'People could be putting dead bodies in them' - councillors consider move to open your black bin bags at recycling centres

Western Telegraph: 'People could be putting dead bodies in them' - councillors consider move to open your black bin bags at recycling centres 'People could be putting dead bodies in them' - councillors consider move to open your black bin bags at recycling centres

PEOPLE taking their black bin bags to Pembrokeshire recycling centres could soon find them being opened and rummaged through.

The county council’s environment scrutiny committee recently had the opportunity to visit both a Pembrokeshire and a Carmarthenshire civic amenity site to compare how waste and recycling is handled.

At the Nantycaws site in Carmarthenshire a system of black bag intervention is adopted.

If a person drops a black bag off, the attendants wait until they leave, pours out the contents on a steel table and removes any items which could be recycled.

During the committee meeting on Thursday, June 5 Councillor Stephen Joseph said: “The recyclable material they take out of the black bags in Nantycaws is incredible. As a group we would like to see it tried out in Pembrokeshire."

Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know.

“If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.”

Other comparisons made between the two sites noted how much busier Winsel was then Nantycaws. Cllr Joseph said: “My initial impression was the staff at Winsel were under a lot of pressure. There were cars lining up to go in.”

He also commented that the signage was unclear compared to Nantycaws, with people unsure of where to put stuff.

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10:11am Mon 9 Jun 14

Gogledd says...

I dont know whether to laugh or cry!.
I dont know whether to laugh or cry!. Gogledd
  • Score: 11

10:31am Mon 9 Jun 14

granary57 says...

So now where do we get rid of the bodies ... flytipping? Like we always brought them to the tip in the first place!
So now where do we get rid of the bodies ... flytipping? Like we always brought them to the tip in the first place! granary57
  • Score: 12

10:40am Mon 9 Jun 14

philipw says...

Lol. Dead bodies....what next...aliens?
Sums up general standard of debate in Council.
Lol. Dead bodies....what next...aliens? Sums up general standard of debate in Council. philipw
  • Score: 9

10:50am Mon 9 Jun 14

malcolm calver says...

Maybe councillors are concerned that all the dead bodies now residing at County Hall will start to appear at the centres.

Perhaps County Councillor Joseph should have asked "how much revenue is currently raised through staff recycling?",
Maybe councillors are concerned that all the dead bodies now residing at County Hall will start to appear at the centres. Perhaps County Councillor Joseph should have asked "how much revenue is currently raised through staff recycling?", malcolm calver
  • Score: 17

10:50am Mon 9 Jun 14

Tracy Naughton says...

He obviously has not had his bags this year mine are so thin you can see through them these people need to get in the real world if they don't the headges and lay-bys will be filled with rubbish
He obviously has not had his bags this year mine are so thin you can see through them these people need to get in the real world if they don't the headges and lay-bys will be filled with rubbish Tracy Naughton
  • Score: 13

11:06am Mon 9 Jun 14

Gogledd says...

malcolm calver wrote:
Maybe councillors are concerned that all the dead bodies now residing at County Hall will start to appear at the centres.

Perhaps County Councillor Joseph should have asked "how much revenue is currently raised through staff recycling?",
Hah ha...wonderfully put...made me laugh...thank u.
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: Maybe councillors are concerned that all the dead bodies now residing at County Hall will start to appear at the centres. Perhaps County Councillor Joseph should have asked "how much revenue is currently raised through staff recycling?",[/p][/quote]Hah ha...wonderfully put...made me laugh...thank u. Gogledd
  • Score: 13

11:22am Mon 9 Jun 14

Gogledd says...

On a more serious note..I will entitle this IDENTITY THEFT> when our son was at Uni in Wrexham he shared a house with 5 others. Wrexham had introduced fortnightly bin collections. This, for a multi occupancy property university town was not a good idea. When their bins got full, a week before collection he took the black bin to the skip - lots of fly tipping in Wrexham area - because the skips were full, he left it infront of the skip. Now to the crunch. The council went through the bag because it wasnt in the bin and found his name and address in the correspondence he had not bothered to shred!!..and fined him £100. Being as it wasnt just his rubbish all the other parents contributed - very kind of them. But the moral in this story is that and he has learned this lesson...dont leave personal documentation with your name and address on it in black or any other bin bags.
On a more serious note..I will entitle this IDENTITY THEFT> when our son was at Uni in Wrexham he shared a house with 5 others. Wrexham had introduced fortnightly bin collections. This, for a multi occupancy property university town was not a good idea. When their bins got full, a week before collection he took the black bin to the skip - lots of fly tipping in Wrexham area - because the skips were full, he left it infront of the skip. Now to the crunch. The council went through the bag because it wasnt in the bin and found his name and address in the correspondence he had not bothered to shred!!..and fined him £100. Being as it wasnt just his rubbish all the other parents contributed - very kind of them. But the moral in this story is that and he has learned this lesson...dont leave personal documentation with your name and address on it in black or any other bin bags. Gogledd
  • Score: 10

11:22am Mon 9 Jun 14

williamsmum says...

I agree with all the comments above.

More ways to waste our council tax money then!!! wonder what else they will come up with.
I agree with all the comments above. More ways to waste our council tax money then!!! wonder what else they will come up with. williamsmum
  • Score: 3

11:54am Mon 9 Jun 14

Qwerty123abc says...

Doing such a thing would be a waste of money. How much extra revenue will they get from this extra recyclable material? I'm giessing it will be considerabley less than the about it will cost to sort or send to landfill. Half the time I go to the tip I am never sure where to put stuff and they always tell me to put it in the crusher.
Doing such a thing would be a waste of money. How much extra revenue will they get from this extra recyclable material? I'm giessing it will be considerabley less than the about it will cost to sort or send to landfill. Half the time I go to the tip I am never sure where to put stuff and they always tell me to put it in the crusher. Qwerty123abc
  • Score: 3

12:15pm Mon 9 Jun 14

teifion says...

malcolm calver wrote:
Maybe councillors are concerned that all the dead bodies now residing at County Hall will start to appear at the centres.

Perhaps County Councillor Joseph should have asked "how much revenue is currently raised through staff recycling?",
We certainly know that PCC have a load of skeletons hidden somewhere - keep digging ;-)
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: Maybe councillors are concerned that all the dead bodies now residing at County Hall will start to appear at the centres. Perhaps County Councillor Joseph should have asked "how much revenue is currently raised through staff recycling?",[/p][/quote]We certainly know that PCC have a load of skeletons hidden somewhere - keep digging ;-) teifion
  • Score: 11

12:18pm Mon 9 Jun 14

teifion says...

Qwerty123abc wrote:
Doing such a thing would be a waste of money. How much extra revenue will they get from this extra recyclable material? I'm giessing it will be considerabley less than the about it will cost to sort or send to landfill. Half the time I go to the tip I am never sure where to put stuff and they always tell me to put it in the crusher.
pembroke dock recycling centre is really good, helpful staff and loads of signs
[quote][p][bold]Qwerty123abc[/bold] wrote: Doing such a thing would be a waste of money. How much extra revenue will they get from this extra recyclable material? I'm giessing it will be considerabley less than the about it will cost to sort or send to landfill. Half the time I go to the tip I am never sure where to put stuff and they always tell me to put it in the crusher.[/p][/quote]pembroke dock recycling centre is really good, helpful staff and loads of signs teifion
  • Score: 13

12:45pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Gwallgof says...

They could simple accept orange bags! Seems only council vehicles are allowed to deposit recyclable waste in orange bags at these facilities.
They could simple accept orange bags! Seems only council vehicles are allowed to deposit recyclable waste in orange bags at these facilities. Gwallgof
  • Score: 5

1:05pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Electra1 says...

"Dead bodies" Well the would have to be dead as the bags are so thin that a living one could tear the bag just breathing.
"Dead bodies" Well the would have to be dead as the bags are so thin that a living one could tear the bag just breathing. Electra1
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Gogledd says...

There has been some press and tv coverage recently about recycling and how a lot of it cannot be done. A friends wife who used to deal with recycling told me that a lot of the cans and tins cannot be recycled because they are contaminated - ie, they havent been washed out. Only those who are spotlessly clean can be recycled. Dont know how true it is these days as this was about 13 years ago..but it would be interesting to find out, just how much is recycled and the rest into land fill. Along with the skelletons in PCC
There has been some press and tv coverage recently about recycling and how a lot of it cannot be done. A friends wife who used to deal with recycling told me that a lot of the cans and tins cannot be recycled because they are contaminated - ie, they havent been washed out. Only those who are spotlessly clean can be recycled. Dont know how true it is these days as this was about 13 years ago..but it would be interesting to find out, just how much is recycled and the rest into land fill. Along with the skelletons in PCC Gogledd
  • Score: 2

2:09pm Mon 9 Jun 14

GrumpyMiddleagedWoman says...

Hilarious. I mean obviously when disposing of dead bodies, the first place everyone thinks to take them is the local tip!

Still don't understand why on earth PCC don't look at extending the list of recyclables; surely being able to put more plastics in the recycling bags would help reduce black sack rubbish?
Hilarious. I mean obviously when disposing of dead bodies, the first place everyone thinks to take them is the local tip! Still don't understand why on earth PCC don't look at extending the list of recyclables; surely being able to put more plastics in the recycling bags would help reduce black sack rubbish? GrumpyMiddleagedWoman
  • Score: 10

3:00pm Mon 9 Jun 14

SM1968 says...

Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know.
“If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.”

So only put the dead bodies out on your two weekly collection date folks. I can see the sign at the tiop now, underneath where it says no asbestos, "bodies only collected on fortnightly kerbside collections", please, I would expect a councillor to be able to construct a better argument
Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know. “If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.” So only put the dead bodies out on your two weekly collection date folks. I can see the sign at the tiop now, underneath where it says no asbestos, "bodies only collected on fortnightly kerbside collections", please, I would expect a councillor to be able to construct a better argument SM1968
  • Score: 9

3:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Welshman23 says...

Does this mean our bin men will have to do the same, the lunatics have now taken over. Can I suggest you introduce pay and display machines at the recycle centre and possible a zebra crossing and traffic lights.
The chairman of the meeting should refuse to discuss stupid ideas. I think this idea was hatched at Weatherspoon's on a rainy day.
Does this mean our bin men will have to do the same, the lunatics have now taken over. Can I suggest you introduce pay and display machines at the recycle centre and possible a zebra crossing and traffic lights. The chairman of the meeting should refuse to discuss stupid ideas. I think this idea was hatched at Weatherspoon's on a rainy day. Welshman23
  • Score: 6

3:49pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Welshman23 says...

Another jolly for our councillors mileage allowance lunch allowance. What a waste of money.
Another jolly for our councillors mileage allowance lunch allowance. What a waste of money. Welshman23
  • Score: 5

6:38pm Mon 9 Jun 14

teifion says...

I thought Jacob was supposed to be one of the more intelligent free thinking councillors


God Help us :(
I thought Jacob was supposed to be one of the more intelligent free thinking councillors God Help us :( teifion
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Welshman23 says...

Pembrokeshire is a safe county how many people have been murdered in the least 25 years.
This is a stupid suggestion concentrate on the things that matter, the vast waste of money being spent on Bridge Street, Bulford Road, roadworks in Prendergast.
Pembrokeshire is a safe county how many people have been murdered in the least 25 years. This is a stupid suggestion concentrate on the things that matter, the vast waste of money being spent on Bridge Street, Bulford Road, roadworks in Prendergast. Welshman23
  • Score: -5

9:01pm Mon 9 Jun 14

teifion says...

teifion wrote:
I thought Jacob was supposed to be one of the more intelligent free thinking councillors


God Help us :(
I could suggest he had his tongue in his cheek when he said this, on the otherhand as he;s not an IPG member is he? Bryns SpAd aka PCC press officer might think it's a chance to stick the knife in?

Too cynical?
[quote][p][bold]teifion[/bold] wrote: I thought Jacob was supposed to be one of the more intelligent free thinking councillors God Help us :([/p][/quote]I could suggest he had his tongue in his cheek when he said this, on the otherhand as he;s not an IPG member is he? Bryns SpAd aka PCC press officer might think it's a chance to stick the knife in? Too cynical? teifion
  • Score: 9

10:12pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Gogledd says...

Well, I think Jacob is having a dig too...but whatever, its got us laughing and sometimes we need to do that. There is little else to be cheerful about regarding PCC and the WG and the on going antics so..Thanks Jacob for a good start to the week.
Well, I think Jacob is having a dig too...but whatever, its got us laughing and sometimes we need to do that. There is little else to be cheerful about regarding PCC and the WG and the on going antics so..Thanks Jacob for a good start to the week. Gogledd
  • Score: 14

11:55pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Lludw Coed says...

GrumpyMiddleagedWoma
n
wrote:
Hilarious. I mean obviously when disposing of dead bodies, the first place everyone thinks to take them is the local tip!

Still don't understand why on earth PCC don't look at extending the list of recyclables; surely being able to put more plastics in the recycling bags would help reduce black sack rubbish?
Take a look at what can be recycled across the borders in Ceredigion and Carmarthenshire. A lot more plastics for a start. What can be put into PCC's orange bags is a joke.
[quote][p][bold]GrumpyMiddleagedWoma n[/bold] wrote: Hilarious. I mean obviously when disposing of dead bodies, the first place everyone thinks to take them is the local tip! Still don't understand why on earth PCC don't look at extending the list of recyclables; surely being able to put more plastics in the recycling bags would help reduce black sack rubbish?[/p][/quote]Take a look at what can be recycled across the borders in Ceredigion and Carmarthenshire. A lot more plastics for a start. What can be put into PCC's orange bags is a joke. Lludw Coed
  • Score: 12

11:27am Tue 10 Jun 14

Andrew Lye says...

Jacob Williams black sacks are obviously a lot stronger than the ones PCC left me. It doesnt take long for animals and birds to get into them.
Maybe the Council should designate a section at the various tips to include one for "dead bodies" so they can be recycled.
Jacob Williams black sacks are obviously a lot stronger than the ones PCC left me. It doesnt take long for animals and birds to get into them. Maybe the Council should designate a section at the various tips to include one for "dead bodies" so they can be recycled. Andrew Lye
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Tue 10 Jun 14

aprilmay says...

Living in close proximity to a holiday let I know that no recycling goes on. Everything put in black bags and on changeover day the owners simply take all the rubbish in the black bags to the tip. This way they avoid paying business rates for disposing of the rubbish. Massive income from this let maybe a little more scrutiny of bags is no bad thing in a case like this.
Living in close proximity to a holiday let I know that no recycling goes on. Everything put in black bags and on changeover day the owners simply take all the rubbish in the black bags to the tip. This way they avoid paying business rates for disposing of the rubbish. Massive income from this let maybe a little more scrutiny of bags is no bad thing in a case like this. aprilmay
  • Score: 4

3:54pm Tue 10 Jun 14

hardcheese says...

"People could be putting dead bodies in black bags"
Pembrokeshire C C councillors are nuts, proves they have no brains...
"People could be putting dead bodies in black bags" Pembrokeshire C C councillors are nuts, proves they have no brains... hardcheese
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Cymru bach says...

SM1968 wrote:
Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know.
“If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.”

So only put the dead bodies out on your two weekly collection date folks. I can see the sign at the tiop now, underneath where it says no asbestos, "bodies only collected on fortnightly kerbside collections", please, I would expect a councillor to be able to construct a better argument
Great idea SM , body disposals in black bin bags will certainly cut out on the large crematorium and funeral costs :-)
[quote][p][bold]SM1968[/bold] wrote: Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know. “If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.” So only put the dead bodies out on your two weekly collection date folks. I can see the sign at the tiop now, underneath where it says no asbestos, "bodies only collected on fortnightly kerbside collections", please, I would expect a councillor to be able to construct a better argument[/p][/quote]Great idea SM , body disposals in black bin bags will certainly cut out on the large crematorium and funeral costs :-) Cymru bach
  • Score: 4

9:52pm Tue 10 Jun 14

teifion says...

Cymru bach wrote:
SM1968 wrote:
Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know.
“If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.”

So only put the dead bodies out on your two weekly collection date folks. I can see the sign at the tiop now, underneath where it says no asbestos, "bodies only collected on fortnightly kerbside collections", please, I would expect a councillor to be able to construct a better argument
Great idea SM , body disposals in black bin bags will certainly cut out on the large crematorium and funeral costs :-)
You mAke a good point, one of the justifications for Bryns' obscene salary (the highest paid chief exec in wales despite being one of the smallest and poorest) is that our "rates" are the lowest - forgeting that we pay for services that others don't and that we pay more for services that other counties charge a LOT less for and our county is dying, our town centres are empty or full of charity shops - lets not forget some complete plank of a councillor claiming that the shop owners WANT higher parking charges - thetruth is at the end of the day we ALL pay much more for a lot less in Pembrokeshire just so the greedy and selfish can get a bigger plot in the grave yard whilst their fellows suffer - how do they sleep at night?
[quote][p][bold]Cymru bach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SM1968[/bold] wrote: Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know. “If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.” So only put the dead bodies out on your two weekly collection date folks. I can see the sign at the tiop now, underneath where it says no asbestos, "bodies only collected on fortnightly kerbside collections", please, I would expect a councillor to be able to construct a better argument[/p][/quote]Great idea SM , body disposals in black bin bags will certainly cut out on the large crematorium and funeral costs :-)[/p][/quote]You mAke a good point, one of the justifications for Bryns' obscene salary (the highest paid chief exec in wales despite being one of the smallest and poorest) is that our "rates" are the lowest - forgeting that we pay for services that others don't and that we pay more for services that other counties charge a LOT less for and our county is dying, our town centres are empty or full of charity shops - lets not forget some complete plank of a councillor claiming that the shop owners WANT higher parking charges - thetruth is at the end of the day we ALL pay much more for a lot less in Pembrokeshire just so the greedy and selfish can get a bigger plot in the grave yard whilst their fellows suffer - how do they sleep at night? teifion
  • Score: 3

2:28pm Wed 11 Jun 14

seaveiw says...

teifion wrote:
Cymru bach wrote:
SM1968 wrote:
Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know.
“If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.”

So only put the dead bodies out on your two weekly collection date folks. I can see the sign at the tiop now, underneath where it says no asbestos, "bodies only collected on fortnightly kerbside collections", please, I would expect a councillor to be able to construct a better argument
Great idea SM , body disposals in black bin bags will certainly cut out on the large crematorium and funeral costs :-)
You mAke a good point, one of the justifications for Bryns' obscene salary (the highest paid chief exec in wales despite being one of the smallest and poorest) is that our "rates" are the lowest - forgeting that we pay for services that others don't and that we pay more for services that other counties charge a LOT less for and our county is dying, our town centres are empty or full of charity shops - lets not forget some complete plank of a councillor claiming that the shop owners WANT higher parking charges - thetruth is at the end of the day we ALL pay much more for a lot less in Pembrokeshire just so the greedy and selfish can get a bigger plot in the grave yard whilst their fellows suffer - how do they sleep at night?
I agree entirely with your well put, by the way where is the rate rebate money given to each council, Carmarthen have reduced rates of small businesss by £1,000 and given pensioners £100 rebate come on one of you councillors answer me where has it gone
[quote][p][bold]teifion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru bach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SM1968[/bold] wrote: Cllr Jacob Williams said: “I think checking black bags is a good idea. People could be putting Japanese knotweed, asbestos and dead bodies in them for all we know. “If people don’t want their personal items gone through, they should just put their black bag out for kerbside collection.” So only put the dead bodies out on your two weekly collection date folks. I can see the sign at the tiop now, underneath where it says no asbestos, "bodies only collected on fortnightly kerbside collections", please, I would expect a councillor to be able to construct a better argument[/p][/quote]Great idea SM , body disposals in black bin bags will certainly cut out on the large crematorium and funeral costs :-)[/p][/quote]You mAke a good point, one of the justifications for Bryns' obscene salary (the highest paid chief exec in wales despite being one of the smallest and poorest) is that our "rates" are the lowest - forgeting that we pay for services that others don't and that we pay more for services that other counties charge a LOT less for and our county is dying, our town centres are empty or full of charity shops - lets not forget some complete plank of a councillor claiming that the shop owners WANT higher parking charges - thetruth is at the end of the day we ALL pay much more for a lot less in Pembrokeshire just so the greedy and selfish can get a bigger plot in the grave yard whilst their fellows suffer - how do they sleep at night?[/p][/quote]I agree entirely with your well put, by the way where is the rate rebate money given to each council, Carmarthen have reduced rates of small businesss by £1,000 and given pensioners £100 rebate come on one of you councillors answer me where has it gone seaveiw
  • Score: 3

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