BREAKING NEWS: Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones to 'take period of absence'

BREAKING NEWS: Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones to 'take period of absence'

BREAKING NEWS: Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones to 'take period of absence'

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The Leader of Pembrokeshire County Council, Councillor Jamie Adams, has announced that the Chief Executive, Bryn Parry-Jones, is to take a period of absence with immediate effect.

Councillor Adams said: “This decision has been taken in view of the continuing speculation surrounding the Chief Executive’s position.

“It has been reached by mutual agreement between Mr Parry-Jones and myself and I believe is in the best interests of the Authority at the present time.

“There will be no further statements on this matter.”

As Mr Parry-Jones has not been suspended, the Western Telegraph understands that he will still be paid during his period of absence.

Mr Parry-Jones has been under severe pressure for several months due to a series of scandals - including controversy over 'unlawful' pension payments he received, the role he played in the disciplinary procedures of a council officer who later turned out to be a sex offender and a host of education and safeguarding failures.

A new police investigation by Gloucestershire Constabulary into the pension payment controversy is also underway. A previous police investigation found no wrongdoing.

Last week, members of staff at County Hall joined a protest outside the offices against 'the catalogue of failures' under Mr Parry-Jones' leadership.

Cllr Adams has steadfastly supported Mr Parry-Jones throughout and is likely to come under further pressure himself, as a result.

Cllr Adams is leader of the ruling Independent Plus Group on the council.

Leader faces crucial group meeting

The Western Telegraph understands that a meeting of the ruling Independent Plus Group is due to be held - potentially as early as Monday evening - which could be make or break for council leader Cllr Jamie Adams, who has unreservedly backed Bryn Parry-Jones throughout.

Cabinet member Cllr David Simpson has been touted as a potential replacement group leader but he firmly denied that he would stand against Cllr Adams when contacted by the Western Telegraph today (Friday).

He did say, however, that were Cllr Adams to step down he would seriously consider taking on the position.

“I would not oppose Jamie in his role, I would not stand against him but if he deemed to resign I would consider putting my name forward.

"I enjoy my role on cabinet, I have been working on housing for seven or eight years and I love and understand that role. The role of leader is a whole new ball game but if the circumstances were right I would welcome the challenge,” added Cllr Simpson.

 

 

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11:55am Fri 15 Aug 14

Flashbang says...

Do us all a favour Jamie and go with him. Period of absence, is that the best euphemism that you can come up with for being told to hide under a rock until it blows over? If you are not going to issuing any more statements we can only conclude you have a lot more to hide. Jamie, you are as much of a problem as BPJ is.
Do us all a favour Jamie and go with him. Period of absence, is that the best euphemism that you can come up with for being told to hide under a rock until it blows over? If you are not going to issuing any more statements we can only conclude you have a lot more to hide. Jamie, you are as much of a problem as BPJ is. Flashbang
  • Score: 66

12:02pm Fri 15 Aug 14

SM1968 says...

Quite right Flasbang, you can almost hear the snivelling creature that is Adams telling the boss you stay in bed for abit I'll look after you and keep the nasty people away. Jamie you need to go as well you are no better than he is.
Quite right Flasbang, you can almost hear the snivelling creature that is Adams telling the boss you stay in bed for abit I'll look after you and keep the nasty people away. Jamie you need to go as well you are no better than he is. SM1968
  • Score: 46

12:18pm Fri 15 Aug 14

JonnyBlueJeans says...

"A period of absence" ? How long exactly and paid or unpaid? If it's paid will it be on full pay? If he takes full pay he'll be the most expensive public servant sitting at home in the history of Welsh affairs. This whole situation just gets more and more outrageous . Why have a leader of council if he doesn't lead? Jamie your own position is fast becoming a joke, you need to watch out or you'll be next. The sooner the reorganisation of Welsh councils takes place the better it'll be for all of us in Pembrokeshire.
"A period of absence" ? How long exactly and paid or unpaid? If it's paid will it be on full pay? If he takes full pay he'll be the most expensive public servant sitting at home in the history of Welsh affairs. This whole situation just gets more and more outrageous . Why have a leader of council if he doesn't lead? Jamie your own position is fast becoming a joke, you need to watch out or you'll be next. The sooner the reorganisation of Welsh councils takes place the better it'll be for all of us in Pembrokeshire. JonnyBlueJeans
  • Score: 40

12:36pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Leave of absence is simply not good enough, he should be sacked and civil action needs to be taken by our council to recover as much money as possible from this self-serving parasite. Jamie Adams also needs to take a leave of absence and an indefinite one at that! How such a Muppet became leader of our council in the first place is beyond me and how he has managed to cling to power for so long is simply incredible and horrendous embarrassment to our County. Unfortunately our councillors have allowed themselves to be bullied and manipulated for far too long and they now need to show some backbone and restore some integrity our Council by spilling the beans.

In addition a comprehensive investigation needs to take place to unearth the truth behind the long list of rumours of corruption and those found to have broken the law need to face the music.

I don't think that I have ever heard a better description of Jamie Adams than that of SM1968 when he/she described Adams as a "snivelling creature". Adams has been nothing more than Bryn's brown nose tea boy and it is a disgrace that we have been paying him £45,000+ for this. However his financial allowance as leader is a drop in the ocean compared to the staggering amount of tax payers money that Adams has allowed to be squandered in legal and consultants fees supporting Bryn's agenda.

It is my guess that recent revelations are just the tip of the iceberg and that considerably more has been swept under the carpet. Hopefully now many of our councillors and PCC staff will feel able to come out publicly and blow the whistle on all these dodgy dealings.

Progress is being made at last, time to get rid of all the bad apples.
Leave of absence is simply not good enough, he should be sacked and civil action needs to be taken by our council to recover as much money as possible from this self-serving parasite. Jamie Adams also needs to take a leave of absence and an indefinite one at that! How such a Muppet became leader of our council in the first place is beyond me and how he has managed to cling to power for so long is simply incredible and horrendous embarrassment to our County. Unfortunately our councillors have allowed themselves to be bullied and manipulated for far too long and they now need to show some backbone and restore some integrity our Council by spilling the beans. In addition a comprehensive investigation needs to take place to unearth the truth behind the long list of rumours of corruption and those found to have broken the law need to face the music. I don't think that I have ever heard a better description of Jamie Adams than that of SM1968 when he/she described Adams as a "snivelling creature". Adams has been nothing more than Bryn's brown nose tea boy and it is a disgrace that we have been paying him £45,000+ for this. However his financial allowance as leader is a drop in the ocean compared to the staggering amount of tax payers money that Adams has allowed to be squandered in legal and consultants fees supporting Bryn's agenda. It is my guess that recent revelations are just the tip of the iceberg and that considerably more has been swept under the carpet. Hopefully now many of our councillors and PCC staff will feel able to come out publicly and blow the whistle on all these dodgy dealings. Progress is being made at last, time to get rid of all the bad apples. Bilbo101
  • Score: 45

12:58pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

SACK HIM , don't believe his threats of going to Law for constructive dismissal and the council having to pay out loads of dosh, don't allow him to retire due to "ill health", don't give him a golden goodbye.SACK HIM
SACK HIM , don't believe his threats of going to Law for constructive dismissal and the council having to pay out loads of dosh, don't allow him to retire due to "ill health", don't give him a golden goodbye.SACK HIM Tttoommy
  • Score: 43

1:09pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Why have all the previous comments been removed ??? Please put them back as they were all valid.
Why have all the previous comments been removed ??? Please put them back as they were all valid. Bilbo101
  • Score: 17

1:10pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Why have all the previous comments been removed ??? Please put them back as they were all valid.
Temporary glitch I guess, they are all back now :-)
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: Why have all the previous comments been removed ??? Please put them back as they were all valid.[/p][/quote]Temporary glitch I guess, they are all back now :-) Bilbo101
  • Score: 6

1:44pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

What qualifications or experience does Jamie Adams have, he should have suspended him months ago so do us all a favour and get in the passengers seat of the Porsche and go into the wilderness.
BPJ has you round his little finger you should have had the balls to suspend him.
Jamie and the IPPG now your exposed do us all a favour and resign en block
BPJ long term sick and a payoff hope not.
What qualifications or experience does Jamie Adams have, he should have suspended him months ago so do us all a favour and get in the passengers seat of the Porsche and go into the wilderness. BPJ has you round his little finger you should have had the balls to suspend him. Jamie and the IPPG now your exposed do us all a favour and resign en block BPJ long term sick and a payoff hope not. Welshman23
  • Score: 25

1:49pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

I hope you remove the insurance perk on his Porsche as he is not in work, remove remote access to his e mail system.
The people in the Kremlin must have a sense of relief and perhaps they will become whistleblowers.
Let's hope all the authorities looking into PCC turn up in their masses to investigate this shower.
I hope you remove the insurance perk on his Porsche as he is not in work, remove remote access to his e mail system. The people in the Kremlin must have a sense of relief and perhaps they will become whistleblowers. Let's hope all the authorities looking into PCC turn up in their masses to investigate this shower. Welshman23
  • Score: 28

1:53pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

JonnyBlueJeans wrote:
"A period of absence" ? How long exactly and paid or unpaid? If it's paid will it be on full pay? If he takes full pay he'll be the most expensive public servant sitting at home in the history of Welsh affairs. This whole situation just gets more and more outrageous . Why have a leader of council if he doesn't lead? Jamie your own position is fast becoming a joke, you need to watch out or you'll be next. The sooner the reorganisation of Welsh councils takes place the better it'll be for all of us in Pembrokeshire.
Perhaps he should do light duties , emptying the bins , or in the tip in Merlins Bridge .
I have always said the truth will prevail.
[quote][p][bold]JonnyBlueJeans[/bold] wrote: "A period of absence" ? How long exactly and paid or unpaid? If it's paid will it be on full pay? If he takes full pay he'll be the most expensive public servant sitting at home in the history of Welsh affairs. This whole situation just gets more and more outrageous . Why have a leader of council if he doesn't lead? Jamie your own position is fast becoming a joke, you need to watch out or you'll be next. The sooner the reorganisation of Welsh councils takes place the better it'll be for all of us in Pembrokeshire.[/p][/quote]Perhaps he should do light duties , emptying the bins , or in the tip in Merlins Bridge . I have always said the truth will prevail. Welshman23
  • Score: 22

2:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Hope were getting somewhere at last lots more to uncover I am sure, hope he has to pay back everything with interest, including fees paid to the barrister, and give back his Porche. Jamie go back to what you know best farming, and dont meddle in polotics.
Hope were getting somewhere at last lots more to uncover I am sure, hope he has to pay back everything with interest, including fees paid to the barrister, and give back his Porche. Jamie go back to what you know best farming, and dont meddle in polotics. seaveiw
  • Score: 26

2:17pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Harrygrayballs says...

One down one to go..................
One down one to go.................. Harrygrayballs
  • Score: 26

2:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Surely the should be an emergency meeting of the councillors to determine who takes over the reigns in BPJ absence. I hope they appoint someone outside who is able to shake this Council.
Will there be enough desks in the Kremlin with all the Investigators decending on the Kremlin.

On Friday, council leader Jamie Adams announced that Mr Parry-Jones would take a period of absence.

"This decision has been taken in view of the continuing speculation surrounding the chief executive's position," he said.

"It has been reached by mutual agreement between Mr Parry-Jones and myself and I believe is in the best interests of the authority at the present time.

"There will be no further statements on this matter."

The matter revolves around an investigation by the Wales Audit Office.
Surely the should be an emergency meeting of the councillors to determine who takes over the reigns in BPJ absence. I hope they appoint someone outside who is able to shake this Council. Will there be enough desks in the Kremlin with all the Investigators decending on the Kremlin. On Friday, council leader Jamie Adams announced that Mr Parry-Jones would take a period of absence. "This decision has been taken in view of the continuing speculation surrounding the chief executive's position," he said. "It has been reached by mutual agreement between Mr Parry-Jones and myself and I believe is in the best interests of the authority at the present time. "There will be no further statements on this matter." The matter revolves around an investigation by the Wales Audit Office. Welshman23
  • Score: 16

2:25pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Rockface says...

Harrygrayballs wrote:
One down one to go..................
Two to go…. let's not forget Cllr George!!!
[quote][p][bold]Harrygrayballs[/bold] wrote: One down one to go..................[/p][/quote]Two to go…. let's not forget Cllr George!!! Rockface
  • Score: 21

2:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Harrygrayballs says...

@Rockface. There are a few other names that one could
put "in the frame" but I am sure one more to go would be o,k,
for the time being!!!
@Rockface. There are a few other names that one could put "in the frame" but I am sure one more to go would be o,k, for the time being!!! Harrygrayballs
  • Score: 13

2:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

hardcheese says...

"Mr Parry-Jones has not been suspended, the Western Telegraph understands that he will still be paid during his period of absence".

I can't believe what I have read, Bryn Parry-Jones has no respect from the people of Pembrokeshire.. HE MUST GO NOW !!!!!!
"Mr Parry-Jones has not been suspended, the Western Telegraph understands that he will still be paid during his period of absence". I can't believe what I have read, Bryn Parry-Jones has no respect from the people of Pembrokeshire.. HE MUST GO NOW !!!!!! hardcheese
  • Score: 22

2:42pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

It's just "leave of absence" , It's not being suspended or "garden leave"
Am I the only one who after a couple of hours of euphoria have started thinking is this just smoke blown up *** ****s until this anger has subsided somewhat ?
BPJ may not be in the office, but his influence may well still be felt - e-mails,phone calls, bullying from a distance ....................
... :(
It's just "leave of absence" , It's not being suspended or "garden leave" Am I the only one who after a couple of hours of euphoria have started thinking is this just smoke blown up *** ****s until this anger has subsided somewhat ? BPJ may not be in the office, but his influence may well still be felt - e-mails,phone calls, bullying from a distance .................... ... :( Tttoommy
  • Score: 24

3:34pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ladybench says...

Rockface wrote:
Harrygrayballs wrote:
One down one to go..................
Two to go…. let's not forget Cllr George!!!
Three to go don't forget (Lewis the envelope)
[quote][p][bold]Rockface[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harrygrayballs[/bold] wrote: One down one to go..................[/p][/quote]Two to go…. let's not forget Cllr George!!![/p][/quote]Three to go don't forget (Lewis the envelope) ladybench
  • Score: 18

3:35pm Fri 15 Aug 14

quentin says...

Looks like the beginning of the end for a few others too who are tarred with the same brush.
Looks like the beginning of the end for a few others too who are tarred with the same brush. quentin
  • Score: 17

3:37pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ladybench says...

There's a few more in the cabinet that need there collar's felt.
There's a few more in the cabinet that need there collar's felt. ladybench
  • Score: 11

3:39pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Pembrokeshireboy72 says...

Again, PCc is in the national news - and not for a good reason.

If PCC was not a public body but a private business, Bryn and Jamie would have been sacked months back for bringing the company into disrepute.

It's not so much the fact that these two are still in their job that sickens me, it's the fact that their pay (and all the perks that come with it) come out of my hard-earned cash. I work my guts out, struggling to earn a basic living while these two arrogant turds are no doubt gloating.

"Oh, but it's their right..." - what about MY rights, like good 'ole honesty, decency and integrity in public office.
Again, PCc is in the national news - and not for a good reason. If PCC was not a public body but a private business, Bryn and Jamie would have been sacked months back for bringing the company into disrepute. It's not so much the fact that these two are still in their job that sickens me, it's the fact that their pay (and all the perks that come with it) come out of my hard-earned cash. I work my guts out, struggling to earn a basic living while these two arrogant turds are no doubt gloating. "Oh, but it's their right..." - what about MY rights, like good 'ole honesty, decency and integrity in public office. Pembrokeshireboy72
  • Score: 29

5:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

I hope Farmer Adams is not part of the negotiating team when it comes to negotiating BPJ severance pay. He will give away the Crown Jewels and will ensure he gets a pay off.
Do us a favour Jamie I think your wedding anniversary shortly take your good lady away for a holiday she along with your close family must be stressed out after what you have put them through over recent months.
Do yourself a favour you are not a political person, so cut your losses while you can, let someone else control the council someone who has a track record and will not be manipulated.
Sorry I am working other wise I would help put the P (Proud) back into Pembrokeshire.
I hope Farmer Adams is not part of the negotiating team when it comes to negotiating BPJ severance pay. He will give away the Crown Jewels and will ensure he gets a pay off. Do us a favour Jamie I think your wedding anniversary shortly take your good lady away for a holiday she along with your close family must be stressed out after what you have put them through over recent months. Do yourself a favour you are not a political person, so cut your losses while you can, let someone else control the council someone who has a track record and will not be manipulated. Sorry I am working other wise I would help put the P (Proud) back into Pembrokeshire. Welshman23
  • Score: 11

5:44pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

ladybench wrote:
There's a few more in the cabinet that need there collar's felt.
Oh yes shall I start the list.
I sent an e mail to my local councillor for his take on what was going on in PCC, he sent an e mail to say he was away, heard nothing from him a complete waste of space and £12k. He thinks he is invincible.
Dream on Councillor.
[quote][p][bold]ladybench[/bold] wrote: There's a few more in the cabinet that need there collar's felt.[/p][/quote]Oh yes shall I start the list. I sent an e mail to my local councillor for his take on what was going on in PCC, he sent an e mail to say he was away, heard nothing from him a complete waste of space and £12k. He thinks he is invincible. Dream on Councillor. Welshman23
  • Score: 10

5:55pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

I never thought we would see today, it’s the start of the revolution, I would like to thank everyone that has commented or written to every department seeking advice and assistance.
You are all a credit to Pembrokeshire and let’s hope you will stand at the next elections.
And finally Jacob and Old Grumpy a sincere thank you for your efforts, true Pembrokeshire people.
Diolch yn fawr.
I never thought we would see today, it’s the start of the revolution, I would like to thank everyone that has commented or written to every department seeking advice and assistance. You are all a credit to Pembrokeshire and let’s hope you will stand at the next elections. And finally Jacob and Old Grumpy a sincere thank you for your efforts, true Pembrokeshire people. Diolch yn fawr. Welshman23
  • Score: 15

5:58pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Well done to both councillors, but disappointed the vote was in May and it’s now August. Through this site they could explain why it has taken them so long to bring this to front.
Why did they speak to the Herald.

Council scoops don’t come more shocking (and there have been many) than the Herald’s revelation this morning that Cllrs. Mark Edwards and Peter Morgan – both members of the ruling group – were subjected to a foul-mouthed tirade by Mr. Parry-Jones after they both voted on May 1st to support my own council proposal that he be asked to voluntarily return the sums of cash he received under the unlawful pension opt-out scheme.

Cllrs. Edwards and Morgan have gone on the record as saying the chief executive was “absolutely bouncing” when they went into his office one afternoon following the Mayday vote.

The duo – both businessmen – claim their attendance wasn’t following a request from the chief executive but after being told by the ruling group’s secretary, deputy leader Cllr. Rob Lewis, that Mr. Parry-Jones was “very unhappy” at the way they had voted, and suggested they ought to go and see him to get things “smoothed over.”

When asked by the Herald about the chief executive’s choice of language during his seething outburst, former Wales international and British Lions legend Cllr. Morgan – who isn’t known to mince his words himself – is reported as saying “Well you can imagine.”

Cllr. Edwards claims that during the belligerent brush “Bryn was swearing a lot, effing and blinding. He was clearly angry and upset at what happened.”
Well done to both councillors, but disappointed the vote was in May and it’s now August. Through this site they could explain why it has taken them so long to bring this to front. Why did they speak to the Herald. Council scoops don’t come more shocking (and there have been many) than the Herald’s revelation this morning that Cllrs. Mark Edwards and Peter Morgan – both members of the ruling group – were subjected to a foul-mouthed tirade by Mr. Parry-Jones after they both voted on May 1st to support my own council proposal that he be asked to voluntarily return the sums of cash he received under the unlawful pension opt-out scheme. Cllrs. Edwards and Morgan have gone on the record as saying the chief executive was “absolutely bouncing” when they went into his office one afternoon following the Mayday vote. The duo – both businessmen – claim their attendance wasn’t following a request from the chief executive but after being told by the ruling group’s secretary, deputy leader Cllr. Rob Lewis, that Mr. Parry-Jones was “very unhappy” at the way they had voted, and suggested they ought to go and see him to get things “smoothed over.” When asked by the Herald about the chief executive’s choice of language during his seething outburst, former Wales international and British Lions legend Cllr. Morgan – who isn’t known to mince his words himself – is reported as saying “Well you can imagine.” Cllr. Edwards claims that during the belligerent brush “Bryn was swearing a lot, effing and blinding. He was clearly angry and upset at what happened.” Welshman23
  • Score: 8

6:30pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

I had a read of OldGrumpy's article on the matter ( see : OldGrumpy.co.uk ) and it would appear that even up until last night Cllr Peter Morgan was still trying to protect his "friend" Bryn Parry-Jones and had insisted that the meeting with himself , Cllr Mark Edwards and Bryn Parry-Jones had been amicable and it would seem that only when Cllr Peter Morgan had found out that Mark Edward had spilt the beans and told the truth did Peter Morgan then change his story. I am not sure exactly what the truth is here but is appears that there has been a far too cosy relationship between the Chief-Exec and certain IPPG councillor for a long time now ( as if we did not know already ) and that is not healthy for the running of our council.

I had been wondering for some time why our councillors were so happy to lavish large amounts of tax payers money on boosting Bryn's salary and benefits and now I am starting to understand why. If the reports in Old Grumpy's recent article are to believed then it would seem that certain councillors and Bryn Parry-Jones considered each other personal friends even to the extent that Cllr Peter Morgan was invited to Bryn's lavish dinner parties.

It all stinks, but it will all come out in the wash, hopefully! Maybe at last we might start to get a bit of honesty from our Councillors.
I had a read of OldGrumpy's article on the matter ( see : OldGrumpy.co.uk ) and it would appear that even up until last night Cllr Peter Morgan was still trying to protect his "friend" Bryn Parry-Jones and had insisted that the meeting with himself , Cllr Mark Edwards and Bryn Parry-Jones had been amicable and it would seem that only when Cllr Peter Morgan had found out that Mark Edward had spilt the beans and told the truth did Peter Morgan then change his story. I am not sure exactly what the truth is here but is appears that there has been a far too cosy relationship between the Chief-Exec and certain IPPG councillor for a long time now ( as if we did not know already ) and that is not healthy for the running of our council. I had been wondering for some time why our councillors were so happy to lavish large amounts of tax payers money on boosting Bryn's salary and benefits and now I am starting to understand why. If the reports in Old Grumpy's recent article are to believed then it would seem that certain councillors and Bryn Parry-Jones considered each other personal friends even to the extent that Cllr Peter Morgan was invited to Bryn's lavish dinner parties. It all stinks, but it will all come out in the wash, hopefully! Maybe at last we might start to get a bit of honesty from our Councillors. Bilbo101
  • Score: 19

6:37pm Fri 15 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Welshman23 wrote:
I never thought we would see today, it’s the start of the revolution, I would like to thank everyone that has commented or written to every department seeking advice and assistance.
You are all a credit to Pembrokeshire and let’s hope you will stand at the next elections.
And finally Jacob and Old Grumpy a sincere thank you for your efforts, true Pembrokeshire people.
Diolch yn fawr.
seems we have had some influence at last, perhaps the other person involved in the pension plot should stand aside too. some one i dont recognise just on tv said he has done the honourable thing and stood aside, honourable my ...... he had no choice. The council must implement a independent review to investigate all the aspects of the maladministration that have been carried out.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: I never thought we would see today, it’s the start of the revolution, I would like to thank everyone that has commented or written to every department seeking advice and assistance. You are all a credit to Pembrokeshire and let’s hope you will stand at the next elections. And finally Jacob and Old Grumpy a sincere thank you for your efforts, true Pembrokeshire people. Diolch yn fawr.[/p][/quote]seems we have had some influence at last, perhaps the other person involved in the pension plot should stand aside too. some one i dont recognise just on tv said he has done the honourable thing and stood aside, honourable my ...... he had no choice. The council must implement a independent review to investigate all the aspects of the maladministration that have been carried out. seaveiw
  • Score: 13

6:47pm Fri 15 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
I had a read of OldGrumpy's article on the matter ( see : OldGrumpy.co.uk ) and it would appear that even up until last night Cllr Peter Morgan was still trying to protect his "friend" Bryn Parry-Jones and had insisted that the meeting with himself , Cllr Mark Edwards and Bryn Parry-Jones had been amicable and it would seem that only when Cllr Peter Morgan had found out that Mark Edward had spilt the beans and told the truth did Peter Morgan then change his story. I am not sure exactly what the truth is here but is appears that there has been a far too cosy relationship between the Chief-Exec and certain IPPG councillor for a long time now ( as if we did not know already ) and that is not healthy for the running of our council.

I had been wondering for some time why our councillors were so happy to lavish large amounts of tax payers money on boosting Bryn's salary and benefits and now I am starting to understand why. If the reports in Old Grumpy's recent article are to believed then it would seem that certain councillors and Bryn Parry-Jones considered each other personal friends even to the extent that Cllr Peter Morgan was invited to Bryn's lavish dinner parties.

It all stinks, but it will all come out in the wash, hopefully! Maybe at last we might start to get a bit of honesty from our Councillors.
so Peter is/was his mate,had a feeling that was so but it just shows how undemocratic are some of our voted in councillors. Hope more truly honest people put themselves up for election(if there is another one) before the amalgamation of authorities.
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: I had a read of OldGrumpy's article on the matter ( see : OldGrumpy.co.uk ) and it would appear that even up until last night Cllr Peter Morgan was still trying to protect his "friend" Bryn Parry-Jones and had insisted that the meeting with himself , Cllr Mark Edwards and Bryn Parry-Jones had been amicable and it would seem that only when Cllr Peter Morgan had found out that Mark Edward had spilt the beans and told the truth did Peter Morgan then change his story. I am not sure exactly what the truth is here but is appears that there has been a far too cosy relationship between the Chief-Exec and certain IPPG councillor for a long time now ( as if we did not know already ) and that is not healthy for the running of our council. I had been wondering for some time why our councillors were so happy to lavish large amounts of tax payers money on boosting Bryn's salary and benefits and now I am starting to understand why. If the reports in Old Grumpy's recent article are to believed then it would seem that certain councillors and Bryn Parry-Jones considered each other personal friends even to the extent that Cllr Peter Morgan was invited to Bryn's lavish dinner parties. It all stinks, but it will all come out in the wash, hopefully! Maybe at last we might start to get a bit of honesty from our Councillors.[/p][/quote]so Peter is/was his mate,had a feeling that was so but it just shows how undemocratic are some of our voted in councillors. Hope more truly honest people put themselves up for election(if there is another one) before the amalgamation of authorities. seaveiw
  • Score: 10

6:56pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Gogledd says...

Never seen so many comments......oooooo
oh Goodie!!
Never seen so many comments......oooooo oh Goodie!! Gogledd
  • Score: 7

7:08pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Martin Lewis says...

Welshman23 wrote:
ladybench wrote:
There's a few more in the cabinet that need there collar's felt.
Oh yes shall I start the list.
I sent an e mail to my local councillor for his take on what was going on in PCC, he sent an e mail to say he was away, heard nothing from him a complete waste of space and £12k. He thinks he is invincible.
Dream on Councillor.
Who's your councillor Welshman? I've just moved from Neyland (Simon Hancock) to Pembroke Dock (Brian Hall) talk about out of the frying pan.....
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ladybench[/bold] wrote: There's a few more in the cabinet that need there collar's felt.[/p][/quote]Oh yes shall I start the list. I sent an e mail to my local councillor for his take on what was going on in PCC, he sent an e mail to say he was away, heard nothing from him a complete waste of space and £12k. He thinks he is invincible. Dream on Councillor.[/p][/quote]Who's your councillor Welshman? I've just moved from Neyland (Simon Hancock) to Pembroke Dock (Brian Hall) talk about out of the frying pan..... Martin Lewis
  • Score: 6

7:16pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Cymru bach says...

Period of absence. - ON FULL PAY! Unbelievable!

The authority goes from bad to worse.

Cllr Adams should step down.

The Council should be disbanded with fresh elections held throughout the County.

WAG should bring people in to run the County in the interim.
Period of absence. - ON FULL PAY! Unbelievable! The authority goes from bad to worse. Cllr Adams should step down. The Council should be disbanded with fresh elections held throughout the County. WAG should bring people in to run the County in the interim. Cymru bach
  • Score: 11

7:19pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

It is time for the whole cabinet to be disbanded and new elections held asap as it is more than clear that this old boys network have been feathering their own nests and awarding themselves pay rises and brown nosing Bryn instead of doing their jobs and looking after the interests of Pembrokeshire People.

The council needs to make £20 Million of savings over the next 3 years and perhaps now they can start making cuts at the top before they start hitting the services of the old and infirm. And whilst I am on that subject, the Chairman has recently had a nice new pay rise thanks to his IPPG chums. Time for change people, these self serving parasites need to be hung out to dry ;-) Justice at last maybe on the horizon....
It is time for the whole cabinet to be disbanded and new elections held asap as it is more than clear that this old boys network have been feathering their own nests and awarding themselves pay rises and brown nosing Bryn instead of doing their jobs and looking after the interests of Pembrokeshire People. The council needs to make £20 Million of savings over the next 3 years and perhaps now they can start making cuts at the top before they start hitting the services of the old and infirm. And whilst I am on that subject, the Chairman has recently had a nice new pay rise thanks to his IPPG chums. Time for change people, these self serving parasites need to be hung out to dry ;-) Justice at last maybe on the horizon.... Bilbo101
  • Score: 14

7:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Councillor Williams are you trying to come clean to save face.
I applaud your honesty, but if you were already aware of his track record during the interview process were other people on the selection panel, and why was this not taken into consideration during the interview process.
The comment below are from the Herald.
Pembrokeshire Herald the number 1 paper in Pembrokeshire. Good on you..

The Herald was contacted this morning by Cllr Mike Williams, leader of the Plaid Cymru group, who said:

“Without your efforts there can be little doubt that the shenanigans of County Hall would not have become so publicly known.

“I have to plead guilty as one of the original members who appointed Mr Parry Jones to his current role in 1995, despite being aware that Carmarthen had failed to appoint him, and having received numerous phone calls from then members of Llanelli Council, who up until then had employed Mr Parry Jones warning me that he had been a disaster with them, and pointing out his autocratic verging on arrogant management style.
Councillor Williams are you trying to come clean to save face. I applaud your honesty, but if you were already aware of his track record during the interview process were other people on the selection panel, and why was this not taken into consideration during the interview process. The comment below are from the Herald. Pembrokeshire Herald the number 1 paper in Pembrokeshire. Good on you.. The Herald was contacted this morning by Cllr Mike Williams, leader of the Plaid Cymru group, who said: “Without your efforts there can be little doubt that the shenanigans of County Hall would not have become so publicly known. “I have to plead guilty as one of the original members who appointed Mr Parry Jones to his current role in 1995, despite being aware that Carmarthen had failed to appoint him, and having received numerous phone calls from then members of Llanelli Council, who up until then had employed Mr Parry Jones warning me that he had been a disaster with them, and pointing out his autocratic verging on arrogant management style. Welshman23
  • Score: 6

8:49pm Fri 15 Aug 14

South of the Landsker says...

Lets hope that this is the start of the end, how many IPPG are now going to jump ship and have selective recall, at least we have the recorded votes to check back on.
I worry for the likes of Cllr David 'who do I vote for now' Neale and Cllr Rob 'which computers do I use' Lewis, no guidance from Cllr Jamie 'outcomes not process' Adams as he is under siege himself. He has blindly supported the CEO for months. Lets hope that openness and transparency will now actually be put into operation rather than just talked about.
Lets hope that this is the start of the end, how many IPPG are now going to jump ship and have selective recall, at least we have the recorded votes to check back on. I worry for the likes of Cllr David 'who do I vote for now' Neale and Cllr Rob 'which computers do I use' Lewis, no guidance from Cllr Jamie 'outcomes not process' Adams as he is under siege himself. He has blindly supported the CEO for months. Lets hope that openness and transparency will now actually be put into operation rather than just talked about. South of the Landsker
  • Score: 11

9:14pm Fri 15 Aug 14

pembrokedock123 says...

today change has come to America - sorry, I mean to Pembrokeshire

it is reassuring that even in Pembrokeshire right can sometimes win over might

and as for Jamie Adams comment "There will be no further statements on this matter.” - he's wrong yet again, there will be many many more statements to come - this is not the end, but it is the beginning of the end

well done to Cllrs Miller, Stoddard, the council unions and others who stood up to the bullying and were just persistent against the odds to get here, don't stop now, still work to do ...
today change has come to America - sorry, I mean to Pembrokeshire it is reassuring that even in Pembrokeshire right can sometimes win over might and as for Jamie Adams comment "There will be no further statements on this matter.” - he's wrong yet again, there will be many many more statements to come - this is not the end, but it is the beginning of the end well done to Cllrs Miller, Stoddard, the council unions and others who stood up to the bullying and were just persistent against the odds to get here, don't stop now, still work to do ... pembrokedock123
  • Score: 14

9:18pm Fri 15 Aug 14

pembrokedock123 says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
Leave of absence is simply not good enough, he should be sacked and civil action needs to be taken by our council to recover as much money as possible from this self-serving parasite. Jamie Adams also needs to take a leave of absence and an indefinite one at that! How such a Muppet became leader of our council in the first place is beyond me and how he has managed to cling to power for so long is simply incredible and horrendous embarrassment to our County. Unfortunately our councillors have allowed themselves to be bullied and manipulated for far too long and they now need to show some backbone and restore some integrity our Council by spilling the beans.

In addition a comprehensive investigation needs to take place to unearth the truth behind the long list of rumours of corruption and those found to have broken the law need to face the music.

I don't think that I have ever heard a better description of Jamie Adams than that of SM1968 when he/she described Adams as a "snivelling creature". Adams has been nothing more than Bryn's brown nose tea boy and it is a disgrace that we have been paying him £45,000+ for this. However his financial allowance as leader is a drop in the ocean compared to the staggering amount of tax payers money that Adams has allowed to be squandered in legal and consultants fees supporting Bryn's agenda.

It is my guess that recent revelations are just the tip of the iceberg and that considerably more has been swept under the carpet. Hopefully now many of our councillors and PCC staff will feel able to come out publicly and blow the whistle on all these dodgy dealings.

Progress is being made at last, time to get rid of all the bad apples.
bilbo101 said "we have been paying him £45,000+ "
do you really mean Jamie Adams gets £45,000+ ?
that is outrageous
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: Leave of absence is simply not good enough, he should be sacked and civil action needs to be taken by our council to recover as much money as possible from this self-serving parasite. Jamie Adams also needs to take a leave of absence and an indefinite one at that! How such a Muppet became leader of our council in the first place is beyond me and how he has managed to cling to power for so long is simply incredible and horrendous embarrassment to our County. Unfortunately our councillors have allowed themselves to be bullied and manipulated for far too long and they now need to show some backbone and restore some integrity our Council by spilling the beans. In addition a comprehensive investigation needs to take place to unearth the truth behind the long list of rumours of corruption and those found to have broken the law need to face the music. I don't think that I have ever heard a better description of Jamie Adams than that of SM1968 when he/she described Adams as a "snivelling creature". Adams has been nothing more than Bryn's brown nose tea boy and it is a disgrace that we have been paying him £45,000+ for this. However his financial allowance as leader is a drop in the ocean compared to the staggering amount of tax payers money that Adams has allowed to be squandered in legal and consultants fees supporting Bryn's agenda. It is my guess that recent revelations are just the tip of the iceberg and that considerably more has been swept under the carpet. Hopefully now many of our councillors and PCC staff will feel able to come out publicly and blow the whistle on all these dodgy dealings. Progress is being made at last, time to get rid of all the bad apples.[/p][/quote]bilbo101 said "we have been paying him £45,000+ " do you really mean Jamie Adams gets £45,000+ ? that is outrageous pembrokedock123
  • Score: 6

9:28pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Cymru bach says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Councillor Williams are you trying to come clean to save face.
I applaud your honesty, but if you were already aware of his track record during the interview process were other people on the selection panel, and why was this not taken into consideration during the interview process.
The comment below are from the Herald.
Pembrokeshire Herald the number 1 paper in Pembrokeshire. Good on you..

The Herald was contacted this morning by Cllr Mike Williams, leader of the Plaid Cymru group, who said:

“Without your efforts there can be little doubt that the shenanigans of County Hall would not have become so publicly known.

“I have to plead guilty as one of the original members who appointed Mr Parry Jones to his current role in 1995, despite being aware that Carmarthen had failed to appoint him, and having received numerous phone calls from then members of Llanelli Council, who up until then had employed Mr Parry Jones warning me that he had been a disaster with them, and pointing out his autocratic verging on arrogant management style.
Unbelievable Cllr Williams!

You've kept very quiet about this. Along with the ruling IPG one has to ask very serious questions about some members of the 'opposition'.

The judgement shown above raises serious questions as to whether the current 'opposition' is any better suited to running the authority.

We need new elections to start again. - URGENTLY.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Councillor Williams are you trying to come clean to save face. I applaud your honesty, but if you were already aware of his track record during the interview process were other people on the selection panel, and why was this not taken into consideration during the interview process. The comment below are from the Herald. Pembrokeshire Herald the number 1 paper in Pembrokeshire. Good on you.. The Herald was contacted this morning by Cllr Mike Williams, leader of the Plaid Cymru group, who said: “Without your efforts there can be little doubt that the shenanigans of County Hall would not have become so publicly known. “I have to plead guilty as one of the original members who appointed Mr Parry Jones to his current role in 1995, despite being aware that Carmarthen had failed to appoint him, and having received numerous phone calls from then members of Llanelli Council, who up until then had employed Mr Parry Jones warning me that he had been a disaster with them, and pointing out his autocratic verging on arrogant management style.[/p][/quote]Unbelievable Cllr Williams! You've kept very quiet about this. Along with the ruling IPG one has to ask very serious questions about some members of the 'opposition'. The judgement shown above raises serious questions as to whether the current 'opposition' is any better suited to running the authority. We need new elections to start again. - URGENTLY. Cymru bach
  • Score: 7

9:36pm Fri 15 Aug 14

pembrokedock123 says...

Bilbo101 also said "The council needs to make £20 Million of savings over the next 3 years and perhaps now they can start making cuts at the top before they start hitting the services of the old and infirm."

This is so true, Pembrokeshire has an above average proportion of elderly population as our people do not move away to retire elsewhere and other people come here to retire. Yet our services for old people are dire to non existent. All savings from now on should go to building up services for our older people, whether or not they were mason or farmers in their earlier life. Then my vote in next council elections will go to whoever has a proper plan and funding for older people's services, even to the extent of putting up the council tax to fund this and not boasting we have lowest council tax in Wales, that's why we have some of the worst services.
Bilbo101 also said "The council needs to make £20 Million of savings over the next 3 years and perhaps now they can start making cuts at the top before they start hitting the services of the old and infirm." This is so true, Pembrokeshire has an above average proportion of elderly population as our people do not move away to retire elsewhere and other people come here to retire. Yet our services for old people are dire to non existent. All savings from now on should go to building up services for our older people, whether or not they were mason or farmers in their earlier life. Then my vote in next council elections will go to whoever has a proper plan and funding for older people's services, even to the extent of putting up the council tax to fund this and not boasting we have lowest council tax in Wales, that's why we have some of the worst services. pembrokedock123
  • Score: 6

9:52pm Fri 15 Aug 14

pembrokedock123 says...

Cymru bach yn dweud "WAG should bring people in to run the County in the interim."
To me this is still one of the big mysteries of the whole situation - why the Welsh Government has sat by and let it all unfold without stepping in - what have they got against the people of Pembrokeshire that they would not come and help? but not too late though as now would be a very good time to put in Commissioners to run the council as there is bound to be a hiatus in decision making without a Chief Exec and with a majority group having lost public confidence
Cymru bach yn dweud "WAG should bring people in to run the County in the interim." To me this is still one of the big mysteries of the whole situation - why the Welsh Government has sat by and let it all unfold without stepping in - what have they got against the people of Pembrokeshire that they would not come and help? but not too late though as now would be a very good time to put in Commissioners to run the council as there is bound to be a hiatus in decision making without a Chief Exec and with a majority group having lost public confidence pembrokedock123
  • Score: -1

10:09pm Fri 15 Aug 14

quentin says...

pembrokedock123 wrote:
Cymru bach yn dweud "WAG should bring people in to run the County in the interim."
To me this is still one of the big mysteries of the whole situation - why the Welsh Government has sat by and let it all unfold without stepping in - what have they got against the people of Pembrokeshire that they would not come and help? but not too late though as now would be a very good time to put in Commissioners to run the council as there is bound to be a hiatus in decision making without a Chief Exec and with a majority group having lost public confidence
It's only due to our neighbours "up the road" that we have this shower in Cardiff anyway. They are no more use to Pembrokeshire than the crowd in County Hall.
[quote][p][bold]pembrokedock123[/bold] wrote: Cymru bach yn dweud "WAG should bring people in to run the County in the interim." To me this is still one of the big mysteries of the whole situation - why the Welsh Government has sat by and let it all unfold without stepping in - what have they got against the people of Pembrokeshire that they would not come and help? but not too late though as now would be a very good time to put in Commissioners to run the council as there is bound to be a hiatus in decision making without a Chief Exec and with a majority group having lost public confidence[/p][/quote]It's only due to our neighbours "up the road" that we have this shower in Cardiff anyway. They are no more use to Pembrokeshire than the crowd in County Hall. quentin
  • Score: 7

12:50am Sat 16 Aug 14

Flashbang says...

At the IPPG's secret meeting on Monday there should only be one topic after stripping Jamie of the leadership. Sack BPJ for gross misconduct in the fact that he was bullying and intimidating two of his employers (Edwards and Morgan) at a private meeting. There should be no golden parachute, just instant dismissal.
At the IPPG's secret meeting on Monday there should only be one topic after stripping Jamie of the leadership. Sack BPJ for gross misconduct in the fact that he was bullying and intimidating two of his employers (Edwards and Morgan) at a private meeting. There should be no golden parachute, just instant dismissal. Flashbang
  • Score: 12

3:57am Sat 16 Aug 14

Kiwitaff says...

What is the difference between suspension on full pay and leave of absence on full pay? The people of Pembrokeshire have had to tolerate an inferior public service that has been run by overpaid senior managers.
I agree with Flash that BPJ should be sacked for gross misconduct and he and others may also face criminal charges for the misappropriation of public money and tax evasion.
What is the difference between suspension on full pay and leave of absence on full pay? The people of Pembrokeshire have had to tolerate an inferior public service that has been run by overpaid senior managers. I agree with Flash that BPJ should be sacked for gross misconduct and he and others may also face criminal charges for the misappropriation of public money and tax evasion. Kiwitaff
  • Score: 6

7:43am Sat 16 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
I never thought we would see today, it’s the start of the revolution, I would like to thank everyone that has commented or written to every department seeking advice and assistance.
You are all a credit to Pembrokeshire and let’s hope you will stand at the next elections.
And finally Jacob and Old Grumpy a sincere thank you for your efforts, true Pembrokeshire people.
Diolch yn fawr.
Apologies I missed out Paul Miller and the unions who had the courage to organise last weeks demonstration.
Is someone going to take over on a temp basis in BPJ absence God forbid if this person is selected by the IPPG members.
I hear next Monday IPPG meeting is a guarded secret and the members will be told I only hours before were it's being held.
BPJ I hope he has had his keys for the Kremlin taken back and he is suffering for the way he has treated his staff and Pembrokeshire people.
Sue Thomas was a whistle blower and was sacked by the council, I hope someone has the courage to re open her case and either apologise in public or reinstate her.
I wonder how many other council employes have been bullied and eventually forced to leave PCC.
All the IPPG councillors I hope yesterday's news will pull you to your senses and do the job you are paid for, that is representing your constituents, and not follow your leader like sheep.
I hope some common sense will prevail.
Final point I know Mark Edwards and I ask the questuion if you had treated one of your staff like BPJ treated you then I am sure you would have been taken for bullying, why or whY did you leave it this long.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: I never thought we would see today, it’s the start of the revolution, I would like to thank everyone that has commented or written to every department seeking advice and assistance. You are all a credit to Pembrokeshire and let’s hope you will stand at the next elections. And finally Jacob and Old Grumpy a sincere thank you for your efforts, true Pembrokeshire people. Diolch yn fawr.[/p][/quote]Apologies I missed out Paul Miller and the unions who had the courage to organise last weeks demonstration. Is someone going to take over on a temp basis in BPJ absence God forbid if this person is selected by the IPPG members. I hear next Monday IPPG meeting is a guarded secret and the members will be told I only hours before were it's being held. BPJ I hope he has had his keys for the Kremlin taken back and he is suffering for the way he has treated his staff and Pembrokeshire people. Sue Thomas was a whistle blower and was sacked by the council, I hope someone has the courage to re open her case and either apologise in public or reinstate her. I wonder how many other council employes have been bullied and eventually forced to leave PCC. All the IPPG councillors I hope yesterday's news will pull you to your senses and do the job you are paid for, that is representing your constituents, and not follow your leader like sheep. I hope some common sense will prevail. Final point I know Mark Edwards and I ask the questuion if you had treated one of your staff like BPJ treated you then I am sure you would have been taken for bullying, why or whY did you leave it this long. Welshman23
  • Score: 4

8:53am Sat 16 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
I never thought we would see today, it’s the start of the revolution, I would like to thank everyone that has commented or written to every department seeking advice and assistance.
You are all a credit to Pembrokeshire and let’s hope you will stand at the next elections.
And finally Jacob and Old Grumpy a sincere thank you for your efforts, true Pembrokeshire people.
Diolch yn fawr.
Apologies I missed out Paul Miller and the unions who had the courage to organise last weeks demonstration.
Is someone going to take over on a temp basis in BPJ absence God forbid if this person is selected by the IPPG members.
I hear next Monday IPPG meeting is a guarded secret and the members will be told I only hours before were it's being held.
BPJ I hope he has had his keys for the Kremlin taken back and he is suffering for the way he has treated his staff and Pembrokeshire people.
Sue Thomas was a whistle blower and was sacked by the council, I hope someone has the courage to re open her case and either apologise in public or reinstate her.
I wonder how many other council employes have been bullied and eventually forced to leave PCC.
All the IPPG councillors I hope yesterday's news will pull you to your senses and do the job you are paid for, that is representing your constituents, and not follow your leader like sheep.
I hope some common sense will prevail.
Final point I know Mark Edwards and I ask the questuion if you had treated one of your staff like BPJ treated you then I am sure you would have been taken for bullying, why or whY did you leave it this long.
People who have voted this down have the balls like me to express an opinion.
You disgust me why not put up an opinion. Chicken
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: I never thought we would see today, it’s the start of the revolution, I would like to thank everyone that has commented or written to every department seeking advice and assistance. You are all a credit to Pembrokeshire and let’s hope you will stand at the next elections. And finally Jacob and Old Grumpy a sincere thank you for your efforts, true Pembrokeshire people. Diolch yn fawr.[/p][/quote]Apologies I missed out Paul Miller and the unions who had the courage to organise last weeks demonstration. Is someone going to take over on a temp basis in BPJ absence God forbid if this person is selected by the IPPG members. I hear next Monday IPPG meeting is a guarded secret and the members will be told I only hours before were it's being held. BPJ I hope he has had his keys for the Kremlin taken back and he is suffering for the way he has treated his staff and Pembrokeshire people. Sue Thomas was a whistle blower and was sacked by the council, I hope someone has the courage to re open her case and either apologise in public or reinstate her. I wonder how many other council employes have been bullied and eventually forced to leave PCC. All the IPPG councillors I hope yesterday's news will pull you to your senses and do the job you are paid for, that is representing your constituents, and not follow your leader like sheep. I hope some common sense will prevail. Final point I know Mark Edwards and I ask the questuion if you had treated one of your staff like BPJ treated you then I am sure you would have been taken for bullying, why or whY did you leave it this long.[/p][/quote]People who have voted this down have the balls like me to express an opinion. You disgust me why not put up an opinion. Chicken Welshman23
  • Score: -8

9:47am Sat 16 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Flashbang wrote:
At the IPPG's secret meeting on Monday there should only be one topic after stripping Jamie of the leadership. Sack BPJ for gross misconduct in the fact that he was bullying and intimidating two of his employers (Edwards and Morgan) at a private meeting. There should be no golden parachute, just instant dismissal.
The IPG councillors will be drinking at the last chance saloon on Monday.
For Some councillors like Jamie, muirhouse and that bloke from Tenby it will be too late for them, but for many it will be a chance to show to those ppl that voted them in that that they are concerned about Pembrokeshire, that they will stand up for them, stand up for whistle blowers, deplore protecting paedophiles, deplore the many many actions suspect actions taken in the past in their namne and the money and expenses and special allowances is not the be all and end all of being a councillor.
I mentioned voting - too many of the most powerful councillors were elected unopposed, they didn't have to face an electorate - that is wrong,wrong,wrong - no one is born to lead
[quote][p][bold]Flashbang[/bold] wrote: At the IPPG's secret meeting on Monday there should only be one topic after stripping Jamie of the leadership. Sack BPJ for gross misconduct in the fact that he was bullying and intimidating two of his employers (Edwards and Morgan) at a private meeting. There should be no golden parachute, just instant dismissal.[/p][/quote]The IPG councillors will be drinking at the last chance saloon on Monday. For Some councillors like Jamie, muirhouse and that bloke from Tenby it will be too late for them, but for many it will be a chance to show to those ppl that voted them in that that they are concerned about Pembrokeshire, that they will stand up for them, stand up for whistle blowers, deplore protecting paedophiles, deplore the many many actions suspect actions taken in the past in their namne and the money and expenses and special allowances is not the be all and end all of being a councillor. I mentioned voting - too many of the most powerful councillors were elected unopposed, they didn't have to face an electorate - that is wrong,wrong,wrong - no one is born to lead Tttoommy
  • Score: 2

10:14am Sat 16 Aug 14

KeanJo says...

Why not employ a private detective to investigate !!!
Why not employ a private detective to investigate !!! KeanJo
  • Score: 6

10:17am Sat 16 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Kiwitaff wrote:
What is the difference between suspension on full pay and leave of absence on full pay? The people of Pembrokeshire have had to tolerate an inferior public service that has been run by overpaid senior managers.
I agree with Flash that BPJ should be sacked for gross misconduct and he and others may also face criminal charges for the misappropriation of public money and tax evasion.
My view suspension would be you are being investigated, leave of absence is were you have left work, this option opens the door for, stress, signed off by your doctor due to ill health, unable to to be interviewed because of illness.
Leave of absence is the best option for BPJ if he seeks medical assistance he could go on long term sick, depending on his contract he could receive full salary for a long time. He has been here for 20years so his contract be old and then he was on a salary of £60k.
I believe this is a well worked plan by BPJ and he got his puppet to agree, it will cost us money possible paying up his pension, severance pay etc.
If he has a sick note it puts a halt on any investigations as he would play this ace.
Did Farmer Adams agree to the leave of absence on his own or who else was in the decision process and who are these people.
Reluctantly BPJ is a well educated person and would I be
I eve planned his exit strategy some months ago.
[quote][p][bold]Kiwitaff[/bold] wrote: What is the difference between suspension on full pay and leave of absence on full pay? The people of Pembrokeshire have had to tolerate an inferior public service that has been run by overpaid senior managers. I agree with Flash that BPJ should be sacked for gross misconduct and he and others may also face criminal charges for the misappropriation of public money and tax evasion.[/p][/quote]My view suspension would be you are being investigated, leave of absence is were you have left work, this option opens the door for, stress, signed off by your doctor due to ill health, unable to to be interviewed because of illness. Leave of absence is the best option for BPJ if he seeks medical assistance he could go on long term sick, depending on his contract he could receive full salary for a long time. He has been here for 20years so his contract be old and then he was on a salary of £60k. I believe this is a well worked plan by BPJ and he got his puppet to agree, it will cost us money possible paying up his pension, severance pay etc. If he has a sick note it puts a halt on any investigations as he would play this ace. Did Farmer Adams agree to the leave of absence on his own or who else was in the decision process and who are these people. Reluctantly BPJ is a well educated person and would I be I eve planned his exit strategy some months ago. Welshman23
  • Score: 8

10:35am Sat 16 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

All you people voting my comments down how about putting your views into the debate, or are you armchair people.
Come on let's have your views so we can all have a good debate.
Nothing personal show your colours..
All you people voting my comments down how about putting your views into the debate, or are you armchair people. Come on let's have your views so we can all have a good debate. Nothing personal show your colours.. Welshman23
  • Score: -26

11:25am Sat 16 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
All you people voting my comments down how about putting your views into the debate, or are you armchair people.
Come on let's have your views so we can all have a good debate.
Nothing personal show your colours..
Stop winging about negative votes. What makes you think that the people who have voted you down have not commented already ? I don't know why you assume they are not already in the debate. People are entitled to their views and if they don't like your comments then they are perfectly entitled to voted you down. And NO I have not been voting you down but I am getting really tired of your paranoia. Maybe if you wrote more intelligent comments then people might be inclined to give you more positive votes. Don't be so sensitive, move on......
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: All you people voting my comments down how about putting your views into the debate, or are you armchair people. Come on let's have your views so we can all have a good debate. Nothing personal show your colours..[/p][/quote]Stop winging about negative votes. What makes you think that the people who have voted you down have not commented already ? I don't know why you assume they are not already in the debate. People are entitled to their views and if they don't like your comments then they are perfectly entitled to voted you down. And NO I have not been voting you down but I am getting really tired of your paranoia. Maybe if you wrote more intelligent comments then people might be inclined to give you more positive votes. Don't be so sensitive, move on...... Bilbo101
  • Score: 27

1:42pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Welshman23 wrote:
All you people voting my comments down how about putting your views into the debate, or are you armchair people.
Come on let's have your views so we can all have a good debate.
Nothing personal show your colours..
Agree Welshman23 , one says innocuous things like believing in open government and debate, no corruption and they are voted down - we know it must be the guilty scum because who else can find anything wrong with such idealistic views.

On the other hand I NEVER see comments such as -I'm a councillor and I hate democracy or I LOVE the back handers do we Bilbo?
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: All you people voting my comments down how about putting your views into the debate, or are you armchair people. Come on let's have your views so we can all have a good debate. Nothing personal show your colours..[/p][/quote]Agree Welshman23 , one says innocuous things like believing in open government and debate, no corruption and they are voted down - we know it must be the guilty scum because who else can find anything wrong with such idealistic views. On the other hand I NEVER see comments such as -I'm a councillor and I hate democracy or I LOVE the back handers do we Bilbo? Tttoommy
  • Score: -10

2:24pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Electra1 says...

If anyone votes in the next election for the fans of BPJ they should be committed.
If anyone votes in the next election for the fans of BPJ they should be committed. Electra1
  • Score: 10

6:54pm Sat 16 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Cymru bach wrote:
Period of absence. - ON FULL PAY! Unbelievable!

The authority goes from bad to worse.

Cllr Adams should step down.

The Council should be disbanded with fresh elections held throughout the County.

WAG should bring people in to run the County in the interim.
I agree have been saying all along that the council should be run by people sent in from the WAG they will find the place is in a disorganized chaos, that is of no shredding has taken place to cover up failures
[quote][p][bold]Cymru bach[/bold] wrote: Period of absence. - ON FULL PAY! Unbelievable! The authority goes from bad to worse. Cllr Adams should step down. The Council should be disbanded with fresh elections held throughout the County. WAG should bring people in to run the County in the interim.[/p][/quote]I agree have been saying all along that the council should be run by people sent in from the WAG they will find the place is in a disorganized chaos, that is of no shredding has taken place to cover up failures seaveiw
  • Score: 14

9:44pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

One of the issues appears to be there are no standard operating procedures used in PCC that are agreed with many parties INCLUDING BPJs trade union the LGA, for ALL councils e.g what you should do when a whistle blower makes a complaint, or indeed ANYONE makes a complaint about anyone - in PCCs case we now know it is used as an example in training of NOT how to run a council - Bryn decides, maybe this explains why paedophiles were protected -and whistle blowers sacked - in the short term it looks better, maybe hoping these secrets never come out - in the longer term they ALWAYS come out and it looks really sick and disgusting
One of the issues appears to be there are no standard operating procedures used in PCC that are agreed with many parties INCLUDING BPJs trade union the LGA, for ALL councils e.g what you should do when a whistle blower makes a complaint, or indeed ANYONE makes a complaint about anyone - in PCCs case we now know it is used as an example in training of NOT how to run a council - Bryn decides, maybe this explains why paedophiles were protected -and whistle blowers sacked - in the short term it looks better, maybe hoping these secrets never come out - in the longer term they ALWAYS come out and it looks really sick and disgusting Tttoommy
  • Score: 13

12:35pm Sun 17 Aug 14

fairpembs says...

It seems all the decision makers at PCC are less than honest! I came across this recently...disgusted
!

https://www.change.o
rg/en-GB/petitions/p
embrokeshire-county-
council-please-allow
-lee-roxanne-walker-
to-remain-in-their-h
ome-125-slade-lane-h
averfordwest
It seems all the decision makers at PCC are less than honest! I came across this recently...disgusted ! https://www.change.o rg/en-GB/petitions/p embrokeshire-county- council-please-allow -lee-roxanne-walker- to-remain-in-their-h ome-125-slade-lane-h averfordwest fairpembs
  • Score: 7

2:03pm Sun 17 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Tttoommy wrote:
One of the issues appears to be there are no standard operating procedures used in PCC that are agreed with many parties INCLUDING BPJs trade union the LGA, for ALL councils e.g what you should do when a whistle blower makes a complaint, or indeed ANYONE makes a complaint about anyone - in PCCs case we now know it is used as an example in training of NOT how to run a council - Bryn decides, maybe this explains why paedophiles were protected -and whistle blowers sacked - in the short term it looks better, maybe hoping these secrets never come out - in the longer term they ALWAYS come out and it looks really sick and disgusting
To all councillors reading this site, think carefully at your meeting tomorrow you can hide from what you have done in the past. But remember there is no where to run, or there is no one to run too. Vote wisely remember the electorate are waitin to see if you behave in a democratic way.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: One of the issues appears to be there are no standard operating procedures used in PCC that are agreed with many parties INCLUDING BPJs trade union the LGA, for ALL councils e.g what you should do when a whistle blower makes a complaint, or indeed ANYONE makes a complaint about anyone - in PCCs case we now know it is used as an example in training of NOT how to run a council - Bryn decides, maybe this explains why paedophiles were protected -and whistle blowers sacked - in the short term it looks better, maybe hoping these secrets never come out - in the longer term they ALWAYS come out and it looks really sick and disgusting[/p][/quote]To all councillors reading this site, think carefully at your meeting tomorrow you can hide from what you have done in the past. But remember there is no where to run, or there is no one to run too. Vote wisely remember the electorate are waitin to see if you behave in a democratic way. seaveiw
  • Score: 11

10:54pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Kiwitaff says...

Surely BPJ is under investigation by GLOUCESTER POLICE! He must be suspended and not given leave of absence. If farmer Adams is wise he will resign. He has been party to all of the recent goings on at the Kremlin.
Surely BPJ is under investigation by GLOUCESTER POLICE! He must be suspended and not given leave of absence. If farmer Adams is wise he will resign. He has been party to all of the recent goings on at the Kremlin. Kiwitaff
  • Score: 8

1:42pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Electra1 wrote:
If anyone votes in the next election for the fans of BPJ they should be committed.
Bryn is in charge of voting in Wales, ensuring everything is above board and all votes are counted - I'm not commenting further :)
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: If anyone votes in the next election for the fans of BPJ they should be committed.[/p][/quote]Bryn is in charge of voting in Wales, ensuring everything is above board and all votes are counted - I'm not commenting further :) Tttoommy
  • Score: 9

4:43pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Electra1 wrote:
If anyone votes in the next election for the fans of BPJ they should be committed.
Bryn is in charge of voting in Wales, ensuring everything is above board and all votes are counted - I'm not commenting further :)
I witnessed BPJ at the Burton election when one of the candidates asked that a ballot paper should be included. In the count, this was rejected by BPJ.
He turned to the candidate in a rather aggressive manner, if you are not happy take it to the courts.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: If anyone votes in the next election for the fans of BPJ they should be committed.[/p][/quote]Bryn is in charge of voting in Wales, ensuring everything is above board and all votes are counted - I'm not commenting further :)[/p][/quote]I witnessed BPJ at the Burton election when one of the candidates asked that a ballot paper should be included. In the count, this was rejected by BPJ. He turned to the candidate in a rather aggressive manner, if you are not happy take it to the courts. Welshman23
  • Score: 10

8:12pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Independent Pus says...

Welshman 23 is quite correct. When myself and Paul Miller queried what was clearly a spoilt ballot paper, he informed us that it was obvious that the person wanted to vote for the IPPG candidate. When I stated that I wasn't happy about this and what I could do about it he stated " take me to Court if you don't like my decision".

I was also at the count for the St. Mary's North ward in the 2011 election. As the votes we counted BJP pointed out that there were some Milford papers in the pile but as it wouldn't make any difference to the result it didn't matter! How they got in a Pembroke box is beyond me or maybe not!
Welshman 23 is quite correct. When myself and Paul Miller queried what was clearly a spoilt ballot paper, he informed us that it was obvious that the person wanted to vote for the IPPG candidate. When I stated that I wasn't happy about this and what I could do about it he stated " take me to Court if you don't like my decision". I was also at the count for the St. Mary's North ward in the 2011 election. As the votes we counted BJP pointed out that there were some Milford papers in the pile but as it wouldn't make any difference to the result it didn't matter! How they got in a Pembroke box is beyond me or maybe not! Independent Pus
  • Score: 14

9:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Independent Pus wrote:
Welshman 23 is quite correct. When myself and Paul Miller queried what was clearly a spoilt ballot paper, he informed us that it was obvious that the person wanted to vote for the IPPG candidate. When I stated that I wasn't happy about this and what I could do about it he stated " take me to Court if you don't like my decision".

I was also at the count for the St. Mary's North ward in the 2011 election. As the votes we counted BJP pointed out that there were some Milford papers in the pile but as it wouldn't make any difference to the result it didn't matter! How they got in a Pembroke box is beyond me or maybe not!
That is an EXCEEDINGLY serious allegation, what you are saying is as I understand that the Chief returning officer for Wales is supporting his puppets and that the Democratic system has been subverted - I urge you to make an official complaint about him IMMEDIATELY.
Surprised that Paul Miller has not done anything regarding this allegation - he cannot leave everything to Old Grumpy and Jacob
[quote][p][bold]Independent Pus[/bold] wrote: Welshman 23 is quite correct. When myself and Paul Miller queried what was clearly a spoilt ballot paper, he informed us that it was obvious that the person wanted to vote for the IPPG candidate. When I stated that I wasn't happy about this and what I could do about it he stated " take me to Court if you don't like my decision". I was also at the count for the St. Mary's North ward in the 2011 election. As the votes we counted BJP pointed out that there were some Milford papers in the pile but as it wouldn't make any difference to the result it didn't matter! How they got in a Pembroke box is beyond me or maybe not![/p][/quote]That is an EXCEEDINGLY serious allegation, what you are saying is as I understand that the Chief returning officer for Wales is supporting his puppets and that the Democratic system has been subverted - I urge you to make an official complaint about him IMMEDIATELY. Surprised that Paul Miller has not done anything regarding this allegation - he cannot leave everything to Old Grumpy and Jacob Tttoommy
  • Score: 5

9:26pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

PS Paul should know he doesn't have to go to Court, try the electoral commission for a start
Be honest, If this allegation is found to be correct he could save Pembrokeshire a couple of million (which is what I recall was mentioned here somewhere that Bryn threatened would cost If someone tried to sack him)
PS Paul should know he doesn't have to go to Court, try the electoral commission for a start Be honest, If this allegation is found to be correct he could save Pembrokeshire a couple of million (which is what I recall was mentioned here somewhere that Bryn threatened would cost If someone tried to sack him) Tttoommy
  • Score: 7

10:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cymru bach says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Independent Pus wrote:
Welshman 23 is quite correct. When myself and Paul Miller queried what was clearly a spoilt ballot paper, he informed us that it was obvious that the person wanted to vote for the IPPG candidate. When I stated that I wasn't happy about this and what I could do about it he stated " take me to Court if you don't like my decision".

I was also at the count for the St. Mary's North ward in the 2011 election. As the votes we counted BJP pointed out that there were some Milford papers in the pile but as it wouldn't make any difference to the result it didn't matter! How they got in a Pembroke box is beyond me or maybe not!
That is an EXCEEDINGLY serious allegation, what you are saying is as I understand that the Chief returning officer for Wales is supporting his puppets and that the Democratic system has been subverted - I urge you to make an official complaint about him IMMEDIATELY.
Surprised that Paul Miller has not done anything regarding this allegation - he cannot leave everything to Old Grumpy and Jacob
It should be easy to investigate. All ballot papers are numbered and the number is put next to the name of the person handed the ballot paper on the electoral register.

(So much for our claim to have a secret ballot in elections in this Country! As anyone could look through the ballots to see who voted for who! I was assured though when I asked about this that it would only be done to investigate possible election fraud, and as has been said, this can be done by the electoral commission).
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independent Pus[/bold] wrote: Welshman 23 is quite correct. When myself and Paul Miller queried what was clearly a spoilt ballot paper, he informed us that it was obvious that the person wanted to vote for the IPPG candidate. When I stated that I wasn't happy about this and what I could do about it he stated " take me to Court if you don't like my decision". I was also at the count for the St. Mary's North ward in the 2011 election. As the votes we counted BJP pointed out that there were some Milford papers in the pile but as it wouldn't make any difference to the result it didn't matter! How they got in a Pembroke box is beyond me or maybe not![/p][/quote]That is an EXCEEDINGLY serious allegation, what you are saying is as I understand that the Chief returning officer for Wales is supporting his puppets and that the Democratic system has been subverted - I urge you to make an official complaint about him IMMEDIATELY. Surprised that Paul Miller has not done anything regarding this allegation - he cannot leave everything to Old Grumpy and Jacob[/p][/quote]It should be easy to investigate. All ballot papers are numbered and the number is put next to the name of the person handed the ballot paper on the electoral register. (So much for our claim to have a secret ballot in elections in this Country! As anyone could look through the ballots to see who voted for who! I was assured though when I asked about this that it would only be done to investigate possible election fraud, and as has been said, this can be done by the electoral commission). Cymru bach
  • Score: 6

8:14am Thu 21 Aug 14

KeanJo says...

The figure of a couple of million to get rid is being bandied about. Under his stewardship if the County Council £1.75 million was paid for a 3% share in Bluestone. Why not let him have the shares.
The figure of a couple of million to get rid is being bandied about. Under his stewardship if the County Council £1.75 million was paid for a 3% share in Bluestone. Why not let him have the shares. KeanJo
  • Score: 5

8:24am Thu 21 Aug 14

Flashbang says...

He should not get one more penny out of the taxpayers, his incompetence has cost the county millions already. Same goes for you too Jamie.
He should not get one more penny out of the taxpayers, his incompetence has cost the county millions already. Same goes for you too Jamie. Flashbang
  • Score: 7

12:17pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

At the next Extraordinary meeting of the Council it is going to be difficult to identify those Councillors with an interest to declare as friends of the CEO ( or The Leader?), let alone those with predisposed or predetermined positions. (Bring back Mr Kerr QC?)

If such interests are declared, and the Monitoring Officer rules that they are barred from voting, would there be a quorum left?

Perhaps the whole Council membership should be referred to the Ombudsman with a Code of Conduct complaint.

I trust that there will be an officer’s report listing the alleged faults laid at the door of the CEO, Head of Paid Service and operational manager of the Council, so that councillors can take a dispassionate view of all relevant considerations before voting.

Presumably the CEO will have an opportunity to refute any charges made, but it seems that this only occurs during a preliminary investigation following formal suspension.

I assume that the IPG membership are content to support their Leader, even after the misleading assurances he, and another Cabinet member, gave to the Council over the grants fiasco, and the apparent misplaced support he has provided to the CEO, until now.

Perhaps a report or statement on the reasons why Leader continued to lead his party to lend such support , until now, should be included in the public record of the Council meeting.

Who is providing the Leader with legal advice over this matter of gardening leave, suspension, standing aside call it what you will. There needs to be some legal clarity in the formal Council record, rather than the apparent private agreement between the Leader and the CEO.

Some formal financial advice would also seem to be required, we know how keen the Leader is to save the Council money. What are the grounds for continuing to pay a salary for nothing?

So who is responsible for allowing this fiasco to continue for so long?
Why hasn't the IPG Leader of the Council acted before now?
Should he be allowed to vote on his personal arrangement/agreemen
t with the CEO?
The members' Code of Conduct has specific advice about considerations before voting with your group/party. I wonder if any IPG will read it.
At the next Extraordinary meeting of the Council it is going to be difficult to identify those Councillors with an interest to declare as friends of the CEO ( or The Leader?), let alone those with predisposed or predetermined positions. (Bring back Mr Kerr QC?) If such interests are declared, and the Monitoring Officer rules that they are barred from voting, would there be a quorum left? Perhaps the whole Council membership should be referred to the Ombudsman with a Code of Conduct complaint. I trust that there will be an officer’s report listing the alleged faults laid at the door of the CEO, Head of Paid Service and operational manager of the Council, so that councillors can take a dispassionate view of all relevant considerations before voting. Presumably the CEO will have an opportunity to refute any charges made, but it seems that this only occurs during a preliminary investigation following formal suspension. I assume that the IPG membership are content to support their Leader, even after the misleading assurances he, and another Cabinet member, gave to the Council over the grants fiasco, and the apparent misplaced support he has provided to the CEO, until now. Perhaps a report or statement on the reasons why Leader continued to lead his party to lend such support , until now, should be included in the public record of the Council meeting. Who is providing the Leader with legal advice over this matter of gardening leave, suspension, standing aside call it what you will. There needs to be some legal clarity in the formal Council record, rather than the apparent private agreement between the Leader and the CEO. Some formal financial advice would also seem to be required, we know how keen the Leader is to save the Council money. What are the grounds for continuing to pay a salary for nothing? So who is responsible for allowing this fiasco to continue for so long? Why hasn't the IPG Leader of the Council acted before now? Should he be allowed to vote on his personal arrangement/agreemen t with the CEO? The members' Code of Conduct has specific advice about considerations before voting with your group/party. I wonder if any IPG will read it. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 7

12:48pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Indepedant says...

I was at Burton by election and can verify the above.
I was at Burton by election and can verify the above. Indepedant
  • Score: 4

12:54pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Indepedant says...

In fact the spoilt ballot paper had crosses in 2 boxes and when Paul Miller asked for a discussion as to whether it was valid he was told it was a vote for the IPPG and there would not be a discussion. To all else present, it was a spoilt ballot paper.
In fact the spoilt ballot paper had crosses in 2 boxes and when Paul Miller asked for a discussion as to whether it was valid he was told it was a vote for the IPPG and there would not be a discussion. To all else present, it was a spoilt ballot paper. Indepedant
  • Score: 5

1:55pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

I think that we have been round this track before.

Didn't the electoral commission say that it could not investigate election practices, but that any concerns should be referred to the police?

I suppose that ONE VOTE would not sway things one way or the other,. but I would not like my vote to be "interpreted".
I think that we have been round this track before. Didn't the electoral commission say that it could not investigate election practices, but that any concerns should be referred to the police? I suppose that ONE VOTE would not sway things one way or the other,. but I would not like my vote to be "interpreted". Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 3

2:09pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

So is paul miller going to do anything?

These allegations could back fire on him IF he does nothing!
So is paul miller going to do anything? These allegations could back fire on him IF he does nothing! Tttoommy
  • Score: 5

6:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Indeview J Hudson wrote:
I think that we have been round this track before.

Didn't the electoral commission say that it could not investigate election practices, but that any concerns should be referred to the police?

I suppose that ONE VOTE would not sway things one way or the other,. but I would not like my vote to be "interpreted".
Possibly one of the most important stories in any paper and it'll not be picked up I'm sure.
- mentioned this story on a post to other papers and blogs and they've been "moderated"
[quote][p][bold]Indeview J Hudson[/bold] wrote: I think that we have been round this track before. Didn't the electoral commission say that it could not investigate election practices, but that any concerns should be referred to the police? I suppose that ONE VOTE would not sway things one way or the other,. but I would not like my vote to be "interpreted".[/p][/quote]Possibly one of the most important stories in any paper and it'll not be picked up I'm sure. - mentioned this story on a post to other papers and blogs and they've been "moderated" Tttoommy
  • Score: 2

6:07pm Fri 22 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

seaveiw wrote:
Tttoommy wrote:
One of the issues appears to be there are no standard operating procedures used in PCC that are agreed with many parties INCLUDING BPJs trade union the LGA, for ALL councils e.g what you should do when a whistle blower makes a complaint, or indeed ANYONE makes a complaint about anyone - in PCCs case we now know it is used as an example in training of NOT how to run a council - Bryn decides, maybe this explains why paedophiles were protected -and whistle blowers sacked - in the short term it looks better, maybe hoping these secrets never come out - in the longer term they ALWAYS come out and it looks really sick and disgusting
To all councillors reading this site, think carefully at your meeting tomorrow you can hide from what you have done in the past. But remember there is no where to run, or there is no one to run too. Vote wisely remember the electorate are waitin to see if you behave in a democratic way.
So you decided then to keep Jamie is that why he praised you all, and described you as pragmatic, and democratic.I dont think so we the electorate cannot wait until 2017 to have our say at the ballot box.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: One of the issues appears to be there are no standard operating procedures used in PCC that are agreed with many parties INCLUDING BPJs trade union the LGA, for ALL councils e.g what you should do when a whistle blower makes a complaint, or indeed ANYONE makes a complaint about anyone - in PCCs case we now know it is used as an example in training of NOT how to run a council - Bryn decides, maybe this explains why paedophiles were protected -and whistle blowers sacked - in the short term it looks better, maybe hoping these secrets never come out - in the longer term they ALWAYS come out and it looks really sick and disgusting[/p][/quote]To all councillors reading this site, think carefully at your meeting tomorrow you can hide from what you have done in the past. But remember there is no where to run, or there is no one to run too. Vote wisely remember the electorate are waitin to see if you behave in a democratic way.[/p][/quote]So you decided then to keep Jamie is that why he praised you all, and described you as pragmatic, and democratic.I dont think so we the electorate cannot wait until 2017 to have our say at the ballot box. seaveiw
  • Score: 3

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