Time for all members to sort crisis at Pembrokeshire County Hall say MPs and AMs

Pembrokeshire is suffering as a result of the controversies at County Hall, say our MPs and AMs.

Pembrokeshire is suffering as a result of the controversies at County Hall, say our MPs and AMs.

First published in County News by

PEMBROKESHIRE’S representatives at Westminster and Cardiff Bay say that the time has come for all 60 county councillors to prove they are up to the job and sort out the crisis ripping through County Hall.

Following the departure of chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones on a paid “period of absence” and council leader Jamie Adams’ job coming under renewed pressure, the county’s AMs and MPs said political opponents now have to work together for the sake of Pembrokeshire.

Speaking to the Western Telegraph, Assembly Members Paul Davies and Angela Burns and MPs Stephen Crabb and Simon Hart said that scandal after scandal was damaging Pembrokeshire.

Secretary of State for Wales, Mr Crabb, was among the most hard-hitting.

He said: “For more than six months the council has been bogged down in this issue.

“The ruling Independent Group has failed to address the matter effectively in a clear and transparent way.

“The truth is that normal politics and governance do not really exist at County Hall. Pembrokeshire is one of the last remaining places where individual councillors get themselves elected by promising to be independent and then immediately join a ruling party bizarrely called the Independent Group.

"It is a place where the big strategic decisions get taken by intelligent and highly able officers rather than by the elected politicians. There is no clear political programme which voters decide on at local election time and, therefore, very weak accountability from the politicians. And this goes on year after year.

“The normal time for this kind of situation to change is at the ballot box. But we have reached a point where the sea-change needs to start now. Every councillor who genuinely cares about the future of the authority needs to show they can work together to turn this around.”

“Our elected officials have let this drag on too long and the matter now needs to be resolved once and for all” added Mr Hart.

“We elect and pay councillors to make these decisions and it is up to them to prove if they are up to the job.

“Relentless politicking damages this which is why the council needs to unite rather than fragment.

“Councillors should be striving to achieve local government by consensus.

“This might mean working with political opponents for the good of the county.”

AM Mrs Burns had previously called on Mr Parry-Jones and Cllr Adams to go in the Western Telegraph.

She said “I laid out very clearly my very strong view on the lack of due process and transparency that I believe the county council owed the people of Pembrokeshire.

“My concern has been and remains the effective management and monitoring undertaken by the elected members of the county council.

“We can’t afford anymore scandals or interventions or those of us who live here will find ourselves being run from a conglomerated and vast local authority area.”

Preseli AM Mr Davies added: “The council executive should have ensured that they held senior management to account. It’s clear that the council should be run by those that have been elected.”

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2:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Most of the IPG councillors are Conservative, they've ruled Pembs. since it became its own authority with a rod of corruption and bullying

They know that If they'd called themselves Tories they'd never have won their seats, having said that hasn't half of the cabinet got their seats without a fight i.e not contested ?
Most of the IPG councillors are Conservative, they've ruled Pembs. since it became its own authority with a rod of corruption and bullying They know that If they'd called themselves Tories they'd never have won their seats, having said that hasn't half of the cabinet got their seats without a fight i.e not contested ? Tttoommy
  • Score: 22

4:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Electra1 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Most of the IPG councillors are Conservative, they've ruled Pembs. since it became its own authority with a rod of corruption and bullying

They know that If they'd called themselves Tories they'd never have won their seats, having said that hasn't half of the cabinet got their seats without a fight i.e not contested ?
This is something I have said all along. If they haven't got the bottle to stand up and admit what real political party they support they shouldn't be asking for peoples vote at election time.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Most of the IPG councillors are Conservative, they've ruled Pembs. since it became its own authority with a rod of corruption and bullying They know that If they'd called themselves Tories they'd never have won their seats, having said that hasn't half of the cabinet got their seats without a fight i.e not contested ?[/p][/quote]This is something I have said all along. If they haven't got the bottle to stand up and admit what real political party they support they shouldn't be asking for peoples vote at election time. Electra1
  • Score: 15

4:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Oh dear where have they been living for the last 20 years?
Why have they been silent for so long, or at least for as long as they have been "representing" us.
Oh dear where have they been living for the last 20 years? Why have they been silent for so long, or at least for as long as they have been "representing" us. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 21

4:53pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

I wrote to Mr Crabb some weeks ago this is his response, it seems that he may have had a change of mind.
.
Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Pembrokeshire County Council.

It is vitally important that Pembrokeshire County Council operates with the confidence of the electorate in Pembrokeshire and strictly in accordance with the law. I am concerned that recent events at County Hall have damaged that confidence and I do hope that the situation improves. Of course as an MP I rightly do not have a direct influence at County Hall, but I do raise these concerns in meetings with senior officials at Pembrokeshire County Council.

In terms of accountability, the buck stops with the Independent-Controll
ed Cabinet and the individual councillors. As I keep saying at local elections, we need different County Councillors who will provide new leadership.

Once again, thank you for raising this issue with me.
I wrote to Mr Crabb some weeks ago this is his response, it seems that he may have had a change of mind. . Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Pembrokeshire County Council. It is vitally important that Pembrokeshire County Council operates with the confidence of the electorate in Pembrokeshire and strictly in accordance with the law. I am concerned that recent events at County Hall have damaged that confidence and I do hope that the situation improves. Of course as an MP I rightly do not have a direct influence at County Hall, but I do raise these concerns in meetings with senior officials at Pembrokeshire County Council. In terms of accountability, the buck stops with the Independent-Controll ed Cabinet and the individual councillors. As I keep saying at local elections, we need different County Councillors who will provide new leadership. Once again, thank you for raising this issue with me. Welshman23
  • Score: 7

5:39pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Pembrokeshireboy72 says...

Bla bla bla, yakkity yak yak.

"If you don't quit I'm going to continue to sound threatening until it continues to make headlines."

None of our councillors will do the decent thing and step down, so just sack the lot of them as the place is now rancid.

Just get on with it and shut up with all the posturing.
Bla bla bla, yakkity yak yak. "If you don't quit I'm going to continue to sound threatening until it continues to make headlines." None of our councillors will do the decent thing and step down, so just sack the lot of them as the place is now rancid. Just get on with it and shut up with all the posturing. Pembrokeshireboy72
  • Score: 12

5:54pm Wed 20 Aug 14

eirona says...

We elect councillors to run the council so if they are not doing a decent job we do not vote for them at next election i.e accountability. We do not want them handing the running over to a non elected, very highly paid chief exe (and his cronies) who is not accountable to the public who his pay his wages.
Councillors need more moral fibre to control chief exe who is an employee (if we really need one) and should work together for good of county setting aside political differences.
We elect councillors to run the council so if they are not doing a decent job we do not vote for them at next election i.e accountability. We do not want them handing the running over to a non elected, very highly paid chief exe (and his cronies) who is not accountable to the public who his pay his wages. Councillors need more moral fibre to control chief exe who is an employee (if we really need one) and should work together for good of county setting aside political differences. eirona
  • Score: 12

5:56pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Gogledd says...

The Welsh Govt should have the guts to suspend PCC as it did with Ynys Mon CC 2 years ago. This would force re election of the whole of the County Council Chamber.
The Welsh Govt should have the guts to suspend PCC as it did with Ynys Mon CC 2 years ago. This would force re election of the whole of the County Council Chamber. Gogledd
  • Score: 27

5:59pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Gogledd says...

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Isle_of_Ang
lesey_County_Council

The above might be the way forward.
http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Isle_of_Ang lesey_County_Council The above might be the way forward. Gogledd
  • Score: 7

6:52pm Wed 20 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Welshman23 wrote:
I wrote to Mr Crabb some weeks ago this is his response, it seems that he may have had a change of mind.
.
Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Pembrokeshire County Council.

It is vitally important that Pembrokeshire County Council operates with the confidence of the electorate in Pembrokeshire and strictly in accordance with the law. I am concerned that recent events at County Hall have damaged that confidence and I do hope that the situation improves. Of course as an MP I rightly do not have a direct influence at County Hall, but I do raise these concerns in meetings with senior officials at Pembrokeshire County Council.

In terms of accountability, the buck stops with the Independent-Controll

ed Cabinet and the individual councillors. As I keep saying at local elections, we need different County Councillors who will provide new leadership.

Once again, thank you for raising this issue with me.
i also wrote to him and received a similar reply, at long last these politicians are stirring into action,but not enough to me. They know that our so called independent councillors will not be decisive and make any changes. The Senedd needs to take over the council until they can prove that they are running the council in a democratic way,according to how the us the electorate expect.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: I wrote to Mr Crabb some weeks ago this is his response, it seems that he may have had a change of mind. . Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Pembrokeshire County Council. It is vitally important that Pembrokeshire County Council operates with the confidence of the electorate in Pembrokeshire and strictly in accordance with the law. I am concerned that recent events at County Hall have damaged that confidence and I do hope that the situation improves. Of course as an MP I rightly do not have a direct influence at County Hall, but I do raise these concerns in meetings with senior officials at Pembrokeshire County Council. In terms of accountability, the buck stops with the Independent-Controll ed Cabinet and the individual councillors. As I keep saying at local elections, we need different County Councillors who will provide new leadership. Once again, thank you for raising this issue with me.[/p][/quote]i also wrote to him and received a similar reply, at long last these politicians are stirring into action,but not enough to me. They know that our so called independent councillors will not be decisive and make any changes. The Senedd needs to take over the council until they can prove that they are running the council in a democratic way,according to how the us the electorate expect. seaveiw
  • Score: 6

7:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

seaveiw wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
I wrote to Mr Crabb some weeks ago this is his response, it seems that he may have had a change of mind.
.
Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Pembrokeshire County Council.

It is vitally important that Pembrokeshire County Council operates with the confidence of the electorate in Pembrokeshire and strictly in accordance with the law. I am concerned that recent events at County Hall have damaged that confidence and I do hope that the situation improves. Of course as an MP I rightly do not have a direct influence at County Hall, but I do raise these concerns in meetings with senior officials at Pembrokeshire County Council.

In terms of accountability, the buck stops with the Independent-Controll


ed Cabinet and the individual councillors. As I keep saying at local elections, we need different County Councillors who will provide new leadership.

Once again, thank you for raising this issue with me.
i also wrote to him and received a similar reply, at long last these politicians are stirring into action,but not enough to me. They know that our so called independent councillors will not be decisive and make any changes. The Senedd needs to take over the council until they can prove that they are running the council in a democratic way,according to how the us the electorate expect.
cant beleive it the corrupt lot have now voted to keep Jamie in his leadership role i am disgusted this just proves that we the public will ever get anywhere by following a democratic way of influencing these councillors to change. They are impervious to any change the answer must be to take over the council.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: I wrote to Mr Crabb some weeks ago this is his response, it seems that he may have had a change of mind. . Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Pembrokeshire County Council. It is vitally important that Pembrokeshire County Council operates with the confidence of the electorate in Pembrokeshire and strictly in accordance with the law. I am concerned that recent events at County Hall have damaged that confidence and I do hope that the situation improves. Of course as an MP I rightly do not have a direct influence at County Hall, but I do raise these concerns in meetings with senior officials at Pembrokeshire County Council. In terms of accountability, the buck stops with the Independent-Controll ed Cabinet and the individual councillors. As I keep saying at local elections, we need different County Councillors who will provide new leadership. Once again, thank you for raising this issue with me.[/p][/quote]i also wrote to him and received a similar reply, at long last these politicians are stirring into action,but not enough to me. They know that our so called independent councillors will not be decisive and make any changes. The Senedd needs to take over the council until they can prove that they are running the council in a democratic way,according to how the us the electorate expect.[/p][/quote]cant beleive it the corrupt lot have now voted to keep Jamie in his leadership role i am disgusted this just proves that we the public will ever get anywhere by following a democratic way of influencing these councillors to change. They are impervious to any change the answer must be to take over the council. seaveiw
  • Score: 6

9:12pm Wed 20 Aug 14

hardcheese says...

There is only one way to sort out the corruption in Pembrokeshire C. C. and that is to get rid of all the councillors including chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones. It is a terrible situation when you can't trust Bryn Parry-Jones and his councillors. Time for all of them to go....
There is only one way to sort out the corruption in Pembrokeshire C. C. and that is to get rid of all the councillors including chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones. It is a terrible situation when you can't trust Bryn Parry-Jones and his councillors. Time for all of them to go.... hardcheese
  • Score: 6

10:28pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cymru bach says...

There is a General Election next year and Simon Hart and Stephen Crabbe are trying to distance them selves from their Tory colleagues in County Hall.
THEY ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE.

On a serious note though, I am also very concerned about the capability of the 'opposition'as a whole to sort out the mess.

As I have said before, time to disband the Council. Sort it out and call fresh elections where the public can see manifestos of those standing.
There is a General Election next year and Simon Hart and Stephen Crabbe are trying to distance them selves from their Tory colleagues in County Hall. THEY ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE. On a serious note though, I am also very concerned about the capability of the 'opposition'as a whole to sort out the mess. As I have said before, time to disband the Council. Sort it out and call fresh elections where the public can see manifestos of those standing. Cymru bach
  • Score: 15

11:04pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Kiwitaff says...

Pembrokeshire CC will cease to exist in the next two years. Clearly the politicians are distancing themselves from the shambles that has gone on for many years but has come to a head with Audit Office finding of illegal payments made to BPJ.

I have little confidence in the Welsh Government doing anything given the quality of some of the elected members. Education Chief Keith Price Davies was sacked by Carmarthenshire CC yet he then got elected as a Welsh MP. Lets hope GLOUCESTER Police carry out a full and comprehensive investigation into the way public funds have been used.
Pembrokeshire CC will cease to exist in the next two years. Clearly the politicians are distancing themselves from the shambles that has gone on for many years but has come to a head with Audit Office finding of illegal payments made to BPJ. I have little confidence in the Welsh Government doing anything given the quality of some of the elected members. Education Chief Keith Price Davies was sacked by Carmarthenshire CC yet he then got elected as a Welsh MP. Lets hope GLOUCESTER Police carry out a full and comprehensive investigation into the way public funds have been used. Kiwitaff
  • Score: 5

12:26am Thu 21 Aug 14

Flashbang says...

Spineless mongrels whose only talent is to see which way the wind is blowing. There are too many levels of government, PCC and the Senedd proving the point.
Spineless mongrels whose only talent is to see which way the wind is blowing. There are too many levels of government, PCC and the Senedd proving the point. Flashbang
  • Score: 7

1:24am Thu 21 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

There are far too many sheep in our council who lack the backbone and strength of character to stand up to the old-boys-club that has for too long bullied the majority into following their agenda. We all know councillors such as Adams and Hall have a long track record of intimidation and bullying, indeed Brian Hall's bully boy tactics and shady dealings have been going on since the days of Cambria House. What most people don't know is that what is in the public domain is just the tip of the iceberg, there has far more swept under the carpet. Councillors like Adams and Brian Hall disgust me, neither deserve any respect or are worthy to represent us and the only reason they are still where they are is because the other councillors are intimidated and too afraid to stand up to them. Adams has basically said this week that it will be he alone who decides how long his tenure will be, the arrogant piece of excrement.

Unfortunately for the residents of Pembrokeshire the next elections where you can vote them out is not until 2017 and what will happen then ? We get another load of people who make big promises who then do exactly what they please once voted in. We need a mechanism to be able to get rid of bad apple councillors during their 4/5 yr stint and should not have to wait the full term to get rid of them. We are currently powerless and can only vent our frustrations on forums such as this.

How much longer are we going have to wait to get rid of these parasites ?
There are far too many sheep in our council who lack the backbone and strength of character to stand up to the old-boys-club that has for too long bullied the majority into following their agenda. We all know councillors such as Adams and Hall have a long track record of intimidation and bullying, indeed Brian Hall's bully boy tactics and shady dealings have been going on since the days of Cambria House. What most people don't know is that what is in the public domain is just the tip of the iceberg, there has far more swept under the carpet. Councillors like Adams and Brian Hall disgust me, neither deserve any respect or are worthy to represent us and the only reason they are still where they are is because the other councillors are intimidated and too afraid to stand up to them. Adams has basically said this week that it will be he alone who decides how long his tenure will be, the arrogant piece of excrement. Unfortunately for the residents of Pembrokeshire the next elections where you can vote them out is not until 2017 and what will happen then ? We get another load of people who make big promises who then do exactly what they please once voted in. We need a mechanism to be able to get rid of bad apple councillors during their 4/5 yr stint and should not have to wait the full term to get rid of them. We are currently powerless and can only vent our frustrations on forums such as this. How much longer are we going have to wait to get rid of these parasites ? Bilbo101
  • Score: 13

6:47am Thu 21 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

http://www.westernte
legraph.co.uk/news/1
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I suggest If you've not caught the last few comments on this older story here, you read them as they contain serious allegations about Bryn
http://www.westernte legraph.co.uk/news/1 1412597.BREAKING_NEW S__Pembrokeshire_Cou nty_Council_chief_ex ecutive_Bryn_Parry_J ones_to__take_period _of_absence_/?cmpid= cmt I suggest If you've not caught the last few comments on this older story here, you read them as they contain serious allegations about Bryn Tttoommy
  • Score: 4

7:45am Thu 21 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

Perhaps Joyce Watson AM could remind us of an interview she had with the PCC CEO, some years ago, in the presence of a former IPG Leader.
I believe it was reported in the WT.
Perhaps Joyce Watson AM could remind us of an interview she had with the PCC CEO, some years ago, in the presence of a former IPG Leader. I believe it was reported in the WT. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 5

10:48am Thu 21 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

This lot dont seem to understand what the words transparancy and democracy means. We are ruled from the kremlin, the situation now is intolerable, can you imagine this farce allowed to continue in Westminister. Dont Wales have public accounts commitee, if not why not? who set up the constitution at the Senedd, needs to be reviewed,too much talking goes on about seemly subjects which to me should be sorted out a lower level, I know I watch the t.v. on the Parliment channel. LETS HAVE MORE DEBATE AND LESS CHAT TO SORT OUT PEMBROKESHIRE!!!!!!!
This lot dont seem to understand what the words transparancy and democracy means. We are ruled from the kremlin, the situation now is intolerable, can you imagine this farce allowed to continue in Westminister. Dont Wales have public accounts commitee, if not why not? who set up the constitution at the Senedd, needs to be reviewed,too much talking goes on about seemly subjects which to me should be sorted out a lower level, I know I watch the t.v. on the Parliment channel. LETS HAVE MORE DEBATE AND LESS CHAT TO SORT OUT PEMBROKESHIRE!!!!!!! seaveiw
  • Score: 4

10:48am Thu 21 Aug 14

Theodore1 says...

The electorate of Pembs are an apathetic bunch, and I count myself amongst them, we live relatively cosy and contented lives here in the west and we do not overly concern ourselves with the running of the county; that is for the self important conceited blighters who like free lunches and expenses.
We the electors have become complacent and let matters slide for donkeys ' years because that is the easiest way. Many younger electors have NEVER voted in local elections because they are too boring for them to be bothered," it will all go away". L:et those who will "waste their time". I suppose I will have to get of my backside and go to the polls but for heaven's sake give me someone to vote for!!
The electorate of Pembs are an apathetic bunch, and I count myself amongst them, we live relatively cosy and contented lives here in the west and we do not overly concern ourselves with the running of the county; that is for the self important conceited blighters who like free lunches and expenses. We the electors have become complacent and let matters slide for donkeys ' years because that is the easiest way. Many younger electors have NEVER voted in local elections because they are too boring for them to be bothered," it will all go away". L:et those who will "waste their time". I suppose I will have to get of my backside and go to the polls but for heaven's sake give me someone to vote for!! Theodore1
  • Score: 5

4:14pm Thu 21 Aug 14

clivebeca says...

I have issues with Planning Dep't, which seem to pale in view of THE OTHER ISSUES, that said, and I've put it in writing to various Elected Members, AM's and Staff: 'This Council needs, yes needs to be placed under SPECIAL MEASURES". The Welsh Assembly Government knows the situation - they should now table motions and take the necessary steps to 'Run' this Council. Democracy is not transparent, and in any case is not working.
Please use Special Measures on the whole Council, and run it until the next due County Council Elections. Clive V James aka clivebeca.
I have issues with Planning Dep't, which seem to pale in view of THE OTHER ISSUES, that said, and I've put it in writing to various Elected Members, AM's and Staff: 'This Council needs, yes needs to be placed under SPECIAL MEASURES". The Welsh Assembly Government knows the situation - they should now table motions and take the necessary steps to 'Run' this Council. Democracy is not transparent, and in any case is not working. Please use Special Measures on the whole Council, and run it until the next due County Council Elections. Clive V James aka clivebeca. clivebeca
  • Score: 7

6:53pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Controversial stuff - They are FOR good things and against BAD things but will do s0d tout about the PCC "situation"

We've heard more from our MPs in the last 2 weeks than we've heard on four years - pity they're SUCH a shambles,

I wonder who will be in charge of counting their votes in the General Election in just under a years time - any money on BPJ ?
Controversial stuff - They are FOR good things and against BAD things but will do s0d tout about the PCC "situation" We've heard more from our MPs in the last 2 weeks than we've heard on four years - pity they're SUCH a shambles, I wonder who will be in charge of counting their votes in the General Election in just under a years time - any money on BPJ ? Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

9:50am Fri 22 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Most of the IPG councillors are Conservative, they've ruled Pembs. since it became its own authority with a rod of corruption and bullying

They know that If they'd called themselves Tories they'd never have won their seats, having said that hasn't half of the cabinet got their seats without a fight i.e not contested ?
but according to Jamie they are a democratic and pragmatic bunch, !!!! they are leemings hopefully they will all go over the edge together together.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Most of the IPG councillors are Conservative, they've ruled Pembs. since it became its own authority with a rod of corruption and bullying They know that If they'd called themselves Tories they'd never have won their seats, having said that hasn't half of the cabinet got their seats without a fight i.e not contested ?[/p][/quote]but according to Jamie they are a democratic and pragmatic bunch, !!!! they are leemings hopefully they will all go over the edge together together. seaveiw
  • Score: 1

9:10am Wed 27 Aug 14

teifion says...

Watching the news this morning about the goings on in Rotherham - calls for resignations, child abuse allegations quashed - sounds just like home :(
Watching the news this morning about the goings on in Rotherham - calls for resignations, child abuse allegations quashed - sounds just like home :( teifion
  • Score: 1
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