Welsh language row erupts over Pembrokeshire County Council job website

The wording that sparked the row.

The wording that sparked the row.

First published in News

Pembrokeshire County Council has changed the wording it uses on a social worker recruitment website after a link to a job advert sparked a Welsh language row.

The website had said that the Welsh language does not feature prominently in social care and said it would support anyone who wanted to learn “a few phrases in Welsh” as a courtesy.

It read: “In Pembrokeshire, the Welsh language does not feature prominently in the delivery of social care.

“Generally, Welsh is only spoken as a first language in some parts of north Pembrokeshire.”

It added: “We support social work, and other employees who would like to learn the language – if only to master a few phrases in welsh as a courtesy to service users.”

Cymdeithas yr Iaith (the Welsh Language Society) criticised the wording as “factually wrong and an insult to the people of Pembrokeshire and the Welsh language.”

Gwyndaf Tomos, a member of Cymdeithas yr Iaith, said: "It is outrageous that the council has said such a thing. Is the council suggesting that children in the south of the county do not need proper care and support in Welsh?

“The Welsh language is not just a language for parts of the north – it's a language for the whole county. For fluent speakers, learners and everyone who wishes to live in Welsh.

" How can we take the Council seriously in anything if this is their attitude towards the Welsh language? It gives the impression that the Council considers the language to be nothing more than a matter of courtesy and that it only needs to be recognised with a few choice phrases.”

Bethan Williams, area officer Cymdeithas yr Iaith in Pembrokeshire added: "One of the main things we are calling on the council to do straight away is to ensure that new jobs where a member of staff deals with the public makes the Welsh language an essential requirement.

"There is an opportunity here for the council to show that they are taking the Welsh language seriously by removing the advertisement, making the language essential.

“The Welsh Government's strategy - " More Than Words " should offer guidance in that respect, and should say clearly that care services in Welsh are essential to ensure a quality service for everyone."

A council spokesman said: “Pembrokeshire County Council has acknowledged that the information on its Social Work recruitment website did not accurately reflect the Authority’s position.

“This has now been removed.

“The Council is committed to implementing ‘More Than Just Words’ – the strategic framework for the Welsh language in health, social services and social care - and welcomes a dialogue from any interested party regarding how to meet the objectives set in this important document.”

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5:33pm Fri 17 Jan 14

chizy says...

Doh!!!!!
Doh!!!!! chizy
  • Score: 2

6:30pm Fri 17 Jan 14

patnurse says...

the fact that the council spokesman states "we would welcome dialogue from any interested party regarding how to meet the objectives set out in this important document",i.e "more than just words". Makes me think that they have no idea what they are going to do with this strategic framework that they are so committed to!!!!!!!!
the fact that the council spokesman states "we would welcome dialogue from any interested party regarding how to meet the objectives set out in this important document",i.e "more than just words". Makes me think that they have no idea what they are going to do with this strategic framework that they are so committed to!!!!!!!! patnurse
  • Score: 1

7:44pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Hyper-injunctions says...

This article should only allow welsh language comments. I will refuse to read any language other than welsh. I am not reading as I type vjovdshn hzejok
This article should only allow welsh language comments. I will refuse to read any language other than welsh. I am not reading as I type vjovdshn hzejok Hyper-injunctions
  • Score: -23

10:09pm Fri 17 Jan 14

teifion says...

BPJ - pay the most to get the best - yeah, right!


PS Anyone believe he'd leave for a better job If it were not for the new scheme where he pays less tax on his pension contributions
BPJ - pay the most to get the best - yeah, right! PS Anyone believe he'd leave for a better job If it were not for the new scheme where he pays less tax on his pension contributions teifion
  • Score: -13

1:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Electra1 says...

It shouldn't matter what the language is, it should be who ever is the most qualified for the job.
It shouldn't matter what the language is, it should be who ever is the most qualified for the job. Electra1
  • Score: 24

2:42pm Sat 18 Jan 14

julwill says...

Welsh is a dying language-promoted by the politically correct politicians
Welsh is a dying language-promoted by the politically correct politicians julwill
  • Score: 6

3:08pm Sat 18 Jan 14

North of the Landsker says...

What a load of pathetic nonsense. Who truly cares about this? What on earth has it got to do with the Welsh language? There are far more important and downright scandalous stories that the Western Telegraph should be reporting in the same detail as this article, relating to PCC. I, for once, am fully supporting PCC in this one. They have done nothing wrong whatsoever.

It is clearly a total press release emanating from this unpronounceable Welsh language organisation. Where is any evidence of the so-called 'Welsh language row' the article mentions? Other than this unpronounceable Welsh language society hearing about it, getting upset, and sending out a standard press release?

Well I'm sorry to break it to them, and any readers who were 'outraged' by this, but the Welsh Language is dying a death, there's nothing they nor nobody else can do about it, and it's a waste of time and effort putting it on 'life support' or mollycoddling it. English is the language of Wales, get used to it.
What a load of pathetic nonsense. Who truly cares about this? What on earth has it got to do with the Welsh language? There are far more important and downright scandalous stories that the Western Telegraph should be reporting in the same detail as this article, relating to PCC. I, for once, am fully supporting PCC in this one. They have done nothing wrong whatsoever. It is clearly a total press release emanating from this unpronounceable Welsh language organisation. Where is any evidence of the so-called 'Welsh language row' the article mentions? Other than this unpronounceable Welsh language society hearing about it, getting upset, and sending out a standard press release? Well I'm sorry to break it to them, and any readers who were 'outraged' by this, but the Welsh Language is dying a death, there's nothing they nor nobody else can do about it, and it's a waste of time and effort putting it on 'life support' or mollycoddling it. English is the language of Wales, get used to it. North of the Landsker
  • Score: 18

6:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

teifion says...

trenu mawr beth mae rhai bradwyr yma yn dweud am y iaith yn marw - ewch nol i Loegr.
South Pembs is NOT Little England beyond Wales - ITS WALES
trenu mawr beth mae rhai bradwyr yma yn dweud am y iaith yn marw - ewch nol i Loegr. South Pembs is NOT Little England beyond Wales - ITS WALES teifion
  • Score: -13

7:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Hyper-injunctions says...

teifion wrote:
trenu mawr beth mae rhai bradwyr yma yn dweud am y iaith yn marw - ewch nol i Loegr.
South Pembs is NOT Little England beyond Wales - ITS WALES
+1
[quote][p][bold]teifion[/bold] wrote: trenu mawr beth mae rhai bradwyr yma yn dweud am y iaith yn marw - ewch nol i Loegr. South Pembs is NOT Little England beyond Wales - ITS WALES[/p][/quote]+1 Hyper-injunctions
  • Score: -15

8:04pm Sat 18 Jan 14

neil p says...

North of the Landsker:

Completely agree with you, there has been countless millions of pounds spend on propping up the Welsh language, by the labour led shambles in Cardiff, to what ends ?

How on earth can they justify throwing more funds down the drain to support a language that brings no financial benefits to the country at all when there are those who are struggling on a day to day basis.

We are already lag behind the rest of the UK educationally wise and regularly present the begging bowl to the EU.

Its a complete disgrace that the PCC have bowed to this bunch, they are probably petrified of being branded "racist" the phrase that gets banded about whenever socialist lefties are cornered.
North of the Landsker: Completely agree with you, there has been countless millions of pounds spend on propping up the Welsh language, by the labour led shambles in Cardiff, to what ends ? How on earth can they justify throwing more funds down the drain to support a language that brings no financial benefits to the country at all when there are those who are struggling on a day to day basis. We are already lag behind the rest of the UK educationally wise and regularly present the begging bowl to the EU. Its a complete disgrace that the PCC have bowed to this bunch, they are probably petrified of being branded "racist" the phrase that gets banded about whenever socialist lefties are cornered. neil p
  • Score: 18

10:43pm Sat 18 Jan 14

teifion says...

Electra1 wrote:
It shouldn't matter what the language is, it should be who ever is the most qualified for the job.
It proves my case how ruddy STUPID some ppl are, what's the point IF you're qualified but speak Mandarin - Give me strength!
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: It shouldn't matter what the language is, it should be who ever is the most qualified for the job.[/p][/quote]It proves my case how ruddy STUPID some ppl are, what's the point IF you're qualified but speak Mandarin - Give me strength! teifion
  • Score: -11

10:55pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Flashbang says...

I'm very proud to be Welsh but spare me the hypothesis that only Welsh speakers should be employed for any job in Wales. Most people understand English throughout the world and Wales is no different. This is just grandstanding by some organisation that receives public funding to justify it's existence. I bet anyone of them would soon resort to English if they needed help in an overseas country.
I'm very proud to be Welsh but spare me the hypothesis that only Welsh speakers should be employed for any job in Wales. Most people understand English throughout the world and Wales is no different. This is just grandstanding by some organisation that receives public funding to justify it's existence. I bet anyone of them would soon resort to English if they needed help in an overseas country. Flashbang
  • Score: 20

11:01pm Sat 18 Jan 14

sime17 says...

I'm kind of split on this one. I'm really concerned about the power of the Welsh lobby in proportion to the language's use, and the considerable sums of money spent on it in these austere times. I mean, has the Cymdeithas spokeswoman 'for Pembrokeshire' ever been here? In Milford for eg you're more likely to hear Polish, Spanish or Portugese being spoken as Welsh. Like it or not Welsh is irrelevant to the vast majority of the population of this County (and indeed the Country in population terms). However I respect the fact that it is first language in much of the sparsely populated North of the county and this is where I'm split - I wonder if we have ANY Welsh-speaking social workers in PCC, as I'm sure the isolated rural communities which typify the Welsh-speaking areas of Pembrokeshire can have their share of social problems!
As for stating that any public-facing job in the council should be filled by a Welsh speaker - really? I honestly think the fervant Welsh language lobby believes that all non-Welsh speakers in Wales have just arrived on the last train in from England (not that there's anything wrong with that!!) - but this many-generation Harfat boy begs to differ. Celebrate it where it's still in genuine use sure - but don't try and force it into areas where it hasn't been a significant language for hundreds of years.
I'm kind of split on this one. I'm really concerned about the power of the Welsh lobby in proportion to the language's use, and the considerable sums of money spent on it in these austere times. I mean, has the Cymdeithas spokeswoman 'for Pembrokeshire' ever been here? In Milford for eg you're more likely to hear Polish, Spanish or Portugese being spoken as Welsh. Like it or not Welsh is irrelevant to the vast majority of the population of this County (and indeed the Country in population terms). However I respect the fact that it is first language in much of the sparsely populated North of the county and this is where I'm split - I wonder if we have ANY Welsh-speaking social workers in PCC, as I'm sure the isolated rural communities which typify the Welsh-speaking areas of Pembrokeshire can have their share of social problems! As for stating that any public-facing job in the council should be filled by a Welsh speaker - really? I honestly think the fervant Welsh language lobby believes that all non-Welsh speakers in Wales have just arrived on the last train in from England (not that there's anything wrong with that!!) - but this many-generation Harfat boy begs to differ. Celebrate it where it's still in genuine use sure - but don't try and force it into areas where it hasn't been a significant language for hundreds of years. sime17
  • Score: 28

1:26am Sun 19 Jan 14

Andrew Lye says...

The County Council has obviously changed since I phoned them in 2002 to ask if they had any vacancies, when I was made redundant on the collapse of ITV Digital at Pembroke Dock.
I briefly explained my local government experience and the person on the phone asked if I spoke Welsh. I said no and that was the end of it.
It is in effect a barrier that keeps non-Welsh speaking people out.
The County Council has obviously changed since I phoned them in 2002 to ask if they had any vacancies, when I was made redundant on the collapse of ITV Digital at Pembroke Dock. I briefly explained my local government experience and the person on the phone asked if I spoke Welsh. I said no and that was the end of it. It is in effect a barrier that keeps non-Welsh speaking people out. Andrew Lye
  • Score: -5

9:29am Sun 19 Jan 14

teifion says...

neil p wrote:
North of the Landsker:

Completely agree with you, there has been countless millions of pounds spend on propping up the Welsh language, by the labour led shambles in Cardiff, to what ends ?

How on earth can they justify throwing more funds down the drain to support a language that brings no financial benefits to the country at all when there are those who are struggling on a day to day basis.

We are already lag behind the rest of the UK educationally wise and regularly present the begging bowl to the EU.

Its a complete disgrace that the PCC have bowed to this bunch, they are probably petrified of being branded "racist" the phrase that gets banded about whenever socialist lefties are cornered.
Just think about what you're stating - Is it a criminal waste of money for kids to be taught English in England ?
[quote][p][bold]neil p[/bold] wrote: North of the Landsker: Completely agree with you, there has been countless millions of pounds spend on propping up the Welsh language, by the labour led shambles in Cardiff, to what ends ? How on earth can they justify throwing more funds down the drain to support a language that brings no financial benefits to the country at all when there are those who are struggling on a day to day basis. We are already lag behind the rest of the UK educationally wise and regularly present the begging bowl to the EU. Its a complete disgrace that the PCC have bowed to this bunch, they are probably petrified of being branded "racist" the phrase that gets banded about whenever socialist lefties are cornered.[/p][/quote]Just think about what you're stating - Is it a criminal waste of money for kids to be taught English in England ? teifion
  • Score: -18

11:04am Sun 19 Jan 14

Tttoommy says...

I do wonder about these ppl who mark down obvious truths and common sense.
Having seen these comments down over the last year I assume that these ppl want - a worse NHS, worse skools (not enough bullying) believe we live in England (not Wales) we have too much democracy, councils should in principle be corrupt, we want more councillors, masonry (a secret society whose aim is to help fellow members of the coven ) is a good thing for the Democratic process, we do not pay senior councill staff ENOUGH money - never realised Pembrokeshire had so many daft nutters - oops, sorry I meant so many citizens enjoying "care in the community"

LOL
I do wonder about these ppl who mark down obvious truths and common sense. Having seen these comments down over the last year I assume that these ppl want - a worse NHS, worse skools (not enough bullying) believe we live in England (not Wales) we have too much democracy, councils should in principle be corrupt, we want more councillors, masonry (a secret society whose aim is to help fellow members of the coven ) is a good thing for the Democratic process, we do not pay senior councill staff ENOUGH money - never realised Pembrokeshire had so many daft nutters - oops, sorry I meant so many citizens enjoying "care in the community" LOL Tttoommy
  • Score: -17

11:22am Sun 19 Jan 14

sime17 says...

Andrew Lye wrote:
The County Council has obviously changed since I phoned them in 2002 to ask if they had any vacancies, when I was made redundant on the collapse of ITV Digital at Pembroke Dock.
I briefly explained my local government experience and the person on the phone asked if I spoke Welsh. I said no and that was the end of it.
It is in effect a barrier that keeps non-Welsh speaking people out.
Andrew I think you must have had the misfortune to be put through to the chief fobber-off. The number of Welsh speakers in the Council is certainly not at a level consistent with a situation where every mono-lingual applicant has been turned away since 2002! Perhaps the only vacancy at the time you rang required a Welsh speaker? :)

And Teifion - think what you're stating - it's hardly the same! English is still one of the principal international languages, Welsh is the first language of only a small percentage of the population of this small country. I believe that people in Welsh first-language communities have the right to conduct their lives in Welsh wherever practicable, but promoting and demanding the broader use of the language in the way Cymdeithas currently are is unrealistic, and it would be a criminal waste of money if their 'eutopia' was realised.
[quote][p][bold]Andrew Lye[/bold] wrote: The County Council has obviously changed since I phoned them in 2002 to ask if they had any vacancies, when I was made redundant on the collapse of ITV Digital at Pembroke Dock. I briefly explained my local government experience and the person on the phone asked if I spoke Welsh. I said no and that was the end of it. It is in effect a barrier that keeps non-Welsh speaking people out.[/p][/quote]Andrew I think you must have had the misfortune to be put through to the chief fobber-off. The number of Welsh speakers in the Council is certainly not at a level consistent with a situation where every mono-lingual applicant has been turned away since 2002! Perhaps the only vacancy at the time you rang required a Welsh speaker? :) And Teifion - think what you're stating - it's hardly the same! English is still one of the principal international languages, Welsh is the first language of only a small percentage of the population of this small country. I believe that people in Welsh first-language communities have the right to conduct their lives in Welsh wherever practicable, but promoting and demanding the broader use of the language in the way Cymdeithas currently are is unrealistic, and it would be a criminal waste of money if their 'eutopia' was realised. sime17
  • Score: 23

4:52pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Cymru bach says...

I don't agree that non Welsh speakers should be discriminated against, but there are some jobs in Wales where it is necessary to speak Welsh. That is not essential of course for all jobs and Andrew's treatment was unacceptable.

Pembrokeshire CC seem to treat the necessity of Welsh or not to suit themselves, for example it's essential to have a new Welsh School in Tenby as it goes with getting a big grant from Cardiff for building it, and theCouncil then can acquire a new school building at no cost to themselves. They don't care about the furtherance or not or Welsh just getting a new school paid for by Cardiff.

They also need to check the official notice for new car parking charges which is full of Jibberish non meaning Welsh eg Multi Storey in Tenby is translated as 'am loriau' which translates as 'about lorries'. I believe that this makes the notice for new car parking charges illegal incidentally.
I don't agree that non Welsh speakers should be discriminated against, but there are some jobs in Wales where it is necessary to speak Welsh. That is not essential of course for all jobs and Andrew's treatment was unacceptable. Pembrokeshire CC seem to treat the necessity of Welsh or not to suit themselves, for example it's essential to have a new Welsh School in Tenby as it goes with getting a big grant from Cardiff for building it, and theCouncil then can acquire a new school building at no cost to themselves. They don't care about the furtherance or not or Welsh just getting a new school paid for by Cardiff. They also need to check the official notice for new car parking charges which is full of Jibberish non meaning Welsh eg Multi Storey in Tenby is translated as 'am loriau' which translates as 'about lorries'. I believe that this makes the notice for new car parking charges illegal incidentally. Cymru bach
  • Score: 13

7:38pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Tttoommy says...

Cymru bach wrote:
I don't agree that non Welsh speakers should be discriminated against, but there are some jobs in Wales where it is necessary to speak Welsh. That is not essential of course for all jobs and Andrew's treatment was unacceptable.

Pembrokeshire CC seem to treat the necessity of Welsh or not to suit themselves, for example it's essential to have a new Welsh School in Tenby as it goes with getting a big grant from Cardiff for building it, and theCouncil then can acquire a new school building at no cost to themselves. They don't care about the furtherance or not or Welsh just getting a new school paid for by Cardiff.

They also need to check the official notice for new car parking charges which is full of Jibberish non meaning Welsh eg Multi Storey in Tenby is translated as 'am loriau' which translates as 'about lorries'. I believe that this makes the notice for new car parking charges illegal incidentally.
that's as good as Tescos Pembroke Dock refusing to correct the welsh words for sausages and yogurts - they just don't care :((
[quote][p][bold]Cymru bach[/bold] wrote: I don't agree that non Welsh speakers should be discriminated against, but there are some jobs in Wales where it is necessary to speak Welsh. That is not essential of course for all jobs and Andrew's treatment was unacceptable. Pembrokeshire CC seem to treat the necessity of Welsh or not to suit themselves, for example it's essential to have a new Welsh School in Tenby as it goes with getting a big grant from Cardiff for building it, and theCouncil then can acquire a new school building at no cost to themselves. They don't care about the furtherance or not or Welsh just getting a new school paid for by Cardiff. They also need to check the official notice for new car parking charges which is full of Jibberish non meaning Welsh eg Multi Storey in Tenby is translated as 'am loriau' which translates as 'about lorries'. I believe that this makes the notice for new car parking charges illegal incidentally.[/p][/quote]that's as good as Tescos Pembroke Dock refusing to correct the welsh words for sausages and yogurts - they just don't care :(( Tttoommy
  • Score: -5

8:19pm Sun 19 Jan 14

sime17 says...

Dude - in Pembroke Dock I doubt ANYONE cared! Surely you must be aware that nobody speaks Welsh in Pembroke Dock - I wonder how long it took for anyone to notice, and I'd bet my life savings that it wasn't somebody who lives there who did notice.

It's like that Industrial Estate sign in Swansea that said 'I'm out of the office try again Monday' due to the reply from the interpreter! :D That was probably up for months in Swansea - and when nobody notices what does that tell you about how useful it is! I'm afraid 'It's Wales so it should be in Welsh' is a bit silly when nobody in the area speaks the language. I hope nobody finds this sentiment offensive, it really isn't meant to be - it's just fact.
Dude - in Pembroke Dock I doubt ANYONE cared! Surely you must be aware that nobody speaks Welsh in Pembroke Dock - I wonder how long it took for anyone to notice, and I'd bet my life savings that it wasn't somebody who lives there who did notice. It's like that Industrial Estate sign in Swansea that said 'I'm out of the office try again Monday' due to the reply from the interpreter! :D That was probably up for months in Swansea - and when nobody notices what does that tell you about how useful it is! I'm afraid 'It's Wales so it should be in Welsh' is a bit silly when nobody in the area speaks the language. I hope nobody finds this sentiment offensive, it really isn't meant to be - it's just fact. sime17
  • Score: 15

10:56pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Cymru bach says...

Sime17 you might not speak Welsh and not care, but I can assure that there are people who do care.

We are in Wales and Welsh is our language, the Anglicisation of South Pembrokeshire goes back a long way including it being a Royalist stronghold in the Civil war. As a First language welsh speaker I fully appreciate the heritage, history and culture of the Welsh language. I feel privileged to be able to speak it and it is very unfortunate that the great majority of people miss out on the pleasures of being able to enjoy the language.

Try and learn a few words of Welsh a day, - after a year you will know a lot more than you might think. Those that are able to speak Welsh certainly don't consider it to be a waste of time. And a rich culture and heritage will be open to you.
Sime17 you might not speak Welsh and not care, but I can assure that there are people who do care. We are in Wales and Welsh is our language, the Anglicisation of South Pembrokeshire goes back a long way including it being a Royalist stronghold in the Civil war. As a First language welsh speaker I fully appreciate the heritage, history and culture of the Welsh language. I feel privileged to be able to speak it and it is very unfortunate that the great majority of people miss out on the pleasures of being able to enjoy the language. Try and learn a few words of Welsh a day, - after a year you will know a lot more than you might think. Those that are able to speak Welsh certainly don't consider it to be a waste of time. And a rich culture and heritage will be open to you. Cymru bach
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Flashbang says...

Cymru Bach
"The Anglicisation of South Pembrokeshire goes back a long way including it being a Royalist stronghold in the Civil war"
I think the precedent has been set that Pembrokeshire has a long standing historical tradition of speaking English which should be taken into consideration. As you are accommodating the majority of readers by writing in English you obviously understand that most of us were never taught Welsh in the first place through no fault of our own. Much as we'd like to be fluent it's not always possible or practicable to get access to a Welsh language course.
Cymru Bach "The Anglicisation of South Pembrokeshire goes back a long way including it being a Royalist stronghold in the Civil war" I think the precedent has been set that Pembrokeshire has a long standing historical tradition of speaking English which should be taken into consideration. As you are accommodating the majority of readers by writing in English you obviously understand that most of us were never taught Welsh in the first place through no fault of our own. Much as we'd like to be fluent it's not always possible or practicable to get access to a Welsh language course. Flashbang
  • Score: 3

9:01am Mon 20 Jan 14

Tttoommy says...

sime17 wrote:
Dude - in Pembroke Dock I doubt ANYONE cared! Surely you must be aware that nobody speaks Welsh in Pembroke Dock - I wonder how long it took for anyone to notice, and I'd bet my life savings that it wasn't somebody who lives there who did notice.

It's like that Industrial Estate sign in Swansea that said 'I'm out of the office try again Monday' due to the reply from the interpreter! :D That was probably up for months in Swansea - and when nobody notices what does that tell you about how useful it is! I'm afraid 'It's Wales so it should be in Welsh' is a bit silly when nobody in the area speaks the language. I hope nobody finds this sentiment offensive, it really isn't meant to be - it's just fact.
I'm in Pembroke and I'm a welsh speaker - does that count ?

If the answers Yes, I'll post my bank account details here ;-)
[quote][p][bold]sime17[/bold] wrote: Dude - in Pembroke Dock I doubt ANYONE cared! Surely you must be aware that nobody speaks Welsh in Pembroke Dock - I wonder how long it took for anyone to notice, and I'd bet my life savings that it wasn't somebody who lives there who did notice. It's like that Industrial Estate sign in Swansea that said 'I'm out of the office try again Monday' due to the reply from the interpreter! :D That was probably up for months in Swansea - and when nobody notices what does that tell you about how useful it is! I'm afraid 'It's Wales so it should be in Welsh' is a bit silly when nobody in the area speaks the language. I hope nobody finds this sentiment offensive, it really isn't meant to be - it's just fact.[/p][/quote]I'm in Pembroke and I'm a welsh speaker - does that count ? If the answers Yes, I'll post my bank account details here ;-) Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

10:30am Wed 22 Jan 14

malcolm calver says...

The education system has failed children in Pembrokeshire with many having a lack of basic English, surely it is time schools concentrated on teaching English rather than Welsh.
I note the point made by Cymru bach regarding the funding of the school in Tenby by the Welsh Assembly, with the agreement of all the political parties, surely proves they are totally out of touch of the needs of future generations.
The education system has failed children in Pembrokeshire with many having a lack of basic English, surely it is time schools concentrated on teaching English rather than Welsh. I note the point made by Cymru bach regarding the funding of the school in Tenby by the Welsh Assembly, with the agreement of all the political parties, surely proves they are totally out of touch of the needs of future generations. malcolm calver
  • Score: 13

5:18pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Electra1 says...

teifion wrote:
Electra1 wrote:
It shouldn't matter what the language is, it should be who ever is the most qualified for the job.
It proves my case how ruddy STUPID some ppl are, what's the point IF you're qualified but speak Mandarin - Give me strength!
Don't call me stupid that is one thing I am not. I am just stating that all that should matter is the ability to do the job.

How qualified are you?
[quote][p][bold]teifion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: It shouldn't matter what the language is, it should be who ever is the most qualified for the job.[/p][/quote]It proves my case how ruddy STUPID some ppl are, what's the point IF you're qualified but speak Mandarin - Give me strength![/p][/quote]Don't call me stupid that is one thing I am not. I am just stating that all that should matter is the ability to do the job. How qualified are you? Electra1
  • Score: 8

2:09pm Thu 23 Jan 14

downbelow says...

The Welsh Language 'Taliban' should just shut up , better still there should be a free vote on whether OUR money should continue to be spent on trying to force people to speak what is in S.Pembs , is certainly a foreign language . The dialect words of S.Pembs as catalogued by B.G.Charles has been all but lost & ignored by the Language fanatics. I understand that Pembs was populated by Ancient Brits before the Celts came up from the Iberian Peninsular , anyway just learning the language does not make you Welsh. Stop wasting OUR money & being divisive as well as putting of businesses who may have transferred jobs here but realised the costs & compulsions & withdrew.
The Welsh Language 'Taliban' should just shut up , better still there should be a free vote on whether OUR money should continue to be spent on trying to force people to speak what is in S.Pembs , is certainly a foreign language . The dialect words of S.Pembs as catalogued by B.G.Charles has been all but lost & ignored by the Language fanatics. I understand that Pembs was populated by Ancient Brits before the Celts came up from the Iberian Peninsular , anyway just learning the language does not make you Welsh. Stop wasting OUR money & being divisive as well as putting of businesses who may have transferred jobs here but realised the costs & compulsions & withdrew. downbelow
  • Score: 6

6:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Cymru bach says...

I cannot believe some of the anti Welsh sentiment and comments on here.

With one going as far as calling those in support of Welsh the Taliban!

Why don't we just do away with Wales and call it all England, - perhaps you would be happy then?
Or alternatively do you want independence for the principality of South Pembrokeshire!

Woe betide that we have the Welsh language on our signs and teach Welsh in our schools etc!
I cannot believe some of the anti Welsh sentiment and comments on here. With one going as far as calling those in support of Welsh the Taliban! Why don't we just do away with Wales and call it all England, - perhaps you would be happy then? Or alternatively do you want independence for the principality of South Pembrokeshire! Woe betide that we have the Welsh language on our signs and teach Welsh in our schools etc! Cymru bach
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9:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

neil p says...

Cymru Bach:

Generations of my family in Pembrokeshire have never so much as utterered a word of Welsh for hundreds of years, I intend to keep this going as part of my personal heritage. Many are of a similar persuasion however, I am far from being anti Welsh.
You have to remember that having the welsh language forced upon us is effectively the same as the way English was forced upon areas of Welsh speakers a hundred years ago, how did they feel !
Cymru Bach: Generations of my family in Pembrokeshire have never so much as utterered a word of Welsh for hundreds of years, I intend to keep this going as part of my personal heritage. Many are of a similar persuasion however, I am far from being anti Welsh. You have to remember that having the welsh language forced upon us is effectively the same as the way English was forced upon areas of Welsh speakers a hundred years ago, how did they feel ! neil p
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7:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Cymru bach says...

neil p wrote:
Cymru Bach:

Generations of my family in Pembrokeshire have never so much as utterered a word of Welsh for hundreds of years, I intend to keep this going as part of my personal heritage. Many are of a similar persuasion however, I am far from being anti Welsh.
You have to remember that having the welsh language forced upon us is effectively the same as the way English was forced upon areas of Welsh speakers a hundred years ago, how did they feel !
How can having Welsh on road signs etc or teaching our children Welsh in school in our own Country be considered as being forced upon someone?

Unfortunately for you Neil, Pembrokeshire is part of Wales, and I feel you should be proud of the language and heritage of Wales as a whole.

As I mentioned in an earlier posting the alternative is to do away with Wales and call it all England! I just do not understand that you, and as you claim others like you want to deny your children the heritage and history and opportunity of Wales and the Welsh language.

If in the future Wales was to face a referendum on independence, like Scotland later this year, and the vote was for yes., I suspect that you would want Pembrokeshire to stay with England, - a bit like Giibraltar is at the moment?
[quote][p][bold]neil p[/bold] wrote: Cymru Bach: Generations of my family in Pembrokeshire have never so much as utterered a word of Welsh for hundreds of years, I intend to keep this going as part of my personal heritage. Many are of a similar persuasion however, I am far from being anti Welsh. You have to remember that having the welsh language forced upon us is effectively the same as the way English was forced upon areas of Welsh speakers a hundred years ago, how did they feel ![/p][/quote]How can having Welsh on road signs etc or teaching our children Welsh in school in our own Country be considered as being forced upon someone? Unfortunately for you Neil, Pembrokeshire is part of Wales, and I feel you should be proud of the language and heritage of Wales as a whole. As I mentioned in an earlier posting the alternative is to do away with Wales and call it all England! I just do not understand that you, and as you claim others like you want to deny your children the heritage and history and opportunity of Wales and the Welsh language. If in the future Wales was to face a referendum on independence, like Scotland later this year, and the vote was for yes., I suspect that you would want Pembrokeshire to stay with England, - a bit like Giibraltar is at the moment? Cymru bach
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12:01am Sat 25 Jan 14

sime17 says...

Cb: 'The alternative is to do away with Wales and call it all England' - I don't think this line does you any favours (either time you posted it!). It suggests the subtle nuances of what we are discussing here are maybe lost on you ;)

If it helps I honestly believe the sentiments expressed here by me and other English-speaking locals are not about hostility toward the Welsh language and culture, just a sort of passive indifference, perhaps mixed with a smattering of indignance that some people seem to want us to feel guilty about it!

Speaking personally, I have the utmost respect for the fact that the Welsh language is prevalent in some areas of the County, and the Country. We however are specifically talking about South Pembrokeshire - yes we are geographically in Wales but you must surely agree that the vast majority of people born and brought up south of the Lansker are English speaking. This centuries-old scenario is unlikely to change just because Cymdeithas demands it, or WG spend our money promoting it, or indeed because some here seem to harbour some quaint but slightly bemusing righteous-indignatio
n about it! :)

And I wouldn't worry, after the mess that WG has made of governing us, I don't think we need to be concerned about a 'yes' vote for independence in Wales any time soon. Unfortunately though we can look forward to lots more of our tax being spent on measures which, according to the most recent census, have basically been counter productive. :( If I may invoke my own unique language and culture briefly, WG have demonstrated an adeptness for being 'kift' and exhibited some pretty 'caffled' priorities. I hope I spelled those correcly, they unfortunately didn't cover them in school.

By the way, if Tttoommy is still following this - yep, good enough for me squire, a £5 postal order will be on its way to you shortly :)
Cb: 'The alternative is to do away with Wales and call it all England' - I don't think this line does you any favours (either time you posted it!). It suggests the subtle nuances of what we are discussing here are maybe lost on you ;) If it helps I honestly believe the sentiments expressed here by me and other English-speaking locals are not about hostility toward the Welsh language and culture, just a sort of passive indifference, perhaps mixed with a smattering of indignance that some people seem to want us to feel guilty about it! Speaking personally, I have the utmost respect for the fact that the Welsh language is prevalent in some areas of the County, and the Country. We however are specifically talking about South Pembrokeshire - yes we are geographically in Wales but you must surely agree that the vast majority of people born and brought up south of the Lansker are English speaking. This centuries-old scenario is unlikely to change just because Cymdeithas demands it, or WG spend our money promoting it, or indeed because some here seem to harbour some quaint but slightly bemusing righteous-indignatio n about it! :) And I wouldn't worry, after the mess that WG has made of governing us, I don't think we need to be concerned about a 'yes' vote for independence in Wales any time soon. Unfortunately though we can look forward to lots more of our tax being spent on measures which, according to the most recent census, have basically been counter productive. :( If I may invoke my own unique language and culture briefly, WG have demonstrated an adeptness for being 'kift' and exhibited some pretty 'caffled' priorities. I hope I spelled those correcly, they unfortunately didn't cover them in school. By the way, if Tttoommy is still following this - yep, good enough for me squire, a £5 postal order will be on its way to you shortly :) sime17
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