How did your councillor vote on motion of no confidence against Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive?

Western Telegraph: How did your councillor vote on motion of no confidence against Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive? How did your councillor vote on motion of no confidence against Pembrokeshire County Council chief executive?

On Thursday afternoon, Pembrokeshire County Councillors voted on more than a dozen notices of motion of no confidence in the chief executive, Bryn Parry-Jones.

Mr Parry-Jones survived the motion by 30 votes to 23, with five abstentions.

Here is the full list of how your councillors voted:

Against the motion of no confidence:

Jamie Adams (Independent Plus, Camrose), John Allen-Mirehouse (Independent Plus, Angle), Daphney Bush (Independent Plus, Pembroke), Mark Edwards (Independent Plus, Prendergast-Haverfordwest), Wynne Evans (Independent Plus, Narberth), Lyndon Frayling (Independent Plus, Garth-Haverfordwest), Huw George (Independent Plus, Maenchlochog), Brian Hall (Independent Plus, Market, Pembroke Dock), Paul Harris (Independent Plus, Newport), Umelda Havard (Independent Plus, Merlins Bridge), Stan Hudson (Conservative, Milford North), Mike James (Independent Plus, St Dogmaels), Owen James (unaffiliated Scleddau,), Mike John (Independent Plus, Llangwm), Phil Kidney (unaffiliated Manorbier), Keith Lewis (Independent Plus, Crymych), Rob Lewis (Independent Plus, Martletwy), Pearl Llewellyn (Independent Plus, Monkton), Peter Morgan (Independent Plus, The Havens), Elwyn Morse (Independent Plus, Narberth Rural), David Neale (Independent Plus, Carew), Susan Perkins (Independent Plus, Llanion, Pembroke Dock), David Pugh (Independent Plus, Kilgetty), William Rees (Independent Plus, Llanrhian), Tom Richards (Independent Plus, Letterston), Ken Rowlands (Independent Plus, Johnston), David Simpson (Independent Plus, Lampeter Velfry), Rob Summons (Independent Plus, Rosemarket & Burton), Arwyn Williams (Independent Plus, Pembroke), Steve Yelland (Independent Plus Rudbaxton).

For the motion of no confidence:

Phil Baker (unaffiliated, Saundersfoot), Tony Brinsden (unaffiliated, Amroth), Rod Bowen (Plaid, Clydau), David Bryan (Conservative, Priory, Haverfordwest), Pat Davies (Labour, Fishguard North West), Tessa Hodgson (unaffiliated, Lamphey), Stephen Joseph (Independent Plus, Milford Haven Central), Bob Kilmister (Pembrokeshire Alliance, Dinas Cross), Alison Lee (Labour, Pembroke Dock Central), Paul Miller (Labour, Neyland West), David Lloyd (unaffiliated, St Davids), Jonathan Nutting (Pembrokeshire Alliance, Pembroke St Michael), Reg Owens (Independent Plus, St Ishmaels), Jonathan Preston (Plaid, Penally), Gwilym Price (Labour, Goodwick), Rhys Sinnett (Plaid, Milford Haven West), Mike Stoddart (unaffiliated, Milford Haven, Hakin), Viv Stoddart (unaffiliated, Milford Haven Hubberston), Tom Tudor (Labour, Haverfordwest Castle), Tony Wilcox (Labour, Pennar), Michael Williams (Plaid, Tenby North), Jacob Williams (unaffiliated, East Williamston), Guy Woodham (Labour, Milford Haven East).

Abstained:

Mike Evans (unaffiliated, Tenby South), John Davies (Independent Plus, Cilgerran), David Howlett (Wiston, Conservative), Lyn Jenkins (Independent Plus, Solva), Peter Stock (Pembrokeshire Alliance, Haverfordwest Portfield).

Absent:

Simon Hancock (Independent Plus, Neyland East), Myles Pepper (Independent Plus, Fishguard North East).

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12:19pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Health fighter says...

I sincerely hope that at the next election voters will remember those councillors who voted against this motion. They should all be ashamed of themselves for voting not to suspend Parry Jones. The Independent Plus group are not independents, at the next election let us hope that they will get their just desserts. and be voted out of office.
I sincerely hope that at the next election voters will remember those councillors who voted against this motion. They should all be ashamed of themselves for voting not to suspend Parry Jones. The Independent Plus group are not independents, at the next election let us hope that they will get their just desserts. and be voted out of office. Health fighter
  • Score: 47

1:22pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Ellen55 says...

It's really time people wrote/telephoned/ema
iled/and directly challenged their councillors face to face.

Can we also be told how councillors voted at the previous (shambolic) meeting? Were Councillors Hancock and Pepper at that one?

Can we have explanations for why did so many abstained?

And perhaps we can also have an idea of whether leaving other groups and joining the IPG plus group has resulted in increased responsibilities and, therefore, allowances for those who have done so? If so, how much?
It's really time people wrote/telephoned/ema iled/and directly challenged their councillors face to face. Can we also be told how councillors voted at the previous (shambolic) meeting? Were Councillors Hancock and Pepper at that one? Can we have explanations for why did so many abstained? And perhaps we can also have an idea of whether leaving other groups and joining the IPG plus group has resulted in increased responsibilities and, therefore, allowances for those who have done so? If so, how much? Ellen55
  • Score: 24

1:25pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Justiceforall says...

All this sorry bunch agree and endorse the actions of the CEO, when most of Pembrokeshire wants to get rid of him. It is time they realised that they are in office to do our bidding, I cannot wait to rid PCC of these waste of space boot lickers and fence sitters. Role on the elections.
All this sorry bunch agree and endorse the actions of the CEO, when most of Pembrokeshire wants to get rid of him. It is time they realised that they are in office to do our bidding, I cannot wait to rid PCC of these waste of space boot lickers and fence sitters. Role on the elections. Justiceforall
  • Score: 19

1:34pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

Simon Hancock, Sue Perkins, Ken Rowlands and Pearl Llewellyn benefited from Special Responsibility Allowances when joining the IPG from Labour.
Simon Hancock, Sue Perkins, Ken Rowlands and Pearl Llewellyn benefited from Special Responsibility Allowances when joining the IPG from Labour. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 26

1:40pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Ellen55 says...

Thank you Martin. Are any 'before and after' figures available?
Thank you Martin. Are any 'before and after' figures available? Ellen55
  • Score: 8

2:01pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

Example:

2011/12 Simon Hancock (Labour)
Councillor's Allowance £13,473

2012/13 Simon Hancock (IPG)
Basic salary: £602
Senior Salary: £24,602
Hywel Dda Salary: £13,000

+ expenses etc etc etc
Example: 2011/12 Simon Hancock (Labour) Councillor's Allowance £13,473 2012/13 Simon Hancock (IPG) Basic salary: £602 Senior Salary: £24,602 Hywel Dda Salary: £13,000 + expenses etc etc etc Martin Lewis
  • Score: 26

2:07pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Ellen55 says...

Do you know if he is still with the National Park as well? Any other bodies?

Where can we get this information and figures from please?

Many thanks.
Do you know if he is still with the National Park as well? Any other bodies? Where can we get this information and figures from please? Many thanks. Ellen55
  • Score: 12

4:13pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Mike Stoddart says...

Martin
The figures quoted for Cllr Hancock are for the year 2012 - 2013 which ended on 31 March 2013.
His Cabinet allowance is therefore for the part year May 2012 - 31 March 2013.
For the full year his senior salary (basic allowance + SRA) is more like £28,000 plus of course Hywel Dda, another £13,000.
His register of interests can be found on the council's website under councillors.
As you will see, he is an extremely busy fellow.
Indeed, as the Cabinet salary is based on it being a full-time job, you have to wonder where he finds the time.
Martin The figures quoted for Cllr Hancock are for the year 2012 - 2013 which ended on 31 March 2013. His Cabinet allowance is therefore for the part year May 2012 - 31 March 2013. For the full year his senior salary (basic allowance + SRA) is more like £28,000 plus of course Hywel Dda, another £13,000. His register of interests can be found on the council's website under councillors. As you will see, he is an extremely busy fellow. Indeed, as the Cabinet salary is based on it being a full-time job, you have to wonder where he finds the time. Mike Stoddart
  • Score: 24

4:23pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Justiceforall says...

Maybe Mr Hancocks and any other Councillor that did not come to the vote dismissed the CEO issue as unimportant to warrant attending. I hope their constituents make them pay for it in the next election,. Same goes for the bunch that abstained, if they cant make their mind up, they should not be making decisions on behalf of the people.
Maybe Mr Hancocks and any other Councillor that did not come to the vote dismissed the CEO issue as unimportant to warrant attending. I hope their constituents make them pay for it in the next election,. Same goes for the bunch that abstained, if they cant make their mind up, they should not be making decisions on behalf of the people. Justiceforall
  • Score: 17

4:28pm Fri 7 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Anybody know what was the reasoning behind Mike Evans' abstention?
Anybody know what was the reasoning behind Mike Evans' abstention? PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 9

5:53pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

PembrokeshireMan wrote:
Anybody know what was the reasoning behind Mike Evans' abstention?
I'm very curious about that also. Can you shed any light on that Mike S?
[quote][p][bold]PembrokeshireMan[/bold] wrote: Anybody know what was the reasoning behind Mike Evans' abstention?[/p][/quote]I'm very curious about that also. Can you shed any light on that Mike S? Martin Lewis
  • Score: 10

6:40pm Fri 7 Mar 14

chizy says...

Good to see who's who.................
.

No prizes for guessing who voted against.

One thing you can say about the normal, decent, law abiding people of Pembrokeshire, they have very good memories.

And when these poor individuals who voted against lose their seats in the next election and try to integrate back into normal society, the people of Pembrokeshire may forgive but they will never forget.
Hey these guys may be hated or disliked, those feelings can erode over time.Time heals after all, doesn't it?
But to lose the trust of someone, that's a life sentence of virtual isolation within the communities of Pembrokeshire.Top rule is do not break someone's trust. The trust of many Pembrokeshire people has not been broken, it's been smashed to bits. Sad days...........

You couldn't make it up :(
Good to see who's who................. . No prizes for guessing who voted against. One thing you can say about the normal, decent, law abiding people of Pembrokeshire, they have very good memories. And when these poor individuals who voted against lose their seats in the next election and try to integrate back into normal society, the people of Pembrokeshire may forgive but they will never forget. Hey these guys may be hated or disliked, those feelings can erode over time.Time heals after all, doesn't it? But to lose the trust of someone, that's a life sentence of virtual isolation within the communities of Pembrokeshire.Top rule is do not break someone's trust. The trust of many Pembrokeshire people has not been broken, it's been smashed to bits. Sad days........... You couldn't make it up :( chizy
  • Score: 14

6:45pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

I saw my councillor voted against Bryn, he can be assured of my vote next time - well done Sir!
I saw my councillor voted against Bryn, he can be assured of my vote next time - well done Sir! Tttoommy
  • Score: 7

7:59pm Fri 7 Mar 14

ukwoody says...

Well sorry but Stanley Hudson my local councillor voted FOR BJP and will NOT be getting my vote next time.

As said above, people won't forget this
Well sorry but Stanley Hudson my local councillor voted FOR BJP and will NOT be getting my vote next time. As said above, people won't forget this ukwoody
  • Score: 17

9:24pm Fri 7 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Can anyone explain to me is an indepedant plus councillor supposed to be , the one who represents The Havens will not be receiving my vote. When I gave him my vote I thought he was a fair minded objective person who could and would represent the people of Pembrokeshire.
Can anyone explain to me is an indepedant plus councillor supposed to be , the one who represents The Havens will not be receiving my vote. When I gave him my vote I thought he was a fair minded objective person who could and would represent the people of Pembrokeshire. seaveiw
  • Score: 13

9:33pm Fri 7 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Ellen55 wrote:
It's really time people wrote/telephoned/ema

iled/and directly challenged their councillors face to face.

Can we also be told how councillors voted at the previous (shambolic) meeting? Were Councillors Hancock and Pepper at that one?

Can we have explanations for why did so many abstained?

And perhaps we can also have an idea of whether leaving other groups and joining the IPG plus group has resulted in increased responsibilities and, therefore, allowances for those who have done so? If so, how much?
So many abstained because they didn't want the constituents who voted for to know what they voted. In such a major vote they should be able as supposedly intellegant people be able to come to some conclusion after hearing the evidence.
[quote][p][bold]Ellen55[/bold] wrote: It's really time people wrote/telephoned/ema iled/and directly challenged their councillors face to face. Can we also be told how councillors voted at the previous (shambolic) meeting? Were Councillors Hancock and Pepper at that one? Can we have explanations for why did so many abstained? And perhaps we can also have an idea of whether leaving other groups and joining the IPG plus group has resulted in increased responsibilities and, therefore, allowances for those who have done so? If so, how much?[/p][/quote]So many abstained because they didn't want the constituents who voted for to know what they voted. In such a major vote they should be able as supposedly intellegant people be able to come to some conclusion after hearing the evidence. seaveiw
  • Score: 9

10:31pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Flashbang says...

It's quite plain that Special Responsibility positions are being used as incentives to influence the recipients allegiance. Can the plod from England look into this too please. Have they even arrived in Pembrokeshire yet? It should also be a serious crime to destroy any paperwork relating to council matters. As for abstaining on a vote, it speaks volumes about your cowardice councillors. Same for the no-shows.
It's quite plain that Special Responsibility positions are being used as incentives to influence the recipients allegiance. Can the plod from England look into this too please. Have they even arrived in Pembrokeshire yet? It should also be a serious crime to destroy any paperwork relating to council matters. As for abstaining on a vote, it speaks volumes about your cowardice councillors. Same for the no-shows. Flashbang
  • Score: 12

2:08am Sat 8 Mar 14

Steve in Pembs says...

I agree with Justiceforall's comments. What were their respective reasons for abstaining? You either do or dont agree, there is no 'I'm not sure, or 'dont look at me' option.
As for the no shows, what were your reasons? Not bothering to turn up for such an important vote is as bad, if not worse than abstaining.
Councillors are voted to represent their contituents and as such their vote should reflect this, I hope that in the next round of local elections, manifestos clearly state how candidates voted.
Peoples memories are a lot longer than the careers of those sycophants who let down their constituents.
I agree with Justiceforall's comments. What were their respective reasons for abstaining? You either do or dont agree, there is no 'I'm not sure, or 'dont look at me' option. As for the no shows, what were your reasons? Not bothering to turn up for such an important vote is as bad, if not worse than abstaining. Councillors are voted to represent their contituents and as such their vote should reflect this, I hope that in the next round of local elections, manifestos clearly state how candidates voted. Peoples memories are a lot longer than the careers of those sycophants who let down their constituents. Steve in Pembs
  • Score: 9

9:39am Sat 8 Mar 14

Gogledd says...

Sadly, this may well have played us well into the hands of the WG who want a reason to dissolve PCC and create a new Council, either joined with Cardigan or Carmarthen or both. As was stated, the Welsh Govt is watching what is going on in Wales and if ever they needed an excuse to wind all this lot up then this is it. If the Police find that there is a case to answer then that will be another nail in the coffin of the PCC. This is not the way it should be but maybe the quickest way out rather than to wait until 2017 for the next election is this way. I do not think the Welsh Govt want to take the very radical steps as they did in Ynys Mon Council in N Wales where they took over that Council and new elections were held...I would imagine the easiest way is for amalgamation...?
Sadly, this may well have played us well into the hands of the WG who want a reason to dissolve PCC and create a new Council, either joined with Cardigan or Carmarthen or both. As was stated, the Welsh Govt is watching what is going on in Wales and if ever they needed an excuse to wind all this lot up then this is it. If the Police find that there is a case to answer then that will be another nail in the coffin of the PCC. This is not the way it should be but maybe the quickest way out rather than to wait until 2017 for the next election is this way. I do not think the Welsh Govt want to take the very radical steps as they did in Ynys Mon Council in N Wales where they took over that Council and new elections were held...I would imagine the easiest way is for amalgamation...? Gogledd
  • Score: 8

9:40am Sat 8 Mar 14

Justiceforall says...

I wonder what dirt the CEO has over the Councillors that voted to keep him in office?
I wonder what dirt the CEO has over the Councillors that voted to keep him in office? Justiceforall
  • Score: 11

10:34am Sat 8 Mar 14

js9325 says...

Congratulations to Stephen Joseph and Reg Owens, Independent Plus Councillors who supported the motion.
Congratulations to Stephen Joseph and Reg Owens, Independent Plus Councillors who supported the motion. js9325
  • Score: 18

1:07pm Sat 8 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

js9325 wrote:
Congratulations to Stephen Joseph and Reg Owens, Independent Plus Councillors who supported the motion.
and all the others. the prolonged meeting left me scratching my head and wondering what next. The majority of the public are appalled at the outcome of the meeting,the chief executive of Carmarthen has had the moral fibre to stand aside whilst investigations are carried out.Come on P.C.C. sort this out you have a moral responsibility to us to show that democracy is based on fairness and justice.
[quote][p][bold]js9325[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to Stephen Joseph and Reg Owens, Independent Plus Councillors who supported the motion.[/p][/quote]and all the others. the prolonged meeting left me scratching my head and wondering what next. The majority of the public are appalled at the outcome of the meeting,the chief executive of Carmarthen has had the moral fibre to stand aside whilst investigations are carried out.Come on P.C.C. sort this out you have a moral responsibility to us to show that democracy is based on fairness and justice. seaveiw
  • Score: 10

3:20pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

Simon Hancock (Independent Plus, Neyland East), Myles Pepper (Independent Plus, Fishguard North East).

I wonder where they were on that day?
Simon Hancock (Independent Plus, Neyland East), Myles Pepper (Independent Plus, Fishguard North East). I wonder where they were on that day? Electra1
  • Score: 9

5:14pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Kate Becton says...

Even if those who abstained (and I have to admit I've never really understood an abstention vote) had all voted for the motion would have been lost.

It is now difficult to avoid the conclusion that many of you have come to and I have been stupid or naive enough not to accept - it's down to money.

I also believe that by 2017 the political landscape will have changed dramatically - can anyone imagine that there will be 60 Councillors representing Pembrokeshire?

So let's maintain the status quo and put as much money in pockets as we can. This vote means that Mr. Parry Jones will walk away will his one million pension pot plus hugh lump sum.

HOW SAD.
Even if those who abstained (and I have to admit I've never really understood an abstention vote) had all voted for the motion would have been lost. It is now difficult to avoid the conclusion that many of you have come to and I have been stupid or naive enough not to accept - it's down to money. I also believe that by 2017 the political landscape will have changed dramatically - can anyone imagine that there will be 60 Councillors representing Pembrokeshire? So let's maintain the status quo and put as much money in pockets as we can. This vote means that Mr. Parry Jones will walk away will his one million pension pot plus hugh lump sum. HOW SAD. Kate Becton
  • Score: 9

9:12pm Sat 8 Mar 14

PembrokeshireMan says...

Kate Becton wrote:
Even if those who abstained (and I have to admit I've never really understood an abstention vote) had all voted for the motion would have been lost.

It is now difficult to avoid the conclusion that many of you have come to and I have been stupid or naive enough not to accept - it's down to money.

I also believe that by 2017 the political landscape will have changed dramatically - can anyone imagine that there will be 60 Councillors representing Pembrokeshire?

So let's maintain the status quo and put as much money in pockets as we can. This vote means that Mr. Parry Jones will walk away will his one million pension pot plus hugh lump sum.

HOW SAD.
I certainly do think it is about money.

What is sadder is that they have been getting away with it for so many years. As hard as we try to drag them back to the real world the harder they keep on trying to attain as much money as they can and trying to remove themselves as far away as they can, both financially and socially, from normal people, us voters.

They see themselves as an elite. Oligarchs, if you will. They won't go without a fight.

It won't end well.
[quote][p][bold]Kate Becton[/bold] wrote: Even if those who abstained (and I have to admit I've never really understood an abstention vote) had all voted for the motion would have been lost. It is now difficult to avoid the conclusion that many of you have come to and I have been stupid or naive enough not to accept - it's down to money. I also believe that by 2017 the political landscape will have changed dramatically - can anyone imagine that there will be 60 Councillors representing Pembrokeshire? So let's maintain the status quo and put as much money in pockets as we can. This vote means that Mr. Parry Jones will walk away will his one million pension pot plus hugh lump sum. HOW SAD.[/p][/quote]I certainly do think it is about money. What is sadder is that they have been getting away with it for so many years. As hard as we try to drag them back to the real world the harder they keep on trying to attain as much money as they can and trying to remove themselves as far away as they can, both financially and socially, from normal people, us voters. They see themselves as an elite. Oligarchs, if you will. They won't go without a fight. It won't end well. PembrokeshireMan
  • Score: 14

9:47am Sun 9 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

Bryns hanging on until PCC is disbanded and he retires a rich man without a stain on his honour or integrity - LOL, we all need a laugh here sometimes :)

I do wonder how Bryn keeps the troops happy though (the IPPG) has he told them just to hang on for a yer or two or has he told them IF I go loads more mess ups "may" be found and the councillors who voted for things that he told them to vote for may be held financially responsible personally (is the definition ultra vires?) - I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name
Bryns hanging on until PCC is disbanded and he retires a rich man without a stain on his honour or integrity - LOL, we all need a laugh here sometimes :) I do wonder how Bryn keeps the troops happy though (the IPPG) has he told them just to hang on for a yer or two or has he told them IF I go loads more mess ups "may" be found and the councillors who voted for things that he told them to vote for may be held financially responsible personally (is the definition ultra vires?) - I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name Tttoommy
  • Score: 7

11:29am Sun 9 Mar 14

pembrokedock123 says...

The 2 names that stand out to me on these lists are that only one councillor who is part of a political party voted against the Motion: Stan Hudson (Conservative, Milford North) - I assume the political party organisations are advising their members that what is happening is not good practice and should not be supported.

But perhaps most important is that John Davies abstained and did not support the Parry Jones/\Jamie Adams line. Davies must know what happened, when and who was involved perhaps more than anyone apart from Parry-Jones, and Davies was not willing to put his name to defending Parry-Jones. Very interesting.
The 2 names that stand out to me on these lists are that only one councillor who is part of a political party voted against the Motion: Stan Hudson (Conservative, Milford North) - I assume the political party organisations are advising their members that what is happening is not good practice and should not be supported. But perhaps most important is that John Davies abstained and did not support the Parry Jones/\Jamie Adams line. Davies must know what happened, when and who was involved perhaps more than anyone apart from Parry-Jones, and Davies was not willing to put his name to defending Parry-Jones. Very interesting. pembrokedock123
  • Score: 12

11:31am Sun 9 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

pembrokedock123 wrote:
The 2 names that stand out to me on these lists are that only one councillor who is part of a political party voted against the Motion: Stan Hudson (Conservative, Milford North) - I assume the political party organisations are advising their members that what is happening is not good practice and should not be supported.

But perhaps most important is that John Davies abstained and did not support the Parry Jones/\Jamie Adams line. Davies must know what happened, when and who was involved perhaps more than anyone apart from Parry-Jones, and Davies was not willing to put his name to defending Parry-Jones. Very interesting.
I really would like to know how many of the Independent plus group vote Conservative in the General Election.
[quote][p][bold]pembrokedock123[/bold] wrote: The 2 names that stand out to me on these lists are that only one councillor who is part of a political party voted against the Motion: Stan Hudson (Conservative, Milford North) - I assume the political party organisations are advising their members that what is happening is not good practice and should not be supported. But perhaps most important is that John Davies abstained and did not support the Parry Jones/\Jamie Adams line. Davies must know what happened, when and who was involved perhaps more than anyone apart from Parry-Jones, and Davies was not willing to put his name to defending Parry-Jones. Very interesting.[/p][/quote]I really would like to know how many of the Independent plus group vote Conservative in the General Election. Electra1
  • Score: 9

11:38am Sun 9 Mar 14

pembrokedock123 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Bryns hanging on until PCC is disbanded and he retires a rich man without a stain on his honour or integrity - LOL, we all need a laugh here sometimes :)

I do wonder how Bryn keeps the troops happy though (the IPPG) has he told them just to hang on for a yer or two or has he told them IF I go loads more mess ups "may" be found and the councillors who voted for things that he told them to vote for may be held financially responsible personally (is the definition ultra vires?) - I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name
"I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name"

why would this be likely to happen? are their personal assets at risk of confiscation? because they are supporting unlawful behaviour or what? have they been informed of the risk they are taking for them and their families?
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Bryns hanging on until PCC is disbanded and he retires a rich man without a stain on his honour or integrity - LOL, we all need a laugh here sometimes :) I do wonder how Bryn keeps the troops happy though (the IPPG) has he told them just to hang on for a yer or two or has he told them IF I go loads more mess ups "may" be found and the councillors who voted for things that he told them to vote for may be held financially responsible personally (is the definition ultra vires?) - I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name[/p][/quote]"I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name" why would this be likely to happen? are their personal assets at risk of confiscation? because they are supporting unlawful behaviour or what? have they been informed of the risk they are taking for them and their families? pembrokedock123
  • Score: 6

7:49pm Sun 9 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

I don't know which is worse an abstention or a no show both to me are worse than those who voted against the motion,at least they made adecision (which by the way I cant agree with) shame on them.
I don't know which is worse an abstention or a no show both to me are worse than those who voted against the motion,at least they made adecision (which by the way I cant agree with) shame on them. seaveiw
  • Score: 7

8:38pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Ellen55 says...

Both no shows and abstentions are, effectively, votes backing BPJ and against the motion. That makes them even more cowardly and dishonest than those openly protecting BPJ and themselves.
Both no shows and abstentions are, effectively, votes backing BPJ and against the motion. That makes them even more cowardly and dishonest than those openly protecting BPJ and themselves. Ellen55
  • Score: 7

9:54pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

I see Pembs Herald is reporting the Legal advice that was given to Pembs and Carms. CC - - It's appearing on Carms CC web site - appears to make some ppl out to be liars I'd say ;-)

http://pembrokeshire
herald.com/3822/carm
arthenshire-spill-be
ans-qcs-legal-advice
-published-online-%E
2%80%A2-didnt/
I see Pembs Herald is reporting the Legal advice that was given to Pembs and Carms. CC - - It's appearing on Carms CC web site - appears to make some ppl out to be liars I'd say ;-) http://pembrokeshire herald.com/3822/carm arthenshire-spill-be ans-qcs-legal-advice -published-online-%E 2%80%A2-didnt/ Tttoommy
  • Score: 6

11:32pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Flashbang says...

Tttoommy wrote:
I see Pembs Herald is reporting the Legal advice that was given to Pembs and Carms. CC - - It's appearing on Carms CC web site - appears to make some ppl out to be liars I'd say ;-)

http://pembrokeshire

herald.com/3822/carm

arthenshire-spill-be

ans-qcs-legal-advice

-published-online-%E

2%80%A2-didnt/
As this advice was not made available to opposition councillors the bill for this fiasco should be paid solely by the instigators and not the taxpayers of the county. Especially the bill for the QC to come and threaten anyone who opposed the regime at the St Valentines day farce.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: I see Pembs Herald is reporting the Legal advice that was given to Pembs and Carms. CC - - It's appearing on Carms CC web site - appears to make some ppl out to be liars I'd say ;-) http://pembrokeshire herald.com/3822/carm arthenshire-spill-be ans-qcs-legal-advice -published-online-%E 2%80%A2-didnt/[/p][/quote]As this advice was not made available to opposition councillors the bill for this fiasco should be paid solely by the instigators and not the taxpayers of the county. Especially the bill for the QC to come and threaten anyone who opposed the regime at the St Valentines day farce. Flashbang
  • Score: 7

8:27am Wed 12 Mar 14

malcolm calver says...

I note that Owen James (Scleddau) and Phillip Kidney (Manorbier) both unaffiliated voted against the motion. Fair play to them they must have both looked at the past record of Mr Parry Jones and decided for their own reasons, to give him their full support.
I can understand members of the Independent Party supporting Mr Parry Jones and Cllr Adams in the debate because many are on SPA`s and had probably discussed the matter and decided how they would vote at a group meeting. .

Cllr Phillip Kidney is my local member, I would appreciate if anyone is aware if he spoke in the debate or any other debate associated with the crisis at county hall to provide reasoning for his decision.

The sad thing about this affair is that the vast majority of county councillors, whom I am sure are aware of this website, do not have the confidence to give reasons for their decision.
I note that Owen James (Scleddau) and Phillip Kidney (Manorbier) both unaffiliated voted against the motion. Fair play to them they must have both looked at the past record of Mr Parry Jones and decided for their own reasons, to give him their full support. I can understand members of the Independent Party supporting Mr Parry Jones and Cllr Adams in the debate because many are on SPA`s and had probably discussed the matter and decided how they would vote at a group meeting. . Cllr Phillip Kidney is my local member, I would appreciate if anyone is aware if he spoke in the debate or any other debate associated with the crisis at county hall to provide reasoning for his decision. The sad thing about this affair is that the vast majority of county councillors, whom I am sure are aware of this website, do not have the confidence to give reasons for their decision. malcolm calver
  • Score: 9

6:33pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

pembrokedock123 wrote:
Tttoommy wrote:
Bryns hanging on until PCC is disbanded and he retires a rich man without a stain on his honour or integrity - LOL, we all need a laugh here sometimes :)

I do wonder how Bryn keeps the troops happy though (the IPPG) has he told them just to hang on for a yer or two or has he told them IF I go loads more mess ups "may" be found and the councillors who voted for things that he told them to vote for may be held financially responsible personally (is the definition ultra vires?) - I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name
"I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name"

why would this be likely to happen? are their personal assets at risk of confiscation? because they are supporting unlawful behaviour or what? have they been informed of the risk they are taking for them and their families?
There have been cases where councillors have acted beyond their legal authority or in a reckless manner so that the Council and the tax payers have lost a great deal of money and the councillors have been held financially responsible themselves for their actions - It's happened a few times - the most famous case I remember is of Dame Shirley Porter of Westminster Council who actually fled the country rather than pay back the millions (she was rich in her own being the daughter of the guy who started Tesco off)
[quote][p][bold]pembrokedock123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Bryns hanging on until PCC is disbanded and he retires a rich man without a stain on his honour or integrity - LOL, we all need a laugh here sometimes :) I do wonder how Bryn keeps the troops happy though (the IPPG) has he told them just to hang on for a yer or two or has he told them IF I go loads more mess ups "may" be found and the councillors who voted for things that he told them to vote for may be held financially responsible personally (is the definition ultra vires?) - I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name[/p][/quote]"I know If I was an IPPG councillor I'd be a bit scared and be putting my house or my farm in my wife's name" why would this be likely to happen? are their personal assets at risk of confiscation? because they are supporting unlawful behaviour or what? have they been informed of the risk they are taking for them and their families?[/p][/quote]There have been cases where councillors have acted beyond their legal authority or in a reckless manner so that the Council and the tax payers have lost a great deal of money and the councillors have been held financially responsible themselves for their actions - It's happened a few times - the most famous case I remember is of Dame Shirley Porter of Westminster Council who actually fled the country rather than pay back the millions (she was rich in her own being the daughter of the guy who started Tesco off) Tttoommy
  • Score: 5

7:45am Thu 13 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

malcolm calver wrote:
I note that Owen James (Scleddau) and Phillip Kidney (Manorbier) both unaffiliated voted against the motion. Fair play to them they must have both looked at the past record of Mr Parry Jones and decided for their own reasons, to give him their full support.
I can understand members of the Independent Party supporting Mr Parry Jones and Cllr Adams in the debate because many are on SPA`s and had probably discussed the matter and decided how they would vote at a group meeting. .

Cllr Phillip Kidney is my local member, I would appreciate if anyone is aware if he spoke in the debate or any other debate associated with the crisis at county hall to provide reasoning for his decision.

The sad thing about this affair is that the vast majority of county councillors, whom I am sure are aware of this website, do not have the confidence to give reasons for their decision.
No Malcolm, Phil Kidney spoke not a solitary word.
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: I note that Owen James (Scleddau) and Phillip Kidney (Manorbier) both unaffiliated voted against the motion. Fair play to them they must have both looked at the past record of Mr Parry Jones and decided for their own reasons, to give him their full support. I can understand members of the Independent Party supporting Mr Parry Jones and Cllr Adams in the debate because many are on SPA`s and had probably discussed the matter and decided how they would vote at a group meeting. . Cllr Phillip Kidney is my local member, I would appreciate if anyone is aware if he spoke in the debate or any other debate associated with the crisis at county hall to provide reasoning for his decision. The sad thing about this affair is that the vast majority of county councillors, whom I am sure are aware of this website, do not have the confidence to give reasons for their decision.[/p][/quote]No Malcolm, Phil Kidney spoke not a solitary word. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 6

11:49am Thu 13 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

malcolm calver wrote:
I note that Owen James (Scleddau) and Phillip Kidney (Manorbier) both unaffiliated voted against the motion. Fair play to them they must have both looked at the past record of Mr Parry Jones and decided for their own reasons, to give him their full support.
I can understand members of the Independent Party supporting Mr Parry Jones and Cllr Adams in the debate because many are on SPA`s and had probably discussed the matter and decided how they would vote at a group meeting. .

Cllr Phillip Kidney is my local member, I would appreciate if anyone is aware if he spoke in the debate or any other debate associated with the crisis at county hall to provide reasoning for his decision.

The sad thing about this affair is that the vast majority of county councillors, whom I am sure are aware of this website, do not have the confidence to give reasons for their decision.
I agree come on some of you county councillors make some comment on your reasons either for or against.After all you were present at the same debate that I watched and I can distingwish right from wrong.,perhaps those who abstained could also provide an answer to their reasons why
[quote][p][bold]malcolm calver[/bold] wrote: I note that Owen James (Scleddau) and Phillip Kidney (Manorbier) both unaffiliated voted against the motion. Fair play to them they must have both looked at the past record of Mr Parry Jones and decided for their own reasons, to give him their full support. I can understand members of the Independent Party supporting Mr Parry Jones and Cllr Adams in the debate because many are on SPA`s and had probably discussed the matter and decided how they would vote at a group meeting. . Cllr Phillip Kidney is my local member, I would appreciate if anyone is aware if he spoke in the debate or any other debate associated with the crisis at county hall to provide reasoning for his decision. The sad thing about this affair is that the vast majority of county councillors, whom I am sure are aware of this website, do not have the confidence to give reasons for their decision.[/p][/quote]I agree come on some of you county councillors make some comment on your reasons either for or against.After all you were present at the same debate that I watched and I can distingwish right from wrong.,perhaps those who abstained could also provide an answer to their reasons why seaveiw
  • Score: 7

2:03pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

Social Media will be the downfall of a few current county councillors after the next election because so many people in so many wards will use it to remind voters of the happenings of the previous 4 years at an unprecedented level.
Social Media will be the downfall of a few current county councillors after the next election because so many people in so many wards will use it to remind voters of the happenings of the previous 4 years at an unprecedented level. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 6

10:24am Fri 14 Mar 14

Refugee of newport says...

Stopping people from repeat offending starts with not re-electing them.
Stopping people from repeat offending starts with not re-electing them. Refugee of newport
  • Score: 6

11:13am Fri 14 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Still waiting for an explanation what an independent+ councillor is, perhaps it means independent from what the electorate want, or independent when it comes to democracy, and absolving themselves from any bad decisions they have made in the previous months
Still waiting for an explanation what an independent+ councillor is, perhaps it means independent from what the electorate want, or independent when it comes to democracy, and absolving themselves from any bad decisions they have made in the previous months seaveiw
  • Score: 7

1:37pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed.

IPG stood for Independent Political Group.

Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG.

At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East.

He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG.

Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.
I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed. IPG stood for Independent Political Group. Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG. At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East. He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG. Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 5

1:56pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Ellen55 says...

So do we know Simon Hancock's vote, attitude at the shambolic meeting? Have we had ANY comments from him on any of the issues we are all concerned about?
So do we know Simon Hancock's vote, attitude at the shambolic meeting? Have we had ANY comments from him on any of the issues we are all concerned about? Ellen55
  • Score: 5

2:44pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Martin Lewis says...

Simon told me that he believed the "head of paid services should step down" and that he had made the same comment to the press (Milford Mercury).

However, he told me the night before the meeting that he was ill and may not be able to attend.
Simon told me that he believed the "head of paid services should step down" and that he had made the same comment to the press (Milford Mercury). However, he told me the night before the meeting that he was ill and may not be able to attend. Martin Lewis
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Fri 14 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Martin Lewis wrote:
I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed.

IPG stood for Independent Political Group.

Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG.

At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East.

He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG.

Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.
Thanks for that I understand now I was not aware a councillor could change political affiliation after being elected or non elected in some case, Is it allowed can you imagine if this happened at Westminster if this happened.
[quote][p][bold]Martin Lewis[/bold] wrote: I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed. IPG stood for Independent Political Group. Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG. At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East. He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG. Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that I understand now I was not aware a councillor could change political affiliation after being elected or non elected in some case, Is it allowed can you imagine if this happened at Westminster if this happened. seaveiw
  • Score: 4

7:01am Sat 15 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

seaveiw wrote:
Martin Lewis wrote:
I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed.

IPG stood for Independent Political Group.

Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG.

At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East.

He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG.

Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.
Thanks for that I understand now I was not aware a councillor could change political affiliation after being elected or non elected in some case, Is it allowed can you imagine if this happened at Westminster if this happened.
I think any councillor that jumps ship after the voyage has started should be put on a desert island until another ship passes by in say about 4yrs.
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martin Lewis[/bold] wrote: I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed. IPG stood for Independent Political Group. Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG. At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East. He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG. Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that I understand now I was not aware a councillor could change political affiliation after being elected or non elected in some case, Is it allowed can you imagine if this happened at Westminster if this happened.[/p][/quote]I think any councillor that jumps ship after the voyage has started should be put on a desert island until another ship passes by in say about 4yrs. Electra1
  • Score: 6

11:53am Sat 15 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

I always thought to independent meant literally that , free to think and justify ones opinions.To be independent is not to be part of of a group following without question. Should be renamed follow the leaders
I always thought to independent meant literally that , free to think and justify ones opinions.To be independent is not to be part of of a group following without question. Should be renamed follow the leaders seaveiw
  • Score: 5

10:32pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Tttoommy says...

Martin Lewis wrote:
I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed.

IPG stood for Independent Political Group.

Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG.

At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East.

He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG.

Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.
strange how despite the WT nowq trying to be a newspaper they still remove comments which make BPJ, adams and the rest of the IPPG look TOO stupid and hypocritical - in other words we are allowed to criticise (a little :(
[quote][p][bold]Martin Lewis[/bold] wrote: I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed. IPG stood for Independent Political Group. Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG. At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East. He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG. Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.[/p][/quote]strange how despite the WT nowq trying to be a newspaper they still remove comments which make BPJ, adams and the rest of the IPPG look TOO stupid and hypocritical - in other words we are allowed to criticise (a little :( Tttoommy
  • Score: 3

8:05am Thu 20 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

Tttoommy wrote:
Martin Lewis wrote:
I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed.

IPG stood for Independent Political Group.

Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG.

At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East.

He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG.

Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.
strange how despite the WT nowq trying to be a newspaper they still remove comments which make BPJ, adams and the rest of the IPPG look TOO stupid and hypocritical - in other words we are allowed to criticise (a little :(
Perhaps they should not monitor the comments and then they would have nothing to worry about.
[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martin Lewis[/bold] wrote: I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed. IPG stood for Independent Political Group. Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG. At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East. He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG. Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.[/p][/quote]strange how despite the WT nowq trying to be a newspaper they still remove comments which make BPJ, adams and the rest of the IPPG look TOO stupid and hypocritical - in other words we are allowed to criticise (a little :([/p][/quote]Perhaps they should not monitor the comments and then they would have nothing to worry about. Electra1
  • Score: 4

10:58am Thu 20 Mar 14

seaveiw says...

Electra1 wrote:
Tttoommy wrote:
Martin Lewis wrote:
I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed.

IPG stood for Independent Political Group.

Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG.

At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East.

He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG.

Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.
strange how despite the WT nowq trying to be a newspaper they still remove comments which make BPJ, adams and the rest of the IPPG look TOO stupid and hypocritical - in other words we are allowed to criticise (a little :(
Perhaps they should not monitor the comments and then they would have nothing to worry about.
Maybe it wasn't the Western Telegraph any one can press remove this comment may be someone else,no prizes for guess who,
[quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martin Lewis[/bold] wrote: I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed. IPG stood for Independent Political Group. Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG. At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East. He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG. Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.[/p][/quote]strange how despite the WT nowq trying to be a newspaper they still remove comments which make BPJ, adams and the rest of the IPPG look TOO stupid and hypocritical - in other words we are allowed to criticise (a little :([/p][/quote]Perhaps they should not monitor the comments and then they would have nothing to worry about.[/p][/quote]Maybe it wasn't the Western Telegraph any one can press remove this comment may be someone else,no prizes for guess who, seaveiw
  • Score: 3

11:01am Thu 20 Mar 14

Electra1 says...

seaveiw wrote:
Electra1 wrote:
Tttoommy wrote:
Martin Lewis wrote:
I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed.

IPG stood for Independent Political Group.

Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG.

At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East.

He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG.

Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.
strange how despite the WT nowq trying to be a newspaper they still remove comments which make BPJ, adams and the rest of the IPPG look TOO stupid and hypocritical - in other words we are allowed to criticise (a little :(
Perhaps they should not monitor the comments and then they would have nothing to worry about.
Maybe it wasn't the Western Telegraph any one can press remove this comment may be someone else,no prizes for guess who,
WHO???
[quote][p][bold]seaveiw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Electra1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Martin Lewis[/bold] wrote: I answered this for you once Seaview, it seems the comment has been removed. IPG stood for Independent Political Group. Simon Hancock vowed that he would NEVER join the IPG. At the last election he was elected unopposed as the Labour councillor for Neyland East. He subsequently left the Labour group and instead of acting as an unaffiliated Independent councillor, he chose to join the IPG, on the condition that they renamed the group Independent PLUS Political Group, hence the IPPG. Upon joining the group, Simon was immediately elevated to the cabinet as member for Adult Services with an accompanying £15,000 Special Responsibility Allowance, which as we all know, he certainly would not have got if he'd remained an unaffiliated independent.[/p][/quote]strange how despite the WT nowq trying to be a newspaper they still remove comments which make BPJ, adams and the rest of the IPPG look TOO stupid and hypocritical - in other words we are allowed to criticise (a little :([/p][/quote]Perhaps they should not monitor the comments and then they would have nothing to worry about.[/p][/quote]Maybe it wasn't the Western Telegraph any one can press remove this comment may be someone else,no prizes for guess who,[/p][/quote]WHO??? Electra1
  • Score: 3

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