Quite a buzz around anti-alarm campaign

Quite a buzz around anti-alarm campaign

SIGN HERE: More than 100 people have backed Gareth Bromhall's campaign against the 'mosquito' alarm at Milford Haven Library. PICTURE: Western Telegraph

SIGN HERE: More than 100 people have backed Gareth Bromhall's campaign against the 'mosquito' alarm at Milford Haven Library. PICTURE: Western Telegraph

First published in County News

MORE than 100 people have signed a petition calling for a controversial 'anti-teenager' alarm to be removed from outside Milford Haven library.

On Saturday (July 5), former care worker Gareth Bromhall was outside Milford Haven Town Hall to launch a campaign asking for the 'Mosquito anti-loitering device' to be taken down.

Installed by the Port of Milford Haven in 2012, following complaints from Cedar Court tenants about littering, vandalism and antisocial behaviour, the device emits a high-frequency noise that can only be hear by people under 25.

But Gareth, who suffers from anxiety and depression, says the device harmful to young people, and those with autism, mental illness or mobility problems.

After hearing the alarm for himself when it accidentally sounded during the day, Gareth says he is now too afraid to visit the library in case it alarm goes off again and triggers a panic attack, and is fighting to get the device replaced with “less invasive” technology such as CCTV.

He has started a Facebook campaign group, and has received support from Unite Community, anti-youth unemployment campaigners Youth Fight For Jobs, and Pembrokeshire-based organisation Cwtch, which supports young adults with chronic health conditions.

And James Welch, legal director of human rights campaign group Liberty has called the device a "sonic weapon directed against children".

"They have no place in a civilized society," he added. "How can we teach young people about dignity and respect if we treat all of them as troublemakers?”

“The reason we’re doing this is because we see it as part of a wider attack on young people,” said Gareth.

“Not all teenagers or young people are ‘youths’ – we’re not all bad people.”

Twenty-one-year-old Larry Best added: "All they do is skateboard down there, I don't know how skateboarding became a symbol of anti-social behaviour when it's just a bit of fun."

But Port of Milford Haven spokesman Mark Andrews defended the alarm’s use, saying there had been “a marked drop” in incidents of anti-social behaviour since its introduction.

"The device is only active outside working hours in this non-residential area and therefore would not be noticed by anyone using the library when it is open.

"It is true that it recently experienced a fault that resulted in the device being left on for extended periods of time.

"The fault was reported and has now been fixed and we sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused."

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6:10pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Bilbo101 says...

Big Wow, more than 100 people ( friends and family then! ), just goes to show how little of a big deal this really is. The alarm had accidentally been set to go off in the day time and I am sure the library managers will not not make the same mistake again. Normally the anti-loitering noise only sounds outside opening hours and was installed to prevent the problems that was being caused by gangs of anti-social kids in the evenings and on weekends. The anti-loitering device is a far cheaper alternative than employing security guards and it cuts down on the amount of time police have to spend investigating petty vandalism, so I am really sorry that Gareth was subjected to this uncomfortable noise on this one occasion, but I am sure that unless he is hanging out around the library outside opening hours then he is highly unlikely to ever be subjected to the noise again.

At the end of the day it is a trade-off between a few people hearing an uncomfortable noise now and again and the county council and other organisations having to constantly spend extra money on cleaning up kids mess and repairing the damage done by their anti-social behaviour and the obvious and sensible solution here is to keep the device as it is doing what it was intended to do.

The Council and Milford organisations should get together and build the youngsters a skate park like they did in Haverfordwest and then the kids would have somewhere to hang out where they won't be annoying people.
Big Wow, more than 100 people ( friends and family then! ), just goes to show how little of a big deal this really is. The alarm had accidentally been set to go off in the day time and I am sure the library managers will not not make the same mistake again. Normally the anti-loitering noise only sounds outside opening hours and was installed to prevent the problems that was being caused by gangs of anti-social kids in the evenings and on weekends. The anti-loitering device is a far cheaper alternative than employing security guards and it cuts down on the amount of time police have to spend investigating petty vandalism, so I am really sorry that Gareth was subjected to this uncomfortable noise on this one occasion, but I am sure that unless he is hanging out around the library outside opening hours then he is highly unlikely to ever be subjected to the noise again. At the end of the day it is a trade-off between a few people hearing an uncomfortable noise now and again and the county council and other organisations having to constantly spend extra money on cleaning up kids mess and repairing the damage done by their anti-social behaviour and the obvious and sensible solution here is to keep the device as it is doing what it was intended to do. The Council and Milford organisations should get together and build the youngsters a skate park like they did in Haverfordwest and then the kids would have somewhere to hang out where they won't be annoying people. Bilbo101
  • Score: 4

6:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Tttoommy says...

Can someone start a petition to introduce more of these sonic devices PLEASE!
Can someone start a petition to introduce more of these sonic devices PLEASE! Tttoommy
  • Score: -11

6:48pm Mon 7 Jul 14

harfordboy says...

"The device emits a high-frequency noise that can only be hear by people under 25" This looks about 30 so how is it bothering him and why is he still playing with the kids on skateboards?
"The device emits a high-frequency noise that can only be hear by people under 25" This looks about 30 so how is it bothering him and why is he still playing with the kids on skateboards? harfordboy
  • Score: -14

10:53pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Bubblecat says...

harfordboy wrote:
"The device emits a high-frequency noise that can only be hear by people under 25" This looks about 30 so how is it bothering him and why is he still playing with the kids on skateboards?
As a friend of Gareth's, I can confirm that he's 21. :P
[quote][p][bold]harfordboy[/bold] wrote: "The device emits a high-frequency noise that can only be hear by people under 25" This looks about 30 so how is it bothering him and why is he still playing with the kids on skateboards?[/p][/quote]As a friend of Gareth's, I can confirm that he's 21. :P Bubblecat
  • Score: 6

8:28am Tue 8 Jul 14

Justiceforall says...

The issue is for or against the sonic device, personal attacks on the young man are unjust. The young people of Milford Haven should have a skateboard park like previously stated, lets do stuff for our children not violate them or ostracise them using these devices. I agree there is a small element of kids that are unruly and this needs redressing, we have a police force for this, attacking all of our young generation is wrong. The port authority is attempting to get planning permission for developing the docks, installing devices like this is not a good public relation move. I was at Milford Haven Carnival assisting Gareth collecting signatures, and what a great fun day it was, enjoyed by all. More fun please and less demonisation of our young people. Ani antisocial behaviour should be stamped out, we should aim our efforts at the litter louts, dog mess, violence, bullying . Lets have a more caring understanding society, that has time for the old and young. ;)
The issue is for or against the sonic device, personal attacks on the young man are unjust. The young people of Milford Haven should have a skateboard park like previously stated, lets do stuff for our children not violate them or ostracise them using these devices. I agree there is a small element of kids that are unruly and this needs redressing, we have a police force for this, attacking all of our young generation is wrong. The port authority is attempting to get planning permission for developing the docks, installing devices like this is not a good public relation move. I was at Milford Haven Carnival assisting Gareth collecting signatures, and what a great fun day it was, enjoyed by all. More fun please and less demonisation of our young people. Ani antisocial behaviour should be stamped out, we should aim our efforts at the litter louts, dog mess, violence, bullying . Lets have a more caring understanding society, that has time for the old and young. ;) Justiceforall
  • Score: 15

11:32am Tue 8 Jul 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

Why did Bubblecat get -5 for confirming the age of the guy with the petition? You lot that read these comments should grow up and realise there is ALWAYS another opinion besides your own small minded bigotry. If he feels the device is disruptive he has every right to challenge it without the abuse you seem to want to throw at him. GROW UP!
Why did Bubblecat get -5 for confirming the age of the guy with the petition? You lot that read these comments should grow up and realise there is ALWAYS another opinion besides your own small minded bigotry. If he feels the device is disruptive he has every right to challenge it without the abuse you seem to want to throw at him. GROW UP! JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: -6

12:09pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bilbo101 says...

JonnyBlueJeans wrote:
Why did Bubblecat get -5 for confirming the age of the guy with the petition? You lot that read these comments should grow up and realise there is ALWAYS another opinion besides your own small minded bigotry. If he feels the device is disruptive he has every right to challenge it without the abuse you seem to want to throw at him. GROW UP!
At 6am this morning BubbleCat had +1 vote and the very sudden addition of negative votes strongly suggests that some people have realised that it is very easy to bypass the voting restrictions of one-vote-per-reader by simply deleting the WT cookie file which the voting system uses to check if somebody has previously voted. It is also possible to get round it by turning cookies off. In addition a lot of mobile browsers do not use cookies by default and therefore people with such devices and applications can make as many votes as they like.

The WT website is built upon quite old and antiquated technology and is desperately in need of an overhaul if it is going to survive in the modern world. However modernising and improving the WT website is not in the WT interests at the moment as they largely still rely on the sales of the paper based version of the paper and the online advertising on this site would not generate enough income to substitute for the revenue lost from sales of the paper version, this is also why the WT only put a very small selection of articles on their website.

Resolving the abuse of the voting system would be quite easy to do simply by changing the way it works so that only registered users could vote and only vote once on each comment.

In the long term I don't see the paper or website surviving financially unless the owners of the paper modernise the technology and platform they use and also put all content online. However as sales of the paper version would decline if all content was put online then they would need to introduce a subscription fee in order to read the additional value added content. If the paper charged a subscription fee of say 30-50p per week then I believe that in the long run they would significantly boost their readership and revenue. the reduced fee for the online version compared to the paper version would be supplemented by advertising revenue.

Local papers such as the WT have struggled significantly in recent years as sales of the traditional paper-based news declines. It is inevitable that at some point they will have to stop producing the paper version version because it will not be cost effective. The answer is to modernise and adopt a online subscription based model if the paper is going to survive. Personally I would have no problem in paying a small weekly subscription fee in order to read local news. It would also greatly benefit Pembrokeshire ex-pats living in other parts of the county and world who would be able to access all and not just the small amount of online content currently available each week.

So come on WT and modernise before it too late.
[quote][p][bold]JonnyBlueJeans[/bold] wrote: Why did Bubblecat get -5 for confirming the age of the guy with the petition? You lot that read these comments should grow up and realise there is ALWAYS another opinion besides your own small minded bigotry. If he feels the device is disruptive he has every right to challenge it without the abuse you seem to want to throw at him. GROW UP![/p][/quote]At 6am this morning BubbleCat had +1 vote and the very sudden addition of negative votes strongly suggests that some people have realised that it is very easy to bypass the voting restrictions of one-vote-per-reader by simply deleting the WT cookie file which the voting system uses to check if somebody has previously voted. It is also possible to get round it by turning cookies off. In addition a lot of mobile browsers do not use cookies by default and therefore people with such devices and applications can make as many votes as they like. The WT website is built upon quite old and antiquated technology and is desperately in need of an overhaul if it is going to survive in the modern world. However modernising and improving the WT website is not in the WT interests at the moment as they largely still rely on the sales of the paper based version of the paper and the online advertising on this site would not generate enough income to substitute for the revenue lost from sales of the paper version, this is also why the WT only put a very small selection of articles on their website. Resolving the abuse of the voting system would be quite easy to do simply by changing the way it works so that only registered users could vote and only vote once on each comment. In the long term I don't see the paper or website surviving financially unless the owners of the paper modernise the technology and platform they use and also put all content online. However as sales of the paper version would decline if all content was put online then they would need to introduce a subscription fee in order to read the additional value added content. If the paper charged a subscription fee of say 30-50p per week then I believe that in the long run they would significantly boost their readership and revenue. the reduced fee for the online version compared to the paper version would be supplemented by advertising revenue. Local papers such as the WT have struggled significantly in recent years as sales of the traditional paper-based news declines. It is inevitable that at some point they will have to stop producing the paper version version because it will not be cost effective. The answer is to modernise and adopt a online subscription based model if the paper is going to survive. Personally I would have no problem in paying a small weekly subscription fee in order to read local news. It would also greatly benefit Pembrokeshire ex-pats living in other parts of the county and world who would be able to access all and not just the small amount of online content currently available each week. So come on WT and modernise before it too late. Bilbo101
  • Score: -29

3:24pm Tue 8 Jul 14

simorris says...

HI

We invented Mosquito to solve a small but important problem. Our device has been tested by NHS, AERC, NPL, ISVR, Belgian Health Council and Health Canada to name but a few. It is also priced at a level where only people at their wits end purchase it.

I would be more worried about the Rodent Scarer being sold for the same purpose. That device is less than £100, has NO testing or approval, has a frequency that relies on the user to set correctly and has been specifically designed by the german manufacturer KEMO to be VERY loud and aggressive. Its called the M175 Rodent scarer and can be found at www.abcfireandsecuri
ty.co.uk who advertise it as a teen deterrent.

Mosquito is not loud, it works by being very annoying by pulsing on/off 4 times a second. Your iPod goes louder than the Mosquito.

I reiterate our offer to assist Gareth with with ensuring that the library and port authority device is used correctly.

Si Morris
Compound Security Systems
HI We invented Mosquito to solve a small but important problem. Our device has been tested by NHS, AERC, NPL, ISVR, Belgian Health Council and Health Canada to name but a few. It is also priced at a level where only people at their wits end purchase it. I would be more worried about the Rodent Scarer being sold for the same purpose. That device is less than £100, has NO testing or approval, has a frequency that relies on the user to set correctly and has been specifically designed by the german manufacturer KEMO to be VERY loud and aggressive. Its called the M175 Rodent scarer and can be found at www.abcfireandsecuri ty.co.uk who advertise it as a teen deterrent. Mosquito is not loud, it works by being very annoying by pulsing on/off 4 times a second. Your iPod goes louder than the Mosquito. I reiterate our offer to assist Gareth with with ensuring that the library and port authority device is used correctly. Si Morris Compound Security Systems simorris
  • Score: -16

4:14pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Hyper-injunctions says...

These comments are so depressing. We have a combination of old people who hate youth; paranoid thumb watchers; salesmen of the hateful devices; and trolls. I despair, I really do.
These comments are so depressing. We have a combination of old people who hate youth; paranoid thumb watchers; salesmen of the hateful devices; and trolls. I despair, I really do. Hyper-injunctions
  • Score: 16

4:35pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bilbo101 says...

Hyper-injunctions wrote:
These comments are so depressing. We have a combination of old people who hate youth; paranoid thumb watchers; salesmen of the hateful devices; and trolls. I despair, I really do.
What on earth is a thumb watcher ? let alone a paranoid one. That is a new one on me. I googled it and found no matches so I assume that you just made it up ??? Can you explain ??? I think that the comments are quite good actually as they cover everyone's point of view. It is amazing that you find them depressing yet you go onto insult everybody yourself, why not add something constructive to the discussion!
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: These comments are so depressing. We have a combination of old people who hate youth; paranoid thumb watchers; salesmen of the hateful devices; and trolls. I despair, I really do.[/p][/quote]What on earth is a thumb watcher ? let alone a paranoid one. That is a new one on me. I googled it and found no matches so I assume that you just made it up ??? Can you explain ??? I think that the comments are quite good actually as they cover everyone's point of view. It is amazing that you find them depressing yet you go onto insult everybody yourself, why not add something constructive to the discussion! Bilbo101
  • Score: -3

5:18pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Hyper-injunctions says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Hyper-injunctions wrote:
These comments are so depressing. We have a combination of old people who hate youth; paranoid thumb watchers; salesmen of the hateful devices; and trolls. I despair, I really do.
What on earth is a thumb watcher ? let alone a paranoid one. That is a new one on me. I googled it and found no matches so I assume that you just made it up ??? Can you explain ??? I think that the comments are quite good actually as they cover everyone's point of view. It is amazing that you find them depressing yet you go onto insult everybody yourself, why not add something constructive to the discussion!
Lol. You been trolled dude.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: These comments are so depressing. We have a combination of old people who hate youth; paranoid thumb watchers; salesmen of the hateful devices; and trolls. I despair, I really do.[/p][/quote]What on earth is a thumb watcher ? let alone a paranoid one. That is a new one on me. I googled it and found no matches so I assume that you just made it up ??? Can you explain ??? I think that the comments are quite good actually as they cover everyone's point of view. It is amazing that you find them depressing yet you go onto insult everybody yourself, why not add something constructive to the discussion![/p][/quote]Lol. You been trolled dude. Hyper-injunctions
  • Score: 7

7:32pm Tue 8 Jul 14

garethbtomhall says...

Gareth Bromhall, 21, yes... this is me. Another article, another weak argument from the company that makes these sonic weapons (And more LIES from a employee of that company... all of whom have been warned not to contact me, and have also been told that this matter ins none of their business), and another load of anti-youth venom spit on the young people of Pembrokeshire. The claims of endorsement on the CSS are full of holes and have no real value, I've already spoken to the college for paediatric and child health and they tell me that the colleges good name has been used to sell such a device without their permission and are not happy. We in-**** have, over the weekend got nearly 200 signatures (less than 10 from family and friends) mostly from concerned citizens from the ages of 13 to 84. We have the backing of local charities, youth groups and of unite the union. We are campaigning to have the device removed because it discriminates against people, aged 18-25, also those with mental illness and chronic illness, along with autism and hypersensitivity. Me and Unite (Representing me and our campaign) are currently in talks with the port authority, serious talks, as a campaign group to have the device removed and have plenty of legal and medical evidence to support our case. Not all young people are thugs, and not all thugs are young people. We want a positive resolution. where a less invasive deterrent is put in place, and a dialogue is opened between the young and of of our community, to show that although there is minority of bad people in both groups, we need not be tarred with the same brush, or indeed blasted with the same sound. The device is a discriminatory and potentially dangerous weapon, and our campaign will continue until the weapon is removed and this issue is resolved.
Gareth Bromhall, 21, yes... this is me. Another article, another weak argument from the company that makes these sonic weapons (And more LIES from a employee of that company... all of whom have been warned not to contact me, and have also been told that this matter ins none of their business), and another load of anti-youth venom spit on the young people of Pembrokeshire. The claims of endorsement on the CSS are full of holes and have no real value, I've already spoken to the college for paediatric and child health and they tell me that the colleges good name has been used to sell such a device without their permission and are not happy. We in-**** have, over the weekend got nearly 200 signatures (less than 10 from family and friends) mostly from concerned citizens from the ages of 13 to 84. We have the backing of local charities, youth groups and of unite the union. We are campaigning to have the device removed because it discriminates against people, aged 18-25, also those with mental illness and chronic illness, along with autism and hypersensitivity. Me and Unite (Representing me and our campaign) are currently in talks with the port authority, serious talks, as a campaign group to have the device removed and have plenty of legal and medical evidence to support our case. Not all young people are thugs, and not all thugs are young people. We want a positive resolution. where a less invasive deterrent is put in place, and a dialogue is opened between the young and of of our community, to show that although there is minority of bad people in both groups, we need not be tarred with the same brush, or indeed blasted with the same sound. The device is a discriminatory and potentially dangerous weapon, and our campaign will continue until the weapon is removed and this issue is resolved. garethbtomhall
  • Score: 8

10:39pm Tue 8 Jul 14

andrewbromhall@googlemail.com says...

Mr Simon Morris said

We invented Mosquito to solve a small but important problem. Our device has been tested by NHS, AERC, NPL, ISVR, Belgian Health Council and Health Canada to name but a few. It is also priced at a level where only people at their wits end purchase it.

Can he please assure me that this device has been tested on children ie, anyone under the age of 18 (who form part of the target audience} including babies and those with Autism
I awaiting your answer Mr Morris , which I assume with your degree in marketing you are well qualified to answer

Also can you comment on the loudness of the new mark 4 device which I believe can reach 108 decibels and its all ages setting - useful for moving on the homeless - according to CSS

I await your response with great interest
Mr Simon Morris said We invented Mosquito to solve a small but important problem. Our device has been tested by NHS, AERC, NPL, ISVR, Belgian Health Council and Health Canada to name but a few. It is also priced at a level where only people at their wits end purchase it. Can he please assure me that this device has been tested on children ie, anyone under the age of 18 (who form part of the target audience} including babies and those with Autism I awaiting your answer Mr Morris , which I assume with your degree in marketing you are well qualified to answer Also can you comment on the loudness of the new mark 4 device which I believe can reach 108 decibels and its all ages setting - useful for moving on the homeless - according to CSS I await your response with great interest andrewbromhall@googlemail.com
  • Score: 10

12:13am Wed 9 Jul 14

andrewbromhall@googlemail.com says...

Some facts The Mosquito alarm was not tested by AERC - Applied Environmental Research Centre Limited who produced a report commissioned by Compound Security Systems to undertake a review on the legislation associated with noise in the environment . In reading this document I can find no evidence of any actual physical testing of the device , You can see for yourself at the CSS website
I just thought that people should know this .
Some facts The Mosquito alarm was not tested by AERC - Applied Environmental Research Centre Limited who produced a report commissioned by Compound Security Systems to undertake a review on the legislation associated with noise in the environment . In reading this document I can find no evidence of any actual physical testing of the device , You can see for yourself at the CSS website I just thought that people should know this . andrewbromhall@googlemail.com
  • Score: 9

6:25pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Hyper-injunctions says...

Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign.

From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?
Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign. From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad? Hyper-injunctions
  • Score: 7

8:09am Thu 10 Jul 14

Tttoommy says...

Hyper-injunctions wrote:
Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign.

From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?
I think you'll find us old f***s don't use those compooters and such like hence all the "support" votes for your effluent - either that or we're bored with this story.

Lets just move along - or is suggesting that another infringement on your uman rites?
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign. From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find us old f***s don't use those compooters and such like hence all the "support" votes for your effluent - either that or we're bored with this story. Lets just move along - or is suggesting that another infringement on your uman rites? Tttoommy
  • Score: 0

8:46am Thu 10 Jul 14

Bilbo101 says...

Hyper-injunctions wrote:
Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign.

From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?
I think everyone needs to get a grip and put this in perspective. This whole extremely minor event has obviously been completely exaggerated. This is after all private property not public land and the tenants and owners have a right to protect that property. Yes, we all feel sorry for Gareth and his condition but this was a one-off event as a result of a fault with the system which was rectified when it was brought to the attention of the property owners and tenants.

This device sounds like a very non invasive way of removing people from where they have no lawful right to be. It is the perfect solution. However it should not just target the under 25 but should be audible by anyone loitering on the private property. I support these devices but if the Port Authority and tenants do decide to crumble in the face of a very weak arguement and remove these devices then I would recommend they replace them with classical music, the skateboarders and cheap-cider-drinkers will all love that.

We all feel sympathy for Gareth's condition but lets not let that could the issues here, everybody just needs to get a little bit real.

And yes Tttoommy I agree this story is getting really boring now. I think that this story is more about Gareth suporting his skateboarding friends that his obviously over-exaggerated fears of this device. Just stay away from the area after hours, that is my advice, and find somewhere else to drink your cheap crap cider, smash bottles, urinate and cause vandalism, because that is what was happening, this is what this is really all about, the cookie crew are not happy about being moved off their favourite hang-out.
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign. From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?[/p][/quote]I think everyone needs to get a grip and put this in perspective. This whole extremely minor event has obviously been completely exaggerated. This is after all private property not public land and the tenants and owners have a right to protect that property. Yes, we all feel sorry for Gareth and his condition but this was a one-off event as a result of a fault with the system which was rectified when it was brought to the attention of the property owners and tenants. This device sounds like a very non invasive way of removing people from where they have no lawful right to be. It is the perfect solution. However it should not just target the under 25 but should be audible by anyone loitering on the private property. I support these devices but if the Port Authority and tenants do decide to crumble in the face of a very weak arguement and remove these devices then I would recommend they replace them with classical music, the skateboarders and cheap-cider-drinkers will all love that. We all feel sympathy for Gareth's condition but lets not let that could the issues here, everybody just needs to get a little bit real. And yes Tttoommy I agree this story is getting really boring now. I think that this story is more about Gareth suporting his skateboarding friends that his obviously over-exaggerated fears of this device. Just stay away from the area after hours, that is my advice, and find somewhere else to drink your cheap crap cider, smash bottles, urinate and cause vandalism, because that is what was happening, this is what this is really all about, the cookie crew are not happy about being moved off their favourite hang-out. Bilbo101
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Hyper-injunctions says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Hyper-injunctions wrote:
Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign.

From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?
I think you'll find us old f***s don't use those compooters and such like hence all the "support" votes for your effluent - either that or we're bored with this story.

Lets just move along - or is suggesting that another infringement on your uman rites?
Dude, I never mentioned my human rights. And it's not 'us old ****', it's ' you old c***s' .

I'm interested that you pair of richards find this story "boring". Perhaps if Gareth was complaining about the council you pair would be happily chipping in with endless comments about the 'evil JBP'.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign. From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find us old f***s don't use those compooters and such like hence all the "support" votes for your effluent - either that or we're bored with this story. Lets just move along - or is suggesting that another infringement on your uman rites?[/p][/quote]Dude, I never mentioned my human rights. And it's not 'us old ****', it's ' you old c***s' . I'm interested that you pair of richards find this story "boring". Perhaps if Gareth was complaining about the council you pair would be happily chipping in with endless comments about the 'evil JBP'. Hyper-injunctions
  • Score: -2

6:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bilbo101 says...

Hyper-injunctions wrote:
Tttoommy wrote:
Hyper-injunctions wrote:
Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign.

From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?
I think you'll find us old f***s don't use those compooters and such like hence all the "support" votes for your effluent - either that or we're bored with this story.

Lets just move along - or is suggesting that another infringement on your uman rites?
Dude, I never mentioned my human rights. And it's not 'us old ****', it's ' you old c***s' .

I'm interested that you pair of richards find this story "boring". Perhaps if Gareth was complaining about the council you pair would be happily chipping in with endless comments about the 'evil JBP'.
Nothing wrong with that. Better to rant on and raise awareness wherever possible about the abuses of power the going on in County Hall than to get caught up in a non-story about some flipping anti-loitering that some people are claiming is making them frightened to go near havens head business park!

I know the old BPJ rant gets a bit repetitive but it is all in a good cause. The sooner we get rid of BPJ and the IPPG group the better the future state of our council services will be. There are many new people who read these comments each week and become educated to the dodgy dealing's of county hall and I think our rants help raise awareness and make think twice about who they are voting for.

So you find this story interesting do you ? A bit of honesty is required here and less bulls**t. Human rights mya*se! This issue is about protecting private property not public land. Outside business hours the groups of youths should not be on the private land, let alone make the mess and cause the problems that they have been, so in this instance the mosquito device is perfectly legitimate and in not infringing on anybodies human rights.
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-injunctions[/bold] wrote: Andrew and Gareth make some very good points in their posts. I wish them all the best in their campaign. From what I've seen it's the youth that need to be concerned about older adults. Recent news would suggest that everyone over 60 is a paedo. I'm not entirely serious about that, but how do you old timers like it when people generalise in such a negative way? How do you like them apples grandad?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find us old f***s don't use those compooters and such like hence all the "support" votes for your effluent - either that or we're bored with this story. Lets just move along - or is suggesting that another infringement on your uman rites?[/p][/quote]Dude, I never mentioned my human rights. And it's not 'us old ****', it's ' you old c***s' . I'm interested that you pair of richards find this story "boring". Perhaps if Gareth was complaining about the council you pair would be happily chipping in with endless comments about the 'evil JBP'.[/p][/quote]Nothing wrong with that. Better to rant on and raise awareness wherever possible about the abuses of power the going on in County Hall than to get caught up in a non-story about some flipping anti-loitering that some people are claiming is making them frightened to go near havens head business park! I know the old BPJ rant gets a bit repetitive but it is all in a good cause. The sooner we get rid of BPJ and the IPPG group the better the future state of our council services will be. There are many new people who read these comments each week and become educated to the dodgy dealing's of county hall and I think our rants help raise awareness and make think twice about who they are voting for. So you find this story interesting do you ? A bit of honesty is required here and less bulls**t. Human rights mya*se! This issue is about protecting private property not public land. Outside business hours the groups of youths should not be on the private land, let alone make the mess and cause the problems that they have been, so in this instance the mosquito device is perfectly legitimate and in not infringing on anybodies human rights. Bilbo101
  • Score: 1

7:58pm Thu 10 Jul 14

andrewbromhall@googlemail.com says...

To Bilbo 101
This story is not about Gareth Supporting his skateboarding friends or the effect of the Mosquito being over exaggerated . I also suggest if people are bored by it ,Why continue to read and comment on it . Gareth and the campaign have a legitimate concern regarding the safety and legality of these so called anti-loitering devices and also the fact that they do not solve the problem of anti social behavior , only move it to another area . If this really if such an irrelevance why are civil liberty group such as liberty and the council of Europe calling for bans and why have many counties in England already enforced bans on the heinous ' discriminatory device
To Bilbo 101 This story is not about Gareth Supporting his skateboarding friends or the effect of the Mosquito being over exaggerated . I also suggest if people are bored by it ,Why continue to read and comment on it . Gareth and the campaign have a legitimate concern regarding the safety and legality of these so called anti-loitering devices and also the fact that they do not solve the problem of anti social behavior , only move it to another area . If this really if such an irrelevance why are civil liberty group such as liberty and the council of Europe calling for bans and why have many counties in England already enforced bans on the heinous ' discriminatory device andrewbromhall@googlemail.com
  • Score: 3

3:33pm Wed 16 Jul 14

lookfirst says...

I was interested in this campaign but before I sign a petition I always look into the individual of organisation that have posted it.

What I found was that this Gareth character has made a profession of complaining, demonstrating and protesting.

His friends include the infamous Sarah Marshell and his personal politics are as left of centre as you can get.

From what I have read Mr Bromhall is to ill to work but interestingly not ill enough not to spend his days self promoting.

I for one won’t me signing this petition.

Google them before joining them thats my advice.
I was interested in this campaign but before I sign a petition I always look into the individual of organisation that have posted it. What I found was that this Gareth character has made a profession of complaining, demonstrating and protesting. His friends include the infamous Sarah Marshell and his personal politics are as left of centre as you can get. From what I have read Mr Bromhall is to ill to work but interestingly not ill enough not to spend his days self promoting. I for one won’t me signing this petition. Google them before joining them thats my advice. lookfirst
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