Bid to extend webcast to all council meetings voted down

Council leader Jamie Adams during a previous council webcast.

Council leader Jamie Adams during a previous council webcast.

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A BID to webcast all Pembrokeshire County Council meetings was voted down by nine votes last Thursday (May 1).

Cllrs Paul Miller, Mike Stoddart, Roderick Bowen, Tony Wilcox and Jacob Williams called for all committee meetings to be webcast in the same way full council is. The motion was defeated by 31 votes to 22.

Full council meetings have been webcast since December 12 2013. A government grant paid for the existing system and initial running costs totalling more than £27,000.

But according to a report by the head of legal and committee services Huw Miller, the initial cost of rolling out webcasting in all committee rooms would be £11,340, with annual costs of £25,778.

His report stated: “There is no budgetary provision for these costs and the 2014/15 budget approved at the last council meeting requires the delivery of significant cost reductions.”

Council leader Cllr Jamie Adams said: “I accept that there’s an interest as to what happens in the chamber but I’m very clear that we tread on dangerous ground where our approved budget for this year stands to be changed on this matter and will affect the services in this county.”

Cllr David Bryan suggested holding committee meetings at the council chambers to minimise costs, while Jacob Williams said it was unfair of Cllr Adams to suggest other services would suffer as a result.

“This myth that the council budget is down to the last £25,000 is ridiculous,” said Cllr Stoddart. “The budget is not as precise an instrument as that.”

He added: “For Cllr Adams to talk about cuts to services is just fantasy island as far as I’m concerned.”

Cllr Tessa Hodgson said webcasting had been a “force for good”. She added: “People are engaged in democracy like never before since webcasting. We cannot put a price on democracy.” Many members agreed.

But Cllr Wynne Evans expressed concerns for members of the public speaking at planning committee meetings. “Webcasting could be very scary for them,” he said. “It could put people off coming.”

Cllr Ken Rowlands said people were more concerned about what councillors were doing in the community than in county hall, while Cllr Keith Lewis called on members to wait for a “systematic review” after 12 months of webcasting.

"What we are talking about here is the opportunity for everyone in Pembrokeshire to see what we are doing on their behalf," Cllr Miller said.

Members voted in favour of extending the current contract to run for 12 months.

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4:44pm Mon 5 May 14

Electra1 says...

Afraid of us knowing too much eh?
Afraid of us knowing too much eh? Electra1
  • Score: 9

4:50pm Mon 5 May 14

Tttoommy says...

I can understand jamie doesn't want the stone lifted so that we can see their seedy, two timing hypochrisy
I can understand jamie doesn't want the stone lifted so that we can see their seedy, two timing hypochrisy Tttoommy
  • Score: 7

4:51pm Mon 5 May 14

Electra1 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
I can understand jamie doesn't want the stone lifted so that we can see their seedy, two timing hypochrisy
Yes, just incase we don't vote them in the next time.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: I can understand jamie doesn't want the stone lifted so that we can see their seedy, two timing hypochrisy[/p][/quote]Yes, just incase we don't vote them in the next time. Electra1
  • Score: 5

5:29pm Mon 5 May 14

chizy says...

One day local politics will be transparent.
Just a shame that day is a long way off while Jamie is there.

I'm sure we know who the 31 are, bound to be the usual suspects.
One day local politics will be transparent. Just a shame that day is a long way off while Jamie is there. I'm sure we know who the 31 are, bound to be the usual suspects. chizy
  • Score: 2

8:30pm Mon 5 May 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

What price do you put on openness and transparency in government?

They will not spend a measly £25k on it.

What a bunch of sniveling, conniving, scheming, underhand, treacherous cowards.

I hope they all meet the end they deserve.
What price do you put on openness and transparency in government? They will not spend a measly £25k on it. What a bunch of sniveling, conniving, scheming, underhand, treacherous cowards. I hope they all meet the end they deserve. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 5

11:45pm Mon 5 May 14

dave-javu says...

I can see where Councillor Evans is coming from when he states “It could put people off coming.” There were a number of Councillors absent from the meeting, I wonder why, is it because they did not want to show their true colours ?
I can see where Councillor Evans is coming from when he states “It could put people off coming.” There were a number of Councillors absent from the meeting, I wonder why, is it because they did not want to show their true colours ? dave-javu
  • Score: 2

6:41am Tue 6 May 14

Electra1 says...

dave-javu wrote:
I can see where Councillor Evans is coming from when he states “It could put people off coming.” There were a number of Councillors absent from the meeting, I wonder why, is it because they did not want to show their true colours ?
Afraid of not getting voted in the next time if their constituents see what they truly believe in.
[quote][p][bold]dave-javu[/bold] wrote: I can see where Councillor Evans is coming from when he states “It could put people off coming.” There were a number of Councillors absent from the meeting, I wonder why, is it because they did not want to show their true colours ?[/p][/quote]Afraid of not getting voted in the next time if their constituents see what they truly believe in. Electra1
  • Score: 2

8:23am Tue 6 May 14

dave-javu says...

"Council leader Cllr Jamie Adams said: “I accept that there’s an interest as to what happens in the chamber but I’m very clear that we tread on dangerous ground where our approved budget for this year stands to be changed on this matter and will affect the services in this county.” "

Did Mr Adams also think that he was "treading on dangerous ground" when he put in his claim for 4 years worth of back dated expenses ?
"Council leader Cllr Jamie Adams said: “I accept that there’s an interest as to what happens in the chamber but I’m very clear that we tread on dangerous ground where our approved budget for this year stands to be changed on this matter and will affect the services in this county.” " Did Mr Adams also think that he was "treading on dangerous ground" when he put in his claim for 4 years worth of back dated expenses ? dave-javu
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Tue 6 May 14

Bilbo101 says...

In all fairness this motion was voted down mainly because the trail period had not yet run it's course and an assessment of the costs vs benefits had not yet taken place. I watched the webcast on the councillors discussing this matter and the majority of Councillors appeared very much in favour of continuing the webcasting, although there was the usual dodgy suspects opposing the continued use and extension.

We all know what an incompetent disgrace Councillor Adams is and his band of yes men. Their time is rapidly running out now as it has become more obvious that they are not acting in the best interests of the people of Pembrokeshire and I believe they stand little chance of being re-elected.

The 21 councillors who voted not to ask Bryn Parry-Jones to repay the unlawful payments made to him are by enlarge the same councillors who always vote in favour of the golden boy and all these need to go asap. I was hoping to supply a list of all their names, as many people have been requesting this, but as many of the 21 kept their microphones switched off when they cast their votes then it is very difficult to hear exactly how they voted. But hopefully soon someone will discover exactly who they were and publish a list and then we can all see for ourselves who the 21 were who let us all down so badly.

With regards to the webcasting, then I am confident that this facility will continue and eventually be extended to all meetings as the arguments in favour greatly outweigh the feeble arguments against put forward By Adams and his cronies.

It is amazing that whenever it comes to defending the indefensible, Adams and his crew have no problem in lavishing 1000's of pound on external consultants to make unpopular proposals and expensive external lawyers to fight Bryns unlawful pension payment but they won't support extending the webcasting because I believe they don't want their dodgy dealings exposed.

There are so much shady deals going on in county hall and being swept under the carpet and written off as mistakes and what we need is a proper investigation and those responsible need to be held accountable and if necessary prosecuted if found that they acted illegally. What is clear is that they are either incompetent or just plain abusing their position. The people of Pembrokeshire cannot afford to wait until the next council elections to get rid of these 21 unscrupulous councillors and a way needs to be found to remove them prior before they waste even more of our money.
In all fairness this motion was voted down mainly because the trail period had not yet run it's course and an assessment of the costs vs benefits had not yet taken place. I watched the webcast on the councillors discussing this matter and the majority of Councillors appeared very much in favour of continuing the webcasting, although there was the usual dodgy suspects opposing the continued use and extension. We all know what an incompetent disgrace Councillor Adams is and his band of yes men. Their time is rapidly running out now as it has become more obvious that they are not acting in the best interests of the people of Pembrokeshire and I believe they stand little chance of being re-elected. The 21 councillors who voted not to ask Bryn Parry-Jones to repay the unlawful payments made to him are by enlarge the same councillors who always vote in favour of the golden boy and all these need to go asap. I was hoping to supply a list of all their names, as many people have been requesting this, but as many of the 21 kept their microphones switched off when they cast their votes then it is very difficult to hear exactly how they voted. But hopefully soon someone will discover exactly who they were and publish a list and then we can all see for ourselves who the 21 were who let us all down so badly. With regards to the webcasting, then I am confident that this facility will continue and eventually be extended to all meetings as the arguments in favour greatly outweigh the feeble arguments against put forward By Adams and his cronies. It is amazing that whenever it comes to defending the indefensible, Adams and his crew have no problem in lavishing 1000's of pound on external consultants to make unpopular proposals and expensive external lawyers to fight Bryns unlawful pension payment but they won't support extending the webcasting because I believe they don't want their dodgy dealings exposed. There are so much shady deals going on in county hall and being swept under the carpet and written off as mistakes and what we need is a proper investigation and those responsible need to be held accountable and if necessary prosecuted if found that they acted illegally. What is clear is that they are either incompetent or just plain abusing their position. The people of Pembrokeshire cannot afford to wait until the next council elections to get rid of these 21 unscrupulous councillors and a way needs to be found to remove them prior before they waste even more of our money. Bilbo101
  • Score: 4

1:22pm Tue 6 May 14

Electra1 says...

Bilbo101 wrote:
In all fairness this motion was voted down mainly because the trail period had not yet run it's course and an assessment of the costs vs benefits had not yet taken place. I watched the webcast on the councillors discussing this matter and the majority of Councillors appeared very much in favour of continuing the webcasting, although there was the usual dodgy suspects opposing the continued use and extension.

We all know what an incompetent disgrace Councillor Adams is and his band of yes men. Their time is rapidly running out now as it has become more obvious that they are not acting in the best interests of the people of Pembrokeshire and I believe they stand little chance of being re-elected.

The 21 councillors who voted not to ask Bryn Parry-Jones to repay the unlawful payments made to him are by enlarge the same councillors who always vote in favour of the golden boy and all these need to go asap. I was hoping to supply a list of all their names, as many people have been requesting this, but as many of the 21 kept their microphones switched off when they cast their votes then it is very difficult to hear exactly how they voted. But hopefully soon someone will discover exactly who they were and publish a list and then we can all see for ourselves who the 21 were who let us all down so badly.

With regards to the webcasting, then I am confident that this facility will continue and eventually be extended to all meetings as the arguments in favour greatly outweigh the feeble arguments against put forward By Adams and his cronies.

It is amazing that whenever it comes to defending the indefensible, Adams and his crew have no problem in lavishing 1000's of pound on external consultants to make unpopular proposals and expensive external lawyers to fight Bryns unlawful pension payment but they won't support extending the webcasting because I believe they don't want their dodgy dealings exposed.

There are so much shady deals going on in county hall and being swept under the carpet and written off as mistakes and what we need is a proper investigation and those responsible need to be held accountable and if necessary prosecuted if found that they acted illegally. What is clear is that they are either incompetent or just plain abusing their position. The people of Pembrokeshire cannot afford to wait until the next council elections to get rid of these 21 unscrupulous councillors and a way needs to be found to remove them prior before they waste even more of our money.
Is this it?On Thursday afternoon, Pembrokeshire County Councillors voted on more than a dozen notices of motion of no confidence in the chief executive, Bryn Parry-Jones.

Mr Parry-Jones survived the motion by 30 votes to 23, with five abstentions.

Here is the full list of how your councillors voted:

Against the motion of no confidence:

Jamie Adams (Independent Plus, Camrose), John Allen-Mirehouse (Independent Plus, Angle), Daphney Bush (Independent Plus, Pembroke), Mark Edwards (Independent Plus, Prendergast-Haverfor
dwest), Wynne Evans (Independent Plus, Narberth), Lyndon Frayling (Independent Plus, Garth-Haverfordwest)
, Huw George (Independent Plus, Maenchlochog), Brian Hall (Independent Plus, Market, Pembroke Dock), Paul Harris (Independent Plus, Newport), Umelda Havard (Independent Plus, Merlins Bridge), Stan Hudson (Conservative, Milford North), Mike James (Independent Plus, St Dogmaels), Owen James (unaffiliated Scleddau,), Mike John (Independent Plus, Llangwm), Phil Kidney (unaffiliated Manorbier), Keith Lewis (Independent Plus, Crymych), Rob Lewis (Independent Plus, Martletwy), Pearl Llewellyn (Independent Plus, Monkton), Peter Morgan (Independent Plus, The Havens), Elwyn Morse (Independent Plus, Narberth Rural), David Neale (Independent Plus, Carew), Susan Perkins (Independent Plus, Llanion, Pembroke Dock), David Pugh (Independent Plus, Kilgetty), William Rees (Independent Plus, Llanrhian), Tom Richards (Independent Plus, Letterston), Ken Rowlands (Independent Plus, Johnston), David Simpson (Independent Plus, Lampeter Velfry), Rob Summons (Independent Plus, Rosemarket & Burton), Arwyn Williams (Independent Plus, Pembroke), Steve Yelland (Independent Plus Rudbaxton).
[quote][p][bold]Bilbo101[/bold] wrote: In all fairness this motion was voted down mainly because the trail period had not yet run it's course and an assessment of the costs vs benefits had not yet taken place. I watched the webcast on the councillors discussing this matter and the majority of Councillors appeared very much in favour of continuing the webcasting, although there was the usual dodgy suspects opposing the continued use and extension. We all know what an incompetent disgrace Councillor Adams is and his band of yes men. Their time is rapidly running out now as it has become more obvious that they are not acting in the best interests of the people of Pembrokeshire and I believe they stand little chance of being re-elected. The 21 councillors who voted not to ask Bryn Parry-Jones to repay the unlawful payments made to him are by enlarge the same councillors who always vote in favour of the golden boy and all these need to go asap. I was hoping to supply a list of all their names, as many people have been requesting this, but as many of the 21 kept their microphones switched off when they cast their votes then it is very difficult to hear exactly how they voted. But hopefully soon someone will discover exactly who they were and publish a list and then we can all see for ourselves who the 21 were who let us all down so badly. With regards to the webcasting, then I am confident that this facility will continue and eventually be extended to all meetings as the arguments in favour greatly outweigh the feeble arguments against put forward By Adams and his cronies. It is amazing that whenever it comes to defending the indefensible, Adams and his crew have no problem in lavishing 1000's of pound on external consultants to make unpopular proposals and expensive external lawyers to fight Bryns unlawful pension payment but they won't support extending the webcasting because I believe they don't want their dodgy dealings exposed. There are so much shady deals going on in county hall and being swept under the carpet and written off as mistakes and what we need is a proper investigation and those responsible need to be held accountable and if necessary prosecuted if found that they acted illegally. What is clear is that they are either incompetent or just plain abusing their position. The people of Pembrokeshire cannot afford to wait until the next council elections to get rid of these 21 unscrupulous councillors and a way needs to be found to remove them prior before they waste even more of our money.[/p][/quote]Is this it?On Thursday afternoon, Pembrokeshire County Councillors voted on more than a dozen notices of motion of no confidence in the chief executive, Bryn Parry-Jones. Mr Parry-Jones survived the motion by 30 votes to 23, with five abstentions. Here is the full list of how your councillors voted: Against the motion of no confidence: Jamie Adams (Independent Plus, Camrose), John Allen-Mirehouse (Independent Plus, Angle), Daphney Bush (Independent Plus, Pembroke), Mark Edwards (Independent Plus, Prendergast-Haverfor dwest), Wynne Evans (Independent Plus, Narberth), Lyndon Frayling (Independent Plus, Garth-Haverfordwest) , Huw George (Independent Plus, Maenchlochog), Brian Hall (Independent Plus, Market, Pembroke Dock), Paul Harris (Independent Plus, Newport), Umelda Havard (Independent Plus, Merlins Bridge), Stan Hudson (Conservative, Milford North), Mike James (Independent Plus, St Dogmaels), Owen James (unaffiliated Scleddau,), Mike John (Independent Plus, Llangwm), Phil Kidney (unaffiliated Manorbier), Keith Lewis (Independent Plus, Crymych), Rob Lewis (Independent Plus, Martletwy), Pearl Llewellyn (Independent Plus, Monkton), Peter Morgan (Independent Plus, The Havens), Elwyn Morse (Independent Plus, Narberth Rural), David Neale (Independent Plus, Carew), Susan Perkins (Independent Plus, Llanion, Pembroke Dock), David Pugh (Independent Plus, Kilgetty), William Rees (Independent Plus, Llanrhian), Tom Richards (Independent Plus, Letterston), Ken Rowlands (Independent Plus, Johnston), David Simpson (Independent Plus, Lampeter Velfry), Rob Summons (Independent Plus, Rosemarket & Burton), Arwyn Williams (Independent Plus, Pembroke), Steve Yelland (Independent Plus Rudbaxton). Electra1
  • Score: 2

9:51pm Wed 7 May 14

KeanJo says...

£30,000 given to Oakwood for loss of revenue when a ride was closed following the death of a young girl,£1.75 million to Bluestone in exchange for a 3% interest in the company, 100's of thousand £s on legal fees defending doubtful decisions, over £50,000 in unlawful payments to the CEx and A N Other, and they can't find £25,000 a year to webcast meetings .Who do they think they are kidding?
£30,000 given to Oakwood for loss of revenue when a ride was closed following the death of a young girl,£1.75 million to Bluestone in exchange for a 3% interest in the company, 100's of thousand £s on legal fees defending doubtful decisions, over £50,000 in unlawful payments to the CEx and A N Other, and they can't find £25,000 a year to webcast meetings .Who do they think they are kidding? KeanJo
  • Score: 4

7:02am Fri 9 May 14

Welshman23 says...

dave-javu wrote:
"Council leader Cllr Jamie Adams said: “I accept that there’s an interest as to what happens in the chamber but I’m very clear that we tread on dangerous ground where our approved budget for this year stands to be changed on this matter and will affect the services in this county.” "

Did Mr Adams also think that he was "treading on dangerous ground" when he put in his claim for 4 years worth of back dated expenses ?
As a business person you need to look at your costs but you look at the expenditure on the biggest things people salaries benefits etc . You bunch of councillors.are so far out of touch with the real world, and are there any successful business people on the council that understand business ethics. Look at what people are doing and what are the delivering verses what they are paid. Now start wielding the axe on people who deliver nothing. Let's start with you Jamie here is £45 k in the pot.
[quote][p][bold]dave-javu[/bold] wrote: "Council leader Cllr Jamie Adams said: “I accept that there’s an interest as to what happens in the chamber but I’m very clear that we tread on dangerous ground where our approved budget for this year stands to be changed on this matter and will affect the services in this county.” " Did Mr Adams also think that he was "treading on dangerous ground" when he put in his claim for 4 years worth of back dated expenses ?[/p][/quote]As a business person you need to look at your costs but you look at the expenditure on the biggest things people salaries benefits etc . You bunch of councillors.are so far out of touch with the real world, and are there any successful business people on the council that understand business ethics. Look at what people are doing and what are the delivering verses what they are paid. Now start wielding the axe on people who deliver nothing. Let's start with you Jamie here is £45 k in the pot. Welshman23
  • Score: 4

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