear sub engineers live in milford haven?
Well, if you seriously insist that there is a large influx of Tourists into the towns around Milford Haven, perhaps you can tell every "Tourist shop, cafe's, Oakwood, Caldey Island, Caravan and Camping sites, etc etc" to remain open, as they must be losing thousands of pounds a year. People popping into the county for a few hours shopping does not mean Tourism, and to be honest, more leave Pembs to co into Carmarthen, Swansea, Cardiff area's to shop!! Lets be fair, Pembrokeshire Would benifit, Jobs, Housing. One Sub engineer wouldn't come on his own, 1 Sub Engineer would mean a Fleet, not a boat.
But we can argue until blue in the face, It WILL NOT happen.
Oakwood not opening could be due to the weather and caldy during the winter rough seas would be out of the question.
However what I say is true, many caravan parks are quite full during christmas and new year.
Yes many jobs for this base would come out of county.
What is wrong with developing other jobs in the area? Ok what if it was proposed to have a nuclear waste depot in pembs? Or maybe a lap dancing club? These would create jobs yes?
[quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coronobog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jexi1110[/bold] wrote: Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway. Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway. A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.[/p][/quote]Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?[/p][/quote]Seems you know very little about tourism. Yes there are tourists in the winter infact christmas and new year is very busy. The tourist industry will bring more jobs and investment to the county than a handful of jobs at a nuclear sub base. Also consider that most new jobs will come from out of county, how many nuclear sub engineers live in milford haven?[/p][/quote]Well, if you seriously insist that there is a large influx of Tourists into the towns around Milford Haven, perhaps you can tell every "Tourist shop, cafe's, Oakwood, Caldey Island, Caravan and Camping sites, etc etc" to remain open, as they must be losing thousands of pounds a year. People popping into the county for a few hours shopping does not mean Tourism, and to be honest, more leave Pembs to co into Carmarthen, Swansea, Cardiff area's to shop!! Lets be fair, Pembrokeshire Would benifit, Jobs, Housing. One Sub engineer wouldn't come on his own, 1 Sub Engineer would mean a Fleet, not a boat. But we can argue until blue in the face, It WILL NOT happen.[/p][/quote]Oakwood not opening could be due to the weather and caldy during the winter rough seas would be out of the question. However what I say is true, many caravan parks are quite full during christmas and new year. Yes many jobs for this base would come out of county. What is wrong with developing other jobs in the area? Ok what if it was proposed to have a nuclear waste depot in pembs? Or maybe a lap dancing club? These would create jobs yes? coronobog
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9:39am Wed 27 Jun 12

maesteg says...

IMO jobs in the nuclear industry would be far more advantageous for our young people rather than what is on offer now. The only growth industry in this county seems to be in care homes, working for private profiteers on minimum wages.
IMO jobs in the nuclear industry would be far more advantageous for our young people rather than what is on offer now. The only growth industry in this county seems to be in care homes, working for private profiteers on minimum wages. maesteg
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10:25am Wed 27 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

Unemployment is no joyride, I have tasted it too many times over the last 5 decades. Living in beautiful Pembrokeshire softened the blow for me. I was skint but I would rather be skint here, than in a city like Cardiff, London etc. Something always turned up. Like many others I had to leave my family and have worked all over the world. I have seen many places and you know, there is nowhere I would rather be than Pembrokeshire. We need jobs in Pembrokeshire yes, but are they to be at any cost.

I hope not.
Unemployment is no joyride, I have tasted it too many times over the last 5 decades. Living in beautiful Pembrokeshire softened the blow for me. I was skint but I would rather be skint here, than in a city like Cardiff, London etc. Something always turned up. Like many others I had to leave my family and have worked all over the world. I have seen many places and you know, there is nowhere I would rather be than Pembrokeshire. We need jobs in Pembrokeshire yes, but are they to be at any cost. I hope not. conspiracy
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1:35pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Hyper-injunctions says...

*disappeared*

Who mentioned the council? C'mon, own up.
*disappeared* Who mentioned the council? C'mon, own up. Hyper-injunctions
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7:41pm Wed 27 Jun 12

PDBlue says...

coronobog wrote:
PDBlue wrote:
coronobog wrote:
PDBlue wrote:
jexi1110 wrote:
Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway.

Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway.

A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.
Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?
Seems you know very little about tourism. Yes there are tourists in the winter infact christmas and new year is very busy.
The tourist industry will bring more jobs and investment to the county than a handful of jobs at a nuclear sub base. Also consider that most new jobs will come from out of county, how many nuclear sub engineers live in milford haven?
Well, if you seriously insist that there is a large influx of Tourists into the towns around Milford Haven, perhaps you can tell every "Tourist shop, cafe's, Oakwood, Caldey Island, Caravan and Camping sites, etc etc" to remain open, as they must be losing thousands of pounds a year. People popping into the county for a few hours shopping does not mean Tourism, and to be honest, more leave Pembs to co into Carmarthen, Swansea, Cardiff area's to shop!! Lets be fair, Pembrokeshire Would benifit, Jobs, Housing. One Sub engineer wouldn't come on his own, 1 Sub Engineer would mean a Fleet, not a boat.
But we can argue until blue in the face, It WILL NOT happen.
Oakwood not opening could be due to the weather and caldy during the winter rough seas would be out of the question.
However what I say is true, many caravan parks are quite full during christmas and new year.
Yes many jobs for this base would come out of county.
What is wrong with developing other jobs in the area? Ok what if it was proposed to have a nuclear waste depot in pembs? Or maybe a lap dancing club? These would create jobs yes?
Sorry Coronobog, You must try harder, Oakwood closing is because its Seasonal! Caldey Island..Seasonal, boats go over in all weathers. Many Caravan Parks?? Well, at least 80% of your parks have to close because thats the law, only a few stay open through the year, but those are Resident parks. Get real bud, this isn't a waste dump, its a highly protected Military base. I will say it again, "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" but if it ever came as a chance, then Pembrokeshire will benifit as a whole, the towns around the Haven will flourish. I honestly am stunned with some of the replies on this article. Get it in your heads, The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial and once a Military Garrison. If the big Industry left, Pembs would be DEAD!! full of Coffin dodgers, All young people would be on the dole, and we would be ruled by people who would rather turn buildings into Residentual Care Homes, than improving the prospects of our children. Most of us here, have seen our once thriving towns die. I dont want to watch all prospects die with them!
[quote][p][bold]coronobog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coronobog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PDBlue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jexi1110[/bold] wrote: Hear hear! I'm sick of the media bias towards the big oil and LNG companies which have ruined the beauty of the Milford Haven waterway. Yes, they provide jobs - but so does tourism. And tourism is affected by the dirty monstrosities that loom over and across the waterway. A few years ago, I brought my girlfriend to visit Pembrokeshire (she's from Dorset) and the first thing she commented on as we crossed the Cleddau Bridge was "I thought all this was National Park? It looks like that Port Talbot place we just drove through". I had to concur.[/p][/quote]Tourism, well im afraid that doesn't put food on the table in the winter!! It can be relied upon when its pi##ing down with rain, Perhaps you should show your Girlfriend around the tourist area's out of season, when the £1 shops are closed, Cafe's boarded up. The only people you see out and about are very low paid People working for a living. The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial, and even before that, it was a Military Installation. Now i mst pop out, and have a Coffee outside the cornstore in Pembroke....oh i cant, its Raining?[/p][/quote]Seems you know very little about tourism. Yes there are tourists in the winter infact christmas and new year is very busy. The tourist industry will bring more jobs and investment to the county than a handful of jobs at a nuclear sub base. Also consider that most new jobs will come from out of county, how many nuclear sub engineers live in milford haven?[/p][/quote]Well, if you seriously insist that there is a large influx of Tourists into the towns around Milford Haven, perhaps you can tell every "Tourist shop, cafe's, Oakwood, Caldey Island, Caravan and Camping sites, etc etc" to remain open, as they must be losing thousands of pounds a year. People popping into the county for a few hours shopping does not mean Tourism, and to be honest, more leave Pembs to co into Carmarthen, Swansea, Cardiff area's to shop!! Lets be fair, Pembrokeshire Would benifit, Jobs, Housing. One Sub engineer wouldn't come on his own, 1 Sub Engineer would mean a Fleet, not a boat. But we can argue until blue in the face, It WILL NOT happen.[/p][/quote]Oakwood not opening could be due to the weather and caldy during the winter rough seas would be out of the question. However what I say is true, many caravan parks are quite full during christmas and new year. Yes many jobs for this base would come out of county. What is wrong with developing other jobs in the area? Ok what if it was proposed to have a nuclear waste depot in pembs? Or maybe a lap dancing club? These would create jobs yes?[/p][/quote]Sorry Coronobog, You must try harder, Oakwood closing is because its Seasonal! Caldey Island..Seasonal, boats go over in all weathers. Many Caravan Parks?? Well, at least 80% of your parks have to close because thats the law, only a few stay open through the year, but those are Resident parks. Get real bud, this isn't a waste dump, its a highly protected Military base. I will say it again, "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" but if it ever came as a chance, then Pembrokeshire will benifit as a whole, the towns around the Haven will flourish. I honestly am stunned with some of the replies on this article. Get it in your heads, The Milford Haven Waterway is Industrial and once a Military Garrison. If the big Industry left, Pembs would be DEAD!! full of Coffin dodgers, All young people would be on the dole, and we would be ruled by people who would rather turn buildings into Residentual Care Homes, than improving the prospects of our children. Most of us here, have seen our once thriving towns die. I dont want to watch all prospects die with them! PDBlue
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10:23pm Wed 27 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

conspiracy wrote:
Unemployment is no joyride, I have tasted it too many times over the last 5 decades. Living in beautiful Pembrokeshire softened the blow for me. I was skint but I would rather be skint here, than in a city like Cardiff, London etc. Something always turned up. Like many others I had to leave my family and have worked all over the world. I have seen many places and you know, there is nowhere I would rather be than Pembrokeshire. We need jobs in Pembrokeshire yes, but are they to be at any cost.

I hope not.
Aw conspiracy you do have a heart, I totally agree with you Pembrokeshire is just the best place in the world, and I have seen a fair bit of the world too, but am always so pleased to be firstly back in Wales, then to see that sign at Whitland...welcome to Pembrokeshire! But I honestly believe that there is just way too much scaremongering spin and ignorance attached to radioactivity and if people took the time to learn the science and not the quackery then they would realise that it is not the devil incarnate. Pembrokeshire needs jobs...not at any cost, but this isn't at any cost, it is a known, well researched regulated industry.
[quote][p][bold]conspiracy[/bold] wrote: Unemployment is no joyride, I have tasted it too many times over the last 5 decades. Living in beautiful Pembrokeshire softened the blow for me. I was skint but I would rather be skint here, than in a city like Cardiff, London etc. Something always turned up. Like many others I had to leave my family and have worked all over the world. I have seen many places and you know, there is nowhere I would rather be than Pembrokeshire. We need jobs in Pembrokeshire yes, but are they to be at any cost. I hope not.[/p][/quote]Aw conspiracy you do have a heart, I totally agree with you Pembrokeshire is just the best place in the world, and I have seen a fair bit of the world too, but am always so pleased to be firstly back in Wales, then to see that sign at Whitland...welcome to Pembrokeshire! But I honestly believe that there is just way too much scaremongering spin and ignorance attached to radioactivity and if people took the time to learn the science and not the quackery then they would realise that it is not the devil incarnate. Pembrokeshire needs jobs...not at any cost, but this isn't at any cost, it is a known, well researched regulated industry. grumpyowldwoman
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9:35am Thu 28 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

The south Pembrokeshire Link of Chernobyl Children’s Life Line needs more cash to fund a respite visit of children effected by radiation.

This visit by these poor sick children, is a direct result of a regulated Nuclear industry accident.

This should be a warning of welcoming Nuclear Power to Pembrokeshire.

Every Nuclear powered Submarine, has a Nuclear Reactor on board. All the safety regulations in the world, cannot protect our children from Human error. : (
The south Pembrokeshire Link of Chernobyl Children’s Life Line needs more cash to fund a respite visit of children effected by radiation. This visit by these poor sick children, is a direct result of a regulated Nuclear industry accident. This should be a warning of welcoming Nuclear Power to Pembrokeshire. Every Nuclear powered Submarine, has a Nuclear Reactor on board. All the safety regulations in the world, cannot protect our children from Human error. : ( conspiracy
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1:54pm Thu 28 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

Chernobyl incident as I recall was NOT human error, it was a catalogue of errors from policy and procedure mishaps, to poor design, poor training and lack of maintenence. The number of deaths, 64 at 2008, is nothing compared to the number of deaths caused by benzene emissions from petrol/ diesel engines in a similar time frame, or deaths on UK construction sites in ONE average year, the list goes on.....lets get a perspective on this!
Chernobyl incident as I recall was NOT human error, it was a catalogue of errors from policy and procedure mishaps, to poor design, poor training and lack of maintenence. The number of deaths, 64 at 2008, is nothing compared to the number of deaths caused by benzene emissions from petrol/ diesel engines in a similar time frame, or deaths on UK construction sites in ONE average year, the list goes on.....lets get a perspective on this! grumpyowldwoman
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5:43pm Thu 28 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

There is well documented evidence that Chernobyl was caused by a series Human errors, and like those mentioned below, I refute that only 64 people have died.

The UN's World Health Organisation and the International Atomic Energy Agency claim that only 56 people have died as a direct result of the radiation released at Chernobyl and that about 4,000 will die from it eventually.

They also say that only a few children have died of cancers since the accident and, that most of the illnesses usually linked to Chernobyl are due to psychological distress, radiophobia or poverty and unhealthy living.

But other reputable scientists researching the most radiation-contaminat
ed areas of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are not convinced. The International Agency for Research on Cancer, another UN agency, predicts 16,000 deaths from Chernobyl; an assessment by the Russian academy of sciences says there have been 60,000 deaths so far in Russia and an estimated 140,000 in Ukraine and Belarus.

Meanwhile, the Belarus national academy of sciences estimates 93,000 deaths so far and 270,000 cancers, and the Ukrainian national commission for radiation protection calculates 500,000 deaths so far.
There is well documented evidence that Chernobyl was caused by a series Human errors, and like those mentioned below, I refute that only 64 people have died. The UN's World Health Organisation and the International Atomic Energy Agency claim that only 56 people have died as a direct result of the radiation released at Chernobyl and that about 4,000 will die from it eventually. They also say that only a few children have died of cancers since the accident and, that most of the illnesses usually linked to Chernobyl are due to psychological distress, radiophobia or poverty and unhealthy living. But other reputable scientists researching the most radiation-contaminat ed areas of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are not convinced. The International Agency for Research on Cancer, another UN agency, predicts 16,000 deaths from Chernobyl; an assessment by the Russian academy of sciences says there have been 60,000 deaths so far in Russia and an estimated 140,000 in Ukraine and Belarus. Meanwhile, the Belarus national academy of sciences estimates 93,000 deaths so far and 270,000 cancers, and the Ukrainian national commission for radiation protection calculates 500,000 deaths so far. conspiracy
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9:50pm Thu 28 Jun 12

grumpyowldwoman says...

Golly conspiracy you have way too much time on your hands, oh and by the way plagiarism is frowned upon in this country.
Golly conspiracy you have way too much time on your hands, oh and by the way plagiarism is frowned upon in this country. grumpyowldwoman
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10:12pm Thu 28 Jun 12

conspiracy says...

Someone forgot to add this to their evidence on the safety of Nuclear Power.

report places the total confirmed deaths from radiation at 64 as of 2008. The World Health Organization (WHO) suggests it could reach 4,000 civilian deaths, a figure which does not include military clean-up worker casualties. A 2006 report predicted 30,000 to 60,000 cancer deaths as a result of Chernobyl fallout. A Greenpeace report puts this figure at 200,000 or more. A Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 premature cancer deaths occurred worldwide between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination from Chernobyl.
Someone forgot to add this to their evidence on the safety of Nuclear Power. report places the total confirmed deaths from radiation at 64 as of 2008. The World Health Organization (WHO) suggests it could reach 4,000 civilian deaths, a figure which does not include military clean-up worker casualties.[5] A 2006 report predicted 30,000 to 60,000 cancer deaths as a result of Chernobyl fallout.[6] A Greenpeace report puts this figure at 200,000 or more.[7] A Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 premature cancer deaths occurred worldwide between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination from Chernobyl. conspiracy
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