UPDATED: County Hall protest over chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones

County Hall protest over chief executive Bryn Parry-Jones begins

PICTURE: Lisa Soar (www.lisasoar.com)

PICTURE: Lisa Soar (www.lisasoar.com)

PICTURE: Lisa Soar (www.lisasoar.com)

PICTURE: Lisa Soar (www.lisasoar.com)

PICTURE: Lisa Soar (www.lisasoar.com)

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Around 150 people gathered outside Pembrokeshire County Hall this lunchtime to protest about the council's 'catalogue of failiures' under the leadership of chief executive, Bryn Parry Jones.

County councillors, members of the public and council employees, many of them members of the GMB, Unite and UNISON trade unions, made their feelings known about the continuing employment of the chief executive at a time when a second police investigation into “unlawful” pension payments to himself and another senior council officer was taking place.

UNISON branch secretary Vic Dennis said that he was pleased with the turnout despite the “culture of fear”.

“Despite this we had a response rate of 98% on our ballot of no confidence,” he said. “There are people inside who are too scared to come out. They simply won’t come out, they are afraid those eyes from the second floor.”

“This isn’t a witch hunt we just want things to be done fairly. There is definitely one rule for one person and one rule for everybody else.”

Althea Phillips GMB regional officer added: “I represent members who earn not much more than minimum wage, and not the living wage. Why should they be treated differently from the chief executive?”

Alan Card from Unite congratulated the demonstrators: “It takes a lot of courage to demonstrate outside of the council and in front of councillors. We have hundreds of people who stated clearly they have no confidence in the chief executive. He should be suspended until the police investigation is concluded."

Union reps also questioned how the chief executive could take a £45,000 pension payment as many front line council workers took a substantial pay cut as part of last year’s pay review.

William Rees an ex-head teacher also addressed the crowd. He said he had been a founder member of the council’s independent group 25 years ago.

“I’m now disgusted by it,” he said. This county was known as a premier county right across Wales. How many people would call it a premier county now? There are good good people I worked with in the past. Today they are turning in their graves.”

Trade union representatives promised that today’s event was just the beginning and there would be more protests in the near future.

Speaking after the demonstration county councillor Paul Miller said: “I was here to support the council staff and show people there are councillors who will do what’s right for them. I’m convinced that the money should be paid back. It is public money that has been paid out unlawfully.”

Cllr Miller is organising a public meeting in the Picton Centre on August 19th to discuss the next steps in the campaign to get the money repaid.

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1:32pm Fri 8 Aug 14

hardcheese says...

Bryn Parry-Jones should take note:

"The finances of Shropshire Council are in good health, Keith Barrow, Leader of Shropshire Council, has said. A little over 12 months ago, Shropshire Council began in earnest the second phase of the restructuring of the way the entire authority worked in the wake of huge saving targets needing to be met.

Taking stock, Cllr Barrow reviewed how Shropshire Council had restructured the senior management in the authority over previous years, saying:

“We had a Chief Executive on £186,000 per annum. Our current Chief Executive, Clive , is actually on £99,000 per annum and he’s the lowest paid Chief Executive at our level in the country. Of course he’s the highest paid in our organisation but everyone else earns less.”
Cllr Barrow added:

“I’ve seen today some pretty strange figures relating to senior management pay at Shropshire Council from the Taxpayer’s Alliance, which I must say I’m surprised they have gone ahead with. These are old figures and no longer applicable to the council because we have completely restructured our management team over the past two years, which has been well documented by the local media. As a result of that restructure, we no longer have anyone on the council payroll with a salary over £100,000 but the quality of staff we have at the council is high and Clive has done and continues to do an excellent job in taking the organisation through this period of change.”.”
Watch Keith Barrow talk about Shropshire Council’s finances here:

The reduction of senior pay saved the authority £5 million per annum, with Cllr Barrow confirming that further restructuring was not the main method for meeting the £80 million savings target with an emphasis on service redesign instead, saying:

“In first 12 months we’re going to save £40 million. That sounds quite a challenge, and it is. We’re going to do it largely by looking at how we do things and asking ‘is that the best way of doing it?’, ‘is that the most efficient way of doing it?’ and ‘can we do it better?’ In every instance where we’ve asked that we’ve found the answer to be ‘yes’ and we can get better outcomes for the customer.”
Bryn Parry-Jones should take note: "The finances of Shropshire Council are in good health, Keith Barrow, Leader of Shropshire Council, has said. A little over 12 months ago, Shropshire Council began in earnest the second phase of the restructuring of the way the entire authority worked in the wake of huge saving targets needing to be met. Taking stock, Cllr Barrow reviewed how Shropshire Council had restructured the senior management in the authority over previous years, saying: “We had a Chief Executive on £186,000 per annum. Our current Chief Executive, Clive [Wright], is actually on £99,000 per annum and he’s the lowest paid Chief Executive at our level in the country. Of course he’s the highest paid in our organisation but everyone else earns less.” Cllr Barrow added: “I’ve seen today some pretty strange figures relating to senior management pay at Shropshire Council from the Taxpayer’s Alliance, which I must say I’m surprised they have gone ahead with. These are old figures and no longer applicable to the council because we have completely restructured our management team over the past two years, which has been well documented by the local media. As a result of that restructure, we no longer have anyone on the council payroll with a salary over £100,000 but the quality of staff we have at the council is high and Clive has done and continues to do an excellent job in taking the organisation through this period of change.”.” Watch Keith Barrow talk about Shropshire Council’s finances here: The reduction of senior pay saved the authority £5 million per annum, with Cllr Barrow confirming that further restructuring was not the main method for meeting the £80 million savings target with an emphasis on service redesign instead, saying: “In first 12 months we’re going to save £40 million. That sounds quite a challenge, and it is. We’re going to do it largely by looking at how we do things and asking ‘is that the best way of doing it?’, ‘is that the most efficient way of doing it?’ and ‘can we do it better?’ In every instance where we’ve asked that we’ve found the answer to be ‘yes’ and we can get better outcomes for the customer.” hardcheese
  • Score: 29

3:00pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Having attended todays demonstration today I saw Councillor Joseph I think that he missed a trick by not speaking with the audience. Apart from Paul Miller what other councillors were in attendance.
Having attended todays demonstration today I saw Councillor Joseph I think that he missed a trick by not speaking with the audience. Apart from Paul Miller what other councillors were in attendance. Welshman23
  • Score: 11

3:42pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Jonathan Nutting says...

There were about ten. I will not name any as it is a personal decision whether to stand up and be counted.

I went to show solidarity with the PCC work force who I think have justifiable reasons to feel rules are not being applied equitably.
There were about ten. I will not name any as it is a personal decision whether to stand up and be counted. I went to show solidarity with the PCC work force who I think have justifiable reasons to feel rules are not being applied equitably. Jonathan Nutting
  • Score: 15

6:16pm Fri 8 Aug 14

TIDLEBAY says...

Must be lovely to have a job where you can protest about your boss outside of your place of work, many in Pembrokeshire do not have that luxury, or at least would not have a job to return too,
Must be lovely to have a job where you can protest about your boss outside of your place of work, many in Pembrokeshire do not have that luxury, or at least would not have a job to return too, TIDLEBAY
  • Score: -27

6:24pm Fri 8 Aug 14

DockBoy53 says...

Think you missed the point Tidlebay. As it is apparent from the vote that a lot of people felt they couldn't protest about their boss and keep a job, hence many didn't stand outside. Being worried about the consequences of actions should not be an excuse for bosses to behave however they wish with no one bringing them to account.
Think you missed the point Tidlebay. As it is apparent from the vote that a lot of people felt they couldn't protest about their boss and keep a job, hence many didn't stand outside. Being worried about the consequences of actions should not be an excuse for bosses to behave however they wish with no one bringing them to account. DockBoy53
  • Score: 24

6:37pm Fri 8 Aug 14

TIDLEBAY says...

Missed the point? In what way, employees of PCC were out protesting today, didn't say all of them and certainly did not say I disagreed with it, I'm making the point that a lot of workers in Pembrokeshire wish they could go out and demonstrate against their employer at lunch time.
Missed the point? In what way, employees of PCC were out protesting today, didn't say all of them and certainly did not say I disagreed with it, I'm making the point that a lot of workers in Pembrokeshire wish they could go out and demonstrate against their employer at lunch time. TIDLEBAY
  • Score: -12

6:53pm Fri 8 Aug 14

DockBoy53 says...

TIDLEBAY wrote:
Missed the point? In what way, employees of PCC were out protesting today, didn't say all of them and certainly did not say I disagreed with it, I'm making the point that a lot of workers in Pembrokeshire wish they could go out and demonstrate against their employer at lunch time.
But as you say, some of those that voted were there but not all felt it a risk worth taking. Everyone can go out and demonstrate against their employer if they wish. Being a PCC employee doesn't give them any more immunity than anyone else from employer backlash. I am sure certain heads of service were told to report back on who was out. Fear for your job isn't just a concern for the private sector.
[quote][p][bold]TIDLEBAY[/bold] wrote: Missed the point? In what way, employees of PCC were out protesting today, didn't say all of them and certainly did not say I disagreed with it, I'm making the point that a lot of workers in Pembrokeshire wish they could go out and demonstrate against their employer at lunch time.[/p][/quote]But as you say, some of those that voted were there but not all felt it a risk worth taking. Everyone can go out and demonstrate against their employer if they wish. Being a PCC employee doesn't give them any more immunity than anyone else from employer backlash. I am sure certain heads of service were told to report back on who was out. Fear for your job isn't just a concern for the private sector. DockBoy53
  • Score: 5

6:59pm Fri 8 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Having attended todays demonstration today I saw Councillor Joseph I think that he missed a trick by not speaking with the audience. Apart from Paul Miller what other councillors were in attendance.
some town councillors were present, other councillors peeping out the second floor windows. the thing that worries me is the emphasis on the pension payments made not the other areas of administrative errors which add up to total failure of most of the council to act in a democratic way.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: Having attended todays demonstration today I saw Councillor Joseph I think that he missed a trick by not speaking with the audience. Apart from Paul Miller what other councillors were in attendance.[/p][/quote]some town councillors were present, other councillors peeping out the second floor windows. the thing that worries me is the emphasis on the pension payments made not the other areas of administrative errors which add up to total failure of most of the council to act in a democratic way. seaveiw
  • Score: 7

7:22pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

TIDLEBAY wrote:
Must be lovely to have a job where you can protest about your boss outside of your place of work, many in Pembrokeshire do not have that luxury, or at least would not have a job to return too,
err, he is supposed to be a public SERVANT not a dictator
[quote][p][bold]TIDLEBAY[/bold] wrote: Must be lovely to have a job where you can protest about your boss outside of your place of work, many in Pembrokeshire do not have that luxury, or at least would not have a job to return too,[/p][/quote]err, he is supposed to be a public SERVANT not a dictator Tttoommy
  • Score: -3

7:26pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Let's not forget Mr McC - ooops , it's a secret isn't it that he was the 2nd man who benefited ?
Can someone PLEASE tell me why it's a secret?
Let's not forget Mr McC - ooops , it's a secret isn't it that he was the 2nd man who benefited ? Can someone PLEASE tell me why it's a secret? Tttoommy
  • Score: -9

7:28pm Fri 8 Aug 14

malcolm calver says...

Surely we had rule by the unions in the sixties and seventies which destroyed many industries. Whilst I accept it is the right of any employee to protest and even go on strike, surely the employees at county hall must have realised that not only can the nation cannot ill afford either chief officers on such high salaries but also the amount of people employed in local government..
I would suggest anyone not satisfied with the salary offered look for alternative employment and then they will soon realise how lucky they were.
I note the comment by Cllr Nutting that he was unwilling to name those attending and this was from a member of a party on the council advocating more openness and transparency.

I am afraid we live in a democracy and therefore elected county councillors have it on their shoulders to sort out the present debacle.
Surely we had rule by the unions in the sixties and seventies which destroyed many industries. Whilst I accept it is the right of any employee to protest and even go on strike, surely the employees at county hall must have realised that not only can the nation cannot ill afford either chief officers on such high salaries but also the amount of people employed in local government.. I would suggest anyone not satisfied with the salary offered look for alternative employment and then they will soon realise how lucky they were. I note the comment by Cllr Nutting that he was unwilling to name those attending and this was from a member of a party on the council advocating more openness and transparency. I am afraid we live in a democracy and therefore elected county councillors have it on their shoulders to sort out the present debacle. malcolm calver
  • Score: -27

9:24pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Jonathan Nutting says...

Mr. Calver as usual you wish to cause intreague and descent. Most other councillors present talked to the press and made their presence felt. If you had bothered to scan all the press feeds you would realise that. They were all proud to stand side by side with the PCC staff who wanted to express their democratic right to protest.

I believe in personnel freedom and the right to privacy. I also believe in working for the best of my community. Please state your principles as they appear blurred by bitterness.

You are right we do live in a democracy. A democracy is only as strong as those who work to maintain it. At this present time we are all questioning the democratic process in PCC and it's ability to serve the people of Pembrokeshire. Many Councillors are trying their best to rebalance what is happening.

You may not agree and have a go at twisting what I and others say. It would be far better to offer positive, workable advice. Attacking genuine people only deflates and deflects. It gives succour to those who really should be ashamed of their actions.
Mr. Calver as usual you wish to cause intreague and descent. Most other councillors present talked to the press and made their presence felt. If you had bothered to scan all the press feeds you would realise that. They were all proud to stand side by side with the PCC staff who wanted to express their democratic right to protest. I believe in personnel freedom and the right to privacy. I also believe in working for the best of my community. Please state your principles as they appear blurred by bitterness. You are right we do live in a democracy. A democracy is only as strong as those who work to maintain it. At this present time we are all questioning the democratic process in PCC and it's ability to serve the people of Pembrokeshire. Many Councillors are trying their best to rebalance what is happening. You may not agree and have a go at twisting what I and others say. It would be far better to offer positive, workable advice. Attacking genuine people only deflates and deflects. It gives succour to those who really should be ashamed of their actions. Jonathan Nutting
  • Score: 17

9:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Good to see ppl have been voting (by voting down)for corruption, fear and bullying - must mean "they" are reading what we think about the pigs ;-)
Good to see ppl have been voting (by voting down)for corruption, fear and bullying - must mean "they" are reading what we think about the pigs ;-) Tttoommy
  • Score: -16

11:51pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Jonathan Nutting wrote:
There were about ten. I will not name any as it is a personal decision whether to stand up and be counted.

I went to show solidarity with the PCC work force who I think have justifiable reasons to feel rules are not being applied equitably.
I will start the list ofCouncillors
Stephen Joseph
Paul Miller
John please fill in the gaps.
Was there a photographer working on behalf of the council I was going to get snapped I refused.
Hope the unions are strong enough to resist any recriminations that may be dished out by the council.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Nutting[/bold] wrote: There were about ten. I will not name any as it is a personal decision whether to stand up and be counted. I went to show solidarity with the PCC work force who I think have justifiable reasons to feel rules are not being applied equitably.[/p][/quote]I will start the list ofCouncillors Stephen Joseph Paul Miller John please fill in the gaps. Was there a photographer working on behalf of the council I was going to get snapped I refused. Hope the unions are strong enough to resist any recriminations that may be dished out by the council. Welshman23
  • Score: -7

6:29am Sat 9 Aug 14

South of the Landsker says...

It is sad that the members of staff have to protest, this should have been the work of the Councillors. But with so many IPPG keeping silent and block voting it is no wonder that nothing changes. I'm sure there are many decent Councillors in the IPPG, Cllr Joseph must have seen them, at least he has had the courage to leave the Group , what holds the others?
With regard to only 10 Cllrs being at the protest, I'm sure everybody remembers the St Valentine Days massacre at County Hall when 'Mr Kerr pronounced Car' QC used the predetermination argument. Lets hope that those not present are keeping their powder dry for the next opportunity to start the long road to change.
It is sad that the members of staff have to protest, this should have been the work of the Councillors. But with so many IPPG keeping silent and block voting it is no wonder that nothing changes. I'm sure there are many decent Councillors in the IPPG, Cllr Joseph must have seen them, at least he has had the courage to leave the Group , what holds the others? With regard to only 10 Cllrs being at the protest, I'm sure everybody remembers the St Valentine Days massacre at County Hall when 'Mr Kerr pronounced Car' QC used the predetermination argument. Lets hope that those not present are keeping their powder dry for the next opportunity to start the long road to change. South of the Landsker
  • Score: 12

9:26am Sat 9 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Let's not forget Mr McC - ooops , it's a secret isn't it that he was the 2nd man who benefited ?
Can someone PLEASE tell me why it's a secret?
why are so many minus votes on all the comments that are critical of the council must be their friends and also some of the merry band of councillers who are being brainwashed.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Let's not forget Mr McC - ooops , it's a secret isn't it that he was the 2nd man who benefited ? Can someone PLEASE tell me why it's a secret?[/p][/quote]why are so many minus votes on all the comments that are critical of the council must be their friends and also some of the merry band of councillers who are being brainwashed. seaveiw
  • Score: 1

9:32am Sat 9 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

malcolm calver wrote:
Surely we had rule by the unions in the sixties and seventies which destroyed many industries. Whilst I accept it is the right of any employee to protest and even go on strike, surely the employees at county hall must have realised that not only can the nation cannot ill afford either chief officers on such high salaries but also the amount of people employed in local government..
I would suggest anyone not satisfied with the salary offered look for alternative employment and then they will soon realise how lucky they were.
I note the comment by Cllr Nutting that he was unwilling to name those attending and this was from a member of a party on the council advocating more openness and transparency.

I am afraid we live in a democracy and therefore elected county councillors have it on their shoulders to sort out the present debacle.
well let them sort it out in a democratic way, by speaking to members of the public give us a voice, have an open discussion with the leader of the council present to answer questions openly, and most importantly not make decisions behind closed doors. WE NEED TRANSPARANCY
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: Surely we had rule by the unions in the sixties and seventies which destroyed many industries. Whilst I accept it is the right of any employee to protest and even go on strike, surely the employees at county hall must have realised that not only can the nation cannot ill afford either chief officers on such high salaries but also the amount of people employed in local government.. I would suggest anyone not satisfied with the salary offered look for alternative employment and then they will soon realise how lucky they were. I note the comment by Cllr Nutting that he was unwilling to name those attending and this was from a member of a party on the council advocating more openness and transparency. I am afraid we live in a democracy and therefore elected county councillors have it on their shoulders to sort out the present debacle.[/p][/quote]well let them sort it out in a democratic way, by speaking to members of the public give us a voice, have an open discussion with the leader of the council present to answer questions openly, and most importantly not make decisions behind closed doors. WE NEED TRANSPARANCY seaveiw
  • Score: 7

10:40am Sat 9 Aug 14

Kiwitaff says...

Twenty five years ago Pembrokeshire had an excellent Education service and some exceptional public servants who were determined to provide value for money.

Since 1996 Pembrokeshire has gone from one crisis to another yet BPJ has seen his salary escalate to nearly a quarter of a million pounds a year. He is being investigated by the police for possible tax evasion and yet he remains in post. Surely he must be held accountable for this sooner rather than later.
Twenty five years ago Pembrokeshire had an excellent Education service and some exceptional public servants who were determined to provide value for money. Since 1996 Pembrokeshire has gone from one crisis to another yet BPJ has seen his salary escalate to nearly a quarter of a million pounds a year. He is being investigated by the police for possible tax evasion and yet he remains in post. Surely he must be held accountable for this sooner rather than later. Kiwitaff
  • Score: 17

1:14pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Good to see ppl have been voting (by voting down)for corruption, fear and bullying - must mean "they" are reading what we think about the pigs ;-)
The morons that have voted this down are as bad as the shower in PCC. You are a mindless bunch at least have the backbone to share your your views, if not just shut up.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Good to see ppl have been voting (by voting down)for corruption, fear and bullying - must mean "they" are reading what we think about the pigs ;-)[/p][/quote]The morons that have voted this down are as bad as the shower in PCC. You are a mindless bunch at least have the backbone to share your your views, if not just shut up. Welshman23
  • Score: -5

1:18pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

malcolm calver wrote:
Surely we had rule by the unions in the sixties and seventies which destroyed many industries. Whilst I accept it is the right of any employee to protest and even go on strike, surely the employees at county hall must have realised that not only can the nation cannot ill afford either chief officers on such high salaries but also the amount of people employed in local government..
I would suggest anyone not satisfied with the salary offered look for alternative employment and then they will soon realise how lucky they were.
I note the comment by Cllr Nutting that he was unwilling to name those attending and this was from a member of a party on the council advocating more openness and transparency.

I am afraid we live in a democracy and therefore elected county councillors have it on their shoulders to sort out the present debacle.
Mr Calvert I think you are out of touch with the real world, understand what you say, but our councillors will not do anything.
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: Surely we had rule by the unions in the sixties and seventies which destroyed many industries. Whilst I accept it is the right of any employee to protest and even go on strike, surely the employees at county hall must have realised that not only can the nation cannot ill afford either chief officers on such high salaries but also the amount of people employed in local government.. I would suggest anyone not satisfied with the salary offered look for alternative employment and then they will soon realise how lucky they were. I note the comment by Cllr Nutting that he was unwilling to name those attending and this was from a member of a party on the council advocating more openness and transparency. I am afraid we live in a democracy and therefore elected county councillors have it on their shoulders to sort out the present debacle.[/p][/quote]Mr Calvert I think you are out of touch with the real world, understand what you say, but our councillors will not do anything. Welshman23
  • Score: 4

1:49pm Sat 9 Aug 14

malcolm calver says...

Surely Cllr Nutting If councillors as you say were "all proud to stand side by side with the PCC staff" surely they would not mind if they were named., I believe that is being open and transparent.
Like it or not 60 councillors now represent us at County Hall and they cannot please everybody all the time. We may disagree with their actions or decisions but the time to change it is at the next county council elections.
Your final statement that by attacking genuine people only gives succour to those who really should be ashamed of their actions" I am sorry but many of those that voted for you and the other two members of your party voted for something different.so perhaps you feel a little guilty.
Surely Cllr Nutting If councillors as you say were "all proud to stand side by side with the PCC staff" surely they would not mind if they were named., I believe that is being open and transparent. Like it or not 60 councillors now represent us at County Hall and they cannot please everybody all the time. We may disagree with their actions or decisions but the time to change it is at the next county council elections. Your final statement that by attacking genuine people only gives succour to those who really should be ashamed of their actions" I am sorry but many of those that voted for you and the other two members of your party voted for something different.so perhaps you feel a little guilty. malcolm calver
  • Score: -1

4:24pm Sat 9 Aug 14

pembrokedock123 says...

Can someone tell us clearly the clause in the PCC standard Employment Contract that says that if a member of staff takes 'unlawful cash payments' or is the subject of a police investigation she/he will be immediately suspended until they can clear their name - or not. Then it will be perfectly transparent if there is one rule for the Chief Exec and another for everyone else. Isn't there also something to this effect in the good practice guidance of SOLACE, the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives?
Can someone tell us clearly the clause in the PCC standard Employment Contract that says that if a member of staff takes 'unlawful cash payments' or is the subject of a police investigation she/he will be immediately suspended until they can clear their name - or not. Then it will be perfectly transparent if there is one rule for the Chief Exec and another for everyone else. Isn't there also something to this effect in the good practice guidance of SOLACE, the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives? pembrokedock123
  • Score: 11

8:44am Sun 10 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

http://jacobwilliams
.com/6285/molehunt/
Dark Rainey morning, to brighten up you day visit the Jacob Williams web site.
Hiring of private investigators at our expense.
Here is a line from a famous song.
And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain.
http://jacobwilliams .com/6285/molehunt/ Dark Rainey morning, to brighten up you day visit the Jacob Williams web site. Hiring of private investigators at our expense. Here is a line from a famous song. And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain. Welshman23
  • Score: 4

10:11am Sun 10 Aug 14

seaveiw says...

hardcheese wrote:
Bryn Parry-Jones should take note:

"The finances of Shropshire Council are in good health, Keith Barrow, Leader of Shropshire Council, has said. A little over 12 months ago, Shropshire Council began in earnest the second phase of the restructuring of the way the entire authority worked in the wake of huge saving targets needing to be met.

Taking stock, Cllr Barrow reviewed how Shropshire Council had restructured the senior management in the authority over previous years, saying:

“We had a Chief Executive on £186,000 per annum. Our current Chief Executive, Clive , is actually on £99,000 per annum and he’s the lowest paid Chief Executive at our level in the country. Of course he’s the highest paid in our organisation but everyone else earns less.”
Cllr Barrow added:

“I’ve seen today some pretty strange figures relating to senior management pay at Shropshire Council from the Taxpayer’s Alliance, which I must say I’m surprised they have gone ahead with. These are old figures and no longer applicable to the council because we have completely restructured our management team over the past two years, which has been well documented by the local media. As a result of that restructure, we no longer have anyone on the council payroll with a salary over £100,000 but the quality of staff we have at the council is high and Clive has done and continues to do an excellent job in taking the organisation through this period of change.”.”
Watch Keith Barrow talk about Shropshire Council’s finances here:

The reduction of senior pay saved the authority £5 million per annum, with Cllr Barrow confirming that further restructuring was not the main method for meeting the £80 million savings target with an emphasis on service redesign instead, saying:

“In first 12 months we’re going to save £40 million. That sounds quite a challenge, and it is. We’re going to do it largely by looking at how we do things and asking ‘is that the best way of doing it?’, ‘is that the most efficient way of doing it?’ and ‘can we do it better?’ In every instance where we’ve asked that we’ve found the answer to be ‘yes’ and we can get better outcomes for the customer.”
hope pembrokeshire will follow there example, dont think so whilst the mafia rule,keep going all you who believe democracy can win in the end
[quote][p][bold]hardcheese[/bold] wrote: Bryn Parry-Jones should take note: "The finances of Shropshire Council are in good health, Keith Barrow, Leader of Shropshire Council, has said. A little over 12 months ago, Shropshire Council began in earnest the second phase of the restructuring of the way the entire authority worked in the wake of huge saving targets needing to be met. Taking stock, Cllr Barrow reviewed how Shropshire Council had restructured the senior management in the authority over previous years, saying: “We had a Chief Executive on £186,000 per annum. Our current Chief Executive, Clive [Wright], is actually on £99,000 per annum and he’s the lowest paid Chief Executive at our level in the country. Of course he’s the highest paid in our organisation but everyone else earns less.” Cllr Barrow added: “I’ve seen today some pretty strange figures relating to senior management pay at Shropshire Council from the Taxpayer’s Alliance, which I must say I’m surprised they have gone ahead with. These are old figures and no longer applicable to the council because we have completely restructured our management team over the past two years, which has been well documented by the local media. As a result of that restructure, we no longer have anyone on the council payroll with a salary over £100,000 but the quality of staff we have at the council is high and Clive has done and continues to do an excellent job in taking the organisation through this period of change.”.” Watch Keith Barrow talk about Shropshire Council’s finances here: The reduction of senior pay saved the authority £5 million per annum, with Cllr Barrow confirming that further restructuring was not the main method for meeting the £80 million savings target with an emphasis on service redesign instead, saying: “In first 12 months we’re going to save £40 million. That sounds quite a challenge, and it is. We’re going to do it largely by looking at how we do things and asking ‘is that the best way of doing it?’, ‘is that the most efficient way of doing it?’ and ‘can we do it better?’ In every instance where we’ve asked that we’ve found the answer to be ‘yes’ and we can get better outcomes for the customer.”[/p][/quote]hope pembrokeshire will follow there example, dont think so whilst the mafia rule,keep going all you who believe democracy can win in the end seaveiw
  • Score: 4

11:18am Sun 10 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
http://jacobwilliams

.com/6285/molehunt/
Dark Rainey morning, to brighten up you day visit the Jacob Williams web site.
Hiring of private investigators at our expense.
Here is a line from a famous song.
And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain.
So now we have hard evidence that Jamie Adams is less than honest and is economical with the truth. It is my view that this Cllr Adams honesty and indeed ability in his role was highly questionable pretty much from the start of his appointment. It is obvious to me that Jamie Adams is clearly not fit to hold this position within the council and that the electorate should not have to wait until the next elections in order to have him removed.

This has all dragged on far too long and as Jamie Adams does not have the moral fibre or decency to resign then it is left to us the tax payers of Pembrokeshire to demand from the Welsh Assembly that they intervene at the earliest opportunity. The Welsh Assembly has previously stated that they are monitoring the situation closely and hopefully now that there is hard evidence as to Cllr Adams deceitfulness they ( The Welsh Assembly ) will now act, indeed this is what we expect from the Welsh Assembly and it will be interesting to see if they do.

It is clear that a significant proportion of Pembrokeshire Tax Payers have lost all confidence in the running of PCC yet it would seem that we are powerless to change this situation until the next elections. So much for democracy!
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: http://jacobwilliams .com/6285/molehunt/ Dark Rainey morning, to brighten up you day visit the Jacob Williams web site. Hiring of private investigators at our expense. Here is a line from a famous song. And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain.[/p][/quote]So now we have hard evidence that Jamie Adams is less than honest and is economical with the truth. It is my view that this Cllr Adams honesty and indeed ability in his role was highly questionable pretty much from the start of his appointment. It is obvious to me that Jamie Adams is clearly not fit to hold this position within the council and that the electorate should not have to wait until the next elections in order to have him removed. This has all dragged on far too long and as Jamie Adams does not have the moral fibre or decency to resign then it is left to us the tax payers of Pembrokeshire to demand from the Welsh Assembly that they intervene at the earliest opportunity. The Welsh Assembly has previously stated that they are monitoring the situation closely and hopefully now that there is hard evidence as to Cllr Adams deceitfulness they ( The Welsh Assembly ) will now act, indeed this is what we expect from the Welsh Assembly and it will be interesting to see if they do. It is clear that a significant proportion of Pembrokeshire Tax Payers have lost all confidence in the running of PCC yet it would seem that we are powerless to change this situation until the next elections. So much for democracy! Bilbo101
  • Score: 7

11:44am Sun 10 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

I am surprised that the Unions have not been keeping an eye on the Council's finances available for the Pay and Grading Scheme.

Some years ago welsh Government made grants available to all 22 authorities, a sum of about £12m made available to PCC.
In the first year of the Council's scheme, £1.0m of this was used for other purposes under officer's delegated powers to allocate and spend the reserves.
The 2013/14 Accounts reveal that at the start of the year, an amount of £5.6m was available as a reserved sum for pay and grading. Some £2.3m was used for this during the year, but a further £2.9m was allocated to the Council's priority 21St C Schools project. Only £0.4m remains to use for Pay and grading claims settlement.

I have been advised that "following outturn review of reserve balances at the end of 2013/14, the Director of Finance and Leisure determined that the level of reserves was no longer required, resulting in a transfer to the 21st Century Schools Programme reserve"

No justification for this has been made. The draft accounts have not been presented to any formal meeting of councillors, and the reserve statement was not presented to Cabinet as part of its annual financial out turn monitoring report.

This one example from one council exposes how free the WG is with our money. This council has appropriated some £4m of its Pay and Grading grant for other purposes. This grant when given was not restricted for this use only.
I am surprised that the Unions have not been keeping an eye on the Council's finances available for the Pay and Grading Scheme. Some years ago welsh Government made grants available to all 22 authorities, a sum of about £12m made available to PCC. In the first year of the Council's scheme, £1.0m of this was used for other purposes under officer's delegated powers to allocate and spend the reserves. The 2013/14 Accounts reveal that at the start of the year, an amount of £5.6m was available as a reserved sum for pay and grading. Some £2.3m was used for this during the year, but a further £2.9m was allocated to the Council's priority 21St C Schools project. Only £0.4m remains to use for Pay and grading claims settlement. I have been advised that "following outturn review of reserve balances at the end of 2013/14, the Director of Finance and Leisure determined that the level of reserves was no longer required, resulting in a transfer to the 21st Century Schools Programme reserve" No justification for this has been made. The draft accounts have not been presented to any formal meeting of councillors, and the reserve statement was not presented to Cabinet as part of its annual financial out turn monitoring report. This one example from one council exposes how free the WG is with our money. This council has appropriated some £4m of its Pay and Grading grant for other purposes. This grant when given was not restricted for this use only. Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 4

12:46pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Just more proof that the Senedd is pretty useless as well - If they are giving extra monies to PCC for something it should be ring fenced


or would the sly and devious get around that as well?
Just more proof that the Senedd is pretty useless as well - If they are giving extra monies to PCC for something it should be ring fenced or would the sly and devious get around that as well? Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Indeview J Hudson says...

I understand that this grant to all councils was "un-hypothecated". As such anything "saved" could be appropriated and used for other council purposes quite properly.
Needless to say our councillors have never been given any say, option or role in this. Rather, they approved a general blanket policy that any spare be allocated to 21C Schools, as the Council's top priority.
I understand that there is no additional money for anything else!
I understand that this grant to all councils was "un-hypothecated". As such anything "saved" could be appropriated and used for other council purposes quite properly. Needless to say our councillors have never been given any say, option or role in this. Rather, they approved a general blanket policy that any spare be allocated to 21C Schools, as the Council's top priority. I understand that there is no additional money for anything else! Indeview J Hudson
  • Score: 1

1:56pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
http://jacobwilliams

.com/6285/molehunt/
Dark Rainey morning, to brighten up you day visit the Jacob Williams web site.
Hiring of private investigators at our expense.
Here is a line from a famous song.
And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain.
The people that have voted this down have the backbone to air your views.
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: http://jacobwilliams .com/6285/molehunt/ Dark Rainey morning, to brighten up you day visit the Jacob Williams web site. Hiring of private investigators at our expense. Here is a line from a famous song. And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain.[/p][/quote]The people that have voted this down have the backbone to air your views. Welshman23
  • Score: -5

3:10pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Welshman23 says...

Welshman23 wrote:
Welshman23 wrote:
http://jacobwilliams


.com/6285/molehunt/
Dark Rainey morning, to brighten up you day visit the Jacob Williams web site.
Hiring of private investigators at our expense.
Here is a line from a famous song.
And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain.
The people that have voted this down have the backbone to air your views.
-2 Shame on you no balls to express your views, let's see if you and your followers can get me up to -10..
[quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Welshman23[/bold] wrote: http://jacobwilliams .com/6285/molehunt/ Dark Rainey morning, to brighten up you day visit the Jacob Williams web site. Hiring of private investigators at our expense. Here is a line from a famous song. And now the end is near and so I face the final curtain.[/p][/quote]The people that have voted this down have the backbone to air your views.[/p][/quote]-2 Shame on you no balls to express your views, let's see if you and your followers can get me up to -10.. Welshman23
  • Score: -4

3:26pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

PLEASE don't allow Bryn (or Jamie) to resign on the grounds of "ill health" which must surely be "plan B"

SACK THE ????? !

PS DEar Police, surely you have to pull your finger out and do the job you were paid to do and stop worrying about crabs at high tide or lobsters at low tide or whatever the saying is

PPS Sorry Welshman I voted your last comment up by mistake ;-)
PLEASE don't allow Bryn (or Jamie) to resign on the grounds of "ill health" which must surely be "plan B" SACK THE ????? ! PS DEar Police, surely you have to pull your finger out and do the job you were paid to do and stop worrying about crabs at high tide or lobsters at low tide or whatever the saying is PPS Sorry Welshman I voted your last comment up by mistake ;-) Tttoommy
  • Score: -8

5:58pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

pembrokedock123 wrote:
Can someone tell us clearly the clause in the PCC standard Employment Contract that says that if a member of staff takes 'unlawful cash payments' or is the subject of a police investigation she/he will be immediately suspended until they can clear their name - or not. Then it will be perfectly transparent if there is one rule for the Chief Exec and another for everyone else. Isn't there also something to this effect in the good practice guidance of SOLACE, the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives?
I asked the HR dept of the council about this, I've posted their answer below***

In my opinion it says we have no standard operating procedure as it depends who it is, a local boyo, someone with connections,,bit embaressing ........ ..... you get the idea :(

After all whistle blowers who report fears about paedophiles within the council get sacked whilst Mik Smith had glowing references as I recall - though I'm sure the present HR ppl had nothing to do with that decision!

***Thank you for your enquiry which has been passed to me for a response.

Any cases involving a Police investigation would be assessed with the nature of the alleged offence in mind. In that respect, each case will always be judged on its own merit with the decision to suspend or invoke ‘garden leave’ as an option would be based on an assessment of any potential risk involved. That is standard practice within the Authority.

I trust that this clarifies the matter.


Yours sincerely,
[quote][p][bold]pembrokedock123[/bold] wrote: Can someone tell us clearly the clause in the PCC standard Employment Contract that says that if a member of staff takes 'unlawful cash payments' or is the subject of a police investigation she/he will be immediately suspended until they can clear their name - or not. Then it will be perfectly transparent if there is one rule for the Chief Exec and another for everyone else. Isn't there also something to this effect in the good practice guidance of SOLACE, the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives?[/p][/quote]I asked the HR dept of the council about this, I've posted their answer below*** In my opinion it says we have no standard operating procedure as it depends who it is, a local boyo, someone with connections,,bit embaressing ........ ..... you get the idea :( After all whistle blowers who report fears about paedophiles within the council get sacked whilst Mik Smith had glowing references as I recall - though I'm sure the present HR ppl had nothing to do with that decision! ***Thank you for your enquiry which has been passed to me for a response. Any cases involving a Police investigation would be assessed with the nature of the alleged offence in mind. In that respect, each case will always be judged on its own merit with the decision to suspend or invoke ‘garden leave’ as an option would be based on an assessment of any potential risk involved. That is standard practice within the Authority. I trust that this clarifies the matter. Yours sincerely, Tttoommy
  • Score: -8

8:40am Mon 11 Aug 14

Andrew Lye says...

Surely the revelation in Cllr Jacob Williams revelation on his website, on Saturday evening must be grounds for suspension, at the very least.

All the antics over recent months is surely proof that he is bringing the Council into disrepute. Now the allegations of bullying to a person who has no axe to grind clearly shows what is happening at the top of Pembrokeshire County Council.

It may not be a police matter, but it surely warrants action by Jamie Adams, even if it ultimately brings about his own (and others) downfall as well.

It certainly looks as though the Iron Dome around BPJ has been breached.
Surely the revelation in Cllr Jacob Williams revelation on his website, on Saturday evening must be grounds for suspension, at the very least. All the antics over recent months is surely proof that he is bringing the Council into disrepute. Now the allegations of bullying to a person who has no axe to grind clearly shows what is happening at the top of Pembrokeshire County Council. It may not be a police matter, but it surely warrants action by Jamie Adams, even if it ultimately brings about his own (and others) downfall as well. It certainly looks as though the Iron Dome around BPJ has been breached. Andrew Lye
  • Score: 6

9:19pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Tttoommy says...

Andrew Lye wrote:
Surely the revelation in Cllr Jacob Williams revelation on his website, on Saturday evening must be grounds for suspension, at the very least.

All the antics over recent months is surely proof that he is bringing the Council into disrepute. Now the allegations of bullying to a person who has no axe to grind clearly shows what is happening at the top of Pembrokeshire County Council.

It may not be a police matter, but it surely warrants action by Jamie Adams, even if it ultimately brings about his own (and others) downfall as well.

It certainly looks as though the Iron Dome around BPJ has been breached.
as in previous comment, BPJ decides what the operating procedure is.
HR dept just does what the big bad boss tells them, must be shameful , so much money - even more than 30 pieces of silver ,so little responsibility
[quote][p][bold]Andrew Lye[/bold] wrote: Surely the revelation in Cllr Jacob Williams revelation on his website, on Saturday evening must be grounds for suspension, at the very least. All the antics over recent months is surely proof that he is bringing the Council into disrepute. Now the allegations of bullying to a person who has no axe to grind clearly shows what is happening at the top of Pembrokeshire County Council. It may not be a police matter, but it surely warrants action by Jamie Adams, even if it ultimately brings about his own (and others) downfall as well. It certainly looks as though the Iron Dome around BPJ has been breached.[/p][/quote]as in previous comment, BPJ decides what the operating procedure is. HR dept just does what the big bad boss tells them, must be shameful , so much money - even more than 30 pieces of silver ,so little responsibility Tttoommy
  • Score: 1

11:55am Tue 12 Aug 14

Bilbo101 says...

Help end the corruption in PCC by signing the petition and sending it to all your friends. 2507 Pembrokeshire people have so far signed, lets get it past the 3000 mark, Facebook and Twitter the link to all your family and friends : https://you.38degree
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Help end the corruption in PCC by signing the petition and sending it to all your friends. 2507 Pembrokeshire people have so far signed, lets get it past the 3000 mark, Facebook and Twitter the link to all your family and friends : https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/e nd-corruption-in-pem brokeshire-county-co uncil Bilbo101
  • Score: 3

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